http://bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3386

Just curious... car was definitly turbo from the Bimmer guys description... a aftermarket turbo 2.5 RS.

Want to find out what you had in your car?

-Nick

Street racing posts shou......


Uh.. wait.
Hi Nick.

heh.

wasn't me.
I've got a rock solid alabi.

Dude, the 328's aren't that fast. They try to race me all the time on the highway, and i'm always standing with them at the end. Not like I race much, but still...

Same with those stupid Audi A4 1.8T's. I wasn't even racing, and he was, but I still pulled away from him. Ehh, whatever.

hehehe Jim... i almost moved it too... hehehe....

j.
http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif

I learned from past experince..

I goofed with an admin when I was a moderator on another board.. heh. he changed my password and then some.

I don't do that anymore.

Hehe... sorry guys.. it's not really a street racing post... I'm more upset that a Turbo RS let himself get beat by a 328...

*holds his head down in shame for all turbo RS owners*

but I still wanna know who it was...

-Nick

(Just keeping you guys on your toes... hehe)

There is no way that a RS-T got beaten by a 328!! Maybe this guy is just telling a tale, because he really did get his ass kicked and is embarassed by being schooled by a Subie. If he is telling the truth, somebody needs to take some driving lessons... http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif

Well, they weren't lined up together, the RS was behind him at the light, if I recall correctly. The RS would have leaped by at least two car lengths at launch.

yea, remeber he didnt get the killer launch, but if the guy did have a turbo he wasnt running much boost. maybe 3-4psi at the most.

i gotta agree with jj on that one... a turboed rs should have killed the 328...
i took a look at the mod on the 328...nothing special.. not even a chip.
snoop- i thought the guy say that rs with behind him at first then he move over so the rs can move up next to him....? i could be wrong...
but still...RS-t shouldn't have lost to a 328
imho...
michael

RS couldn't make the leap. It would ran into 328's tail if he launched the car.

I bet the bimmer guy is making up the turbo part, because the RS probably had some mods that made the engine loud only SEEMING like it was a turbo, and i'm with the other guy, the Bimmer probably lost and is bragging bmw won when he probably got bitch slapped twice

Well, the guy says he's running to 60 in the high 5's. If so, then it would be a good match for a 5 psi RS turbo.

Don't you just love how they go on and on about "But it's not a BMW" and "You could take him in the twisties". Hmm, since when does having "BMW" on your modified car instead of "Subaru" mean that you'll have better handling. What's wrong with those guys? He said it was obvious the RS had a turbo, so one would assume it had significant suspension modifications too. But they all just assume his much heavier German would beat the Subaru ONLY because it has the letters B-M-W glued onto it.

~97 328is w/ sport package, 5-speed, Arctic Silver, Black Leather
PRM intake, Supersprint exhaust, UUC clutchstop, Euro clears all around, Polarg superwhites in indicators, PIAA superplasmas, other goodies including sound system

Ok, now how fast does that make it? According to www.edmunds.com (http://www.edmunds.com) it has a stock 190hp@5300rpm and 206ft-lbs. of torque@3950rpm. It also says it weighs 3150lbs.

This was not a turbo RS, and the guys responding in that thread are morons.

See and you guys almost wanted to close this thread on me... http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif

-Nick

Well, needless to say there are NO slow bimmers. I had an '89 325i automatic & that thing was fast stock 169hp & 181lb trq out of a 2.5l inline-6cyl. I miss that car SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much!

>>>Well, needless to say there are NO slow bimmers

I guess. What about the 318? And that 325 auto you described isn't that fast. Probably mid 16's 1/4.

Anyone who says a BMW does not handle well has never drive a 3-series with a sports package. I won't even both to describe it, there is just something about the balance of thos cars. Anyway, a 328 should be on par with an RS, maybe a little faster, but not much... an RS-T would rape it. IMHO.

[This message has been edited by jlyttle (edited April 30, 2001).]

No slow bimmers or beamers (however you say it/spell it)? What about the first Z roadster with the 4 banger. 138 horses. A stock RS would rape it.

blindeye: Man, I had an '89 e30 325i auto too. Too bad some retarded lady rear ended me. I miss mine SOOOOOOOOOOO much. Oh well, now I have a nice little (and much cheaper to maintain) 2.5RS http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif

BTW, bimmer's have very good weight distribution (I think nearly 50/50), that is why a lot of people like how they handle.

You won't convince the BMW guys of that. I barely beat a debadged 3-series last month (I think it was 328) in my slightly modified RS and when I posted it, just about everybody said I was either full of crap or it must have been a 323 or 325. And some BMW owner said that it absolutely HAD to have been an automatic 318.

That's a pretty typical response from people who pay that much more for their cars. Same thing from Audi owners. Higher price = faster car in their minds.

i have driven 328's in both automatic and manual transmission configurations, and know for an absolute fact that unless the subaru owner had pulled off a couple of his spark plug wires, the turbo RS would ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT RAPE a close to stock 328. and i know what you guys are talking about with BMW owners, they think that because they paid $35k+ that their car is superior. not true at all.

Settle down folks, Bimmers are nice cars.

I saw a 1970 BMW 2002ti autocrosing this weekend which runs a mere 2.0l 4-cyl and he was the second fastest car at the event. I spoke with the owner for awhile after his third run and I used to run almost the exact same modified motor in my '77 320i as he was running (9.3:1 pistons, and medium level cam). Really nice guy and a super light car. He also was obviously a great driver.

Also in attendance at our local autocross yesterday was a modified 328 with a built 3.0 motor which I am sure even a many RS-T's would have had trouble following on any kind of road.

IMO, I also find the topic of street racing and people's latest 'kills' a little infantile. If you want to prove something to someone, take it to the track.

[This message has been edited by markus (edited April 30, 2001).]

First of all, im new here, but i saw this thread so i thought id check it out. that car is my brothers car, he does go to iu, and he did beat that subaru. plus it did have a turbo, he knows about them, because my car is a turbo... twin turbo. if you have a turbo, im sure you know what i mean when you can tell a difference. his car is pretty fast, and can beat my dads 944 porshea that runs mid 14's in the 1/4, so, i know its no 13 second machine like mine, but 14's arent bad for the little bit of mods he has. " killer boots man!!!"

so the Impreza driver either didn't know how to drive, or didn't wanna risk his/her tranny (if the tranny was not strengthed) (and i'm assuming most of you turbo RS owners wouldn't wanna risk the tranny in some silly street race http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif)

my brother has a '97 328i 5-speed, stock... so i had driven his car a lot... and i also drove a friend's '99 328is auto with sports package... all i can say is that the sports package makes a BIG difference... if i ever wanna buy a bimmer (or have the $$$ for it) i'd definitely get the sports package

and that 328 is pretty fast from the factory... with the same driver, it's sure to hand stock 2.5RS its arse, but not fast enough to smoke a turbo RS with only intake and exhaust

[edit] when i said the sports package makes a big difference, i didn't mean that it'll totally transform the car into some auto-x monster or something... i meant that it's much better than the stock, which is pretty good to begin with, in terms of steering feel and ride comfort

[This message has been edited by cj917 (edited April 30, 2001).]

well, **** you too then, i dont care, the fact is, i can probably beat all you guys here, i run about a 13.7 with a 1.8 60 foot time when im properly tuned( now im not i need my 60,000 miole tune up, but still ran a 14.1), all i have is an intake and downpipe. at the end of the summer, il have a manual boost controller, cat-back exhaust, fuel pump, bov, and a tuneable fuel regulator. this should put me into the 12's easy. cause as i hope you guys know my car has 300 hp stock, these are more than enough to put me over the edge. dorks

your like those ricer guys that think there cars are fast. get a monster turbo and youl know what real power is all about.

hey daniel, i think we should drop it as clearly there's no point to have a discussion with someone who cannot reason nor listen http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/frown.gif (but this'll probably get locked anyway......)

