Minimum of 25 people for the Group Buy for the LHD STI Headlights & leveling switch and harness

Price on the headlights and leveling switch/harness is $950 shipped.

MUST MAKE A MIN 400.00 DIPOSIT

Payment can be made 2 ways paypal or cashiers check/money order.

Paypal payments $25 handling charge

No refunds or cancellations once payment is sent.

Will order the lights on 4/15/03

You will recive them the first week of May 03

Paypal ID is xpressmotorworks@cs.com

or send payments to:

Xpressmotorworks
460 Myrtle #119
Glendale Ca 91203


1.raman m
2.Stephen K
3.Joseph G
4.Phillip C
5.Dmitry Z
6.Charlie A
7.Logan
8.Taber W
9.felix w
10.Abhi F
11.Anthony L
12.Scott S
13.Patrick M
14.Kevin Y D
15.Kalayan B
16.Dave M
17.
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.
24.
25.


Thanks

Mike

Please e-mail your contact info xpressmotorworks@cs.com

Can you get just the pnp leveling switch? If so how much? Also are they ready to ship right now?

WOW you are killing me on this one! i don't need to spend anymore money on this car!! :p

how long before delivery? please email me at tobey457@attbi.com

thanks!

They will be 3 weeks after last person has paid


Yes we do have the switch/harness in stock but sorry cant sell them separately they are for those who purchase the lights

Thanks Mike

another question about the 'harness' is this the harness for the leveling switch, the harness for bulbs or both?

the harness is for both the switch and the bulb


Thanks Mike

Just emailed ya with a few questions, like how much to ship to Canada. Oh yeah, are these the smoke or chrome projectors? I'm also assuming non-HID because of the low price.

so i guess this group buy isn't going to happen.

Guys this Group buy is still good I get allot of e-mail asking me that So I just wanted to let everyone know that this group buy is open and we need people to step up and get this going.

Thanks Mike

I believe there are people that are doubting the legitimacy of this Vendor.

I would like to add that i know Mike on a personal and business level and highly recommend him and his organization.

So guys you know you want this setup so sign up.

Cheers,

Gary

WRX MotorWorks

i will be in only if the payment is not in full. i will do it based on somesort of deposit. i know i will feel better if it is done like this.
PM me if you want to work something out Mike

HID or non-hid?

NON DID

THANKS MIKE

So is it $950 plus $25 for paypal? $975 total? Also I wanted to make sure too that the headlight housing is black and not chrome

yes the price is 975.00 with paypal

and the housing is black

Thanks Mike

Sounds like a good deal, been looking for these forever. Sign me up as #1, my deposit is being paypal'd now.

-- Steve

Ok Guys I think that was the ice breaker lets sign up to get this GB on the way.

Thanks Mike

I thought the price was kind of steep, but then realized you are also giving the leveling switch and harness, so its not a bad deal. Are the switch and harness subaru OEM parts or are they custom made?

The switch is OEM the harness is made to plug right in to the existing harness.

Thanks Mike

Hey Mike just sent you payment, please sign me up!

Since I am in So Cal, how much would I save in shipping costs (and risk of breakage during shipping) by picking them up from you?

For Pick up i will wave the shipping cost witch is 25.00
so for pick up it will be 950.00

Mike,

What happens if not enough people sign up for this GB? How will you refund the payment sent to you?

Thanks,
Anthony

Trust me there will be enough people just look at the other GB

Make shure you send the payment with paypal that way its easear to track who paid.

Thanks Mike

I think you might have better luck filling this Group Buy if you took 25 names first, then accepted their deposits. I, for one, am wary about giving up $400 non-refundable to be #3, waiting indefinitely for 22 others to join in, just so I can wait another 6-8 weeks thereafter for lights to ship from Europe.

That's just my suggestion.

I would tend to agree, assuming the 25 all commit to the purchase of course.

We need people to sigh up so others will to if everyone waits for others to sign up first it will take long and eventually the group buy will not happen

One more thing is you guys are saving around 80.00 and I don’t think any other vender will do this type of group buy with out some sort of deposit, if not payment in full.

Thanks Mike

And its not a huge hit to the wallet at one time too.... $400 now and the rest will be down the road. Most of the other ones I've seen on here require you to do the payment all at once

Here is a new list of people that have paid


1.SLKWrx
2.Wraith
3.Joseph Grace


Thanks

Mike

Ok Guys we are going to work something out so people sigh up For a limited time

The complete package
1. STI LHD HEADLIGHT
2. LEVELING SWITCH & HARNESS

FOR A LIMITED TIME OFFER 875.00 SHIPPED YOU save 75.00


This offer expirees 03/07/03


Thanks Mike

Wow, no comments on this price reduction? This is a pretty amazing price for LHD lights, leveller, and harness.

xpressmotorworks should talk to the admin to edit the subject line on this thread. Some people that might have given up on this GB will surely be interested at this new price.

So do the 3 of us already signed up get this great deal too?

Guys I think this new pricing is really working I had 8 people that are sending deposits

Guys get the word out there

Thanks Mike

Awesome, the people should start rolling in now! Come on everyone, I can't wait for these.

-- Steve

If we're sending money orders, if it's postmarked by the March 7th, do we get the lower price?

Also, sent a PM :)

Originally posted by mtb_dude
If we're sending money orders, if it's postmarked by the March 7th, do we get the lower price?

Also, sent a PM :)

I second that question!

With that price, I think u got another buyer, Someone PM me the payment info please!!!!

Sent an email.

Phillip Casha

deposit is sent.:D :disco:

Hey Mike,

2 Questions. Would you be so kind as to post an updated list of how many people are on board? Also, after we hit the 25 mark, how long do you estimate for getting the lights to you, and then shipped out?

-- Steve

OK GUYS IF YOU ARE SENDING MONEY ORDER I NEED TO HAVE IT IN MY HAND BY NEXT WEDNESDAY 03/12/03 THAT IS A WEEK FROM TODAY OR JUST SEND THE DEPOSIT BY PAYPAL

AND YES TO THOSE THAT HAVE SENT THE DEPOSIT BEFORE THE 03/07/03 WILL GET THE NEW PRICE

So if I send my $400 deposit in by tomorrow, I can send in another $475 next friday, the 14th to buy the lights?

Originally posted by Code-7
So if I send my $400 deposit in by tomorrow, I can send in another $475 next friday, the 14th to buy the lights?

YES THAT WILL WORK

THANKS MIKE

I will be sending my deposit today. Add me to the list as "Deposit in Transit", and let's see how close we are to 25!

sending deposit today

will you do more of these?
i wont have that much cash til summer
:(

Hey Mike,

I had to verify my bank account on paypal and it's going to take 2-3 days as of yesterday 03.06, is there anyway I can pay you via credit card if I called later this morning? I'll pay the $400 now via credit card and the remainding $475 via paypal later. Let me know what you think asap, I know you're on a deadline. Thanks!

Logan

PS - How many do you have so far?

Hi Mike,

I just Paypal'd you the deposit. Thanks.

Faux STi RS here I come. :disco:

Hey Mike,

Sent the deposit via Paypal. No need to answer my last post above.

How many more people do we need til it's a go? Thanks.

Logan

I just sent you the deposit PayPal.

Taber

I also just sent the deposit with Paypal.

Any chance we can get an update on how many are currently signed up?

Thanks,
Felix

Am I too late for the $875 shipped with leveling motor and harness? I need an update on how many people you have and when the est. arrival time will be.

Thanks

z

Same here, I need a few details. Basically I am ready to jump in provided this looks smooth. Let us know and the $$$ will be enroute :)!!

Another thing, and no offense xpressmotorworks, but I have never heard of you and have never heard from anyone who has actually made a transaction with you. Does anyone know anything about this vendor?

Not meaning to insult, but this is a substantial amount of money to trust to a complete stranger.

WRXMotorWorks vouched for him on the first page of this thread, and he is a proven vendor on the headlight group buys

That's cool... didn't want to be rude, and I read the whole thread and must have missed that part :p . I will see what I can do about getting some funds together today. If I know I will reply later tonight.:disco:

Yeah I kinda wondered too, but between the recommendation and the fact that you only have to put $400 now instead of the whole thing like other group buys, I felt better

Ok Guys here is a list of people that I have deposits from
I know there is more people that are sending MO as soon as I get then I will updated the list again.


