Does anyone know of some wheels spacers for the rear for our cars?

Dave

H&R makes a 5, 10, and 15mm wheel spacer kit for our 5x100 bolt pattern. Perfectly machined hubcentric pieces, complete with appropriately sized replacement wheel studs.

They also make a 25mm spacer. It is easier to install than the smaller spacers...if you have room in the wheelwell.

Sweet, would it matter if the rear had 10mm and the front had 5mm?

Dave

Originally posted by dhalley
Sweet, would it matter if the rear had 10mm and the front had 5mm?

Dave I use 15mm spacers on the front and no spacers on the rear. Wider front track should give more front stability, also effectively increasing the rear sway bar rate.

Who sells the H&R spacers? In particular the 5mm.

I buy them through a local race prep shop... I would imagine if you went to H&R's website, it'd have a dealer locator you can use.

Just tried that, but no dealer info.

Well, if you can't find a local place to buy from, the race prep shop I got them from is in Bellevue, Washington.

http://www.fordahlmotorsports.com/

That's their website, and I'm sure they'd ship to you.

:)

just make sure you torque them down. i have seen wheels come off from having spacers on some track/race cars. just be careful.

Wheel spacers put additional stress on CV joints/axles in most cars.. I would say you should just get the right offset wheels to start.

I just put 15mm H+R spacers on the front. I've been using 25mm units on the rear for quite a while. The 25mm ones are super-simple to install. The 15mm ones aren't as hard as I thought they'd be.

Getting the proper offset from the start is what I did. I ordered P1 wheels. They are made for Subarus. The problem with offset came when I installed DMS coilovers, which are also made to fit my Subaru. I also lowered the car using the coilovers (that's what they're there for).

Next thing you know old Jed's a millionaire and I have to install spacers or buy a THIRD set of wheels and tires. Should I just throw my old P1's in the dumpster?:)

i just want my rear tires to stick out as far as the fronts. on my wrx wagon it looks as though the rear wheels are tucked in farther than the fronts. plus tomarow I am installing avs es 100 yoko's on my wagon and kind of fear them rubbin on my prodrive springs.

any recomendations as to what size wheel spacers I should go with? 5, 10, 15, or 25mm?

how come the thinner wheel spacers are harder to install?

thanks jetguy;)

Rear wheel spacers are a bit harder to install than front - the replacement wheel studs are a bit trickier, to be exact.

There is an ABS wheel speed sensor ring (rear tone wheel) bolted to the back of the rear hub - they're integrated. It needs to come off to be able to press/pound out and replace the rear wheel studs. To remove the rear tone wheel intact, you need to pull off the rear housing, which involves replacing the wheel bearing.

A ghetto way of doing it is to dremel the rear tone wheel in half (be sure not to nick any of the teeth - it's a fairly sensitive system), allowing you to remove the tone wheel in two halves without pulling the rear housing. Easier, but you can screw up your ABS system if you're not careful.

I'd recommend a 5mm spacer in the rear. You can combine H&R part numbers to get the 10mm longer replacement wheel studs with a 5mm spacer (that's what I did). The stock studs really aren't long enough to use even a 5mm spacer safely.

Austin, are you sure about the wheel studs for the 5mm? Or do you just mean you need even longer (10mm) studs for the rear?

I'm looking at the parts listing for H&R, and the WRX application in 5mm thickness is the DRS series (P/N 1025560). The documentation states "This spacer is fitted between the wheel and hub, exchanging the existing wheel studs for longer ones. The wheels are then fitted to the hub/spacer with the existing wheel nuts." This is opposed to the DR series, which requires longer wheel bolts purchased seperately.

I must admit, my concern is primarily for the front, but I'd be curious about the back too.

-- Gary

Impreza/Legacy
Bolt Pattern 5/100
Center Bore 56
Bolt/Stud Stud
Thread Type 12x1.25

Spacer Type Spacer Width Notes Part Number Sug. Retail
DRS 5mm 12 1025560 68.95 pr
DRS 15mm 12 3025560 119.95 pr

10xdrs bolzen 12255134

That is all the info and p/n's I have for H&R spacers...

Conemasher - I'm unsure exactly what you're asking me.

I am sure that I would not use any spacer on either the front or rear without longer wheel studs.

You could fit a 5mm spacer in the rear with 5mm longer studs installed, but there was a chance I'd go with 10mm spacers, so I installed the 10mm longer bolts at the start.

Sorry if I wasn't clear...

I was just trying to confirm if the DRS spacer set for the WRX (5mm) does in fact come with longer studs, as per their claims.

If yes, I take it that you're then recommending that one wishes to use the 5mm spacer on the REAR of the WRX, one should toss those studs paired w/ the 5mm kit, and buy the studs specified for the 10mm kit. (But for the front, the included studs are fine).

And one final q for Austin.. those 10mm studs on the 5mm spacers... were you using the stock lugnuts? Would suck if the 5mm were too short, but the 10mm were too long and the stockers couldn't tighten down enough...(wouldn't have encountered this problem w/ "open" lugnuts).

-- Gary

Yes, the DRS spacer kits come with two hubcentric spacers and 10 replacement wheel studs. (The 5mm spacers aren't hubcentric - they're too thin to be truly hubcentric.)

I measured the studs that came with my 15mm kit, and they're exactly 20mm longer than stock studs.