Okay so I don't own an RS or a WRX, I own the bottom of the barrel Subaru. Here's so here's what I gots to say... For Rt Turbo: Either a.) He was beat and you're pissed, b.) If Subaru wanted to charge what BMW charges then they'd probably be charging what 2 times or 3 times their current price, what does this mean, the Subaru would then be 2 times or 3 times better than BMW. I have to say I have ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS loved BMW's, I love the 740il, so now that I have been driving my Impreza and see the new WRX's I find that I'd rather be in an Impreza. I see that all the BMW owners are basically crying over on their board, and the only thing I can say to that, the realization has set in, "OH ****, I spent HOW MUCH and could have spent HOW MUCH LESS", hey so far as I see, a Subaru is MUCH cheaper to maintain! One last thing I've known a couple of BMW owners and this doesn't go for all of them but MOST of them, their ego's are as big as their car's price tags.

Matty

Alrighty, I'm the guy w/ the 328 that raced and BEAT the RS-T. Now, don't get your pannies in a whad, I'm not here to flame, because that's just immature. I'm just here cuz some of your guys posted on my Bimmer board (and they were cool also, which is nice to see). First, for those of you who have been posting nonsense crap, that's just stupid and there's no point. Second, believe me or not, I beat the 2.5 RS, and YES it had a turbo, if you couldn't hear the thing spoolin up and the blow off valve when he shifted, then you're just plain deaf! And no, a 2.5 RS stock COULD NOT beat a E36 328, or stay close. My car stock runs mid 14s (14.6 average), and I know you're cars do not do that. And yes, I run sub 14.5 w/ just an intake and exhaust. THerefore, it is quite possible (and it did happen) that I could beat a RS-T, maybe he was runnin 5 psi or so, I'm sure he'd be hittin mid 14's w/ that, and therefore I'd beat him, but not by much, and that's just what happened.
NOw, I don't know what 328's you guys who are almost stock say you raced and beat or hanged close to, but it was most likely either an auto or a REALLY bad driver, because even the 328i (4 door, the 328is, which I have, is a 2 door) can run 15.0's w/ the 5 speed, and I know your cars stock or mildly modified (intake, exhaust) can't run that.
BRUCELEE--the 328 you raced was an E46, not E36, the E46's are much slower. The 328ci even w/ the 5 speed will only run low 15s, and the auto is high 15s--MUCH slower than the E36's (93-98). SO, if you would have raced an E36, you would not have won, unless you are running mid 14's.
Anyway, flame me if you want to, it doesn't change the fact that I beat the RS-T, and that my car is pretty fast, although I'm not sayin I'm the fastest on the road.
BTW--rt turbo is my brother, and yes, his Stealth will demolish any 2.5 RS, trust me, he would demolish me. It's just about a 13 sec 1/4 mile car bone stock, no 2.5 RS can hang on the same track w/ that, unless you've got major work done. After he gets a boost controller, he'll be in the 12s (he's got Stillen intake and downpipe now, adn he's also gettin Borla cat back), so yes, he'll work any NA 2.5 RS like they're drivin a Ford Fiesta.

Many thanks for the really intelligent responses from rt turbo and Nesta722 http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Gentleman, you've just proven in spades why kill posts are infantile, stupid, and generally unsavoury.

With that being said,....IBTL http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif

NESta722--it doesn't look like it to me that people are whinin on the Bimmer board, so I don't know what you're talkin about. If anything, I've only seen whinin on this board about "a 328 could no way in hell beat a RS-T", tough *****, because one sure can and did. Also, I don't care how much I spent on my car, it's well worth it. Performance if just a small part of it, the luxury and reliability are the main and best parts, and not many cars can top that. My Camaro that I previously owned was a damn beast, and ran LOW 13 sec 1/4's, so it would stomp my Bimmer in straight line performance, but overall, my 328 is a much better car. So, I sure am not "OH ****, I spent HOW MUCH and could have spent HOW MUCH LESS", because I know that I own one of the best manufactured cars in the world, and I'm damn proud of it.
BTW--Even though I own a BMW, I don't go around flaunting it like a dick, yes, I do love it and am very proud of it, but that makes me no better than anyone else in my eyes, I'm just happy to have it. So, yes, there are some cocky BMW owners, but I promise you I am not one of them. But then again, there are cocky owners of every car built, and some of them have posted on this topic, so not only BMW owners can be jerks.
Peace, and if you're going to flame, please let it be something intelligent and sensible, not some stupid crap like I've seen.

Brucelee--nice to see you have some bit of sense in you. I'm not sayin he was runnin 10 psi or something (because I do not know), all I'm sayin is he was turbocharged and I did beat him, plain and simple.
I'm not makin any stupid crap up here, just stating the truth. THe fact is you all like you cars, I like mine, and when something like this happens (one of my cars beating one of yours or visa versa), the loser gets all upset and then starts acting immature and BSing the other people, and that's all just retarded nonsense. We both like our cars for certain reasons and it should be left at that, and we shouldn't have to put the others down because we feel threatened when one of our own loses or whatever, there's just no need for that; it only makes them look immature and ignorant.

"BTW--rt turbo is my brother, and yes, his Stealth will demolish any 2.5 RS, trust me, he would demolish me. It's just about a 13 sec 1/4 mile car bone stock, no 2.5 RS can hang on the same track w/ that, unless you've got major work done. After he gets a boost controller, he'll be in the 12s (he's got Stillen intake and downpipe now, adn he's also gettin Borla cat back), so yes, he'll work any NA 2.5 RS like they're drivin a Ford Fiesta."

*COUGH* byron *COUGH* http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif

(Do a search for Byron if you want to know http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif)

Brucelee--you are sort of making excuses for the RS-T. I really don't care how bad the tranny is or whatever, all I know is it had a damn aftermarket turbo and I still beat the thing, heads up, fair and square. Give me a turbo, and I'll leave the thing in the dust. My car is merely a 2.8L 6 cylinder, that's hardly anything spectacular; but yet, BMW seems to find enough power to make it a fast car in stock form, fast meaning 0-60 in 6.2 and 1/4 in 14.6, for a 5 speed, auto is much slower. My car is not to light either, BMW just makes the sweetest inline sixes. Hell, look at the new M3, that says it all, it's a 6 cylinder that runs 0-60 in under 5 seconds.
Also, the whole STi vs. M5 thing, first off, I don't know what an STi is as I'm not very familiar w/ Subarus at all (and I'm assuming the STi is a Subaru). Secondly, any car can be fast with the right amount of money put into it. THere is a guy on my Bimmer board w/ a 318 ti that runs 10 second 1/4 mile times on STREET tires and it's a totally daily driven car. How could that measily little 4 banger that isn't any faster than a CIvic stock be that fast?????? With MONEY--he has a M3 engine in it with a huge turbo kit and many more goodies. So, my point is, anything can be fast, it just takes money. All I have to do to get my car into the 12's in the 1/4 is go to Active Autowerke in Miami, shell out about 6 grand, and they will hook my car up w/ their sweet turbo system and differential and all, and I'll be a daily, reliable driven BMW that just happens to run 12 second 1/4 times.
ALso, 1.5 car lengths is not that much, when you are going 80 mph, that is nothing. If you are running 14 second 1/4 times, and you beat someone by a full second, you are about 7 car lengths ahead (just on average obviously). SO, if we would have raced a full 1/4, lets say it would have stayed about the same, and I would have beat him by about 1.5 cars or so, then that's about .2 sec, and that could be right. Anyway, I'm use to beating cars by much more than that, so it seemed like it wasn't much at all. (Obviously I'm not stupid and I don't race cars like C5, LS1 Z28's, M5's, and others that would work me).