1.raman mishra
2.Stephen Kado
3.Joseph Grace
4.Phillip Casha
5.Richard Sierra
6.Tuan Vantu
7.Logan
8.Taber West
9.felix wong

Thanks Mike

PM'd you xpressmotorworks

Can take credit cards, since there is a $25 feed for using paypal?

Well, I am game, but the post is losing momentum... Is this deal still a go? I am interested, but where are the latest details??

Losing momentum? 6 people signed up within the last week, and more deposits are in the mail waiting to get to the seller. Its actually gotten stronger since he offered the lower price

Guys this is still going its going to go till there is no one else left send you deposits by paypal so you can get the new price.





Here is a update of the list.

1.raman mishra
2.Stephen Kado
3.Joseph Grace
4.Phillip Casha
5.Richard Sierra
6.Tuan Vantu
7.Logan
8.Taber West
9.felix wong
10.Abhi Freyer
11.David Masutani


Thanks Mike

so your saying this might take awhile?

I'm very interested in this group buy. One question--if the headlights arrive with damage from shipping, are we covered? Will we get replacement lights? Mike--PM'd you.

Yes you will be covered the shipping includes insurance

Thanks Mike

Sweet, you rock Mike!

Lets go fellas, the sooner we get the orders filled the sooner we get our lights.

Logan

Yes, the car show season is upon us. The sooner we get all spots filled the better. This is a great deal guys, I haven't seen one this good yet

Is the price back up to $950? I am still thinking about it but I would only be able to do the $875.

Sorry about not replying this weekend Mike, I had a loss in the family and needed to leave town abruptly. Please let me know what the pricing is now and if it is a limited time deal.

Great GB though!

I keep seeing sales for LHD lights, but haven't found anyone that can show me a part number that is different than the RHD projectors.

Mike, can you demonstrate that these are actually LHD? Some factory marking, or part number that I can verify would go along way to getting me on board.

Thanks

This thread shows the beam pattern of the LHD lights.
STi LHD (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=305105&highlight=STi+LHD+lights)
(pic's in the middle of the thread)
The light projection on the right side is noticeably higher than on the left side - as it should be for US cars.

Now here's the beam pattern for the JDM STi HID's. (I'm assuming the the HIDs have relatively similar patterns as standard projectors - I could be wrong)
STI JDM HIDs (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=323319&highlight=STi+LHD+lights)
(second pic from the top)
The light's noticeably higher on the left side. This would be appropriate for countries with RHD cars, where road signs would normally be situated on the left side of the road. In North America, that's where oncoming traffic is, so unless you aimed them really low (reducing their effective range) RHD lights would shine directly at oncoming traffic.

Felix

Originally posted by Sophocles
I keep seeing sales for LHD lights, but haven't found anyone that can show me a part number that is different than the RHD projectors.

Mike, can you demonstrate that these are actually LHD? Some factory marking, or part number that I can verify would go along way to getting me on board.

Thanks

I thought I saw a post once where the EDM part number was listed, but I did a search and couldn't find it. Suffice it to say, there are documented differences.

For example, the STi is sold in Switzerland, Germany, and several other European countries which are LHD countries. So, just by that fact, you know that STi headlights are sold for LHD cars.

Next, there are the differerences between the LHD and RHD lights. As mentioned by Flyboy, the beam pattern is different. The RHD lights are aimed to shine higher to the right, which is fine in Japan/UK/Aust, but would blind oncoming traffic in the US. That is why many in the US won't buy the RHD lights.

Also, the Euro LHD STi lights have a leveller motor contained within the lights. The JDM RHD non-HID STi lights do not have the leveller. Therefore, the fact that xpressmotorworks is selling the leveller switch with the lights means that you are getting the LHD lights.

Finally, the Euro LHD STi lights are the only STi lights that are DOT approved. That should be indicated somewhere either on the light or on the box.

If you have any lingering doubts as to whether there are any differences between LHD and RHD STi lights, just look through the other LHD group buy threads, or do searches.

So, now that you know there are tangible differences, you no longer have an excuse not to join in this group buy!

Here is a new list

1.raman mishra
2.Stephen Kado
3.Joseph Grace
4.Phillip Casha
5.Richard Sierra
6.Tuan Vantu
7.Logan
8.Taber West
9.felix wong
10.Abhi Freyer
11.David Masutani
12.Scott Shimkus
13.Patrick Murray
14.Kevin Y Deng

Thanks Mike

For all those that said they are going to sigh up and have not done so please sigh up so we can get these ordered,

We are almost to the end of this GB Don’t miss on this Great opportunity.

Paypal ID is xpressmotorworks@cs.com

Or send payments to:

Xpressmotorworks
460 Myrtle #119
Glendale Ca 91203


Thanks Mike

Here is a new list

1.raman mishra
2.Stephen Kado
3.Joseph Grace
4.Phillip Casha
5.Richard Sierra
6.Tuan Vantu
7.Logan
8.Taber West
9.felix wong
10.Abhi Freyer
11.David Masutani
12.Scott Shimkus
13.Patrick Murray
14.Kevin Y Deng
15.Kalayan Bilobran

Thanks Mike

For all those that said they are going to sigh up and have not done so please sigh up so we can get these ordered,

We are almost to the end of this GB Don’t miss on this Great opportunity.

Paypal ID is xpressmotorworks@cs.com

Or send payments to:

Xpressmotorworks
460 Myrtle #119
Glendale Ca 91203


Thanks Mike

does anyone know if these are HID? I assume these are top of the line if it's LHD with a leveling switch and harness.

Non-HIDs, sez so on the 1st page of this thread. :)

Besides HIDs are ungodly expensive, close to a couple thousand easy. You're better off getting these lights + an aftermarket HID kit. Hint Hint. :)

Does anyone know how would u set up hid in these lights? Since the housings are different?

Price clarification?

I saw the $875 listed as until 3/7 then I saw another post with the quote "Guys this is still going its going to go till there is no one else left send you deposits by paypal so you can get the new price".

So the question I have is.....


....is the price $950 or $875?

Thanks much!

babyblue, it is my understanding that it's just an H1 bulb(low beam). So just like any other HID conversion, take out the halogen and pop in the HID, direct replacement into the housing. H1 is a common size that any HID manufacturer should carry

Originally posted by ZillaWRX
Price clarification?

I saw the $875 listed as until 3/7 then I saw another post with the quote "Guys this is still going its going to go till there is no one else left send you deposits by paypal so you can get the new price".

So the question I have is.....


....is the price $950 or $875?

Thanks much!

I suggest you e-mail or PM Mike at xpressmotorworks. See page 1 of this thread.

Man, we're only 10 more people away. Please sign up people! They look frikkin gorgeous:
http://www.cc-b.com/images/GDA/jdm_wrx-headlights.jpg

Thanks Wraith, I just did now!

You just converted your Projectors to HID?

Sorry, in my usual haste I used your "name" instead of SC WRC whom I was thanking for telling me to contact on page one.

sorry for confusion.

Wish I did the HID though!

I might sign-up just waiting for xpressmotorworks to reply on my email.


Xplosive

Can someone please speak a bit about how hard it is to wire these? Do they match up to what I have for the stock lights? Do they need a different harness?

Also- I'd love to hear a confirmation of the $875 price to help me decide.

They come with the harness and the leveller switch, so installation should be simple and will not require wire splicing. Contact Mike at xpressmotorworks regarding pricing.

OK Guys since we are so close to getting 25 people the Price will stay 875.00 till 03/21/03

Hope this will get us the 10 more we need to order the lights

NOTE: Those who pay in full will get priority and will get the first set of lights

Thanks Mike

Paypal 900.00 xpressmotorworks@cs.com

MO/ Cashiers check

Xpressmotorworks
460 Myrtle #119
Glendale Ca 91203

how much is shipping to Canada? Thanks! :)

I just emailed you xpressmotorworks. I would like to get a pair of the lights.

Chris

Is this group buy still going? I would be very interested in joining.

Yes this is most definitely still going

xpress, PM'ed you

Mike, PM'd you.

I sent you my payment via paypal Mike. Please PM me to confirm you have received it. Thanks!

please check your PM... thanks! :)

So, how many people do we have now?

