Dear Members,

Believe it or not, the 5th group is officially starting as of today. We achieved vendor status as of last night and thus we are posting the new group buy information and pricing for all NASIOC.com members that are interested in taking advantage of the group buy. Here goes...

Kyle(a.k.a. CirrusWRX) will be the official contact and coordinator for this buy. He will be collecting the names of all interested and confirmed buyers and keeping track of them for you publicly. The more members that confirm the lower the price goes. Once the group feels that they have reached a discount level that is universally satisfactory the group buy will close and each member will call in their order with me individually. Each member will be charged separately and the product will be shipped according to each members preference.

Buyers: Price:
1.......................$679.00
3.......................$615.00
5.......................$585.00
10.....................$540.00
20.....................$515.00
50.....................$499.00(newest discount level, it has only been reached one time in the history of our leather group buys)

We will be offering the following options at the indicated prices.

Two-tone............................FREE
2 embroideries....................FREE
Installation Kit.....................$25.00
Install Video........................$10.00
Color Double Stitching.........FREE
Colored Piping.....................$55.00
Suede inserts......................$85.00
Flat Perforated inserts.........$25.00
Flat Non-perf inserts............$25.00
Seat Heater System............$90.00
Seat heater/Massage..........$159.00
Shift boot.............................$49.99(actual Katzkin leather)
Premium leather upgrade.....$85.00(adds more leather to rear seat covers)
1/4 hide of leather...............$80.00
1/2 hide of leather...............$150.00
Yard of Suede......................$80.00
Ground Shipping..................$25.00

As you can see from the pricing changes we plan to beat any of the competition's pricing. Also, double stitching is now FREE, the flat or flat perf inserts for $25.00 instead of $35.00, the suede inserts is now $85.00 down from $100.00, and of course the shipping is a flat rate anywhere in the Continental U.S.

Also, if you all reach 25 buys or more shipping will be $15.00 total per kit and if you reach 30 buys shipping will be $5.00 per kit.

To speak to me about a leather interior for your vehicle please call toll FREE 1-866-639-7328 ext 104. We look forward to doing business with you all very soon.

Regards,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

Official Signup List - Last Updated: 2.16.03
Leather
1. xxxxxxxxxxxxx
2. JasForbes
3. sivertoy
4. ErikAnderson - on the fence
5. gavski
6. ATB
7. ChadRockPSU
8. scootnsuby
9. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
10. Rocket Wagon
11. tep
12. AntiochCali
13. hirodude
14. boomtonic
15. Realbigstauf
16. TankSlapper
17. JasonRossSmith
18. wbarber - on the fence
19. LOKI
20.



Seat Heaters
1. polarweasel (2) - PAID AND ORDERED
2. Scoob02 - PAID AND ORDERED
3. larryg - on the fence
4. silvertoy (2)
5. ErikAnderson (2) - on the fence
6. gavski (2)
7. Billio (2)
8. tep (2)
9. AntiochCali (2)
10. hirodude (2)
11. JasonRossSmith (2) - On the fence

...

Shift Boots
1. CirrusWRX
2. silvertoy
3. ErikAnderson - on the fence
4. AntiochCali
5. ATB - on the fence

**NOTE** - If you are ordering JUST SEAT HEATERS (by themselves) You may call to place your order at any time starting Feb. 9 ** Please send me email/PM or post here when you have done so so I can mark you down as having ordered

Whoring this post in case I need to use it later on.

another pic for your viewing pleasure...

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com (http://www.leatherseats.com)

its the charm...

Regards,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com (http://www.leatherseats.com)

I am very interested , especially if we can get to 20+ buyers, but if you could can you give some kind of explination about instillation. I would hate to buy and not be able to install then have to pay sombody to do it for me.

Dear Bluespeed,

The basic idea with these upholstery kits is that the factory cloth is copied in pattern and replaced with a new superior material. These covers are O.E.M. spec and made to replace the factory cloth for a factory fit and finish. You do have to remove the seats from the car for the install, but you don't have to tear or cut the factory covers off to install these. You simply have to unzip/unclip the factory covers one at a time and then reverse the process to install the new covers you have recieved. There are much more detailed instructions available for public viewing on our website at www.leatherseats.com (http://www.leatherseats.com). Please feel free to get more specific with your questions... I will try and keep up.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

Hi all! Well, it's about a month later than I had hoped this thing could get started, but we're here, and we're all in one piece, so let's get down to business.

1. Read the previous 4 GB's for some more info if you have no idea what this is about:

3rd Group Buy (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=190629)

2nd Group Buy (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101189)

GB 1 is with Jimmy Hoffa... but I assure you it was very similar to the other three.

2. Post questions here that you think are relavant, but please try to check out the other threads first. There are certainly some points of confusion, but the other threads have answered most common questions by now. I am a NASIOC addict, so I will probably be able to answer almost all questions within a very short time period.

3. Yes - I have instructions. No they are not finished. I need a good arse kicking (and about 2 hours to sit down and finish them) and they will be in Beta 2.0 format - mostly correct, but probably some gaps remain - and they are for a 2002 WRX Sedan.
You can check out the older ones here to get an idea of what is involved with the installation. I have 2 left hands, and had some help from a friend in the similar, but we were able to percervere. Not a "fun" job, but certainly do-able by any means. And there are enough people now that you might even be able to find a local buddy to help you out. Oh yeah, and there is this NASIOC thing too :)

http://www.artechnik.com/BackSeatInstallSedan.pdf
http://www.artechnik.com/FrontSeatInstall.pdf
http://www.artechnik.com/DoorPanelBetaInstallationInstructions.pdf


4. This GB is good for any Subaru that CFI (aka: leatherseats.com) has a pattern for. We have found, from the past GB's that this includes just about any Subaru you'd find on the boards. However, as always, if you are unsure, please drop either myself or Eric a line and we'll get you the answer ASAP.

5. There is no official "close" date as of yet. As Eric had mentioned, getting 50 orders would be heavenly, but the likliness of this is rather slim. We're obviously shooting for 20 orders, and we have yet to have LESS than 20 orders, so when you plan on "signing up," you can be just about certain that there will be at least 20 orders. So basically, once things start to look like we have 20 people on board, or we're on our way, I'll post a close date.

6. Please sign up when you have a pretty good feeling that you can commit to this. This isn't a $25.00 blinker-cover GB - this is an expensive, and quality product.

I understand that "things come up" and I will certainly post your name if you are "on the fence" *BUT* when I say "OK - we're trying to finalize the list - you need to tell me whether you're in or out" and you say you're "in" and bail on me at the last minute, I turn into angry, snarling Cirrus, and I'll come after you with a rusty q-tip. Not a pretty scene.

That's about all I can think of for now. Le's do dis thing.

Sign me up for two seat heaters (right and left front, if there's a difference) and a set of hog-ring pliers and whatever rings I'll need.

Sadly, I'm not in for any leather this time around... :(

Eric, should I PM you for details on shipping and payment?

Alex

Do these prices apply the wagon too?
Thanks

Originally posted by angled
Do these prices apply the wagon too?
Thanks

Yepper - wagon, sedan, legacy, impreza, outback, etc... Any Subaru they have a pattern for. Like I said, I *don't* believe we have run across anybody who has *not* been able to get leather for their car, but if you have something obscur (like a Brat or something!) then I'll make sure to double check for ya.

I'm on the fence right now. had some financial issues but i will see if i can scrounge up the money. but i will definatly try to come up with enough for the seats.


Mike k

by the way do you have a pic of the color double stiching. would it look like the shifter and steering wheel in a 2001 RS

Thanks again
Mike

I'm very interested in doing this, but I need to set my priorities. The car that really needs new seats is my '92 Miata. The factory leather is not very good quality and I've got a hole worn in the drivers side seat.

Based on what I'm seeing here, I doubt that it matters what the pattern is for, but I'm wondering if there's any price break because the Miata has only two seats.

Hey, if the price is good for the Miata and I win the lottery I might buy a set for the WRX too....:D

nukem - I have you as "on the fence"

gjones - that is something I think you should discuss with Eric privately about - send him an email or give him a call, as I don't think this is in my realm to answer. If he can't get you in on this GB, he can probably get you a great deal nonetheless, and probably hook you up with the install kit.

I'm 'IN'.

About the door panel inserts;
-Included with seat purchase or buy the 1/4 or 1/2 hide?
-Will suede options be available for door panels and shift boot?
-Has there been thoughts of an E-brake boot?
Thanks.

One more - Will the massagers be avialable?

Dear Members,

The massager units will be available for $159.00 per kit.

The matching vinyl door inserts are included in the leather kits, and this is by far what we recommend using for the doors. The leather is much much more difficult to install than the vinyl is and will not typically stay attached as well. Also, you won't notice much of difference between leather and vinyl on the door panels.

To get doors in suede you will have to order an extra yard of suede.

We can build the shift boots in suede at the same price.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

yay!! that yellow one is mine. Free bump for an awesome deal.

-Wes

im out dont have the money this round


mike

Put me as "on the fence" for a WRX Wagon setup with heaters. Finances will dictate if I am "in" as soon as you set a close date. Thanks.