*COUGH* byron *COUGH*

Kosta--is it just me or did I say any 2.5 RS that is NA or does not have MAJOR work done??????? OH, ya, that's right, I did! YES, his Stealth will SLAUGHTER any 2.5 RS that does not have major work done to it. I beat one w/ a turbo, and he would kill me in my 328, so it would take a lot more than what I raced to beat him! Why do you insist upon ignoring the info. that is there so you can make your stupid comments; I said any 2.5 RS that doesn't have any major work done to it (and Byron or whatever must have major work), and yet you seem to skip over that part so you can make your smart ass remark. Ya, that's pretty cool, oh wait, no that's immature.

Kosta--atleast you could have a future as a lawyer, they seem to like to only pick out the relevant info. that helps their argument, and ignore everything else that opposes it as if it doesn't exist!

Holy mother of God, you can feel the defensive hackles in here rise vertically. Someone suggested that an RS would "rape" a 328i (what I nice thought that is) if it had a turbo on it. I submit that a well-driven 328i would b1tch-f*ck an RS up its @ss if it didn't have a turbo. How does that fit in with the language around here? Strong enough? Not strong enough?

An RS fan will think his high-and-mighty giant killer will beat an expensive, bloated yuppie-scum Nazimobile, while the BMW driver will revel in the fact that his fine German automobile doesn't even need to prove itself against a stupid little Japanese car with a recycled interior and daft add-ons (possibly including a turbo which is, of course, a huge cheat as you're not supposed to compare stock to heavily modified).

It's a good thing the RS driver and the BMW driver don't go drinking together. Or do they?

so why are we comparing apples and bananas??

like yourself said, VOLSBimmer, with the right amount the money cars can be made fast... so does that mean you've indirectly proved that, if i race someone on the street and beat him = i have a faster car, thus i have more money than he does? http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif

if that is the case, good for you

and before you start getting all defensive about Kostamojen's one-word comment, i really suggest you doing a search on byron first, like he suggested... then you'll understand... so settle down, beavis

Holy mother of God, you can feel the defensive hackles in here rise vertically

LOL! That's some funny *****! True though! I've tried not to be too defensive that I look like an ass, but forgive me if I have. All of the other posts from the first page just frustrated me because they have no intelligent content what so ever; like you said, they were all in defense, and then most were just plain crap.

(note to self: guess i'm no longer at post 555......)

[edit] i'm speechless... someone help me please.... http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[This message has been edited by cj917 (edited May 01, 2001).]

well, **** you too then, i dont care, the fact is, i can probably beat all you guys here, i run about a 13.7 with a 1.8 60 foot time when im properly tuned( now im not i need my 60,000 miole tune up, but still ran a 14.1), all i have is an intake and downpipe. at the end of the summer, il have a manual boost controller, cat-back exhaust, fuel pump, bov, and a tuneable fuel regulator. this should put me into the 12's easy. cause as i hope you guys know my car has 300 hp stock, these are more than enough to put me over the edge. dorks


i don't think a lot of impreza owners care how fast your car is in the 1/4 mile....we (or at least i) didn't get an impreza to run the quarter mile....and i have nothing against bimmers as well....i agree they are one of the finest built cars in the world....

anyone figure out who the rs was? how many turbo imprezas can there be running around indiana?

roger

Ummm...not saying that BMW aren't awesome cars because they are and I'm sure all of us respect them. But reading the BMW owners replies here (and on the BMW post) sure sounds like the clubsi board.

BTW - I beat BMW's all the time, and get beaten by BMW's all the time...try autocrossing, safer than moronic IMHO street racing.

The M5 vs. Sti thing was a stock to stock race, and it pissed off BMW because they claim to have the world's fastest sedan. At least I'm pretty sure. There was a great deal of coverage on that a while back. I remember there was also an event that was supposed to be held between BMW's and Subarus and BMW said if they caught anyone there they would cancel their warranties, something like that, don't remember. So it was not an M5 vs. highly modified. Granted, it is an STi, but it is also an M that it was against. Same thing in my book.

[This message has been edited by garface (edited May 01, 2001).]

"But reading the BMW owners replies here (and on the BMW post) sure sounds like the clubsi board."
And your board looks any better? I think not.

"anyone figure out who the rs was? how many turbo imprezas can there be running around indiana?"
I'm wonderin the same thing--is this guy on this board? If so, I really want to see what all he exactly had.
Oh, I actually did see his car this morning on campus parked, but he was nowhere to be found. I did look at it some though, it was completely debadged all around, blue, and it was lowered w/ a huge exhaust. the windows were tinted dark, so I couldn't see much on the inside, BUT, I did see a boost guage and some other guage on the pillar by the driver's side window. So, for sure it's a turbo, don't know anything else though.

VolsBimmer,
http://www.carzone.co.za/html/gervzjap2.html

BWAH! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif

dodge stealths are rediculous. anything that says R/T. Except a Viper. The next neon I see with a factory set of racing stripes gets the gas face. A big flexy, heavy, 80's-looking boat does not give anyone the right to become beligerent and cocky. A Skyline GT-R can be described as a "Turbo Monster" not a freakin Dodge Stealth (nor a 3000GT).

Hey hey... now let's not cast aspersions at my forums... I think that save the few out of control individuals we have had a failrly intelligent conversation both here and on the bimmer board.

VOLSBimmer that's the only reason I posted this thread... I want to know what this unknown impreza has in it... if you say it's debadged it could possibly be an L not an RS with a turbo though. 2.2L compared to 2.5L.

I think it was mentioned before, but there is just such a different array of turbo setups people have thrown on these cars that has quite a good deal to do with it. Kits can range from the cheapie "I took it off an old legacy" to the full blown that a few of us have on our cars from places like Vishnu Performance Stage II complete with TEC-II engine management.

The thing I find the oddest is that my BOV isn't really that loud, even when I was running 10 PSI. He might be running something crazy like the HKS sequential... but we may never know.

Please Indiana folks... try to let us know who this guy is. Blue... debadged... turbo... goes to college in Indiana.

Worst case... VOLSBimmer.. if you could... leave a note on his car with the message board name and maybe we can find out.

I'm just dying to know what's in this guys car...

-Nick

>>>A Skyline GT-R can be described as a "Turbo Monster" not a freakin Dodge Stealth (nor a 3000GT).

I don't know about that now. I've seen a stock 3000GT VR-4 run 0-60 in 4.8 seconds and 1/4 mile in 13.5 seconds. And I was in it when it hit 165 mph on a road no more than 2 miles long.