Taber

Here is a new list

1.raman mishra
2.Stephen Kado
3.Joseph Grace
4.Phillip Casha
5.Richard Sierra
6.Tuan Vantu
7.Logan
8.Taber West
9.felix wong
10.Abhi Freyer
11.David Masutani
12.Scott Shimkus
13.Patrick Murray
14.Kevin Y Deng
15.Kalayan Bilobran
16.Anthony Lam
17. Charlie Acoba

Thanks Mike


Guys sorry for not replying sooner I was having trouble with my Internet connection.

We have one more person that sent money for all those who have emailed me or PM im very sorry it took so long to get back to you guys THIS GB IS STILL OPEN THE PRICE IS 875.00 WITH MO OR 900.00 WITH PAYPAL CANADA ADD 10.00 EXTRA FOR SHIPPING


Thanks Mike

Paypal xpressmotorworks@cs.com

MO/ Cashiers check

Xpressmotorworks
460 Myrtle #119
Glendale Ca 91203

Just sent out PayPal payment in full Mike, check PM and Email. Thanks! :D

Very excited to see this come through, how many spots left till the order goes out?

-- Steve

Come on people, we just need a few more spots filled!!!

Bumpity Bump Bump

Mike,

pm'd you.

Logan

Nice Logan!!

xpressmotorworks PM'ed you

Nice NineGrand!!!

Nice Tyrannosarus Rex!!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

xpressmotorworks, NOTE: Those who pay in full will get priority and will get the first set of lights

Is this true? So if I pay the balance now do I get bumped up the list? Clarification please.

OH MAN I NEED THESE!!

bleh. I wish I had money.

Vostok 7

Mike,

Sent you an email, and a bump

-- Steve

Originally posted by xpressmotorworks
OK Guys since we are so close to getting 25 people the Price will stay 875.00 till 03/21/03

Hope this will get us the 10 more we need to order the lights

NOTE: Those who pay in full will get priority and will get the first set of lights

Thanks Mike

Paypal 900.00 xpressmotorworks@cs.com

MO/ Cashiers check

Xpressmotorworks
460 Myrtle #119
Glendale Ca 91203

It's the last call for alcohol!

Mike, are you closing up the group buy yet? I say you set a drop dead date for payment in full and put your call in to Switzerland (or Germany, or wherever you are getting these from).

Originally posted by SC WRX

Mike, are you closing up the group buy yet? I say you set a drop dead date for payment in full and put your call in to Switzerland (or Germany, or wherever you are getting these from).

I agree that it should be soon....it has been more than a month since the thread was started.

- Logan

Originally posted by SLKWrx
Mike,

Sent you an email, and a bump

-- Steve

Nice SLK!!!
Nice WRX-78!!! :p

update plz.

Yes can we have an update on the status of this group buy, since my paypal has already been deducted $900.

Yes, I would like to know the latest news. It's getting warm here in the east, like to take the car out more and it would be nice to have the new headlights. BTW does anyone know hoe does the level switch works?

Here babyblue, this link should answer your questions.

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=952

Oh man, I would love to get in on this...

I can do the 400$ now, but when will the remaining 500 need to be in your hands?

FYI - this $$ should be going towards suspension mods, but I cant resist.... :)

Guys i will have an update this after noon


DO not send Diposits till then


Thanks Mike

Back to the top...

any news?

Felix

I thought there was gonna be an update on this group buy yesterday afternoon??? :confused:

Originally posted by Tyrannosarus Rex
I thought there was gonna be an update on this group buy yesterday afternoon??? :confused:

I am sure Mike is just pretty busy, and that he probably doesnt have any updates to post otherwise he would have posted already :).

Mike -- to avoid any misunderstandings, I think it would be best if you post every day or so even if it's just to say "hello, still waiting on X number of ppl"

Can we also get a projected close date?

Unfortunately its the amount of money involved that is dictating the patience of the buyers, esp. for all the guys that paid in full already.

Thanks Mike!!

Update please!

Busy is one thing, but he is handling just below $25,000 of our money once this GB is settled. I think that when that much money is at hand, we deserve at least weekly updates. I for one have been getting very scared looking at the other GB status' for the EDM STi's.

Please mike, keep us informed.

-- Steve

Yeah, I think it's a great deal on a set of fantastic looking lights. Don't get me wrong. We're not asking vendors to be slaves to this board but a little communication goes a LONG way. Especially when trusting club members throw big bucks around. Let's face it our hobbie's not cheap, and we'd all like to feel more secure.

Reading the other threads on here about delays, delays, and more delays doesn't help matters. I can honestly say if I had to do it over again I'd think a little longer before making a commitment. Then again I'd sing anyone's praises if I can get my hands on these lights. :)

Mike,

The natives are getting restless. Where is our update?

OK GUYS SORRY IT TOOK ME SO LONG IM TRYING TO MAKE A DEAL WITH ANOTHER SUPPLIER TO SEE IF I CAN GET A BETTER DEAL AS OF YET THERE IS NO UPDATE SINCE THE LAST UPDATE

THIS GB WILL CLOSE 4/15/03 THAT IS FINAL OR IF WE GET 25 PEOPLE SIGHED TILL THEN IT WILL CLOSE SOONER


THANKS MIKE



E-MAIL NE BEFORE SENDING ANY DIPOSIT

Mike, would you mind replying to the email I sent. Thanks a bunch.

-- Steve

Is this still $875 M/O, $900 using paypal? Does full payment now still get priority on shipped units?

If so sign me up and let me know and the $900 paypal will be on its way.

What is the status on this???

Originally posted by Leonardo
What is the status on this???

Read the whole thread n00b!
J/K :D

You must have missed Mike's response on the previous page:

Originally posted by xpressmotorworks
OK GUYS SORRY IT TOOK ME SO LONG IM TRYING TO MAKE A DEAL WITH ANOTHER SUPPLIER TO SEE IF I CAN GET A BETTER DEAL AS OF YET THERE IS NO UPDATE SINCE THE LAST UPDATE

THIS GB WILL CLOSE 4/15/03 THAT IS FINAL OR IF WE GET 25 PEOPLE SIGHED TILL THEN IT WILL CLOSE SOONER

Felix

Nooo we have to wait til 4/15 now... come on people, let's get that 25 now :D

4/15/03?

Wow! that's around the time I'm getting my money. Okay, I will be watching this thread closely and see if I can get in. If only I didnt buy the TEIN SS, I would have joined this right now.

So how many people do we have signed up now?

I believe we have 17 signed up right now because in his last update, Mike said that nothing has changed so far. This was the lastest list he gave.

1.raman mishra
2.Stephen Kado
3.Joseph Grace
4.Phillip Casha
5.Richard Sierra
6.Tuan Vantu
7.Logan
8.Taber West
9.felix wong
10.Abhi Freyer
11.David Masutani
12.Scott Shimkus
13.Patrick Murray
14.Kevin Y Deng
15.Kalayan Bilobran
16.Anthony Lam
17. Charlie Acoba

Are we ever going to get these lights? What's the deal?

Chris

Mike,

I sent you an email days ago about joining this GB. Haven't heard back, but I'm still hoping to join. Please PM or email me when you get the chance.

Paul

Originally posted by WestCoastPimp
Are we ever going to get these lights? What's the deal?

Chris

Well according to Mike, he said that the final date of this Group Buy will be April 15th, or if we reach 25 people, which ever comes first.

When will the remaining balance be required?

Am salavating on these Headlights:D

Dammit... I missed it!! :(

Originally posted by szero
Dammit... I missed it!! :(

What...missed the group buy? It's still going on until the 14th of April. PM & email "xpressmotorworks" with an inquiry right away if you still want in. The sooner you place an order the quicker we all get ours. So step on up!

- Logan

Mike,

Tried to PM you but system said you weren't accepting PMs.

Finally verified on PayPal.

I will send the paypal when you confirm - $900 shipped and those paid in full in advance still receive priority.

Ed.

Mike,

You told me I could still join this group buy, so I just tried to PayPal you the full $900 for the headlights. However, PayPal says "This Recipient is Currently Unable to Receive Money." :confused:

Can you please clarify this so I can still join the GB?

Has anyone else had this problem?

Paul

I'd like to see more feedback from the vendor on this thread!

What is the CURRENT status?

I'm getting PM's from worried members and I can't help avoid thinking what could go wrong here with the ammount of funds sent.


Also, can someone close verify his addy?

Xpressmotorworks
460 Myrtle #119
Glendale Ca 91203

Leo

Originally posted by Thumper23
When will the remaining balance be required?


I third that, when is the remaining balance due?.

My guess would be at the time the vendor recieves the goods, just prior to xpressmotorworks mailing them out to the buyers??