Can we get some clarification as to what things like "flat panels" are and what embroideries are available (wasn't there a WRX issue?). Also, some recommended two-tone combinations that have worked for others, including some unusual ones. Thanks again.

Larry

Heheh I'm in for a 2003 WRX wagon, (seats, shift boot, and heaters, do I get a special deal ;) ) I was going to get the all leather upgrade since if you want perforated, then you have to get leather. But since it's more difficult to install in the doors supposedly, then I will get the vinyl and no perforation and save some cash. I want the inserts down option (inserts on the top half so the top half of the seat back and headrests are dark graphite and the indside of the seatback, halfway down, are the insert color and the bottom center is all insert color), oh yeah, and silver double stitching.

I'm intrigued by these new massager thingys though... Any details, how well do they work, are the heaters better than just the regular heaters, are there extra BUTTONS :) I need details.

Also, one last question before I call in and finalize my order, I have 3 swatches here, one for silver, one for platinum, and one for dove grey. The dove gray seems a little light compared to the headliner, the silver seems pretty cool, but looks like it would be prone to losing it's shiny-ness, and the platinum is darker than the headliner by as much as the dove gray is lighter than the headliner. Anyone who put in any of these colors have a recommendation, particularly the silver or platinum?

Is it just me or does the leather seem to flatten out the side bolsters?

BTW what is the design called with multiple panels?

It might appear to flatten the bolsters a little, and maybe it does, but what you might actually be seeing is one of a few things:

1. The leather is almost a 1/4 inch thick (maybe thicker?) and the stock seat covers are nowhere near that, so I think what happens is the bulky thick leather simply goes "higher" to the sides of the bolsters, making them appear smaller.

2. Perhaps you are referring to this pic:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3283360

This is from a seat in a pre 2002 2.5 RS - they have slightly different seats, like the bolsters, and the headrest, etc...

3. Some people choose to really stretch the leather tight, and others a little looser which would result in some slight bending of the foam itself, and thus altering the shape.

The multiple panels that you refer to are the differnt style seat of the pre 2002 2.5 RS (I believe) Otherwise, the "tighter" style leather is the "flat non-perforarated inserts."

Originally posted by silvertoy

I'm intrigued by these new massager thingys though... Any details, how well do they work, are the heaters better than just the regular heaters, are there extra BUTTONS :) I need details.

Also, one last question before I call in and finalize my order, I have 3 swatches here, one for silver, one for platinum, and one for dove grey. The dove gray seems a little light compared to the headliner, the silver seems pretty cool, but looks like it would be prone to losing it's shiny-ness, and the platinum is darker than the headliner by as much as the dove gray is lighter than the headliner. Anyone who put in any of these colors have a recommendation, particularly the silver or platinum?

OK - I'll try to answer them in order:
1. Seat massager = not new, I believe. Check out the previous GB's about the massagers, or try a search - a few people on here have them and like them. They actualyl come with a separate control module, (like a mini remote control) for the separate areas - I think they also have heater function built in. I haven't heard any word on whether they heat better than the carbotex, so see if you can find out who got them in the previous GB's and drop em an email or PM

2. Don't worry about finalizing or calling in your order - when we get our 20 (or more) people finalized, then I will specifiy a date when you guys can start calling in. Until then, you don't need to make your absolute final decision (in case you can't figure out what you want!)

3. This is personal: I was in the same boat as yourself. I have a silver sedan, and I too thought about the silver, and the wear and tear from a (heavily) daily driver. I decided to try the following:

Dark graphite with light gray centers - you can see a pic - it's the first one on this thread, and I have more I just need to get arond to uploading. The two colors, IMHO, are P*E*R*F*E*C*T - I had (again) anothe person come up to me today (he just bought an RS on Monday) and he swore they were stock - he didn't believe they were aftermarket.

The dark graphite matches the interior "dark gray" (like the dash, plastic door panels, carpet, etc...) just incredibly well - it is damned near impossible to tell there is a difference. And the "light gray" that I choose for my centers match the HEADLINER (light gray) damned near perfect. I love my color choices and if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't have changed a thing.

Just my .02

How much is it to get these professionally installed?

I'm trying to decide whether to spend my money on

1. Leather Seats
2. Morette Headlights
3. 17" Rota Sub-Zero Wheels

Any opinions? :D

Hmm... this is a tough one since every place you take it too will give you a different price. In my opinion, they can all be pretty much done by somebody with average skills, but that's just me.

1. Leather installation can range from $200-500.00, or a fellow NASIOC'er can probably show you the ropes and you can finish the rest for some beer+pizza.

2. I think you'd be very angry to pay somebody for an hour or two of labor when you could install them yourself in 30 minutes. I did them on mine, and even with the HID install, it was still totalling under an hour. A couple of bolts, a few wires, and that's about it - IF you get the PnP harness. I guess it'd be whatever a local shop wants to charge: dunno $70-150.00

3. "Install" wheels? You mean, like turn the lugnuts and stuff :lol: (sorry)? I guess if you buy wheels, you need tires. If you don't buy them mounted and balanced, that'll probably cost anywhere from $25-50.00 a wheel, again, depending where you go, and to actually put them on the car shouldn't cost much, I wouldn't think. A mechanic with air tools should probably be able to do all four in under 5 minutes.

lol. Thanks for the response Cirrus -- The "install" question was just for the seats, actually. Then I meant, with the possible install of the seats in mind, which should I go for? :D Thanks again though -- I'm a little worried about putting the seats on. I showed my roommate the pics of the seats and he was like, "Damn. Those are gonna be [annoying:)]to put on."

Ahhh - that makes more sense :D

Anyway, I'm not really sure "where" you're from - I see NY and TX on your name, but either way, there is a good chance somebody local to you might have leather. I was very nervous about doing it myself, but my buddy and I managed it with little difficulty in a weekend, and that included taking pics and everything. I think, if nothing more, you should at least TRY to do the back seat yourself, and if you have too much fear about trying the fronts or the doorpanels, you can take it to a local shop and have them do it.

Just my .02 - I would absolutely NOT recommend this to anybody who loses patience quickly. This definitely does take some effort on your part to install, but it's not anything that requires "technical" know-how -- it's all very straightforward, and of course, HIGHLY rewarding.

Is it difficult to add heated seating system if you already have installed leather previously?

Count me in if we can get to 10+ orders. Looking for basic, two tone kit with 2 seat heaters for WRX sedan. Need to decide on colors. Let me know if you need more info.

-Jeff

Leatherseats.com,

I totally love the samole pic that was posted by you cats on the previous page. The pic has the graphite color with a dark grey inner section. It also has the Sti symbol stitched on with added ribbed sections. My question for you is how much would that exact package cost as you see it(I have never seen those added ribbs). Also what exactly does that package inlcude. If that exact package is fairly priced, you can count me in. oh I might have missed this but when is our money due and when would these ship? Thanks.
Chad

I am in as a "fence sitter",
final decision will have to be made when an end date is announced.
I hate tax season:mad::mad:

White wagon, graphite with dove grey centers/inserts hmmm:cool: :confused:

Some answers for all y'alls

Is it difficult to add heated seating system if you already have installed leather previously?
Not really. Obviously, it's easier to do all at once, but like the people who ONLY want heated seats, and who are not interested in the leather, the process is fairly straightforward.
1. Remove the seats
2. Remove the seat covers
3. Install the heater elements (essentially a very thin fabric with wires running through it)
4. Re-hog ring (attach) the leather BACK to the seat cushion
5. Do any necessary wiring (not much is involved)
6. Re-install the seats


Count me in if we can get to 10+ orders. Looking for basic, two tone kit with 2 seat heaters for WRX sedan. Need to decide on colors. Let me know if you need more info.
Got you marked down! Don't need any more info at this time - keep your eyes on this thread for any updates (like when it's going to end!)


I totally love the samole pic that was posted by you cats on the previous page. The pic has the graphite color with a dark grey inner section. It also has the Sti symbol stitched on with added ribbed sections. My question for you is how much would that exact package cost as you see it(I have never seen those added ribbs). Also what exactly does that package inlcude. If that exact package is fairly priced, you can count me in. oh I might have missed this but when is our money due and when would these ship?
OK - I will let Eric answer this one, but I'm 99% sure that seat you are looking at right there is not for a 2002 WRX - it is for a pre 2002 (probably 2001/2000) 2.5 RS - they have different seats, I believe, hence the extra ribbing. If you attempted to do that on our seats, you would find that there isn't a place to hogring the leather to the seat cushion, and thus, your back would be very uncomfortable :) So you can get something close, but not exact, unless you could find some way to retrofit the older style seats into your car. Again, I'm not 100% sure, but the question was asked earlier, and I believe that's simply a different seat.

On your other questions, the money is "due" when you place the order. To stress again, I (nor anybody else) collects money or anything - YOU PLACE THE ORDER YOURSELVES and give Eric your CC/payment info at the same time you call to place your final order (what options/colors/extras, etc...) They usually ship about 2 weeks (give or take) after you place your order. While I cannot say how long it will take for this to fill up, you can probably expect these seats in your car sometime by the middle of next month - just a guesstimate, no final plans. Could be earlier/ could be later.