Those are fast cars. Basically only a turbo upgrade from GT-R speed.

i like the 3000gts too, especially the VR4. I have only one beef with them, actually their beef if you will. If i want a car that weighs 3800lbs ill get an SUV. Beasts nonetheless though, there are tuners that have like conservative 500hp kits for them.
they have like hardcore engines with like 750+ hp. TOtally crazy IMHO.

Hey,

im representing IN..Just got off the phone with Shawn at AFS Motorsports, Indiana's only impreza aftermarket supplier, and neither of us have any knowledge of a Turbo RS in indiana.

We both live in west lafayette, or Purdue University.

So, wish i could help, but a turbo rs in indiana is news to me

I just talked to a few friends from that area a few minutes ago. They've never seen any blue TURBO 2.5RS around...

Shawn

The only car that I think could pass as a turbo RS in Indiana would be Hank's wagon with the STi setup. From a distance (behind obviously), you couldn't tell the difference. If it was Hank, I know he wasn't really trying since he pretty much babies the car all the time. If it wasn't... well who knows. Next time you go to race someone, make sure they're up next to you instead of behind you though. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/rolleyes.gif

VOLSBimmer - I would love to meet you in the twisties and see just how decent the 328is is... I know most of the 3 class has a near 50/50 weight ratio, but with your mod list, I don't think your car has got what it takes. Any car that lifs the FRONT wheel during turns doesn't get my vote of confidence very easily. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif

I don't know what the problem is with the BMW guys. I don't know what they've been smoking but stock 3-series are nowhere near as fast as they're describing them, unless the "BMW" emblem adds 50 hp. Here's some real numbers for ya:

'01 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS Coupe 5-speed
2820 lbs / 165 hp = 17.09 lb/hp

'00 BMW 328Ci 5-speed
3197 lbs / 193 hp = 16.56 lb/hp

'00 BMW 323Ci 5-speed
3153 lbs / 170 hp = 18.55 lb/hp

'95 BMW 325is 5-speed
3087 lbs / 189 hp = 16.33 lb/hp

Anybody who thinks a stock 3-series will run circles around an RS is either a liar or a moron.

jesus h christ. everyone is actign like a bunch of babies.

*puts gun to head of thread and pulls trigger*

I do believe the STi will pull 0-60 in 4.2 seconds(not the new age one). That's in par with the $90,000 Porsches!

bryanW. put the calculator away, it means jack ***** in the real world.

the new WRX has a better power to weight ratio than an S4 does that mean the WRX would leave the s4 in the dust. hell no. the wRX with a good driver would pull of like a 14.4 @ 93mph. and an S4 with a good driver would pull like a 14.1 @ 98mph. there are ssssoooooo many more factors than just peak hp and how much the car weighs.
(o and you forgot about the 328's 206 lb-ft of torque)

fact is that a 328 can run a 15 flat bone stock at around 93mph whether you like it or not (that trap speed is about 7mph faster than a stock RS can pull off! you know hard that thing would pull away from an RS on roll....it wouldnt even be funny) RS could never even dream of pullin a time like that stock. now Volsbimmer says he's runnin about 14.5 with his mods. an RS with 5psi will run about 14.5. he said from a roll he only pulled a car length. the story is very beleiveable. so everyone shut the hell up and stop your cryin. your all acting like the poeple on the VW/bimmer/honda boards that you always criticize so much. its pathetic.



[This message has been edited by SubyRacer (edited May 01, 2001).]

SubyRacer
You're obviously not paying any attention to the fact that the RS when turbo'd maintains about a 1:1 ratio of HP:Torque. And a 5 psi minnam kit should be at about 230hp/230 ft/lbs conservatively.

-Nick

Nick. you dont know what the guy has. all you know it that its got a turbo and blow off valves. it could been somethin the guy whipped up together himself...some small cheap kit without even an intercooler. who knows. and still even with a good setup most people out there with running ~5psi arent getting better times than a 14.5 and thats when they get to do the infamous killer launch. this was on a roll. and match that to the fact that there might of been a conflict of dirver skill here and if Volsbimmer is running a 14.5 in the QM, i think its very possible that he could a pulled a ~car length on some dude out there running ~5psi on some kit, or maybe even less. who knows. anything can happen on the street. with it being so close, people should just let it go. instead trying to make excuses or coming up with claims that even a stock RS could take a 328. and flaming the guy to *****ville and back about it.

[This message has been edited by SubyRacer (edited May 01, 2001).]

to JBK... who said "dodge stealths are rediculous. anything that says R/T. Except a Viper. The next neon I see with a factory set of racing stripes gets the gas face. A big flexy, heavy, 80's-looking boat does not give anyone the right to become beligerent and cocky. A Skyline GT-R can be described as a "Turbo Monster" not a freakin Dodge Stealth (nor a 3000GT). "

your a moron buddy. and how the hell is a stealth a boat??? it is heavy, il give you that, but it is a rather small body. plus, think of the amount of power it takes to rocket a 3800 lb car through the 1/4 in under 13 seconds stock?? plus, im sure il kick any of your asses 0-60, like your cars mine is all wheel drive too, but unlike you i could hit a 1.95 60 ft time when i was stock. ass for auto cross, im sure i can hang with alot of you guys too, my car is all wheel drive, and all wheel steering. they are very good in handling, il put mine up to alot of cars in that. plus, stealth/ 3000 gt vr4 is by the definition of monster turbo.. a monster turbo, the newer years with 320 hp hang if not beat some skylines. food for thought.

rt turbo: You orignally said that you could do a 1.8 0-60 ft, now you're saying 1.95? Which is it dude? I know it's a huge difference, it just sounds like you're talking trash... Just a question man, don't go all balistic http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif

SubyRacer,
You are correct I don't know what the Impreza owner has in his car, which is why I am trying to find out what he does actually have instead of just speculating like some people.

I have only stated facts in anything I have posted. Things that I know as certainties because of my experiences with my car.

The only thing I think is a fact in this race is that driver skill certainly was a major factor.

-Nick

R/T.. first off, please don't sling names.. i may like to have intense discussions about cars.. i like 'em, but I'm not a "moron". Second, i don't believe that when the 320 hp VR-4's came into existence, the stealth had already been retired. The last generation VR-4 were brutes, I'm not contesting that, but sports cars they were not, just too darn heavy and not a good enough frame. But we can't consider those.. that's like saying "well I had a '91 toyota supra, that thing was fast.. just look at the '97 with 320 hp and twin turbos" for all intents and purposes, they are not even close to being the same car. See also: early model RX-7's vs. Late model, and early model 300z vs. Late model. if you wanna be a drag racer, then go that route, but there are plenty of American Musclers that are gonna whomp on you. The WRX and RS aren't drag racers, they're extremely fun to drive, extremely capable little cars.. period.

ummm, last I checked...Stealth's and 3000GT's are freaking HUGE! how can you say it's a small car? it's the size of a freakin mid-sized family sedan for crying out loud.

by the way, i said my STOCK 60 ft time was 1.95, im not stock now, second, i said these cars can keep up with yours on the autocross, and third, my car is smaller than a camaro, and alot wider than any of your cars, wider is better. i just like my style car, you dont have to, most people do though. and i just dont like subaro, they all look the same. and they are not fast from the factory. plus, ive taken enough unneeded weight off my car, i bet im about 3500 lbs, but that is still heavy, but it also helps to hold the road, and this is a sports car, insurance for example has it in the same class as a vette, is that not one???, and i would consider your alls cars a luxury sedan way before a stealth. another thing, what were you talking about the stealths were retired before the vr4's??? are you nuts, they are the same car, and had the same specs when they both left the market. 1st gen. 300 hp ( double yours) second gen. 320, and the specs were different becuase thjey turned up the boost from 9 psi, to 11. everything else the same, but the older years were a little liter. learn more about these cars before you bash them.