I've been monitoring this GB and have been sitting on the fence, been puppy dogging my wife about these lights. I'm trying. :)

Arghh don't tell me I'm going to get screwed out of my deposit. :mad: I've been in this GB, since near the beginning and the only reason I haven't paid the balance is for fear of losing $900. :eek: This stinks. A few other vendors like CC-B have had the lights IN STOCK and I can't afford the investment since I have a deposit on this GB already. :(

The terms of this GB have changed too many times, extended deadlines, lower price up to a certain date, etc. It's all confusing to anyone else wanting to join in with the changing terms. Leonardo, please help.

I will patiently wait again until April 15th. If the terms change yet again (price fluctuates or deadline extended). I'm going to have to ask for my money back. :mad:

Originally posted by Leonardo
I'd like to see more feedback from the vendor on this thread!

What is the CURRENT status?

I'm getting PM's from worried members and I can't help avoid thinking what could go wrong here with the ammount of funds sent.


Also, can someone close verify his addy?

Xpressmotorworks
460 Myrtle #119
Glendale Ca 91203

Leo If no one has verfied this addy yet, I'll stop by tomorrow and see if this is a legit addy.

Please do WR xplosive, it'll calm my frayed nerves. :)

Well Mike and xpressmotorworks have been MIA now for a while.

WRXMotorWorks at one point vouched for Mike. WRXMW, where is Mike at?

Originally posted by WRX-78
Please do WR xplosive, it'll calm my frayed nerves. :) Okay, Im at work right now but I can make an excuse just to check this place out.


Be back in 30mins.

Just came from the place and it's an apartment complex. Buzzed the suite # 119 and no one answered. Called the phone too but no answer either. Took picture of the complex with my car but I cant post the pic 'til I get home today (2 more hours).

oh sombitch

Can anyone tell (from PM tracking) when xpressmotorworks was last online?

Originally posted by SC WRX
Can anyone tell (from PM tracking) when xpressmotorworks was last online?

xpressmotorworks Last online:
07:39 AM 03-31-2003

Leonardo, WR xplosive - PM'd you both.

Attn: Mike & xpressmotorworks

This is your cue to give an update and alleviate our worries.

Originally posted by WRXMotorWorks
I believe there are people that are doubting the legitimacy of this Vendor.

I would like to add that i know Mike on a personal and business level and highly recommend him and his organization.

So guys you know you want this setup so sign up.

Cheers,

Gary

WRX MotorWorks

:rolleyes:

See, the irony of that is that he is having a LHD STi light Group Buy as well, and they are having trouble getting their lights as well.

-- Steve

I feel bad for anyone using MotorWorks in their vendor name - they may have problems selling here for some time to come.

I feel worse about those with deposits in place. Was he verified on paypal?

I feel very fortunate that I balked at this price. I apparently delayed my deep desire for a set of these long enough that he hasn't even replied to my messages trying to put a deposit down.

What does he have now, about $8 grand?

Originally posted by buymeasti


xpressmotorworks Last online:
07:39 AM 03-31-2003

Thanks. Can you please post the next time xpressmotorworks logs on?

Alright guys... here's the deal...

xpressmotorworks vendor contract expired this month, and I have been trying to contact them since the 15th (now the count is up to 6 e-mails) and I have only recieved one reply. The reply said they were in the middle of the GB. I told them I understand and and soon as they sent me a contract and payment I would open up their account access again. They have still not contacted me back yet. The last two e-mails were asking them to please contact me and let me know what was going on.

So as of this point xpressmotorworks is no longer a vendor with NASIOC. Unless of course by some miracle they send me a contract and payment before midnight tonight.

I'm sorry for anyone caught up in this GB.

Here is all the contact info I have on xpressmotorworks so you can call or e-mail to try to contact them.

Phone: 818-434-5563

Address:
460 Myrtle #119
Glendale, CA 91203

Email: xpressmotorworks@cs.com

-Nick

Ummm, isn't that the same thing that happened to WRXMotorWorks? Also both their email addresses are through the same domain cs.com.

A lot of strange coincidences.

anyone know a good lawyer, I do

Great! :mad: If anyone has spoke to, contacted, or got a reply from Mike about this, please inform us waiting on this thread of the status. Is it still going on? Is it not? If not how do we get our money back? Etc.

If I hear anything I'll post right away.

- Logan

This really sucks. I've been buying things off NASIOC and never had a problem, after this, I don't think I'll buy here again. We have no protections. NASIOC should do something, cause this had been happening too much around here.

When you know your screwed ACT FAST. I've given up on this GB, I want to salvage any money that I can. I payed through Paypal with my credit card and have already filled out the CC purchase dispute form for un-delivered goods.

I suggest those who payed with a CC do the same. I also noticed the ---motorworks coincidences but chalked it up to maybe they were friends. But who knows Mike and Gary might be the same guy.

Nick and all mods, you run a fine site. But this Vendor Status fiasco will keep me from ever buying from these boards again. My 1st and sadly last attempt at GB.

So basically any joe can pay your site to get this Vendor Status and that's it?! Not much in the way of buyer insurance if ya ask me.

Time is of the essence people. Contact your CC company now.

I'm wary of an ass that posts in all caps now, shoulda figured.
And if by some miracle this GB is still on. **** it! I've had enough. If it seems like I'm welshing on this deal, I hope the rest of you guys can understand.

I just talked to Gary at WRXmotorworks 8:28pm. Everything seems fine at the moment. They have currently let the vendor status lapse and all orders are still a go.

This address info was from the last Invoice I had in 12/22/02.

WRXmotorworks
2008 Loma Vista Street
Pasadena CA 91104
(625)676-3321

Just called and talked to Mike,

He's getting hold of Nick as I'm posting this. He said he's going to post a 'what's going on?' update within the next 30 min. Also, that the Gb is still going on. Don't disapoint us Mike.


- Logan

To those who are upset with this...

We are very diligent in trying to keep bad vendors off the site. And most of these businesses are internet based this isn't an easy thing to do. But out of the number of vendors we have here occurances that cause problems like this are few and far between. When you increase the number of vendors and number of members of course the times this occurs is also going to increase.

Don't let this burn you from buying this ever again. I'm sure you wouldn't react the same way just having one bad experience from a store like Best Buy, so try to be a little more reasonable in your reaction.

This particular situation is being taken care of Mike has just e-mailed me so we are in the process of working this out. So put a hold on the panic for right now.

-Nick

OK GUYS SORRY ABOUT THE DELAY

HERE IS WHAT HAPPEN I FORGOT TO FAX COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS ON TIME OVER TO NICK SO HE SUSPENDED MY VENDER ACCOUNT BUT I SHOULD HAVE IT UP IN A COUPLE OF DAYS EVERY THING IS GOING AS WE PLANED THERE IS NO NEED TO WORRY I JUST TRANSFERRED MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT TO A BUSINESS ACCOUNT SO THEY NEED TO VERIFY ME AGAIN SO PLEASE DO NOT PANIC THAT IS WHY PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SEND MONEY AND DO NOT DISPUTE CHARGES WITH PAYPAL BECAUSE THAT WILL RESULT THE VERIFICATION TO TAKE LONGER


I WILL USE THIS USER NAME TO POST UPDATES AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING EVERY DAY

THANKS MIKE

AND ONCE AGAIN SORRY FOR THE DELAY IN GETTING BACK TO YOU GUYS

DO NOT DISPUTE CHARGES WITH PAYPAL BECAUSE THAT WILL RESULT THE VERIFICATION TO TAKE LONGER

-Please refund my deposit and I will not go through with the dispute.

Mike, I e-mailed you regarding refunding my deposit. I'm sorry to the other members but based on the combined threads I have read in this forum I have no faith that I will get the lights, switch, and harness in a reasonable amount of time.

Like I said communciation is key. We should have been notified when a vendor loses his vendor status. I simply don't like the level of communication that is going on. Leaving people in the dark til the last minute is not cool.

A summary of the other ---motorworks GB's: the switches,lights, parts needed to make the switch are delayed, customs lost them, etc. I feel no need to pay the balance IF this is what I have to look forward to after the GB is closed. See all the other STi light threads if you're confused.

To Nick: I will be trying to get these lights again from another vendor when he has them IN STOCK.