The 5mm spacer kit does come with longer studs (I would assume they're about 10mm longer than stock studs). Instead of buying a normal 5mm spacer kit and also buying another set of studs (from the 10mm kit), just call up Fordahl Motorsports (I posted their website above) and specify exactly what you want.

I read back over this thread, and there were a few unanswered questions -

Originally posted by jetguy
how come the thinner wheel spacers are harder to install?As far as H&R spacers go, there is really no difference in install difficulty between 5, 15, or 25mm kits. As I said, the rear wheel studs are a bit more involved to replace than the front studs, but once the studs are installed, the spacer itself is just an alloy disk that slides over the studs and butts up against the hub. The wheel then slides over the studs and is centered when you torque the lug nuts down.

Originally posted by aj's25rs
just make sure you torque them down. i have seen wheels come off from having spacers on some track/race cars. just be careful.Brand new wheel spacers are just like brand new wheels. You need to re-torque the lugnuts after about 50 miles of driving, and again every 100 miles until you no longer get any lugnut movement. Wheels and wheel spacers will compress (very slightly) when you torque them down for the first time - that causes torqued lugnuts to come loose, which is why you need to re-torque the lugnuts again and again, until the wheel or wheel spacer is done compressing.

Originally posted by Austin

As far as H&R spacers go, there is really no difference in install difficulty between 5, 15, or 25mm kits.

I'd have to disagree. The 25mm H&R spacers that I installed were much easier than the 15mm H&R spacers. This is because the 25mm spacers have room to use offest studs. The stock five studs hold the 25mm spacer. The additional five studs (offset mounted in the spacer) clamp the wheel. With the 25mm spacer you have ten studs per wheel well.

The 15mm spacers require pounding out the stock studs and installing longer H&R studs.

Thanks aspera, I didn't know that.

That'd make the 25mm spacer a very easy install.

Yep! They are super-duper easy. As far as I know, the 25mm ones can be used on the rear without bad side effects. The only odd thing that might get your attention is spraying mud on your doors if you are backing up in a field or something.:)

does installing a 5,10, 15 or 25mm spacer change the offset of the rim that a subaru needs? if so how much would the offset be decreased with an addition of a spacer, such as the H&R one?

Or is offset and spacer length directly related to each other in millimeters?
so for example a a 17x9 +30 offset wheel with a 15mm spacer = +45 offset?
or am i totally wrong?

would this type of wheel setup totally throw the geometry off and be bad for the wheel bearings?

Anyone knows who makes spacers 5 or 10 mm for 05 STi bolt pattern 5x114.3

You can buy all the different H&R Wheel spacers here: http://www.optionimports.com/import-store/1025560.html
:banana:
got the 5mm spacers - they do come with the longer studs, but are NOT hub centric.... Thinking about changing them out for the 10mm...

Where could I buy a spacer that is thinner that 5mm? Say a 3mm spacer... Would that size be ok to use with the stock studs?

TIA

Whaddya need a 3mm spacer for?

To fit my stock wheels over my AP Calipers.

3mm? We can grind that off the caliper w/ NO PROBLEM :D

does installing a 5,10, 15 or 25mm spacer change the offset of the rim that a subaru needs? if so how much would the offset be decreased with an addition of a spacer, such as the H&R one?

Or is offset and spacer length directly related to each other in millimeters?
so for example a a 17x9 +30 offset wheel with a 15mm spacer = +45 offset?
or am i totally wrong?

would this type of wheel setup totally throw the geometry off and be bad for the wheel bearings?
bump, to answer my question?

You would need to subtract the spacer height from the offset.

Effective offset = wheel offset - spacer height

3mm? We can grind that off the caliper w/ NO PROBLEM :D

:lol: There ya go Ken, Dustin to the rescue!

or, you could sell those SSR's to me for like $500 and get you some killer Rotas like mine.. or we could swap wheels, even-up :lol:

...I'm going to get a big laugh out of this if the next time Ken's in town we see grinder marks on his killer AP brake calipers :)

There's no need for grinder marks. The Calipers are aluminum, they will clean up easy, a little Krylon and no one will know ;)

There's no need for grinder marks. The Calipers are aluminum, they will clean up easy, a little Krylon and no one will know ;)


You speak from experience?!? [Dustin has a history of modifying modifications. :D]

You speak from experience?!? [Dustin has a history of modifying modifications. :D]
I just can't leave not good enough alone ;)

Bump!

Anybody know where I could buy a set of 3mm wheel spacers?

http://www.amimotorsports.com/fkspacer.htm

http://www.intheweedz.com/coolproducts/wheel/spacers/lug/5mm/pcs/zrn2016/42614.php4

I searched for:

3mm 5x100 wheel spacers

And got LOTS of good results. Those are the first two.

You could always buy some 1/8" plate and make your own as well.

Sure... go off and search for it.... I'm usually pretty good about that just got lazy... total n00b moment :o

Thanks Dustin!

You could always buy some 1/8" plate and make your own as well.

Yeah in that new machine shop I built next to the garage with that Lincoln log set I got for my birth day :p :)

This really is something you could do in your garage with a hand drill and a jig saw if you were seriously motivated ;)

seriously motivated... :rolleyes: Your talking to a guy that was too lazy to even search... :)

hahahaha, true dat :)

what exactly is it that wheel spacers do?

they effectively decrease the offset of your wheels

is there anything that can be done for an offset that is to low? besides getting different wheels

complete suspension redesign ;)

oh, or you could get a widebody kit

you could even cut the fenders if you didn't care about a finished look