I am in as a "fence sitter",
Great - got you marked down as such, again, end date won't be for a little while yet. Agreed on the taxes too :mad:

Circus,

You can tentatively count me in. I will deffinetly be in if we get 20 people in on the deal. I am lookin for the regular kit with dark graphite outer and pacific blue inners. I am also interested in the non-gatherd center panels. I suppose I will place my order when I see 20 people are in on it. Thanks for this great shot at some kick butt leathers.

Chad :cool:

Dear Members,

It appears that I have missed quite a few questions over the weekend, but Cirrus seems to have everything under control. I will touch on the areas that have not been cleared up already.

The kit that ChadRock likes so much is, to confirm what CirrusWRX already stated, from a 2.5RS interior which is a completely differenct seat core and cover pattern from the WRX. That will not fit on the WRX seat core without cutting down the bolsters. That is also why the leather appears to have caused the bolsters to shrink... the 2.5RS seats have much smaller bolsters to begin with.

The massager units include 8 motors that can be installed wherever each owner desires, along with one heat pad that can be installed either on the lower backrest or cushion areas. The regular seat heater kits come with 2 heater pads one for the backrest and one for the cushion.

Thanks,
Eric
www.leatherseats.com

I'm in. Details on my order to follow...

I am new to the forums and was told you can get heaters for seats. I have CST leather already and want heaters.

the heater kit you show up above has the good squared off switches is that what we get or do we get the new katzkin kit that has the new round switches like on the katzkin web page?

http://www.katzkin.com/SITE/HTML/seat.heaters.html

cause I called katzkin and they don't have the squared off ones any more and won't tell me who made them.

Dear Chaotic,

We do have the seat heater kits with the Square switches in limited supply... they are what is going to be ordered by most on this group buy.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

ChadRockPSU and scootnsuby - You both have been added the "da list" -- thanks!

PS. Those square switches fit extremely well in the center, by the emergency brake handle -- You have to do a little trimming to make them fit, but nothing an xacto blade or a file can't contend with - took about 10 minutes to make mine fit 100% - and they match the stock trim color very well, and the amber lights match the amber "rear window defroster" for all those anal people (like me!)

The heater's are per seat or a pair?

Per seat - so to do driver + passenger, = $180.00 - it's not necessary that you buy both, but if you have a g/f or significant other, or YOU have to sit in the passenger seat every now and again, you might as well do em both and save yourself the trouble :D

New guy here.

I just brought home a '02 WRX...absolutely love it.

It was 14 degrees this morning at Lake Tahoe. I need seat heaters to be certain...can they be set to "broil"? :D

You can definately count me in for the leather buy. I would also be interested in doing the rear seat as well. Perhaps I'm blind, but I didn't see pricing for that option. Is a rear seat leather option available?

Do I need to indicate all the options and details at this time, or wait for the final "buy" to be triggered.

Thanks for providing such a great service!

Regards,
Kevin

Rears are included. There's a small difference between the regular -- which have like a small portion of the seat done in like vinyl or something, and then you can upgrade to full leather.

I am interested in the leather GB. However I would like to see some pics..especially any pics showing the double stitching work..
Thanks in advance. Are there any blue colors that match the WRB Blue color for the double-stitching purposes?
Thanks

Members,

The rear seat covers are included with the kit price. All of the specs have been explained in detail in the last group buy threads, but I will try and explain again.

Deluxe leather kit:
Full leather seating surfaces on front seats
Leather inserts only in rear seats

Premium leather kit:
Full leather seating surfaces on front seats
Leather on center of the rear seats

100% leather kit:
Self Explanitory! This kit is $929.00 at full retail, you can upgrade to this kit if you like, but it is a WASTE of money IMHO. It is much more difficult to install and takes longer to adapt to the seat core. I highly recommend against going this way.

Here is a pic of the double stitching. Overall it is very very difficult to make thread match leather exactly. I am not really sure what you mean by matching the WR blue because the stitching is so small the human eye is not going to be able to tell whether it matches without some intense concentration.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

Count me in for 2 seat heaters.

Billio and KenpoKev - got you marked down - thanks!

Kenpokev - don't worry about deciding all options and stuffis until the end. Of course, it helps if you have a general idea, but YOU YOURSELF will place the final order (when we've got our 20(+) buyers) so it'll probably be a little while longer before your final decision.

I agree with Eric about the "super-duper-ultra-mega-total leather coming out your ears" option. Just too much money, and at that, I went with the Premium kit, and although I do love it, I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and the deluxe kit. And I just don't have backseat passengers all that often, but it's totally up to you and your situation.

Better take me back off the list. I went over to the GB #4.

Best wishes for every success in this GB.

Respectfully,
Kevin

Kevin,

What do you mean by "GB #4"? That group buy closed last year. I guess you could be referring to the illicit group buy offered on this site at the end of our 4th Group Buy thread. That group buy info was posted illegally. It took us over a month to finally get our vendor status and in that time we lost many customers to an unofficial and unsanction group buy. If you did buy in that group buy you are supporting a company that is not supporting NASIOC.com, they have used this forum illegally through one member, HiFiWRX, and I guess there are no consequences. We have done 4 incredibly successful group buys here, we have now commited to supporting NASIOC.com financially, and we have better prices than the competition... what more do we need to do to win your loyalty? I don't understand.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

That group buy info was posted illegally. It took us over a month to finally get our vendor status and in that time we lost many customers to an unofficial and unsanction group buy. If you did buy in that group buy you are supporting a company that is not supporting NASIOC.com, they have used this forum illegally through one member, HiFiWRX, and I guess there are no consequences.
Come on Eric, you have no proof of this. I have spoken with HiFiWRX and we handled that situation. I don't want this thread to turn into one like the last one. HIWRX agreed not to post anymore about the other GB, so please show equal respect and not drag his name down in this thread when he in fact agreed not to post as I have asked him. Hifiwrx was only offereing an alternate BG solution because of the wait here (which is out of my control). He only posted a link to the other site and as far as I know that group buy hasn't had any issues.

Please get things back on a professional level and let the subject rest.

Paul G.

I have removed your name from the list KenpoKev, but I don't understand why :confused: -however, you are COMPLETELY ENTITLED to do so, and I need no explanation. If you'd like to contact me in private either via PM, or email, please feel free to do so.

No hard feelings about anything, of course, and I don't want to pressure you in any way.

Put me on the fence ( I will know definitely by the 21st)

Added you to the list!! And if you're reading this PaulTG - I PMd you back.

cirrus,

On page one of this thread I posted a question about installation. attatched to my response was a pic of a passenger seat. thats the style I would want. I will want different colors but with that seat pattern and wrx stitched on instead of the sti, can you please let me know how much that would cost if we get to at least 20 buyers thanks

Originally posted by bluespeed
cirrus,

On page one of this thread I posted a question about installation. attatched to my response was a pic of a passenger seat. thats the style I would want. I will want different colors but with that seat pattern and wrx stitched on instead of the sti, can you please let me know how much that would cost if we get to at least 20 buyers thanks I think in the pic your talking about it is a different car like maybe an rs or something cause it's not a stock wrx seat, it's shaped different. i just read the first page of this thread and have to say I don't know what I was talking about cause you never mentioned the seats I was thinking. I looked at the leatherseats guy's post with the "ribbed for her pleasure" seats so forget what I just said up there. it's obviously past my bed time :lol:

I read all the other GB pages from the 4 completed buys and it looks to me like you can't get the wrx logo on this group buy but you can on the other one over on www.clubwrx.com but It's the same brand of leather, there both katzkins? so what is the difference?

I am on the fence for heaters depending on the time frame, I want them before summer and this GB took forever and a day to get going and i don't want it to drag on and on and on what is the close date?

pardon my typing I am exhausted and don't want to go back and fix stuff. :alien:

Oh yeah and what'e the big deal with that Hifiguy it looks to me like he was just letting people know there were other GBs ending sooner. Might be cool if people are in a hurry to get their stuff and still get a good price. I appreciate the dude looking out for other Suby addicts! Just my 2 pennies

Originally posted by SoChaotic
Oh yeah and what'e the big deal with that Hifiguy it looks to me like he was just letting people know there were other GBs ending sooner. Might be cool if people are in a hurry to get their stuff and still get a good price. I appreciate the dude looking out for other Suby addicts! Just my 2 pennies

Hifiguy isn't happy with NASIOC in the way they have handled the vendors for the leather GB. In turn, he has posted repeated links to the other GB and sent repeated e-mails or PMs to NASIOC members who have posted interest in this GB with the intent to direct them to the GB he has joined. He did some good, but some feel it is in bad taste and wrong for someone to act in this manner - me included.

Couldn't put it any better than JasForbes has.