WRX-78

IM SORRY I DIDN’T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO TAKE THIS LONG I HAVE BEEN CALLING HERE AND THERE EVERY DAY TO GET THINGS BACK LIKE I SAID I CAN NOT REFUND THE DEPOSIT BECAUSE PAYPAL IS VERIFYING ME AND I CANT SEND MONEY OR RECEIVE AS SOON AS IT COMES UP I WILL POST SOMETHING UP AND LET EVERYONE KNOW WHEN PAYPAL IS UP AND RUNNING THEN I WILL E MAIL YOU .


THANKS MIKE

Mike,
Sorry to say this, but I'm in the same boat as WRX-78. I as well sent an email about refunding. Different reasons, but same objective. Sorry once again

-- Steve

Mike,

I think I am going to go the same way and order from a vendor when they are in stock and who bills when they are shipped and can provide a tracking number. You have a good price deal here but these deposit first group buys just leave me way too uneasy. So I doubt I will be in even after you get paypal verified.

See my issues here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=337821

Ed.

GUYS ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT SOME PEOPLE FEEL THIS WAY I GUS I CANT MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY I WILL TRY MY BEST TO MEET EVERYONE’S SITUATION


THANKS MIKE

Mike:

All that being said, how do we go about continuing with the GB? I'm still in, as long as you can guarantee the lights get to us no later than 2 or 3 weeks after the allotted April 14th deadline...without anymore delays. Or does the removal of some people from the list have a negative effect on the arrival of the lights?


Question for everyone else:

Who's still in?

- Logan

ALL I GOT TO SAY IS EVERYTHING IS GOING GREAT IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CANCEL NOW EVEN THOUGH ON THE FIRST PAGE IT SAYS NO CANCELLATION OR REFUNDS THAT’S NOT A PROBLEM I HAVE ABOUT 5 PEOPLE READY TO JUMP ON THE LIST AS SOON AS MY PAYPAL IS AVAILABLE.


I WILL POST SOMETHING AS SOON AS PAYPAL IS AVAILABLE I THINK PAYPAL IS BEING SUED THAT IS WHY THEY ARE TAKING AN ACTION LIKE THIS

WHAT I NEED TO KNOW NOW IS WHO IS STILL IN PLEASE PM ME WITH YOUR SCREEN NAME AND FULL FIRST AND LAST NAME AS IT APPEARS ON THE LIST IF YOU ARE IN

THANKS MIKE

Mike,

(1) It is up to you to honestly evaluate this GB, and tell us right now how many people you will need to make a satisfactory profit, and then we can determine if we have enough people remaining to make this GB work.

If, after thinking things over, you determine that you can't make enough of a profit with only 5-10 members (because realistically I think that is what it is going to come down to), then the thing to do is end the GB now and return everyone's deposit. Do not try to force this GB to happen.

(2) The GB has to close now. There's no longer any point to waiting until April 15. If someone was thinking about jumping on board before today, there is no way in hell they would plunk down $900 on blind faith now after reading this thread.

Right now, you have as many people as you are going to have. If you wait until April 15, more of the people that have already paid you are going to get more nervous and want out.

(3) If anybody that has already paid wants out, you are going to have to let them out. If you try to force anyone to stay in, no one will trust you and this whole thing will fall apart.

(4) As a showing of good faith, you should provide us with your full name, and the make, model and license number of the car that you drive, so that if this whole thing goes south, we'll at least have a head start on where to find you. You have the full names and addresses of at least 17 people that have given you $400-900, so I don't think that is too much to ask.

(5) Explain to us how you are going to get the lights to us within three weeks of the close of the GB, when Gary at WRXMotorworks' GB closed in January and he still hasn't gotten everyone their headlights. Because even if you wind up going through with this GB, 22 days after this GB closes, you are going to have people constantly on your a$$ asking where their lights are.

If you can satisfy these conditions, and you close the GB ASAP, and there are enough people remaining to make this worth your while, then I am still in. Otherwise, mail me back my payment.

If there is any doubt in your mind that you can complete this GB and get us all our lights within 4 weeks, then don't do it. Just end it now and return all of our payments. In the long run, you will save yourself headaches and potential lawsuits. Just ask SXPi.

Let us know how you intend to proceed.

SC WRX

I'll get to the point 1st:
When will this Paypal issue be resolved? If Paypal is a problem, just send me a money order minus the cost of postage and the MO. I'll take a loss of a few dollars to be done with this. Mike, I trust you are an honest person which is why I sent you the money in the 1st place. If 5 more people are itching to take my #6 spot then let them. I would simply like my $425 dollars back. Please.

Moving on... I highly applaud SC WRX's comments.

So I'll try to be as civil as possible. Yes I am fully aware of your No Refund 'policy'. However, I don't feel that is exactly valid if the terms of the GB keep changing. I'm referring to the changing deadlines, price drop confusion, being bumped up in priority for paying the balance confusion, and just lack of communication with your customers.

You should just be up front and post the current status on the public forum for all to see instead of requesting that the interested parties PM you for details. This probably wouldn't have raised alarm bells if people were kept up to speed.

And Mike, best of luck completing this group buy. I sincerely hope it goes well and that all of you get your items. I really do hope you all prove me wrong.

Thanks,
Tuan

Guys I don’t think I made my self clear this GB is going to happen its people’s comments that make others nervous.

Like I have said couple of times today don’t worry I will keep everyone posted every day. and let you guys know what is going on.


I don’t think anybody needs make, model and license number of the car that I drive .

I understand that couple of people are pissed but what can I do I have done all I can to make everyone happy I first started with 975.00 shipped people said its too much so I lowered it they said they want to make a deposit instead of full payment so I did that just to keep everyone happy so I even kept the price low till it closed WITCH THE CLOSE DATE IS 4/15/03.


Guys once again do not dispute the charges or complain with paypal because that will result in a bigger mess lets just think positive like most people are and we will have this straightened out couple of days.

Thanks Mike

Once again. The point.

ALL I GOT TO SAY IS EVERYTHING IS GOING GREAT IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CANCEL NOW EVEN THOUGH ON THE FIRST PAGE IT SAYS NO CANCELLATION OR REFUNDS THAT’S NOT A PROBLEM I HAVE ABOUT 5 PEOPLE READY TO JUMP ON THE LIST AS SOON AS MY PAYPAL IS AVAILABLE. - So what's teh problem? Refund my deposit.

Then you proceed to tell me NOT to dispute teh charges. Why?

I assure you, I am OUT of this GB. I'm not going to mince words and allow you to buy more time or take more of my money. I work hard for that cash. We can do this teh easy way. Send me a registered money order via Western Union or some otehr confirmation service. And I will shut teh hell up. Or we can involve banks and god forbid, lawyers, authorities.

I'm sorry but I think this GB should close no later than Friday April 4th. You have until Friday or when teh buyer complaint process is done with my CC company. Which should take a few days to complete.

I'm also sorry that I have generated bad press for this GB, but in my defense I am protecting my interests.

Trust me anyone who's willing to pony up 900 bucks for tehse lights would have done so by now. And those on teh fence after reading all tehse posts are not going to join in.

Mike, I admire your concessions you have made regarding teh lowering of teh pricing and such, but none of this info was explicitly communicated in this thread. If you read back furtehr you'll see a few requests for status updates, 'reply to my' e-mail posts, and a few questions that are just plain unanswered. It leaves a bad impression to say teh least.

Your words:
Trust me tehir will be enough people just look at teh otehr GB if tehy dont of corse i will refund teh diposit

And again:
Guys like I said if not enough people sign up and teh Gb dose not go trough I WILL REFUND THE DEPOSIT

In my honest opinion I and a few otehrs have waited long enough. It's been a full month. That is plenty of time to get a GB going. And to add insult to injury we will have to wait a furtehr 3 weeks (or more) + teh time needed to get all balances due, to get our lights. So for me, definitely this GB has not "gone through".

I want tehse lights badly, but not badly enough to put up with this mess and teh mess WRXmotorworks is putting customers through.

Do teh honest thing.

Originally posted by xpressmotorworks

I don’t think anybody needs make, model and license number of teh car that I drive .



Fair enough. But at least let everyone know your last name. You know our last names, having published them on this thread even though you could have listed our NASIOC names.

Good morning everyone i will be out today 7 pm tonight i will be ansewring all ypur questions and concerns when i get back please do not panic

Thanks Mike

Been tehir, done that disputes

thought you might wanna read this Mike...
http://www.retroarts.com/paypal/index.php


GL on teh GB.