[This message has been edited by rt turbo (edited May 01, 2001).]

ummm subaru's not fast from factory? ohhh, riiight, the WRX would get it's ass handed to it by your car stock, eh? http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/rolleyes.gif

you are the narrowminded person, whom also happens to be clueless.

you must be religious...seeing as how you seem to have no problem sharing your views, but you won't listen to anyone elses...

RT Turbo:
You really need to do just a little more research on Subarus before you post anymore, please... nobody really said your car wasn't fast, but you telling us our cars aren't when you obviously know nothing about them. Since when isn't 227hp from factory fast? Oh and that's without having to sell any vital organs for a new car.

You go get some info about Subaru's and what the real deal is, then you please do come back and post all you want, but stop just sputtering things out without any facts to back it. It's annoying to me, as well as insulting to the rest of my members.

And you are also assuming all of us own RSs, not the case skippy, we do have a pretty good percentage of brand new WRX owners here on the board.

Homework -> talk trash... not the other way around! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif

-Nick

Wow, this post is taking quite the little trip.

hmmmm... "extra weight helps hold the road better".. looks like we got a real race engineer/pit veteran here. And I suppose that mopar stickers make horsepower, nascar is the only real racing, and by the way, no the corvette is not a sports car... I love 'em, but they are THE classic american muscle car.

like you guys were starting this page talking crap, then you turned to me, fine, il stop talking trash, i dont give a *****. i was remarking from what they said about my car, and 227 hp isnt bad, but its not like mine, thats all i was saying. one of your members said mine was an ugly 80's box, and its no where near. nuff said.

corvette not a sports car??? are you serious? and who said i get anything from mopar??? mopar sucks. i go to stillen for my after market needs, and extra weight is good as long as you have the power to back it up. and the grip. hince awd & aws

[This message has been edited by rt turbo (edited May 01, 2001).]

Well i must get involved now. For the BMW guy, i love BMW, everything they make is top notch, and with 190hp stock a 5 speed 328 is capable of 15.1 in the quarter. Properly tuned 14.5 is not to far from the truth. The new 330 will run a 14.6 at 95 according to the new Motortrend where they test the tls and saab and 2.8tt audi. But for your modle year 328 to run that fast you would definately need the tuning module exhaust, and induction. Now for the subaru guys. I dont think this guy could have beat my car but from a rolling start who knows. And forget about power to weight ratios, they dont matter what-so-ever. The reason bmw's are so dang fast is because they have great gearing and one of the smoothest, sweetest revving inline six engines ever made. Having said that i would expect a turboed 2.5 to take it, however driver error is always a factor. For the Stealth r/t guy, dont be getting all high and mighty about your car. I have a 93 z28 that will lay the smack down on you and still come well in under the price of your car with all of my mods. And no i dont have a blower or NOS. I do like your car though, it has always been a fav of mine. But i think we should all just forget about this and move off to our own little bords now because this got way out of hand

more weight = higher rate of inertia = worse handling. duh.

do you know nothing about physics?

oh, and if weight = better handing, why are GT and prototype cars wieghing in under 1900 lbs?

and does that mean a cadillac would outhandle a dune buggy? please, enlighten me, moron.

the guy named "me" seems to be the only reasonable one on here, who actually knows what hes talking about. and i happen to love camaros too, my brother had one that was fast as hell. i can prolly only beat a ls1 6 speed by a car, not much, so if yours is modded i bet you could. a week ago i did beat a SS though. they are nice.

hey dumb ass, you ever heard of down force??? gt cars have so much downforce it ends up being way more than my car. and a caddy cant handle good because their suspention sucks horse ****. and their frame is horrible. if i jack up one corner of my car, 3 wheels get off the ground and nothing bends like other cars would.

Edited for Content Nick

[This message has been edited by Nick (edited May 01, 2001).]

hahah this is all funny. The race would of been won if it was my mates 320+hp WRX STI II wagon.

Now common guys we all now the bmws are good cars and they will win alot of races.

But someone is not taking in that the price range is totaly diffrent. A WRX or a RS is a really good priced car for its performance.

The bmws i think are to exspensive for what it can do (a little bit more) than a wrx
193 hp for a $60,000+ car (well over here that is) is a bit much for me.

Remember a BMW is a totaly diffrent class of car.

P.s the driver of that RS probably was protecting his tranny. or was running totaly low boost. If he had a stage 2 turbo kit he would of smoked that BMW by miles

Peace guys

oh good lord. High weight = better handling? http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/lol.gifhttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/lol.gif

PLEASE

Ok, downforce may make the car seem heavy to scales placed under it, but it's a hell of alot different than flat out weight. Downforce doesn't effect the inertia of a vehicle.

WEIGHT/MASS affects the inertia of the vehicle. It's harder for a vehicle to turn 3500lbs quickly than it would be for it to turn 2825lbs.

I can GUARENTEE you that if I toss in a ton of weights in my car, my skidpad number will go down compared to if I was stock.

Hell, judging by what you said, a 300lb man should be more nimble than a 200lb man. Damn, if that's true, then I don't know why all the big guys play D-Line or O-Line in the NFL, they should bump them up to runningback.

http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/rolleyes.gif

oh yea, one last thing. I've had people think my car is turbocharged because of the "woooosh" that the N1 makes under throttle.

Nick,
You birthed this multi-headed thing. Please oh please put it out of it's misery and lock it!
All those in favour say, "Aye!"

MM

Think of the Lotus, very light, and has killer handling.

Hey r/t if u beat a comaro ss assuming it was an ls1 then your running way faster than u say. The comaro is the faster bang for the buck car u can buy. Seriously low 13's like 13.2 in the quarter at 107 or so. I run about that depending on conditions and i have an automatic. About the handeling of the car, yes its fairly good for a 3800lb car. Better than my camaro for sure. I think the consensus in the motor world 300gtvr4 is around .86-.87 on the 200ft latteral g test, ot posative about the r/t but i would assume simular numbers. This is about what a stock wrx gets witht the crap tires subaru gave us as standard. .9 would be possible with 215 or 225 17 inch rubber.

point proven. retracted statement.

[This message has been edited by JGard18 (edited May 01, 2001).]

no no no man, it was an lt1, im sure a ls1 would eat me alive, after i get a few more things i can beat one, but certainly not now.

my bad, sorry, im in a frat, all we do is cuss.

[This message has been edited by rt turbo (edited May 01, 2001).]

Hahaha

would i expect anything less from a newburgh resident? http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif

lol, who is that?? is it possible for anyone to know where newburgh is??/

Yes, my family lives in Evansville. Are you attending USI or something?

-matt

RT.. you better not pull crap like that again.

watch yourself.

no, im at western kentucky university, i hate kentrucky, but this school is coo.

pull what??? getting around the cuss check? il change it if it bothers you that much

Yeah..
If the flaming would stop..
that'd be great.

I've got better things to do than watch you people bicker.

it's beautiful out.. I've got a motorcycle..
you're stalling me from being happy..

don't do it again.

Hello Daniel..

Thanks for cleaning it up RT and Jgard..

LOLhttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif
Bruce has arrived, fresh from OT. Give him a hand folks!

Maybe I don't want to see this locked anymore. Bruce, bust out that Kung Fu grip Man!

"with 190hp stock a 5 speed 328 is capable of 15.1 in the quarter. Properly tuned 14.5 is not to far from the truth. The new 330 will run a 14.6 at 95 according to the new Motortrend where they test the tls and saab and 2.8tt audi."

Actually, w/ 190hp stock and a 5 speed, my 328 does a 14.7 1/4--I've got a 328is, not a 328i; check out car-stats.com. A 328is is a 2 door, and a 328i is a 4 door. Mine's obvisouly faster because it's lighter.

SWIVEL1000--I'm also from Evansville, and so is my brother (rt turbo). We cruise green river road sometimes when we're bored, maybe we'll meet up sometime this summer. We've also got a younger brother who has a 95 Probe GT w/ a 5 speed that he just installed (it was auto stock) and he put a Clutchmasters performance clutch in too because he has nitrous (NOS kit for a Mustang that he manipulated to work on his w/ 55 hp jets). He's also got the intake, exhaust, lowered, 17" rims, sweet sound system etc. He's puttin a body kit on it soon, which should be awesome. Anyway, as you might be able to tell, me and my brothers are car freaks, we all constantly talk about cars, and we've turned all of our friends into car nuts also. I use to have a 93 Z28 that was big time bad ass, I had a cowl hood on it, big spoiler, slammed w/ adj. shocks and springs, and it ran low 13 sec 1/4 mile times. It was a damn beast, actually the people who bought it (I traded it in at DPatrick BMW there on green when I got my 328is last summer) still cruise green in it, I saw it this easter when I was home. Hey, you know David Slater or Jeremy Mowery up there at Purdue? They're 2 of my good buds from high school (Castle). Anyway, maybe we'll see you this summer!

To Everyone--my brother (rt turbo) isn't tryin to flame or anything, I think he's just upset about the remarks that have been said about his car (and I would be also and you know you would be too). When he was sayin he'd smoke any Subaru stock, I don't think he was considering the WRX since it hasnt even been an option here in the US until now. I believe he means the 2.5 RS which it seems most of you have; and not to flame, but yes, he would tear most of you a new A**hole easily. That car is a damn beast, I can attest to that and so can all of the cars that he's slaughtered on the street (that includes 6 Mustang Cobras, yes 6 of them and an LS1 TA and a SS among many others--I was in the car when he raced the TA and SS, they were sort of close, but he still won, that also included twin turbo 300ZX's and RX7's) He rips a 1.8 60 ft time w/ just Stillen intake and downpipe, and he is in bad need of a tuneup, so after that, he'll be faster. That on the street will whup most anybody, because I'm sure as you know, the street is different. Anyway, at Beach Bend Raceway down in Bowling Green, KY (he goes to Western Kentucky U.) he's beaten cars like a supercharged Z28 (LT1) off the line, and the Z28 only passed after the 1/8 mark, and many other faster cars. That AWD is mad when used right, especially w/ his since it's so fast stock. When he gets a mesely little boost controller and cat back exhaust, he'll be verging on/ or into the 12s.
Anyways, neither one of us mean any harm, we just don't like our cars being talked about like they are crap (I know that only includes some of you, a lot of you have been cool which is great), and I know none of you would like that either. Hell, who would I guess. So, peace to you all

Ignorant people ranting gives me a headache. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/blackeye.gif

Damn I can't believe this is on the 5th page!! GEEZ!! Is that a record or anything?

actually, im racing a wrx in a day or 2, one of my frat bros freinds has a brand new one. its nice, but hes mine. grrrr... he he lol, il keep you updated.

By the way guys, lighter does equal better handling, but it's also true that heavier can equal better grip.

By the way, if you're running 12's, or even 13's, you will absolutely smoke a stock WRX, and that guy is an idiot for even racing you. He should be working on breaking in his car and thinking about future mods, not wasting his time doing something like that.

I posted to this thread, and it wasn't even a flame, and it's gone now http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/frown.gif...I thought I made a fairly intelligent observation, too...Pah, darn BBS poofing my posts into oblivion!

Damian, you are wise my friend.

Wow, all these Indiana folks speak up =)

Maybe we should band together for a lil gettogether in the southern half of Indiana. Its got nice hills and twistier roads than the flat as hell top half http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif


Ed

R/T with all due respect please do not generalize about fraternity guys. That really pisses me off. Were not all animal house cuss-aholics. Dont think u should have stated that is all

From http://carpoint.msn.com/Vip/Job/Subaru/Impreza/2002.asp lololololol...WRX review ;-) funny schtuff


I enjoyed zipping off from stoplights and leaving BMWs in my wake. You could almost hear the other drivers thinking, "I paid how much for this car and just got beat by a Subaru?"

"Edited for Content Nick"

Who is Content Nick? And why is he so contenthttp://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/lol.gif

me, actually i was joking, i was being sarcastic. im a phi delt, we are one of the most civilized fraternities out there, or at my school at least. and i believe fermly in the quote, " would you call your country a c*nt ?? no, then dont call a fraternity a frat." and i really dont drink much, and ussually when i do i drink slow and ENJOY it. im a conosure. lol, but i dont party much, when i do its bad ass though. And im not a raging "cussaholic" despite popular belief.



[This message has been edited by rt turbo (edited May 01, 2001).]

I'd like to see VolsBimmer brag about how his car handles in rain and snow conditions.

"Oops, my $40,000 Ego Car suddenly isn't hanging with that piece of ***** Subaru!"


His attitude is what allows me to totally detest most BMW owners.


Skylab™

*..and that's the bottom line*

actually the traction control works quite well. not as good as mine or yours, but then again its rear wheel drive.


"*..and that's the bottom line* " ummm, let me guess... cause stone cold said so??? lol, RIIIIIIGHT. tool.



[This message has been edited by rt turbo (edited May 01, 2001).]

I dunno about all BMW's, but I watched an M3 try to drive on 2 inches of snow. It took him literally 40 minutes to go about 200 feet. The guy finally gave up and left the car in front of a building. He was going almost completely sideways the whole time with his wheels in opposite lock. I felt really sorry for the guy. He got in a serious fight with his wife. They started yelling at eachother and he got out and left slamming the door. She stayed in the car for quite a while after that. I would be mad to if either A) the moron took out the M3 in the snow or B) he bought an M3 as their only car living in this area of the country.

Well, this should be one of my only posts here. I am a driver of one of the world's finest cars; a BMW. However, I dont feel that this allows me to be haugty or act like an a** just cause i have what I feel to be a better car. And no I dont pretend its fast, it is only a 1.8 liter. However it does outpreform almost all cars with similar engines. I have yet to have my car let me down. Overall I am dissiapointed at the quality of the replies, foolish, infintile lines like ""Oops, my $40,000 Ego Car suddenly isn't hanging with that piece of ***** Subaru!"". I did not pay 40 thousand for my car, I would shell out 50 grand for a new ///M3 however, if i had the cash. I paid about 14 thousand for my 1994 318is, and i feel it to be well worth it. Now I can guess the first response from many people on this board (and all have their share. .) "I could half that and get a car that goes 10 times as fast" Well, I did have the option of getting a 95/96 camero Z28, but i still choose the bimmer. I'm happy I did. I do thank those that provided useable content- too few of you. I would find it hard to trade my "ego-mobile" for almost any other car. I could only wish my ego was as big as some of you think it should be due to the fact I drive a BMW. If anything its almost the opposite- I have no reason to have an ego, so I dont. If any of you line in the Sacramento, CA area drop me a line- I wouldnt mind meeting up whit some auto enthuasts mpbmw318is@hotmail.com, please, if you want to flame, do it on this board, not in my email. Thanks. Just my two cents.

