Well, I reinstalled the oil pan for the second time now and it still smokes a little. I might be catching up to someone that has done it 4 times. ;)

Anyways, I took it for a spin and it spiked to 8.7 psi on a 5lb spring! :eek: But the weird thing is that my EGT were around 700deg celcius. I'm still confused about this reading since I'm running factory 2.2L NA injectors with only HKS AFR set around 40-50% from 3k rpm.

Despite boosting somewhat on the high side, the car just feels slow. I know the turbo is spinning because of the boost so I'm wondering what else can be wrong? It feels about the same as a stock 2.5rs.

Also, has anyone experienced a slower reacting/moving speedometer gauge when you step on the gas? My speedometer seems to be moving slowly since I "feel" like I'm going faster.

Edit: Could also just be a mind game since I was use to driving my 13.5s WRX wagon but I haven't driven it for awhile so...

Stock 2.2 NA injectors? Thats a Legacy turbo block, isn't it?

Are you running the Stock ECU? I noticed a big difference in power when I dropped in a Link Plus. I probably gained a good 30 Hp with just adding that in instead of using a AFC and ITC.

What car and setup do you have?

My setup is:

'98 Outback sport 2.2L motor
Garret T3 turbo
HKS AFR
Running on '93 1.8L ecu
Stock injectors

I have these but are not installed yet:
Legacy turbo injectors
Apex-I ITC
WRX fuel pump

Maybe an injector is sticking wide open. That causes the low EGTs and the poor burning of fuel can bog the engine down so it feels slower. Just a thought.

Sounds like you're running hella lean. Stock injectors aren't worth much more then 1-2psi tops.

on another note: Get a 2.5 or 3" exhaust... the stock one cannot flow enough for that turbo!
one quick way to tell if you are rich or lean, is to clean your exhasut tips until they are nice and shiny... then go out and do a few hard runs, stop, and see if there is carbon build up where you just cleaned. btw, after you clean them make sure they are dry...


just noticed.. a EJ22 running on a 1.8 ECU??? thats almost like doing a EJ20>EJ25 swap without getting a new ECU... the AFR may not be able to handle that leap.... also, what wastegate are you using? I have an HKS with a 5psi spring, never spike... and 700*C, what %throttle, what RPM, what speed??? 700*C is fine is its on the highway, but for city driving, 700 seems way to high... Keep in mind tho, running way too rich can also make your EGT's run high...

Okay I am also running a 2.2 and even with the AFR. My experiane is that 700 C is normal if the RPMs are around 3 grand or so when cruising. On the highway I stay right around 800-820 C. I ran 2.2 injectors for a week or so before going to 2.5, at 5psi but with a walboro fuel pump and vortech FPR 4:1 I was fine with a correction somewhere around 25% I believe it was. It's hard to say how your 1.8 ecu would effect such values. Are you running and upgraded pump? What's your fuel pressure? If your car is poorly tuned I wouldn't be suprised if it's putting out similar power to that of a 2.5rs. At 5psi I figure a well tuned 2.2 is somewhere around 200 hp though I could be off. But a poorly tuned one could easy suffer a signifigantly lower number. I am running 5psi still and have no problems running with WRXs. My only downfall when running with them is my extra shifting due to gearing and lower rpms.
Joshua

I don't have an RRFPR so it is possible that the AFR correction isn't enough to compensate electronically so I will throw the Legacy injectors and WRX fuel pump on and see what happens.

I am now concerned about the opposite WAY to much fuel. I don't think the 1.8 ecu with the AFR will be able to compinsate for the 360cc injectors of the legacy turbo. This Link (http://www.uniquemotorsports.com/tech_articles/injector_upgrade.htm) may help you out it's WAC/Waynes experiances. You might even want to PM him for further insight.
Joshua

Joshua,

I remember reading that awhile ago but thanks for the info anyways. Wayne is using an S-AFC which doesn't have the idle control like the HKS AFR, so I'm hoping the idle control feature will help out. I'm also going to be using the Legacy turbo fuel regulator too. Not sure if it's any different or lower than the '98 OBS one. If I ever get a Fuel pressure gauge, I might measure the differences between both. Either way, I will most likely end up doing the parallel fuel mod with a custom fuel regulator so I will then be able to turn down the fuel pressure.