Edit: Ok, what' wrong with NASiOC website, some words just doesnt come right like "t.h.e.r.e" being spelled as tehir after posting

Edit: Ok, what' wrong with NASiOC website, some words just doesnt come right like "t.h.e.r.e" being spelled as tehir after posting [/B]

Crap, I think all our posts broke NASIOC. :D :lol:

Or is it some April fools joke? Hmmmm.....

OK, April Fool's Day it is!

Back to t.h.e. Topic.
If in two weeks this GB is still ON and no O.T.H.E.R problems arise, I shall join this. :cool:

Originally posted by WR xplosive
OK, April Fool's Day it is!

Back to t.h.e. Topic.
If in two weeks this GB is still ON and no O.T.H.E.R problems arise, I shall join this. :cool:

It ends in two weeks, if you want to join and are going to do so eventually, just do it now so we can all get our new toys faster :D :D :D

I will be perfectly honest about what I am up to (for those following this silly drama). So their are no accusations later on.

I am not wavering. I will have my deposit back one way or another.

I am also trying to source these lights from a private seller: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=338336

And I have put myself on CC-B's interested buyer's list for the EDM lights he hopes to recieve. This is what he told me:
Sorry, currently no more stock. It's hard to keep sufficient qty. on hand. 15 sets are on teh way in and should be here around teh 15th or 20th. We can backorder a set for you if you want. Just e-mail (not PM)us your name, address and phone number to info@cc-b.com and we'll put you on teh list. No deposit is required and tehir is no obligation to buy. We'll just go down teh list as tehy come in, and you can make a decision at that point in time.

The headlight leveling switch is in stock and is $69.00. The harness is $45.00. (Just in case you wanted to know)

And yes, they are brand new, straight from Subaru Europe



Why is the number 25 so freakin magical? Gary (WRXmotorworks) closed his GB at 16 people. I'm sure refunding one disgruntled customer to shut him up wouldn't seriously affect your bottom line. You mean to tell me you can't do a GB with *gasp* 24 people?

I better recieve a reply to this. Clock's tickin.

WRX-78
first thing I don’t need 25 people to make this happen like I said it will close 4/15 or if I can get 25 people till then I will close it earlier

I have been on the phone with paypal but as you all know they are being a pain in the A$$ im trying my best to resole this if you could please give me little more time I will definitely do something about you refund


TO ALL THAT WILL STILL BE ON THE LIST I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND WILL KEEP YOU GUYS UPDATED AS WE GO ON

THANKS MIKE

please give me little more time I will definitely do something about you refund

Sigh. Since this is teh only semblance of good news and you did regain your vendor status with Nick. I will not take any action until teh end of this Friday.

Please clarify teh Paypal situation with us and I may extend that deadline.

Namely.
1. Can you access your account?
2. Is your account currently locked by Paypal due to investigation? (this sometimes happens and makes it very difficult for people to obtain tehr money)

A few members have paid you with money orders. So regardless, unless you spent that money already. You have teh funds to repay me.

Thanks.

EDIT:
Protection Policies - Seller Protection Policy

Q: Why am I charged a $10 fee for chargeback settlement?

A: To cover the cost of processing chargebacks, PayPal assesses a $10 fee to sellers who are determined to be at fault for credit card payment chargebacks. The $10 fee will be waived in those cases where the sellers have fulfilled all of the requirements of PayPal's Seller Protection Policy. The $10 fee will also be waived for all sellers participating in our PayPal Preferred program.


I will gladly pay you the 10 bucks if the chargeback on my CC occurs. If this is the source of concern.

I checked my account a few mins ago.

from my CC company:
"Your account has been credited while we review your dispute."

Holy crap, the system works. That's all I gotta say. Mike, when this gets resolved I'll send a MO for $10 to cover the chargeback fee. That I can guarantee.

WRX-78

I just hope this dose not effect paypal as they will delay this even more

I don’t need your MO

I asked you couple of times please do not dispute the charges as it will delay paypal but its cool man

Guys if this gets delayed you can thank WRX-78 I will contact paypal to see if I can do anything from my end.

will keep everyone posted as soon as I get any news

Thanks Mike

If you want to deflect the blame go right ahead.

I was told before all this started to go with a reputable Canadian vendor for the lights. Except, Canada being the great taxable nation that we are, was hella expensive.

So I decided to trust a new un-proven vendor. If you had conducted this group buy in a professional manner from the beginning. I would not have panicked and worried about potentially losing $425 US = $627 in Canadian pesos. Yes, I'm not kidding.

I've learned from others to take a harsh stance on anything resembling fraud.

I use Paypal out of convenience and with a CC I have a little more piece of mind than MO's. But...

Mike, as for Paypal giving you a hard time. This is the kind of thing that frightens me: http://www.paypalsucks.com/faqs.shtml

That site is not BS. And is full of valid complaints. So you can see why I'm a little scared of never seeing my cash again.

HEY Guys

No updates yet. If anything I will let you guys know this afternoon


Thanks Mike

Originally posted by xpressmotorworks

I asked you couple of times please do not dispute the charges as it will delay paypal but its cool man

Guys if this gets delayed you can thank WRX-78 I will contact paypal to see if I can do anything from my end.

Thanks Mike

Dude, shut UP! :rolleyes:

YOU are the one at fault here, not any of the buyers.

YOU are the one who took people's money and let your vendor status lapse.

YOU are the one who posted people's real last names (MAJOR NO NO!!!! :mad: ) and did not post your own!

YOU are the one who has the power to send refunds to buyers (via any means necessary, even if that means CASH).

YOU are the one who is responsible for providing product... and if you don't have that product at the right time, you MUST inform people what is happening and offer refunds if they want them.

YOU are the one who decided that Paypal is fine as a payment method.

YOU are the one who instilled bad faith in people and delayed the GB, not WRX-78. :rolleyes: If anything, the other buyers on the list should be thanking the guy for standing up for their rights and making sure that the fear of God (or the law) is making this person continue the deal.

-Bob

Nick, I think that is a good rule... if a vendor cannot fill a GB by a specified date, a buyer should be able to be free to drop out with refund

I put up an informative post about Paypal troubles, if you guys care to read it, http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=339963

Take care.

I got a PM from Mike. Props to him for working with me to reclaim my deposit. Hopefully this will all be sorted out shortly.

I'll take the time to add: If he's weathered all this Paypal and vendor status trouble then he's probably going to see this GB through to the end. I wish this GB the best of luck.

OK GUYS GOOD NEWS PAYPAL IS UP AND RUNNING FOR ALL THOSE THAT E-MAILED ME TO JOIN HERE IS YOUR CHANCE

PAYPAL XPRESSMOTORWORKS@CS.COM

THANKS MIKE

Mike,
That mean I'll be getting my refund now?

-- Steve

ALL IM ASKING AT THIS POINT IS IF YOU GUYS CAN GIVE ME SOME TIME TO CATCH UP I WILL TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE

AND ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING


THANKS MIKE

Just wanted to point out the typo so no one else gets grief. Paypal xpressmotorworks@cs.com

A few people are interested in this process so that's why I'm posting:

Mike, I contacted my CC company and since I gave them your contact info. They said they've been trying to get in touch with you.

I inquired more about the dispute process and basically they said that they are acting on my behalf. The temporary credit that shows up on my CC account will be made permanent when the dispute is resolved.

I asked him how long and he said it could take up to a month and will show on my next statement.

So basically, whenever my Paypal account lists a balance of $425 dollars I will call the CC and tell them to cancel the dispute.

I know you said that the money has been refunded, but I just checked and it still says $0. I will NOT be dealing with Paypal customer service on this issue. That is up to you. Thanks.

Even with all this, I'm still in.

However, when do you want the rest of the money?

When you give me a tracking number, and I can confirm it, then you can get the rest of your money. Sound good?

I don't know if he could do a tracking number first because it would have to be shipped already. Would you ship something you sold before you got all the money?

I'm still trying to give Mike the benefit of the doubt and ride this through too, but once the GB closes we should be given some type of proof along the way of the shipment coming to the states. Like for instance it was cool how one vendor took pictures of the shipment when it came in. Copy of an invoice, copy of email from the dealer in europe, tracking number of the shipment, you know anything along those lines. stuff like that definitely helps. Keep in mind too guys that with the war going on customs will take longer, so its not going to be quick

Mike... I am still in on this GB and like Wraith said, I too am gonna try to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it kinda hurts the relationship between buyer and seller when you don't return PMs. On a side note... I didn't really appreciate having my name posted on the list like that, but what's done is done. I'm still in. But can you try to update us more often, especially when so much money is at stake. Thanks.