Just so the members here understand:
I'm not trying to sensor anyone and I also think Hifiwrx had good intentions. It is not cool to advertising for another GB on this site (for a non vendor) in a Vendor thread though, and PM'ing folks to posting in this thread to join another one (I know of one incident) isn't really cool in my book. We talked it over, and he has been honest about it, so I'm not taking any actions against him. I think we have a very clear understanding now.

I encouraged Hifi to let us all know how the GB he joined goes and to let us see pictures of his kit once installed (in his own thread though).

If the vendor for that other GB wants to get the word out on this site, they have to get Vendor Status like everyone else. Them be the rules. Hope you guys can understand.

Paul G.

Again, I would like to stress that that stuff happened, and is over now. That GB is closed, and if you really want all the juicy details about it, go read the 4th GB - the answers are all there. Nothing is a secret and rather than post about it here, go read it for yourself.

The reason this took so long to get started was because CFI (leatherseats.com) had to obtain Vendor Status. They did NOT have vendor status for the 1-4 GB's simply because when they had their first GB here, Vendor Status didn't even exist, and NASIOC (i-club) at the time was tremendously smaller. And up until basically the 4th one, there STILL wasn't Vendor Status, and things were changing rapidly-- Basically, Nick let it slide on the 4th since NASIOC and CFI had always had such great success. So now they have it, and that's what took so long.

If you don't believe any of this, please read about the GB's 2+3, and you will see that basically once we opened the GB, it took anywhere from 3-6 weeks before it was "closed", or until we got a firm 20 orders (usually more for "padding" and late comers.)

Nothing has changed here, except that we may have to wait a little bit longer for our 20 people, just like any other GB out there. And just like all the other one's for leatherseats.com, you don't pay anything up front, and you will never get as good of a deal if you just called them up on your own.

Just my .02, of course.

I'm in without a doubt. Just waiting on my blue suede and leather samples before I make a final decision.

CirrusWRX, I am on the fence and very interested in this.
I want basically what you have in your car (flat panel 2 tone) but I want the center to be blue instead of dark grey with blue stitching. Is it possible to have the door inserts blue too?
Also, will you install it for me? I will definitly pay $$$ for your time, since I lack patience :-P
thanks
moe

Rocket and Lehigh - added you with your respective thoughts.

And Lehigh - you DO see the blue suede now, right??! (Of course I'll install it... if you give me your wheels!!! hehehe-- j/k - yeah I'd love to meet up with you again, and as we discussed a few months ago, it's no problem!)

can someone send me some pics of grey/black setups that will go with CF. and tell me the name of each color so I can be exact with what i choose. I have CF trim and boot/knob and I want the car to flow. Any ideas? I may be interested in this.

my email is EBugsy@aol.com


ERIK

I propose an east coast install-fest to accompany the products' arrival, complete with food, drink and camaraderie. The post about meeting Cirrus inspired me. It would definitely be nice to have someone who has done this before be around.

Originally posted by CirrusWRX
Rocket and Lehigh - added you with your respective thoughts.

And Lehigh - you DO see the blue suede now, right??! (Of course I'll install it... if you give me your wheels!!! hehehe-- j/k - yeah I'd love to meet up with you again, and as we discussed a few months ago, it's no problem!)

EDIT: I just saw a sample on the 4th GB link. I setn and email to Leatherseats. I really like suede but I dont want just a little patch. I basically want what you have but replace the center gray with blue suede. It cant be that hard !!

Dear Members,

What is CF? Carbon Fiber maybe. If so, do you mean carbon fiber on the dash? I would suggest either Dark Graphite and Charcoal or Black and Graphite to give you a good carbon fiber feel. The contrast is minimal, but still stands out somewhat. I will attach a pic of Black and Charcoal... the contrast would be slightly less than in the attached pic.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

How much for the leather Door Inserts ive seen in some photo's,it adds a nice touch....also what are flat perforated and non perforated inserts????

As Eric had mentioned earlier, the LEATHER door inserts (upgrade) is probably not worth the hassle.

HOWEVER, I think you may be confused: You see, material for the door inserts is included, however, it is basically a big sheet of vinyl. You cut it to size, and blah blah blah, PITA install, blah blah blah.

So are you asking whether or not ANY material for the door inserts are included, and how much (free) or how much to upgrade for a bigger sheet of leather? (I think it's posted on the first page, but if not, I'll let Eric chime in.)

Secondly, the "flat" inserts are the slightly "tighter" looking inserts (like Audi leather) rather than the gathered leather which is a little "looser" (like BMW 3 series leather)

The perforated is just that: perforarted, like the steering wheel on an 02 WRX - it has little "pits" (like a golfball) - you can see pics of it on the leatherseats.com site. And the non-perf. inserts are just normal leather.

To those members that felt that I had harassed them or was in some way "in the wrong" by offering them another option for leather seats, whether it be through PM, Email or my previous posting. I am truely sorry. I want you all to know that my intention was to ONLY to allow everyone the opportunity to have a choice in where they bought their leather kits. I wanted you to know there was an option for you and that if you wanted to get them sooner than later that it was possible.

Again I am sorry, and I will no longer try to help out fellow Nasioc members as I see they are happy with the options they currently have available. I sincerely hope your GB goes smoothly and quickly. Again I am sorry if you felt I was out of place. I hope you all truly understand that it was not my intent to do something wrong and that I was in my heart trying to help out fellow club members, just as I would like them to help me out if they had access to information that I did not...

Lastly Sorry to Eric if any of your customers left. I didn't have any ill intenet towards you either. As a business owner myself I know that competition can sometimes be good, if anything I was hoping that introducing competition would get the long awaited 5th GB going "quicker". Again Sorry...

Sincerely,
Jeff Anderson
AKA "HiFiWRX"

^ Hifi - Along with your apology, you posted yet another link to the other GB supplier. Why? Your apology means nothing when you continue to plug and link another supplier. Shamful. Edit out your plug and link.

Add me to the list. Looks like Dark Graphite for me with 2 seat heaters.

Yo Leahterseatsguy, I asked this a while back what's up?[snip]I read all the other GB pages from the 4 completed buys and it looks to me like you can't get the wrx logo on this group buy but you could on the other one [took out the part with the link so jasforbes doesn't get his panties bunched, he must be working on an "extra discount" or something :lol: J/K] but It's the same brand of leather, there both katzkins? so what is the difference?not that I would pull out my CST leather and replace it or anything... Anyone know of a place to get your headrest stiched with a logo or sumthin? I also said
I am on the fence for heaters depending on the time frame [snip] what is the close date?But I am not yet on the list am I not worthy of sitting on the fence with the others? :( Any ending date in sight here yet?

PS HiFiGuy I appreciated you trying to help the commiunity and I appreciate the apology, but I think it was unnecessary.

In an effort to help you out, you'll see that the WRX logo being embroidered is a matter of legality. If your Subaru dealer orders the leather for you Subaru WRX they can give permission to use the copyrighted logo. That's the bottom line. However, if you do a search under the private or vendor (not sure which) classifieds for "head rest" or headrest" you will find a nice gentleman who will embroider: WRX, STi, SWRT, Honda, or whatever your heart desires.

I don't know about the close date though.

As far as HiFi, in my book he must be working for the other company or he wouldn't be persistent in swaying buyers and definitely wouldn't know their new price structure. It's also EXTREMELY f'n rude to steal someone else's thread not to mention, I'm sure, against the rules.

OK - tep - added you to the list

SoChaotic - my apologies, I must've just missed your name by accident - you have been added to the proverbial "fence" to perch yourself with other unsure individuals. PM me if you need the individuals name about the head rests - i've read nothing but good things about him. Excellent service, quality, and pricing.


As for a close date, your guess is as good as mine. It's only been open for 2 weeks, and we've never had one fill up that fast, so we're still on schedule. Basically, once we have a "SOLID," or damned near SOLID group of 20 committed buyers, we'll announce a close date, and begin placing orders. But if I had to guess, I'd say at least another week before we fill up - we're only at 12 people now, and 4 of em are on the fence.

Originally posted by CirrusWRX
As Eric had mentioned earlier, the LEATHER door inserts (upgrade) is probably not worth the hassle.

HOWEVER, I think you may be confused: You see, material for the door inserts is included, however, it is basically a big sheet of vinyl. You cut it to size, and blah blah blah, PITA install, blah blah blah.

So you guys who have the cool leather seats still have the flat blue/black woven door panels? Eeehhh... :(

Is this Group Buy still open?

I want leather seats, shift boot but I want the suede inserts....I am very concerned about the color match though...anyway to see this?

I also need an install kit with pliers.

thanks!

Originally posted by NeoteriX


So you guys who have the cool leather seats still have the flat blue/black woven door panels? Eeehhh... :(

No, they come with pleather for the door panels.

Dear Members,

I kind of skipped the logos post because I thought is was more of a comment than a question. To answer the logos question... the competition, if they are truly offering that WRX logo, is doing so ilegally. That is all there is to it. If that is how the competition is going to beat us so be it.

For those who want just the seat heaters you can go ahead and order those now at the discounted price.

The deluxe and premium leather kits both come with matching vinyl door inserts. They are much easier to install than the leather ones are, and once installed there is no advantage that I can see to having leather there. It wears worse and is more likely to peel up in my experience.