Just "baked" my Legacy turbo manifold. :D I'll probably install it along with the injectors tommorow.

If your boost is spiking like that and you are not making any power, I'm going to say that you are running too much timing.. Check those numbers...

I just rode in another GC8 w/Full Legacy turbo motor and it feels about the same so maybe I'm just use to the kick in the but power of my WRX. Regardless, I'll be installing the legacy turbo injectors/manifold and WRX fuel pump. I originally didn't do it right away because I wanted to get it running first.

Since my car is not OBDII, I don't think there is any way of checking my timing? :confused:

if you run a stock naturally aspirated 2.2L of the 1.8L ECU, it will run VERY rich by default..."rich" as in well below 20mpg if you run it hard, and lots of unburned fuel smoke. the ECU gets confused, and just DUMPS fuel into the engine. now you're running bigger injectors than what the ECU is designed for, and bumping your fuel curves up 40-50% as well...i'm guessing you have TOO much fuel, which would explain the low EGT's and the fact that you still have a properly working engine after a nearly 9lb boost spike. :D

-adam-

I don't think that's true since I was running the 1.8L ecu and 2.2 NA engine without turbo and getting 31mpg consistently on 87 octane. Since I have a maf system, the ecu will learn and compensate to a point.

BTW, I'm running 2.5" all the way back with no cats and I'm not getting any smoke out the back whatsoever.

I'm beginning to think more and more that I'm not really that slow but just have to get adjusted to the new setup coming from a stage II wrx. :)

yeah it's probably in your head David, since I drive you around a bit in my car... your used to the 20lbs I'm running :D

Originally posted by whitewag
yeah it's probably in your head David, since I drive you around a bit in my car... your used to the 20lbs I'm running :D

:lol:

I think I have seen david in your car more then I have seen with him in his car :D j/p david. Do you think mabye your injectors are running static? So hows the idle...or lack there of on your 2.2t/1.8 machine?

i'm beginning to think that might be the case.:rolleyes:

Edit: Idle is like stock.

Anywho, I just finish putting legacy turbo manifold and injectors on so I will take it out today for test and tune with the new injectors.

Well, found a couple mixed up hoses and that was the spiking problem. I'm constant now at 5psi and it feels ok. Cruising egt's are 700c and stays around there even when I floor it. The car does run on the rich side after the Legacy turbo injectors so I still have to try to tune it out. The startup and idle however are fine and feel like stock. It just bogs occasionally from 700-900 rpm's so I have to give it a little bit of gas off the line so that I start out around 1k rpms. I think it can be faster once I lean things out a bit.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid36/pe459a3e4b128cb3e171cb4b84eff7283/fd1fbed6.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid36/p4a76987d9e42d9ac90cde79be4a7dd37/fd1fbed5.jpg

nice pink injectors :) hows it running now with the injectors and manifold?

David - I want to come by and check out your set up. Can you PM me sometime and we'll meet up???

thx.
-mykr.

Sure Mike, no problemo. But you wanna ride in my car at 5psi non intercooled, or in my car at 8psi intercooled? :D Let me know.

BTW, I broke one of my axles because of the tremendous torque my car now has. ;) :D Actually, it was an old axle and I'm sure it broke partially due to age and partially from the 3500rpm clutch drop. :D

So you are not selling the kit anymore I presume?

Not sure right now. I'm going to try it at 8psi and see what happens. I've been like a little girl lately and have hard time making decisions. Are you interested?

I still have my previous plans set around the downpipe I got from you. I want a ride BTW.

I just realized that after doing the metric conversion, I'm running 3psi of boost. I guess the 5 pound spring on the Tial is going to vary depending on the type of engine and displacement.

Now, I don't feel so bad losing to a new Rustang GT by 3/4 car length. :)