HEY GUYS JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW I WILL HAVE AN UPDATE OF A NEW LIST TOMAROW OR SUNDAY

THANKS MIKE

Alright, assuming this GB closes on the 15th, when should we expect our headlights? And on the same part, when do you expect the rest of the balance?

Phil

Originally posted by xpressmotorworks
HEY GUYS JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW I WILL HAVE AN UPDATE OF A NEW LIST TOMAROW OR SUNDAY

THANKS MIKE

So where's the update?

I have been following on this thread and if I am not mistaken, it will take another three weeks after the end of GB. :cool:

I thought the next update was supposed to be saturday or sunday?

^
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and this surprises you how?

And I still want to know when you want the rest of the money. I'm trying to make a spending budget here.

GUYS HERE IS THE UP DATE SORRY IT TOOK ME SO LONG

I WILL HAVE AN UPDATE WHEN SOMTHING CHANGES

1.raman m
2.Kalayan B
3.Joseph G
4.Phillip C
5.Dmitry Z
6.Charlie A
7.Logan
8.Taber W
9.felix w
10.Abhi F
11.Anthony L
12.Scott S
13.Patrick M
14.Kevin Y D
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.
24.
25.


Thanks

Mike

Mike,

Per the previous requests, you have removed the last names of all the group buy participants except for three of them (mine included). Can we please have a little more consistency here?

Also, it would be very helpful if you would answer all the questions previously posted by the other participants.

Please check you PM and e-mail. I've been trying to get in touch with you.

Felix

Mike,
I told you I want off this GB and I want my refund. I know you are waiting on Paypal or whatever, but it seems you have forgotten about me considering that my name is still #2 on the list. I'd like my refund before the 15th.

-- Steve

I would be interested if price gets a little lower.:devil:
Wouldn't the demand for these be less because of the my04(my03 everywhere else) came out.

Originally posted by SLKWrx
Mike,
I told you I want off this GB and I want my refund. I know you are waiting on Paypal or whatever, but it seems you have forgotten about me considering that my name is still #2 on the list. I'd like my refund before the 15th.

-- Steve

Yes, I have the same problem...

Felix

My name is off the list but I still haven't received my check in the mail.

OK, I see that the list has been updated this morning after my last post. Steve's name was removed, but I'm still on it. :confused:

So let me be blatantly direct...

Mike, please remove me from this group buy and refund my money.
I have tried to PM and e-mail you regarding this, but I have not had any responses to my requests.

Thank you,
Felix

I'm gonna try bold this time.

When do you expect the rest of the payment?

ONCE I ORDER THE LIGHTS I WILL POST A PROOF AND THEN ASK FOR THE REMANDER

THANKS MIKE

So Mike, where the f**k is my money?

Mike, give me an update as to what the hell you did with the $850 you were supposed to mail to me last Friday.

Mike, I see that you are online. Give me a freakin' answer: Where the hell is my money?

Originally posted by SC WRX
Mike, I see that you are online. Give me a freakin' answer: Where the hell is my money? If I were you, I'd drive down to glendale and pick it up from his APT.

GL GB participants...

Hey Mike,
I'm in the same boat as SC WRX. I'm waitin on my Refund as well.

-- Steve

Mike, I saw that you logged on again, so I know that you saw these posts. You probably also received my voice mails on your cell phone.

How do you expect to run a business if you never return voice mails, fail to respond to posts that call into question your integrity. Surely you must realize that your reputation as an NASIOC vendor is only going to get worse if you don't answer to people like me and SLK WRX.

Unless you straighten out your act quick, this will be the only group buy that you ever run, because nobody is going to trust you.

Personally, I'm surprised anyone is still in this group buy. It's not like you've demonstrated any game plan to anyone as to how you think you can get everyone EDM lights and leveller switches within 3 weeks when Gary your mentor still hasn't been able to fill his leveller switch orders.

And you'd better not be financing the purchase of the EDM lights with my money and SLK WRX's money. That could be considered a Ponzi scheme, and could subject you to significant federal penalties, especially in light of the fact that you are engaging in interstate commerce by use of the internet.

Christ, Mike goes online again and still doesn't reply. Not even a PM, not an e-mail.

How responsive do you think he's going to be six weeks after April 15 when you all are wondering about the status if he won't respond to me?

Uh, Mike? You there man? SLKWRX and SC WRX have been trying to get hold of you since forever!

Honestly, WHAT is going on that you can't reply to these guys?

I've had a lot of patience so far but c'mon! If you can't respond to these guys now, what more if I had a problem with my lights (from shipping or something like that) and needed to replace them? I'd never get hold of you.

You seriously need to communicate way better (I.E. ANSWER EACH AND EVERY QUESTION ANYONE MIGHT HAVE!). If you can't do that, we might as well forgat the whole thing and you refund us all our money back.

Don't you realize how frustrating this is?

- Logan

I agree with Logan on that. Communication is the key here! This makes me feel very uncomfortable when there is no good communication going on. You should answer to SC WRX and spend a couple of minutes just to write something short, we don't expect you to write a book.

You need to start taking this seriously Mike before we all start leaving this group buy wanting a full refund back even though this is a great price for the EDM STi lights, leveling switch, harness, and shipping. But we have tons of money here involved, so please get in the act of being more serious in this group buy please.

-ImprezaBoy75

Refund SLKWrx and SC WRX their money and while you're at it get a spellchecker and try not to SHOUT so much. You're not doing the Subaru community any good by staying quiet. It just leads people to speculate on what you've done with the cash. Like spending it on your own car perhaps?

Mike we've all pleaded with you before on this (lack of) communication issue. Stop being such a child about it and show some professionalism. Like the other guys said your reputation is at an all-time low and you haven't even ordered the lights yet! I'd be more sympathetic since this is your first time doing a group buy and have paypal troubles, but guess what?

You're trying to run a business, correct? You should have realized **it is bound to happen and had the money (not stuck in paypal limbo) to refund dissatisfied customers. Now honestly what newbie goes and upgrades a personal paypal account to a business account mid-GB? Knowing full well that he'd be handling roughly $875 * 25 = $21875 in deposits. You should've realized a personal account can't accept that much in transactions.

I also doubt everyone used paypal so you do have the money kicking around somewhere unless you spent it already. It is NOT our duty to finance your business when (it looks like) you have no capital.

I'm sick of these fly-by-nite companies with ONE employee in an apartment. Also, hiding behind a "no refund" policy, as you've quickly found out, is pure BS. Just remember, no goods = fraud. Which is where this GB is headed.


I got a PM from Mike. Props to him for working with me to reclaim my deposit. Hopefully this will all be sorted out shortly.

I take back what I said. For the record Mike and Paypal have yet to contact me after my initial complaint. I still have not recieved my refund via paypal. Now how's that for service! :rolleyes:

But my CC company said they will most likely be giving me a full refund. I feel sorry for the guys who aren't able to pursue a chargeback.

Lucky no one here took you up on your offers:
http://puckparches.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1043738637

EDIT:
I had i-club links here but they don't work. Just go to the search page and enter xpressmotorwork and you'll see what I mean.

Your reputation preceeds you perhaps? Aw who am I kidding, like you even bother to respond anymore.

I'm not knocking on the rest of you guys but it's your money at stake here. Don't be afraid to speak up to get results. It's painfully obvious no one else has joined up (or will) before the 15th. If you still want your lights tell Mike to close the GB and get things in motion. Also, DEMAND proof that he ordered the lights or you might get burned later.

Good luck.

So for the record, none of us have recieved any type of refund at all?

GUYS THIS IS THE LAST TIME IM GOING TO SAY THIS ON THE FIRST PAGE IT SAYS NO REFUNDS OR CANCELLATION ONCE PAYMENT IS SENT.

YOU ALL AGREED ON IT AND SENT THE MONEY I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MIS UNDERSTANDING IS

IM NOT SAYING THAT YOU GUYS WILL NOT GET ANY MONEY BACK.
YOU WILL YOU JUST HAVE TO BE PATIENT BECAUSE I HAD THAT STATEMENT POSTED UP FROM THE VERY FIRST DAY BEFORE ANYONE SIGHED UP SO HOLD ON TILL I GET YOU GUYS YOUR REFUND.