I'd like to see VolsBimmer brag about how his car handles in rain and snow conditions.
"Oops, my $40,000 Ego Car suddenly isn't hanging with that piece of ***** Subaru!"


His attitude is what allows me to totally detest most BMW owners.


Skylab™

*..and that's the bottom line*

RIGHTTTTTTTTTTT...you obviously haven't been reading my post moron, I have no ego whatsoever, actually, if you'll check one of my previous posts I state that just because I own a BMW I don't think I'm any better than anyone else, and thats the truth, I just myself love my car like you love yours, thats it plain and simple. So take your moronic comments that hold no basis of truth back to high school tomorrow w/ you and keep them there, you immature *****.
mpbmw318is--glad to see you came over from the Bimmer board to post, thanks bro.

Oh, and as for the snow comment (as F*ckin stupid as it was), my car didn't do to bad this winter here at IU, and yes we had plenty snow. I, however, did NOT buy my BMW for drivin in the snow, if you do that, then you are a frigin dumba** w/ no chance for recovery. Oh, unless you buy a Bimmer w/ all wheel drive, they do make those you know. Even though I knew my BMW wouldn't be a snow drivin machine (quite frankly I dont give a F*CK!), I wasn't about to let that stop me from buyin it, because I didn't plan on taking it out in the snow anyways w/ the *****ty salt and all on the roads, I like my paint job being perfect and don't care to have it ruined by an act of stupidity. Anyways, my BMW sure would be better than my last car in snow (LT1 Z28 runnin low 13s), but still that's not why I purchased my Bimmer!

Funny how the Bimmer guys who took the time to regiseter here, speak out to state they have neither an ego nor nothing to prove... (shrugs) That too, with profanity...

Quite humorous if you ask me! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif

- Steve

if you had no ego you wouldnt be defending yourself so much. and calling people "morons" is a real confidence booster, isnt it?
on another note, how can you say you beat the RS-T when you already had him beat before the race even started by being in front of him? as someone said in another post, "thats like bragging about beating a mail truck" lol
btw, i think BMW makes great cars.

skylabs comment was stupid, pointless, had nothing to do with the topic at hand...and any bmw owner has the right to rebuke that comment.

[This message has been edited by SubyRacer (edited May 01, 2001).]

Man, all you guys do is bitch and moan about Subaru's and Bimmer's. What about Mazdas? I mean c'mon, my 1984 Mazda 626 LX could beat any one of your sissy cars in a smoke show, and that's just by starting it up and letting it burn half the oil in the oil pan before kicking it down because the automatic choke isn't so automatic anymore!@!!!

Actually my real car is my '56 Buick, first North American car to do 0-60 in under 10 seconds. Strap 4000 lbs to your cars and lets see em do that!! My racing project to smoke all you Subaru totin' sissies is going to be a '91 M3, 2.5 litres of all wheel drive sissy car pastin fun! After a basic stroke of the rods and massage of the head I will run 0-60 in under 5 seconds. Tack on a bigger throttle body, new computer and a super charger and I'll be running 11's in the quarter. Let's see you get your RS to that point for under 25 large canadian!

In the end though, it's all about what you enjoy, and I enjoy nothin more than pimpin my ho's in my slammed '56 Buick!

Chromage.....

chromedragon: what was the point of your post exactly. that when you buy a 91 M3 and when you modd the hell out of it, youll be able to smoke all us impreza owners? cuz youll be doin 0 to 60 in under 5 seconds?
and why are subaru's pussie's?
i could say the same thing. im planning on buying a Ej25 and dumping it into my 2450 lb 1995 impreza L coupe in the not too distant future. im planning on runnig about 15psi on it with a TEC-II. ill be puttin about 300lb-ft of torque at the wheels. and ill be able to smoke you and all you rwd bmw pussies. boy do my balls feel bigger now. when i get new internals, a closed deck, new heads, new cams, new valves, new springs, new rods, new 8.0:1 compression ratio pisons, etc im gonna bump boost up too 25psi and ill have around 500 lb-ft of torque in a ~2600 lb car. and then ill be able to spank you when you get your supercharger. and my daddy can beat up your daddy.

o and stop with the "when i's", if you dont have it yet, ya dont have it at all. i could "when i" all day long...screw bimmer's man id be smoking Lamborghini's and McLaren F1's all day long.

if i misinterpreted your post i apologize.



[This message has been edited by SubyRacer (edited May 02, 2001).]

umm.. R/T, about that auto-x remark. I present this:

3000GT: TIMES: 84.521 + 2 67.755 64.945

Me, a 2000 2.5RS Sedan with a 22MM rear swaybar, muffler, and stock tires.
TIMES: 57.975 55.024 54.893 + 1

Event 2) He got much better this event, and managed to post a better time:
54.971 50.880 45.940

I was still on the same setup, still good enough for first in my class:
47.130 47.190 46.539

His car is the aforementioned 320hp variant.

Of course driver plays a big role in auto-x, so for you to say "I have AWD, I'll beat any RS in an auto-x" is just as "moron[ic]" as you saying you can beat any Impreza here. You ever read SCC? You know the project Impreza? Yea, that's Shiv's car, he happens to be a member, and his car is one of the "slower" RS-Ts.

Sunday, I saw a Honda Insight get better lap times at a Auto-cross than a Brand New M3...

Perhaps the Driver is the singular reason here, no? Or perhaps, it just didnt have a turbo? Or perhaps, it had a really crappy turbo?
In any case, the numbers didnt add up, and thats why folks here were pissed http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif Individual situations are Individual situations, Period. Nuff said.

Anyway... Im from Roseville (near sac) and I see sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo many Beemers around its not even funny http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/tongue.gif

Isn't the 3000GT about the same size as a Diamante? That thing is huge, doesn't an M5 range around that same weight?

Who said a 3000GT is small? That's crazy!

EDIT - I haet typos!

[This message has been edited by Snoopy (edited May 01, 2001).]

Its small on the inside!

the 3000GT/Stealth is a fast car... but a quick search on the internet for official stock 1/4-mile numbers reveal that there's some big enough variation between model years

anyhow, the fact is that:
- the 328is was ahead of the turbo Impreza (could be a WRX, or a turbo RS with 3 psi, or one with 7psi... who knows) when the race began, and you were ahead of him when the race ended
- unless the owner of that particular turbo impreza comes forward, we don't know what he/she has

but some other facts i know:
- buying a brand new RS (not even WRX) and put a nice streetable turbo kit on and properly tune it, it would still cost less than a brand new 328, and goes faster
- bimmers are very NICE... i only wish i have the $$$ for one of those
- (one last time) and please stop comparing apples and bananas, cuz i sure won't be proud if i own a McLaren F1 road car and go around saying i kicked some Skyline GT-R's arse

and go out and enjoy the days, as the weather's finally getting nice! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif

Not saying anybody is totally wrong, but I go to IU and I've seen most of the RS's up here. One I know of is blue and has an Apexi exhaust and intake, but I'm pretty sure there aren't any guys here on the board. I've got his attention before, but haven't got a chance to actually look at the car, it's tint is pretty dark. If I ever get a hold of him I'll be sure to bring him on the board.
Pete

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Well...you gotta realize that these BMW owners have as much knowledge about Subaru as most Americans do : that Subaru is a grocery car.