As for HiFi, I truly have no hard or ill feelings toward you. However, your words here are empty and meaningless to me. I believe you did start out with good intentions, I can tell that from reading your first posts both here and elsewhere. Sadly though, as you read on your posts and attitudes changed, shifted, even mutated it would seem. By the end of OUR POST, your actions/posts/PMs/ANONYMOUS PHONE CALLS were speaking volumes about your intentions to me and everyone here. I think that if you are honest with yourself you will agree.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

P.S. here is a pic of Stealth in Dark Graphite with Puddy inserts.

AntiochCali - Added you to the list - thanks!

And for those that missed it, apparently those of you who are JUST ORDERING SEAT HEATERS and NOTHING ELSE - can call in your orders to Eric at any time. When you do this, PLEASE PM/EMAIL me or post a note here that you placed your order with ERIC!

Originally posted by leatherseats.com
I kind of skipped the logos post because I thought is was more of a comment than a question. To answer the logos question... the competition, if they are truly offering that WRX logo, is doing so ilegally. That is all there is to it. If that is how the competition is going to beat us so be it.

When you offered the WRX logo on the 1st Group Buy (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93499&perpage=50&pagenumber=3) was it legal at that time or did you bend the rules there?

Dear WRXified,

As far as I know it was legal, but I only assume that because Katzkin allowed all of their installers to use it. I don't know what happened since then, but Katzkin put a stop to its use indefinately.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

I figured there was some stipulation to it. It gets confusing after a while with the copyright laws.

Believe me! Copyrights and licensing are my business! BTW, still awaiting swatches for final decision.

actually.. its not so much a copyright violation.. but more an issue with using a trademarked name/logo.

any 200-2001 RS owners that participate in the GB i am intersted in buying your stock rear seat fabric

if anyone is willn to part with the shoot me a pm or email

thanks jared

So far, haven't seen any RS people (I think...) but we usually have at least one or two by the end. I sold my stock covers to somebody who needed a set, and was glad to do it since they were just going to sit in my basement collecting mold.

Hi all,

Put me down 'on the fence' (will most likely jump off on to the right side if this GB hits the 20 mark pricing)...

Put me down for two heated seats also...

Now I need to spend my time figuring out colors and such! :)

Thanks!

- Hiro

Originally posted by jukes
I am in as a "fence sitter",
final decision will have to be made when an end date is announced.



Cirrus

My fence notation disapeared from the list. But I am still on the fence. I dont want to see/have/create a situation when we get to crunch time.

OK - Hirodude - basically, I've been telling people, you should pretty much plan on 20 people, that's what we've always had, and I see no reason why we would deviate from that now!

Jukes - Sorry about that - somebody must've knocked you off onto the "other side" - I picked you up and sat you right back on the very middle of the fence. :)

(thanks!)

I am a 2000 subaru sedan owner and interested in the group buy for the leather seats. Can you please answer me a few questions?
How hard is it to install the leather seats yourself?
Can i get this kit for my 2000 rs sedan car?
Can i back out of the deal if it comes out to be to much for me?
What will i need for my package inlcuding heated seats, the covers and intalling the covers?
What kind of embroideries can i get for my two front seats. ANy info that i can use will be much appreciated. I am still not sure about htis whole group buy.
ALso when is the last day to join the group buy?

Garrett

Cirrus, unfortunatly, I am out of this GB. I decided to save the money for my "big brake and Intercooler fund". Donations are welcomed :p

thanks
moe

Dear Garretwp,

1) The install is very straight forward, but also time consuming. The average do-it-yourselfer type should have no problems with the job.

2) YES

3) YES... just put your name down as on the Fence. If you back out after fully committing though, your buddies here will probably be very unhappy. Nothing wrong with being on the Fence though.

4) I was a little confused by that one. You will need Hog Ring Pliers, Hog Rings, and Upholstery Adhesive for the install of the seat heaters, seat covers, and door inserts. Let me know if I misunderstood.

5) Katzkin will still allow us to use the STi logo... we also do custom logos and monograms, but those are not FREE.

6) There is no set last day, but everyone that joins will speed up the close date by encouraging others to join in.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

Eric and Cirrus,

I am currently on the list for this group buy and am still in for making a purchase. Although I am very uncertain as to what color combo to go with. I am leaning toward the black with charcoal inserts. So my first question is. Do you feel that black and charcoal contrast enough to look good? Secondly, I was wondering about the color double stitching. I did like 78 searches and couldn't find a pic of some one with a kit in a wrx that had blue double stitching. So I guess my question is do you guys have any pics of blue double stitching and what would your opinion be on the black/charcoal combo with blue double stitching on a WRB WRX? Thanks for your time. Can't wait to place my order.

Chad:D

ChadrockPsu, I don't want to influence you too much and I know you didn't ask me, but what I would suggest if you wanted a contrast but nothing dramatic would be to get the Dark graphite (I don't think the black will look good since the interior isn't really black it is dark graphite itself) with maybe the platinum inserts. The platinum is a very nice darker grey, I was considering getting that color instead of the dove gray. Eric do you have any pictures of this color combo with the dark graphite and platinum? ChadrockPSU, I would suggest asking leatherseats for a whole bunch of swatches in all the darker colors, then sit in your car for a while with them in good lighting and pick the combo you like best, I also found photoshop to be helpful in letting me know what colors I wanted.

There is a nice picture of a suede install on the first page of this thread. Can anyone tell me what the options are in that install (ie colors, inserts, etc)? Do the rear seats have the suede? Does the suede effect the ease of install?

I decided to go a different way, I am ordering leather and suede Sparco Millano seats and having the local upholstery gods match the back seat to it. So heaters are no longer an option due to the extreme amount of money the other setup is costing! :eek:

I am going to be looking for a car for my wife probably another WRX (an auto) next summer and will be doing leather, heaters and massage in it for sure. Are you thinking about following your competition's lead and offering a sale rather than GB? I think it would go much smoother and you would have more interest. I don't know sounds logical to me.

I won't post a link but Leatherseatsguy, if you want to see what I mean check out the Vendor Reviews forum

Dear ChadRock,

I would go with Silvertoy on the not doing Black leather deal. However, I think you may want less contrast than the Platinum is going to give you. Though it is a BEAUTIFUL combo in my opinion, I feel you may want to go with something more subtle. The Dark Graphite and Charcoal combo will look ok, but the colors are very close. The next step down is Dark Graphite and Lt. Grey which may be a bit too much contrast. As far as the Blue Double stitching... I love the look. I will attach a pic.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

Dear ChadRock,

This is what Dark Graphite and charcoal might look like.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

Eric,
Thaks for your input on my questions and concerns. I just saw the pic of the Dark Graphite/Charcoal combo. Do you happen to have a pic of the Dark Graphite/Lt. Grey combo or Dark Graphite/Platinum combo.

I haven't even purchased anything form you guys yet but I can tell by the interactions on this page that you guys are true proffesionals when it comes to customer service.

Excited to get my Leather,
Chad

Dear Chad,

Thank you for your kind words... we do try our best to be the best and we definately feel that we are. This is what Dark Graphite and Lt. Grey looks like.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

How many people are currently in on the group buy?

Carlito

Eric,
Now that I got my mind made up, when can I order. I am so excited for this leather kit I can't hardly wait for it to come. Let us know when we can call and place an order.
Chad

Hi ChadRockPSU,

You say that you've made your mind up on colors - I'm curious what color combo you are going to go with? It sounds like you and I may have the same tastes - I too am looking for a base match to the interior (which I guess is Dark Graphite) and a slight but still noticeable contrasting color for the inserts...so I'm curious what you've decided upon.

Based on these latest photos (thanks Eric!), I think I'm liking the Dk Graphite/Lt Grey combo...

Just feelin' out what everyone else is doing...so hard to decide on these colors! :)

- Hiro

Hi guys - My apologees - I've been super busy at work and school today, and just got home, and have hardly had time to look at the thread and all that's gone on, so I've missed a BUNCH of questions - will address them tomorrow AM!

g'night!

How bad is the slipping and sliding around with the leather seats? I'd get suede, but I want a continuous color down the middle of the entire seat, not just an insert.

I'm planning on doing the inserts down too, it's called inserts/combo I think. So the top of the seat will be the darker color and from your shoulderblades down the insert will be whatever insert color you get, don't know if they'll do it for suede, but I can't see why not.

Hiro,

I think that I have decided on the Dark Graphite / Lt. Grey combo. I will also be getting blue double stitching. At first I kinda had my heart set on the Dark Graphite/ Pacific blue comboe but it just seems a little too wild for me and the wife. I want something that looks like it would have came with my car from the factory. I am also uncertain if I want the partial insert or the full length insert. I was also kicking around the idea of getting the full length inserts but excluding the headrests and kleeping them the Dark Graphite. Eventhough I said I had my mind made up, as you can tell I still have a few details to iron out. I hope I gave you some ideas.