SO FOR ME TO GIVE ANYONE A REFUND IM DOING YOU GUYS A FAVOR.


THERE IS NO NEW UPDATES AS FAR AS THE GB I WILL START ORDERING THE LIGHTS ON THE 15TH

THANKS MIKE

THIS IS THE MISUNDERSTANDING. YOU TOLD ME YOU MAILED MY PAYMENT TO ME LAST FRIDAY YOU LYING SACK OF *****. ARE YOU NOW TELLING ME THAT YOU DIDN'T SEND ME MY MONEY AS YOU SAID YOU DID?

DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEGRITY WHATSOEVER?

WHAT IS GOING ON? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM EVERYONE? AFTER YOUR F**K UP RE PAYPAL AND YOUR LOSS OF VENDOR STATUS, YOU SAID YOU WOULD GIVE REFUNDS AND YOU DIDN'T NEED 25 PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. ALSO, MY MONEY ISN'T TIED UP IN PAYPAL BECAUSE I SENT YOU MONEY ORDERS.

SO, TELL ME WHEN I CAN PICK UP MY MONEY!


xpressmotorworks wrote on 04-04-2003 08:37 PM:
yes i sent it out today

SC WRX wrote on 04-04-2003 11:41 AM:

xpressmotorworks wrote on 04-02-2003 09:51 PM:
i will have it out by this friday.

let me know if that ok

thanks
Mike


Mike,

Did you get my $850 out today? And if so, is it in the form of a check or MO?

Thanks,

Dave

Originally posted by xpressmotorworks
ALL I GOT TO SAY IS EVERYTHING IS GOING GREAT IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CANCEL NOW EVEN THOUGH ON THE FIRST PAGE IT SAYS NO CANCELLATION OR REFUNDS THAT’S NOT A PROBLEM I HAVE ABOUT 5 PEOPLE READY TO JUMP ON THE LIST AS SOON AS MY PAYPAL IS AVAILABLE.


I WILL POST SOMETHING AS SOON AS PAYPAL IS AVAILABLE I THINK PAYPAL IS BEING SUED THAT IS WHY THEY ARE TAKING AN ACTION LIKE THIS

WHAT I NEED TO KNOW NOW IS WHO IS STILL IN PLEASE PM ME WITH YOUR SCREEN NAME AND FULL FIRST AND LAST NAME AS IT APPEARS ON THE LIST IF YOU ARE IN

THANKS MIKE

You said it yourself, that you would be willing to refund those that no longer trusted you. That is the only reason why you didn't have a complete mutiny, because others thought you were still being reasonable.

So, be reasonable, take care of those that want out, and earn yourself some goodwill with those that still want in. Some people have short memories, and if you take care of those of us that are unhappy now, you COMMUNICATE with those that are still in, and you complete this GB as planned, you still have a chance to salvage your reputation. (I imagine the 15 guys with EDM headlights 4 weeks from now will have forgotten all of this once the product is in their hands.)

If you do the right thing, you might be able to do additional group buys later. If you don't, then this will probably be your last GB. Think long term.

If you haven't returned my money yet, tell me when you will and the reason for the delay. You'll find that I can be reasonable as long as the person I'm dealing with is honest with me.

Ok, Mike, due to what has happened, I think you'll have to refund whomever wants out as when you made the first post, you didn't know THIS was going to happen, or did you?

Please, refund the members requesting them and take new members as needed. If I was in your shoes, I would do it and keep hapy members instead of pissy ones, but of course I'm not in your shoes!

Your integrity is at play here. Do what's right!!!


To the people in this GB, please keep you cool, we'll work this out!!!

Dave, I know you are upset. but please try not to dodge the swear filter! I have your back!:)


Leo:mad:

wow... this was my first group buy experience and I can say with confidence that it will be my last... what a disaster... I feel like asking for my money back, but I might go insane with all the ignoring/no replying/silence that mike has displayed... looks like i'm stuck with this GB til the end... horrible

SO FOR ME TO GIVE ANYONE A REFUND IM DOING YOU GUYS A FAVOR

You're NOT doing us a favor you're obeying the law. From the California Law site http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/95-96/bill/asm/ab_3301-3350/ab_3320_bill_960328_amended_asm.html

I don't expect anyone to digest all that wordy garbage but I did find this section interesting:

(3) Sending the buyer a letter or other written notice (A) advising the buyer of the duration of an expected delay expressed as a specific number of days or weeks, or proposing the substitution of goods or services of equivalent or superior quality, and (B) offering to make a full refund, in accordance with paragraph (2), within one week if the buyer so requests. The vendor shall provide to the buyer a toll-free telephone number or other cost-free method to communicate the buyer's request for a full refund. If the vendor proposes to substitute goods or services, the vendor shall describe the substitute goods or services in detail, indicating fully how the substitute differs from the goods or services ordered.

And I'll be the 1st to admit Internet Law is a fuzzy thing at best but...

Mike you would have been within the law if you had NOT done the following:

1. Modified the terms of the initial contract without consent of all parties involved. (e.g. changed prices, due dates, order of individuals receiving lights due to deposit amounts)

2. In at least 4 posts you basically said you would refund people's money. Thus pretty much nullifying the "contract". Not to mention outright lying to SC WRX.

3. Posting our real names without consent also violates privacy laws.

To Leonardo: I respect your intelligent post. "Technically" it's not Mike's fault cause he did cover his butt with the blanket "No refunds once payment is sent." However, we as consumers also have our rights. I'm just exercising mine and keeping a level head pointing out inaccuracies. If Mike purports to be a verified business then he is expected to act accordingly. A one sentence "NO REFUNDS" is not a real policy in my books. Need I remind you we as the participants in this GB also had no idea Mike was going to let his vendor status lapse and not communicate very often.


-Tuan
stung by the old adage "buyer beware"

EDIT:
If we didn't act as soon as we did this could have easily turned into a fraud case with 25 poor souls. Think of it as a learning lesson for future GBs.

Ok, I have to chime in here. Listen, I know you are having issues but you really only have three (I think) people that want out. Let us out and go on with your business instead of getting all this bad press for yourself.

And also mike, remember, I did help you get this group buy started. You had only no one until me and a few others started talking louder about it. The least you can do is grant us what we want, you still have plenty of people to make the group buy go on.. 3 people is not going to kill you.

For the record, we have had patience Mike. We have had plenty of patience.. I don't know about the others, but my patience is running very thin. Even if you did say No Refunds on the first page, you said that you would grant them. Now I don't care if you have to send Paypal, money order, check or cash even, get our refunds out and get on with life.

Thnaks very much, please get on this quickly so that we can all aprt as friends. There is no reason for us to distrust you, and maybe after you clean up your act a bit and figure out how to be a better vender, we might actually do business in the future.

Oh, and Take me off your list for the THIRD time. I am number two on your list and I no longer want to inflate your numbers for your own benefit. You have not helped me, therefore I would not like to help you.

Thank you very much,
-- Steve

Just curious.

Has anyone who requested a refund recieved it yet? There are at least three people who were on the list whose names were removed, and I assumed they are in the process of having their money refunded. But SC WRX hasn't even seen the refund though it was supposedly sent out a week ago...


Mike,

Like SLKWrx, I have asked you to remove my name from this group buy too many times to count - through every channel available - PM, e-mail, phone calls. As soon as I finish this, I'll be calling my credit card company and filing a merchant dispute.

You've given me no indications that you'll return my money in a timely manner (or even read this message). Your recent posts are vague at best - no concrete details. All I keep hearing is "No updates," "please be patient," and "I will take care of you." Lots of promises, but no action.

Why is it so difficult to refund us? You've mentioned on multiple occasions your willingness to do so.
Your Paypal account is active so it should be a simple matter of logging in and sending us our money back. And Paypal doesn't even charge you any transaction fees for sending money.
It's just as easy for those that paid with m.o./cashier's checks. Go to your local post office, buy some money orders, then mail them back to those who request them.
There's really only one reason why you wouldn't be able to send us refunds, and I don't even want to consider that you've done that.

And for those still willing to stick it out, it's long past time you ended the group buy for them. With all that's been going on here over the past two weeks, do you really think any one else is going to join now? :confused:

Please do the right thing and address all the participants of this group buy honestly.

Felix

Feel free to correct me.

No one has been refunded yet.