But to the rest of the world, Subaru is very much on par with BMW and Porsche. In fact, BMW's M5 was toasted and roasted by the STi by four car lengths at the one mile race conducted by the journalists in South Africa. So much for the "Fastest Saloon in the World" claim. But if I ~could~ own an M5....I wouldn't even consider it - coz I'd get an Audi S4. Far superior! http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif

The VR4 Galant is different animal(3000GT is slower even though it's got the same engine). Race tuned, it will roast most cars on the road except race tuned TT Supra/RX7 and the non-street legal dragsters. The quickest Impreza in the world is down under, clocked a 1/4 mile only in the low 10's. Having 6 cylinders helps. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/smile.gif

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id get an M5 in heartbeat over an S4. M5 would tear an S4 a new one on a road course, even if the S4 was chipped.....and the M5 would tear up a CHIPPED S4 in a straight line (you put a decent driver in an M5 and you can click off a ~13.1 in the quarter). and the M5 is just gorgous...and i have a thing for bimmer's.

o and Rigoli's is the fastest STREET car impreza in the world http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/wink.gif. drivin every day to pick up his grocery's and take him where ever he needs....and didnt he break into the 9's?

>>>RIGHTTTTTTTTTTT...you obviously haven't been reading my post moron, I have no ego whatsoever

Dude, this is exactly why some are complaining about your ego. You come off as extremely condescending and claim that you have the best car in the world, then in the next paragraph, you claim that you don't have an oversized ego.

Lay off the name-calling and the "BMW's are the best cars in the world" lines and maybe people won't think you have an ego problem.

>>>because I didn't plan on taking it out in the snow anyways w/ the *****ty salt and all on the roads

How do you get away with that? Do you have a second car?

>>>Actually my real car is my '56 Buick, first North American car to do 0-60 in under 10 seconds

Wrong. The late 40's police edition Fords with the new V8's were getting to 60 in under 9 seconds and had a top speed of over 100 mph.

The first or second gen Chrysler 300's with the huge hemis were getting to 60 in around 8 seconds flat with a top speed of over 140 mph.

The first T-birds were also getting to 60 in under 10 seconds.

>>>But if I ~could~ own an M5....I wouldn't even consider it - coz I'd get an Audi S4. Far superior!

You're kidding right? The M5 completely outclasses the S4. They're not even close.

Can't helpt it. I'm addicted to AWD. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif

oh man that's funny. You call others immature, and bost about you're lack of "ego" then you reply to people who question your claims with posts laced with profanity and insults. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/lol.gif

Pot:Kettle

zzyzx hit it right on the head.

Oh, and mpbmw318is, how can you take the time to register, claim you have "one of the world's finest cars," and in the same thread talk about not being "hauhty or act[ing] like an @$$"??? If that's the case, why did you even BOTHER to register, and post about you're cars "greatness"? I'll register on other BBs to defend my car from time to time, but this is only if information is being misrepresented, and/or the car is being bad mouthed i.e. "The RS does 0-60 in 8.8 sec so my Civic DX will rape it." However, the only other BBs I post on are the ClubSi BB, the ZX2 BB, and H-A.net (that was to help someone with a decision).

Oh, and there are people who buy vehicles with Snow in mind. Ever live in Alaska? How about Canada? Yea, it snows there quite a bit.

I'm still finding it hard to believe VOLSBimmer's story because of the way he posted it. I remember talking with someone, and they pointed out one of the many ways of spotting a liar. Liars will give more detail than necessary (i.e. VOLS's ranting about how loud the turbo and BOV were many many times). People telling the truth only give the info necessary to draw a clear picture (i.e. "I raced a Subaru of some sorts, it sounded like it was turbocharged, but I didn't stop to talk to the guy to see what he had, so who knows. Anyway...") I do know I wasn't there, and the RS hasn't spoken up yet, so it still remains in question.

It is true tho, an RS-T will absolutly rape a 328is.

"The VR4 Galant is different animal(3000GT is slower even though it's got the same engine). Race tuned, it will roast most cars on the road except race tuned TT Supra/RX7 and the non-street legal dragsters. The quickest Impreza in the world is down under, clocked a 1/4 mile only in the low 10's. Having 6 cylinders helps. "


This is not even close to the truth. Just so people know: The Galant VR-4 has the same motor and drivetrain as a 1G Eclipe/Laser, Talon. It's a 2.0L inline 4 w/a Mitsu 14B, it's called the 4G63.
The Stealth R/T and 3000 GT VR-4 have a 3.0L V6 twin turbo.
And just so you cant brag too bad about a 10 second Impreza. The fastest Eclipse runs about a 9.5 on a modified 4G63, so it's still a 4 cylinder.


I love my Impreza, I loved my Galant VR-4. This thread should be closed.

"Thanks for comin' out."

No disrespect to Jewbaru, but I don't think the VOLS was lying. I'm leaning towards the fact that it wasn't a 2.5. Keep in mind that he's made it obvious that he doesn't know a lot about Subarus, so he may have had the model or trim wrong. Assuming it was an Impreza, there's a good chance it was a mildlly turbocharged 2.2. At low boost, it could have only been putting out 180 hp or so. His modified 328 probably would beat it by a little bit then.

Or it may not have been an Impreza. It could have been a Legacy (I've met someone who saw a Legacy GT and thought it was an Impreza). We all know that Legacies have weight problems and even it was turbocharged and putting out 200+ hp, the BMW would still be faster. If it was a Legacy with a 2.2 and a turbo, then his story makes perfect sense.

VOLS, are you absolutely certain that the car you raced was an Impreza? And are you certain if it was an Impreza, that it was a 2.5 RS and not an L or LS or any previous model?

Also as previously stated, if you're not familiar with the Subaru boxer engine sound plus an aftermarket exhaust, it could very much make you think it was turbocharged when it wasn't. I can make mine sound a lot like a BOV, especially when pushed hard.

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No, this thread should not be closed!! STOP ASKING FOR THREADS TO BE CLOSED!!!!

true bryan, I'm not up and saying he's lying, I just find his manner of posting a bit odd.

And he did say it had a big muffler tip. Sounds like one of the N1 look alikes. If that so, those things sound like turbochargers. I've had many people say they can hear my turbo when I'm autocrossing, and my car is NA.

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y2K4door,

I don't know about that, man. N/A is in Japan and he's seen those Galants kickin' the crap out of tuned Subarus and Toyotas(except the Supra http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smilies/biggrin.gif , whew, almost aforgot about that one). I did mention "race tuned" didn't I? Ah...yes, I did.

Unless the Japanese-spec Galant was different, the VR4 sold in the U.S. had a 195 turbo 2.0 I4, the same one (detuned slightly ) as in the Eclipse/Laser/Talon. Identical drivetrains. The U.S. version has about the same performance numbers as a 2.5 RS

Sorry guys, sending this one to lockup... nobody wants to answer the question... and the VOLSBimmer dosen't seem to want to try to get taht guy on the site so we can hear his side of the story... and it's slowly going downhill... so that's it...

call it... thread pronounced dead at 12:40 pm EST.

-Nick