ChadRock

Eric,

I know that I am being a pain in the a** but could you possible post a pic of a Lt. Grey Seat with full Dark Graphite centers and the opposite, Dark Graphite with full Lt. Grey centers. Thanks for all your help and patience.

ChadRock

Does anyone happen to know whos car this is? I am really liking this color combonation and can't quite seem to figure out what colors these are? Help me.

Chad

AAARg, that pictures' awesome, now I'm changing my mind, I was set on the graphite/dove gray but now I think I want the less contrast look w/ the inserts/combo.

OK - Here are some updates from me - hopefully I didn't miss anything, if so, just lemme know!

ChadRockPSU - Since your first question about the blue doublestitching, you can see the pics that Eric posted. And I will say the same thing again - Peaty posted pictures on Scoobymods.com (not his car) of somebody with a WRB car and blue inserts - definitely looks cool, but it's by all means not "laid back" - it's very "loud" (obviously) but looks great.

HOWEVER, the person also got black leather for the bolsters, and this is fine, however, as I have said before, and I'm not trying to force anybody into making a decision, but the DARK GRAPHITE matches the interior gray DAMNED NEAR PERFECTLY (IMHO). Now if you want something DIFFERENT, then by all means, go for it. But if you look at a lot of cars, esp. the BMW M Roadster, Audi S4 w/ alcantara centers, etc... you'll note that the "base color" of the seats match the rest of the interior and the "insert" colors are what make them unique. I'm no interior decorator, so take that with a grain of salt. FOR ME, I preferred to have "stock color" looking seats, with the ACCENT of the LIGHT GRAY centers - if you want to see what that looks like, look at the first page of this thread - that's my car. I can also email pics if anybody wants (I have some updated ones with the door panels finally completed).


There is a nice picture of a suede install on the first page of this thread. Can anyone tell me what the options are in that install (ie colors, inserts, etc)? Do the rear seats have the suede? Does the suede effect the ease of install?
Don' t know exactly, but Eric could probably tell. The rear setas would also have the suede if you choose that option, and the ease of install should not change a bit.

SoChaotic - Sorry to lose you, but I have you marked off now-- thanks

How many people are currently in on the group buy?
As of this moment, I see 13 confirmed - we had two people bail, unfortunately :( but I have no problem believing that we'll reach our 20 in short order.

when can I order. I am so excited for this leather kit I can't hardly wait for it to come. Let us know when we can call and place an order.
Hopefully as soon as we get our 20 confirmed orders! (maybe another week or so?)

How bad is the slipping and sliding around with the leather seats? I'd get suede, but I want a continuous color down the middle of the entire seat, not just an insert.
I'm sorry guys, I want to be dead honest - I have not taken part in an AutoX yet, but I think I have driven my car hard enough around now with the leather that I really think this comment is unwarranted - (not a flame at you or anything, as this is a VERY common question). If you keep your leather conditioned, you'll know that the first two days it is litterly "slippery" as the oils begin to be absorbed. But after about 3-5 days, they are just like normal seats. Unless you are a 75 pound 4'6" dude, you just don't slide around. The bolsters on the WRX are great, and if you have your seat in the proper position, you'll be just fine. If you are 300lbs 6'7" then you are already hanging over the seat on all sides anyway, so where are you going to slide?!?! :lol:

But seriously, I have driven VERY hard (enough to say, "yes as hard as in an AutoX) and have had some wonderful blasts in the snow, backroads, etc... and I've had my leather for almost 10,000 miles. You just don't slide! (IMO)

I know that I am being a pain in the a** but could you possible post a pic of a Lt. Grey Seat with full Dark Graphite centers and the opposite, Dark Graphite with full Lt. Grey centers. Thanks for all your help and patience.
I don't have the picture of the former, but the latter is my car to a "T"
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3283136

In one of the other GB's, somebody contemplated "reversing" the colors, and somebody photoshopped it and I'll be honest - it just looked weird. It honestly looked "backwards" and not a cool, "unique" backwards, a "whoa - that's messed up wrong" kinda backwards, but to each his own!

OK - I think I'm caught up - check the list - if you're not on it, let me know, and if I missed any questions, let me know!!

Originally posted by CirrusWRX
OK - Here are some updates from me - hopefully I didn't miss anything, if so, just lemme know!

ChadRockPSU - Since your first question about the blue doublestitching, you can see the pics that Eric posted. And I will say the same thing again - Peaty posted pictures on Scoobymods.com (not his car) of somebody with a WRB car and blue inserts - definitely looks cool, but it's by all means not "laid back" - it's very "loud" (obviously) but looks great.

HOWEVER, the person also got black leather for the bolsters, and this is fine, however, as I have said before, and I'm not trying to force anybody into making a decision, but the DARK GRAPHITE matches the interior gray DAMNED NEAR PERFECTLY (IMHO). Now if you want something DIFFERENT, then by all means, go for it. But if you look at a lot of cars, esp. the BMW M Roadster, Audi S4 w/ alcantara centers, etc... you'll note that the "base color" of the seats match the rest of the interior and the "insert" colors are what make them unique. I'm no interior decorator, so take that with a grain of salt. FOR ME, I preferred to have "stock color" looking seats, with the ACCENT of the LIGHT GRAY centers - if you want to see what that looks like, look at the first page of this thread - that's my car. I can also email pics if anybody wants (I have some updated ones with the door panels finally completed).



I bought the dark graphite with full pacific blue inserts in the 3rd GB, and although the combo is bolder than some, I wouldn't say it is "very loud." For some reason, Peaty's pictures show the blue a lot brighter than it really is. The look is by no means conservative, but in reality it is much more low key than it appears in Peaty's picture. When my wife, who was shocked by WRB-color when I picked up the wagon, saw the seat covers for the first time she thought the color looked nice (that shocked me!). I also got the STi stitched in blue so it doesn't stand out so much (as opposed to the pink which I contemplated).

As for the dark graphite, I definitely agree that this color is a great match for the rest of the interior, and would recommend this unless you want contrast between your seat and dash/carpet.

Put me on the list, I'll figure out the details in a few days.

Added you boom- thanks, and also thanks to SC WRX for your input! (Yeah, cameras can never capture the "real feel") - I bet that combo looks amazing!

ChadRock,

Thanks for the insight! I agree with you - I too am leaning heavily at Dk Graphite/Lt Grey...I think I'm leaning more on partial inserts (with perforation) instead of the full length of the seat for the Lt Grey part. If I do go full length, I too would keep the headrest out of the Lt Grey and leave that Dk Graphite.

I think I'm gonna go out to some car dealer lots this weekend and just look at various interiors to see if I can get further insight...

Decisions, decisions, decisions! :)

Thanks again!

- Hiro

Eric and Cirrus,
Would it all be possible to get some leather swatches so I might be able to finalize my color choices. I allready have the color sample folder, but the colors are not very accurate. What I am interested in are actual small oval shapped leather swatches from katzkin. If there would be a charge for these swatches just let me know. I just can't seem to come up with a good color combination and I am sure if I saw the real leather colors in the flesh I could figure something out.
Sincerely,
Chad

ChadRock - Don't see why not - but give Eric a call, since I'm not sure how often he gets to check the boards! (His number is on all his posts)

Got my leather and suede samples. I'll run the colors and combos by the wife tonight! Also the cobalt blue isn't quite as bright as the scan of the 6 suede swatches but it will look good. It's a little more muted like the picture below it. I'll slap it on my WRB paint tonight and take a shot if anyone can host it and post it.

Eric was kind enough to send me some samples. I have 4 leather samples (black, dark graphite, light grey and "some other" grey) and the cobolt blue suede. The cobolt blue suede is great!! and looks awesome. If I had to choose, it will definitly be blue suede , blue double stitching and dark gaphite!
So the first person to email me at mnasr78@hotmail.com with their mailing address, will get the samples mailed out to you!!
I figured this the least I can do for leather seats guys after I requested a sample but then backed out of this GB.

moe

Wow, I just noticed this latest group buy. The wife is on board, so all we have to do now is pick colors. I've PM'd Eric about the swatches I'd like to see. I live overseas, but hopefully I'll get the swatches before the deadline to place orders.

A couple of quick questions:

I noted that getting suede door inserts requires ordering an extra yard of suede. Is that enough for front doors and rear side panels (I have a MY 00 Coupe) and, if so, will it leave me any room for error?

I also noted there's a legal issue regarding embroidering Subaru's trademarked logos. Would this include the stylized "RS" letters with or without the "2.5" in front of it? I really like the logo Nick had on his car (attached below) and would like something similar - either the "RS" letters or perhaps "2.5 RS" (without the Impreza).

Lemme know. Cheers/Jim

Added you to the list TankSlapper! Thanks! I will let Eric handle the logo issue, as I really don't know, but I *think* it would fall under the same jurisdiction as the seats themselves.

**If anybody is interested in the WRX logo or the 2.5RS logo, PM me - Like the last 3 GB's, there IS another solution out there, and it has NOTHING to do with leatherseats.com.**

Also, we'll make sure you can get the samples, TankSlapper before you need to place your order! (My g/f just went over to Germany -- closer to you than we are, anyway!)

PS - There was a guy on here looking to buy stock 2.5RS cloth seat covers - check out a few pages back - you should hook up with him and see if you can make a deal!

**WE ARE AT 16 PEOPLE NOW** (2/16/03)

Ironic it occurred on February 16th?! Anyway, we're looking for at least 4 more people - if we get 10 more people, terrific, but you know what that means - I need to ask some of you "on the fence" people to start making a decision.

Could you let me know sooner than later please, whether you are in or out? You don't have to post on here if you don't want to, just send me an email or PM and I'll take your name off the list. Keep in mind, if you are concerned about payment, your CC doesn't get charged until the seats ship. The seats don't ship until about 2-3 weeks after we place orders. We probably won't begin placing orders for another 1-2 weeks. So it is somewhat of a safe bet that you wouldn't have to "worry" about PAYMENT for another 4 weeks or so (give or take).

As for "closing" the GB, if our "on the fencers" decide to jump to the GOOD side ;) then we only need 4 more people, and at the rate we're going, that could mean by the end of the week with an extra person or two!!!

Count me in for the leather seats, and on the fence for seat heaters. I can finalize color & style later right?

Originally posted by leatherseats.com
Dear Chaotic,

We do have the seat heater kits with the Square switches in limited supply... they are what is going to be ordered by most on this group buy.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

OK, I'm ready to come off the fence on to the side of 'DEFINITELY IN!' :)

I have a few more questions:

> My first question is with regards to the earlier quote above about the square switches being in 'limited supply' - Is there any danger of my order NOT receiving these square switches? I really want to mount these switches in the center console square mounting locations as others have done...

> Do we actually get to choose the color of the door panels? Or do they automatically get matched to one of the colors of the seats? I'm 99% sure I'm going with the Dk Graphite with Lt. Grey flat perforated inserts...So, would the door panels be Dk. Graphite? Or Lt. Grey? Do I have yet another difficult color decision to make? :eek:

> Same question for the color double stitching...Do I have to choose the color? Or is that done for me? Do folks just go for the stitching that would match the Dk. Graphite I'm getting for the base color? I have a silver wagon...do folks try to match that? I assume that might look a bit 'odd'? Any suggestions here?

Thanks again!

- Hiro

Originally posted by JasonRossSmith
Count me in for the leather seats, and on the fence for seat heaters. I can finalize color & style later right?
Added your name - thanks!! Yes - you don't have to finalize colors or styles until the final minute you place the order.


OK, I'm ready to come off the fence on to the side of 'DEFINITELY IN!'
updated your name - welcome! hehehe

My first question is with regards to the earlier quote above about the square switches being in 'limited supply' - Is there any danger of my order NOT receiving these square switches? I really want to mount these switches in the center console square mounting locations as others have done...
ERIC - PLEASE CHIME IN ON THIS (My guess is that you should not be worried about this, but I'll let Eric make the final decision)

Do we actually get to choose the color of the door panels? Or do they automatically get matched to one of the colors of the seats? I'm 99% sure I'm going with the Dk Graphite with Lt. Grey flat perforated inserts...So, would the door panels be Dk. Graphite? Or Lt. Grey? Do I have yet another difficult color decision to make?
It is my understanding that for the door panels, you can get it in either color choice of your seat-color choices. So in your example, if you went with Dk Grphite with Lt Gray perf, you could get your door panels in either Lt. Gray perf (I'm 99% sure about the perf, but certainly the lt gray) OR you could go with the graphite. Your choice. Another example, if you got black seats with red center section, your door panel material could either be black or red. Does that make sense?

Same question for the color double stitching...Do I have to choose the color? Or is that done for me? Do folks just go for the stitching that would match the Dk. Graphite I'm getting for the base color? I have a silver wagon...do folks try to match that? I assume that might look a bit 'odd'? Any suggestions here?
It is my understanding that you can get ANY color doublestitching of your choice. I believ one person wants to go with Blue double-stitching, but they may not use any blue in their seat-cover choices. Similar to the way the STi "red" stitching on the shift knobs and e-brake handles. It is my belief that you can get any colored "double stitching" offered by leatherseats.com, but I'll let Eric confirm.

Dear Members,

Well, I have some catching up to do.

ChadRock... I could not find a pic of any interior with the reversed colors you want to see. We rarely do anything like that, but I suppose it could look nice if done right.

Seat heaters... There is NO CHANCE that you won't get what you order with our company.

You choose the color of the door inserts... they come in the wrap or outside color unless you request that they match the insert color.

The standard double stitch color is matching thread... you can have it contrast in any of our leather colors. Be aware that the thread is very small and so in order to really notice it you will want to choose a brighter color. I posted a pic earlier of the Pacific doubld stitching... that was photochopped, but it gives you the idea of the contrast. Also, lighting will affect the tone of the stitched thread and change the appearance of the color. The two most popular choices are Red and Blue hands down.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

Any chance of being able to just get the door inserts?

The reason i ask is cause I have no back seat and a set of black sparcos on the way. So I just wanted some plane black door inserts.

We can sell you a yard of vinyl in whatever color you want for $15.00. That is enough to do all 4 doors.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

How hard is it to install the door inserts? Is it worth just having an installer do it?

Check out my PDF on the installation of the door panels. Nothing in this kit is really "hard" - just time consuming. Patience is a virtue, and will pay dividends in this case. If you are somebody who "has to rush things" then the door panels might be a PITA. It basically consists of taking them off, then melting the plastic rivets to separate the top portion from the bottom. Then remove the old blue stuffis, cut to rough size the new stuffis, then use the spray adhesive, apply the new stuffis, trip and fit to size, REmelt the plastic rivets and put the panel back on. Sounds easy in writing, but probably takes between 30-45 minutes per door panel until you start gettin good at it.

I have injured my back and will be out of work for a while so I shouldn't be spending more money right now...I'll have to get in on a future one. Sorry about that.

Larry

Sorry to hear that - hope you're on your way to recovery larryg!

CirrusWRX,
I've got a 2004 WRX on order. They have a different seat than my old 02. Can I get leather seats with this group buy?

Hmmmm... gonna have to send that one back to Eric, as I know they can only offer the GB on the patterns that they have currently, *BUT* since Katzkin *MIGHT* sell to over-seas vendors, and the new body style has been out for a few months now, they just might have the new covers available - I'll let Eric field the final answer though.

Edit: just another thought to Eric - not sure if SuperRuWRX would want to go for this, but could he get in on this GB, mail in his payment, and then if the pattern isn't created YET, the instant they do have it, they can send him his leather? (Since he probably won't even get the car for another few months or so...)

just a thought, again, not saying you HAVE to go for it SuperRu

I like your train of thought. I wouldn't mind being the guinea pig on the new seats.

Dear SupeRuWRX,

We already have the pattern for the Euro WRX STi with the High Back Sport buckets. I assume that is what you are referring to here. I believe that the normal WRX Sedan and Wagon will maintain the Low Back Sport Buckets until 2007 though.

If you join now... you wil get the GB price when the car is delivered!

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

WOW! :eek:

Sounds like a pretty good deal if anybody else is in the same boat. You could get in on this GB, then the DAY you pick up your car (or as soon as you know what color, or style seats we get, etc...) you could place your order and have them in short, um, order. (hehe - too many orders...)

Do the shift boots have the little grommet on the end to fit the stock shift knob? I only ask because I'm getting a kartboy shift knob and it comes with the lip that the grommet on the boot would slip over. If the new boot does not come w/ the grommet, take me off of the shift boot list... I can't wait to place my order, although I still haven't figured out if I want dark graphite/dove gray or dark graphite/ and a dark gray. Who knows. My friends are no help, I've photoshopped every color combo I can think of and still I don't know.... :lol:

Silvertoy,
I am intersted in the same color combos that you are. I am still up in the air as too which combo to get. Would it be possible for you to email your photoshop photos of the various color combinations to me? My email address is cpeters@hanovereng.com.
Thanks,
ChadRock:alien:

Originally posted by ChadRockPSU
Silvertoy,
I am intersted in the same color combos that you are. I am still up in the air as too which combo to get. Would it be possible for you to email your photoshop photos of the various color combinations to me? My email address is cpeters@hanovereng.com.
Thanks,
ChadRock:alien:

Chad, I mailed out the samples to you yesterday so you should be getting them in the next couple of days...You should seriously consider the Blue Suede with Dark graphite!

Lehigh,

Thanks again. I am considering the blue Suede. I just have soooo many ideas in my head right now it is hard to deside what I should get.

Chad:confused:

Originally posted by ChadRockPSU
Lehigh,

Thanks again. I am considering the blue Suede. I just have soooo many ideas in my head right now it is hard to deside what I should get.

Chad:confused:

Once you see the blue suede in person, you are going to love it! The color is perfect, not too bright and feels great! Eric and leatherseats guys really hit the mark with the blue suede.

I will now, re-ask my boot question and provide a free bump...

Eric;

Earlier in this thread you attached a picture of some Honda Prelude seats with inserts on the seat backs but full centers on the seat bottoms. Can I order my WRX seat covers like this or do I have to choose inserts or centers for both the seat backs and bottoms?

Dear Members,

You have 3 options...

Two-Tone inserts
Two-Tone centers
Two-Tone inserts combo(new addition)

I will attach a pic of the inserts combo option. Granted it is photo chopped, but it should give you the idea... the insert color basically runs out to the end of the seat cushion.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

Dear SilverToy...

Sorry, I missed this question earlier. The shift boots do not come with the plastic ring attached... you re-use the factory one from the factory boot. It is not hard to do though.

As far as color... if you are that torn between the different options I would guess that whatever you go with in that range of two-tone you will like.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

Just to add fuel to the color debates going on...

I've been playing with the leather swatches Eric mailed me in various lighting conditions. I am definite getting the flat, non-perf'd insert combo with black bolsters, but still deciding on the insert color.

I have a Silver '03 WRX and the bolsters on the cloth seats are definitely black. I agree that dark graphite is an exact match for the interior, but personally I like the contrast of the black bolsters against the dark graphite interior.

As for my insert color I am waffling between charcoal and light grey. In bright sunlight I like the charcoal, but in other lighting conditions the light grey seems better. Argggh! Also, IMHO the difference in brightness between the dark graphite/light grey combo is about the same as the difference betwen black/charcoal.

Hello,

It seems like the GB is still open, and I am very interested. I am going to pick up a Silver Wagon today. However, I will still have to sell it to the spouse, so please put me down as on the fence.

Thanks,
Bill

P.S. This is my first post on this board - I look forward to many more.

Please mark me down as interested in the GB, I don't have time to look at it right now but will later tonight... Would possibly be for leather seats and seat heaters. :D

Cheers,
-loki

Welcome to the forums Wbarber, and congrats on the new wagon!!!! (You know, I hear silver is the BEST possible color you can get ;) heheheh)

I marked you down as "on the fence" - check out the thread, and the earlier ones for pictures and stuffl.


Loki - THanks - added you to the list for now, and just let me know when you make a decision.

Don't mean to be a pain but I have to make sure... when you say it's not hard to switch the grommet from the stock boot to the new one, is it simple as popping it out and popping it into the new one, or will I need to cut it out of the old one and use adhesive to re-secure it? Just making sure.

I am on the fence, but very close to saying yes. There are a number of upgrades I am considring right now (check all of my other threads:lol: ) but the wife and I have wanted leather since we got the car. The dealer wants $1000, though, and that it too high. A few questions:

1)I have black, which has a blue tone in sunlight. Are their any suede inserts that are very dark blue, say a cobalt? I plan to leave the door trim stock, so a blue that would match it would be great. If not, I would prob be in for the drk graphite/lt grey combo.

2) two tone is included, but inserts are extra. What is two tone without inserts?

3) Are the options per seat, or for all? If I want suede, its it $85X4?


P.S. Does this help to get rid of that nasty ruber smell Subarus have? I have never been in a new car with such an odd smell
Thanks,
Andrew

I've already confirmed I'm in for the seats and that has not changed. I do have a some questions though that I did not see addressed in the thread (sorry if they're there and I just missed them).

1)I like the dark graphite/lt grey that everyone is talking about, can I get that but have the entire headrest dark graphite? I don't personally care for the way the lt grey looks on the head rest.

2) Does the double stiching offer any structual advantage? I.E. does it make the seam in the leather more durable? I don't really have a preference for the double stiching on looks, but would want it for strength if it made a difference.

3) Do the seat heaters plug into existing wiring or does wiring need to be run? Also can I "confirm" the square/rectangular switches for the heated seats? If I can conifrm that I would get those switches that fit almost perfectly in the center console (it was mentioned they are availible in limited supply) that would 99% move me off the fence to a definate yes on seat heaters as well.

I'm new to the group and not real good at navigating yet so if I should have sent this as a private message, please accept my appologies in advance.


Thanks,

Jason

I'm scrummaging around for money right now, but when is the last possible date to get in on this group buy? I'd love to save money because I'd only buy it if we get 20+ or more. THanks!

Derek

Can someone let me know if this gb is still open? Also if it is, how many are we confirmed with? I need to order some stuff but if this is still open I would like to get in. Thanks

OK - I'll try and clear some things up, but our last 3 people are making things kinda "difficult" in the GOOD way!!!

First and foremost, there are 3 people on this page ALONE that have not signed up "officially" but say they are interseted. If the 3 of you DO sign up, we potentially have 21 people and can pretty much close the GB whenever. I guess what I'm saying, is:

IF WE GIVE EVERYBODY UNTIL THE END OF THIS WEEK, ie FEB 28, and ALLOW PEOPLE TO BEGIN PLACING ORDERS ON MONDAY MARCH 3rd, WILL THIS WORK?

Originally posted by ATB
I am on the fence, but very close to saying yes.

1)I have black, which has a blue tone in sunlight. Are their any suede inserts that are very dark blue, say a cobalt? I plan to leave the door trim stock, so a blue that would match it would be great. If not, I would prob be in for the drk graphite/lt grey combo.

2) two tone is included, but inserts are extra. What is two tone without inserts?

3) Are the options per seat, or for all? If I want suede, its it $85X4?


P.S. Does this help to get rid of that nasty ruber smell Subarus have? I have never been in a new car with such an odd smell
Thanks,
Andrew
1. I don't know if the suede has a color THAT dark blue - just not sure, but Eric can answer that one

2. Inserts are NOT extra I believe. Two tone is the entire center section of the seats a different color, inserts are basically just your butt and lowe back a different color.

3. The options are for all - if you want suede, it's the regular price + $85.00 - that's suede on all 4 seats.

Sounds good to me! :D

-ChadRock

20+ people, sure I'm ready.

If we get 25 by the end of the week we save another $10 on shipping!!!!

Cirrus,

Sorry to say i must fall off the fence and wait for the next one. Just cant get it together at this point. Too many other obligations.

Maybe another time.
Greg

I may want to get it this, just need to sell my POS mazda first.

Dear Silver,

When I say easy I mean no sewing. You do have to use some super glue. I would take me all of 3 minutes to do though.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

Dear ATB

1. Our Navy Suede is a very very dark blue... it almost looks black.

2. I guess I am confused by your confusion. I will try to explain everything here. Two-tone is free PERIOD. You can order it in inserts, inserts combo, or centers. Inserts is where your lower back and butt are. Inserts combo places the color from the middle of your back out to the bottom or end of the seat cushion. Two-tone centers goes all the way up and down the center of the seat, headrest to bottom.

3. The suede upgrade price is for all 4 seat inserts.

Dear Jason,

1. We can only do it in the ways you see in the pics. If you want the headrests done differently you will have to order an extra set on the side. They are normally $85.00 per pair... with the GB they are $50.00 per pair.

2. All the kits have the double stitched seams, otherwise known as a French seam. The color double stitching option is just a cosmetic one... you can change the color of the stitching for a further accent.

3. The seat heaters come with their own wiring. It is very simple though. The seat heater switches fit great in the factory knock out locations of the Imprezas.

Thanks,
Eric
1-866-639-7328 ext 104
www.leatherseats.com

5 more people by the weekend is possible, but I find it'll be hard to come by. Also, what we usually do is offer a "rolling" order period, so the dopes who sat on their tuffets until the last possible second can still place an order - if we get 5 of those people, then leatherseats.com will automatically deduct $10.00 shipping, so it's a good situation no matter what.

Let's plan on having a solid 20 people by the end of this week, and start ordering on Monday March 3, 2003. The seat covers usually take 2-3 weeks to make (I believe) plus shipping time, another 3-5 days depending on where you live, when you placed your order, etc... PAYMENT DOES NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL THE SEATS SHIP, HOWEVER, don't play a betting game that "I'll have it in 3 weeks and 5 days, so I don't need to worry about it..." But you do have at least a week, plus whatever time before they ship, before you really need to have money (assuming you place your order next Friday - the last possible day to place an order!)

Does this sound cool? A few have already responded "YES" so I'm thinking it is :)

Thanks for the quick service, Eric! Here's hoping the install is as quick and easy as getting the heaters! :D

Alex

File this post away for future reference re door insert installation (sorry, but no pictures):

I was involved in the 3rd group buy, but only got around to installing my door inserts on Saturday. They came out fine, but took a lot of time. Since I borrowed heavily from CirrusWRX and others in the various posts in installing them (and my seats for that matter), I thought it only right to give you 5th GB prospects the benefit of my experience:

First, since I basically followed CirrusWRX instructions listed on page 1 of this thread, I'll only mention where I deviated from his instructions.

Regarding cutting the insert material:

In his instructions, Cirrus cuts the material with some overlap of the door all around, then cuts tabs and folds them over the edges. For me, I found it easier to pre-cut the material by using the OEM blue material inserts as stencils, tracing, then cutting. There are two holes in each of the OEM inserts which you can cut out then use as a guide to place them on the door.

The OEM patterns will only overlap on one side, but that's OK since you only need overlap on the side where the