Alright guys... this is long over due.

Many have lowered their wagons and some have had rubbing issues in the rear when lowered and with 225/45-17" tires on either the Rota +48 offset 17x7.5" wheels as well as others.

We need to start a thread where everyone can post the following information as to help all future WRX Wagon owners ;)

Post the following

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)

Jon

the 2 wagons here use 225's and do not rub ....

SSR comp wheels 17x7.5 50mm offset

Which brand/model tires?

IIRC the offset on those wells is 50 or higher which is best for the scoobies... it's when you go +48 or lower that some have had issues.

I know from talking with you that the 225/45-17 Bridgestone RE730's should fit without any problem... what other brands/models have you had work?

How much lower than stock are these wagons as well?

Thanks Luke,

Jon

1) The suspension set-up you choose (actual drop if available)
MRT/Whiteline 30mm springs on stock suspension.

2) The wheels you choose (size & offset).
18x7.5 Prodrive P1 (+53)

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
Currently: 225/40-18 Toyo FZ4

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
No.

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
Never--not even with a full car consisting of three other adults and the rear full of luggage.

Here are some other testimonies that I've found while searching... Seems (as we all knew/suspected) that the lower offset wheels may be more of the culprit to the rubbing.

Originally posted by GravelRash
Lots (!) of fit variables here...
- Not all "215" (or any nominal size) tires are the same actual width when mounted on a given wheel size. There can be a surprising difference between brands/models.
- Wheel offset has everything to do with clearance - or lack thereof.
- And of course lowering changes the available inner fender clearance everywhere.

My own example: '02 wagon, stock suspension except for sedan rear bar. I have Prodrive P1 17x7 - which are 53mm offset - and run Michelin Pilot Sport 225/45x17. I've never had a hint of rubbing - including multiple RallyX. Which should pretty much cover the wheel travel issue :D

And of course if you change anything then YMMV ;)

Btw, thanks to those posting tire pressures - and the background on how they were selected!
Originally posted by wrxsvt
Awhile back a guy posted he was selling his Rota Battles with that size Azenis on them off of his wagon. He said there were no rubbing issues. For what it's worth, I ordered a set of P7s with 225/45 Yoko AVS ES100s for my wagon, and Tirerack guaranteed they wouldn't rub. Seems like you should be okay, and if it did rub Luke (at the Tirerack) said a fender roll that any body shop could do for $30 or so would definitely take care of it. Hope that helps.
Originally posted by mav1c
I had the Azenis on Subzeros and their was rubbing in the rear once I lowered the car. I think you should be fine at stock height though.
Originally posted by MNbiker
You should be fine w/Azenis 225/45-17 & Rota wheels, as long as you're running stock height.

1. If you lower the car, you WILL need to roll the fenders (spoken from experience).

2. If you put a couple fat friends & some cargo in the back, you will likely rub, if you push hard around corners, even at stock height.

-Steve
Originally posted by mav1c
I had my fenders rolled when I had rubbing with 225/45/17 Falken Azenis on 17x7.5 +48mm Rotas. Now I don't have to worry about what tire I run, and I could probably even go up to a 235 series tire. You'll be glad you did it in the long run because it opens up more options for tires and wheels, without worry about rubbing. :)

Thanks - Jon

Bump for an indeed long overdue thread! I'm the guy with P7s and Yoko ES100s on the way, whenever those ES100s decide to show up at the Tirerack. From the sound of things I'll have no trouble, but I'll post here after thorough testing.

Todd Stratton out of Colorado has had some informative posts on wagon suspensions and just got Prodrive springs recently, and I believe he'll be running 225/45s once winter is over. One more potential source anyway.

Luke, what exact tires are the Tirerack guys running on their SSR rims? And are their wagons lowered?

....225/45-17's on my wagon for ever, the suspension is GC adjustables and I haven't had any rubbing even when I slam it ( 3" drop) with rota's 48 offset. I did have to roll the fenders with my 18's 225/40-18 but it wasn't even very nesasary<spelling>, and those are 45 offset.

~B

03 Wagon - stock except rear sway and exhaust.
Not lowered.
Prodrive P1 17X7 with Kumho Ecsta 712 in 225-45-17 size.
No apparent rubbing (how would you know?) with four passengers and a load of groceries in the rear. :) No autocross yet, but I drive quickly on the twisties.

Originally posted by WRX-U
....225/45-17's on my wagon for ever, the suspension is GC adjustables and I haven't had any rubbing even when I slam it ( 3" drop) with rota's 48 offset. I did have to roll the fenders with my 18's 225/40-18 but it wasn't even very nesasary<spelling>, and those are 45 offset.

~B Please list tire brand & modelOriginally posted by WRC-Go
03 Wagon - stock except rear sway and exhaust.
Not lowered.
Prodrive P1 17X7 with Kumho Ecsta 712 in 225-45-17 size.
No apparent rubbing (how would you know?) with four passengers and a load of groceries in the rear. :) No autocross yet, but I drive quickly on the twisties. Let's keep this on topic, it is for those with lowered cars. 4 passengers although will lower the car, won't be a good enough test as most with lowered wagons will have had experiences with the same amount of people/groceries. :p

Thanks - Jon

That's it? No other responses?

Come on guys.

I have an 02 wagon full STI setup (struts, springs, control arms, ect.), Rota SubZero's 17x7.5 and Toyo Proxes T1-S 225-45R17 tires. They rub very slightly on the front fender liners at full streering lock.

2002 WRX wagon, 17x7 OZ SLs, +48 offset, 225/45/17 SO3s, full SPT suspension (struts, springs, rear trailing/lateral control arms, bushings). No rubbing front or back hard driving with 2 persons. No rubbing 4 persons moderate driving. Whoo, Hoo, first post. :)

John

1) The suspension set-up you choose (actual drop if available)
DMS 40 (Recommended drop... not much)

2) The wheels you choose (size & offset).
1st Set: Rota Sub Zero 17" x 7.5" +48
2nd Set: Rota Attack 17 x 7.5" +48

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
Falken Azenis 225/45/17 on both

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
None

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
a) Under full lock on hard cornering, very little rubbing on the front struts.
b) Full car, 3 passengers and a driver. Hit a hard bump will have the rubber hit the rear strut with a 'squeak'. Again, nothing to be concerned about. (IMHO)

Keep the info coming guys....

anyone else?

I will be testing some Rota Tarmacs with 225/45-17 Falken Azenis on a Prodrive spring equipped WRX wagon next month. I plan to thrash it in some tight and high speed turns... hopefully I'll find out some good news. I'd be willing to guess they are the widest 225/45-17 tire out there right now.

Thanks - Jon

I'm surprised at the lack of response in this thread... is this information not of use to others?

Stock suspension - 225/45/17 Pilot Sport A/S on P7's no rubbing - great tire! - Zman

My new setup: 225/45 17's on 17x7.5" wheels lowered .5" with GC's- no rubbage so far. Next week is a track event, so I'll post a followup if you guys want one. -Bolster

Originally posted by omahasubaru
I'm surprised at the lack of response in this thread... is this information not of use to others?

its very useful actually! Great thread! Its just most are probably running 215/45-17's. I will be getting T1-S's in a couple of weeks. 225/45-17 on my STI Genome suspension (about 3/4" drop) and Rota Tarmacs (17 x 7.5, ET48). I'll post then if there is any rubbage.

I had the Tarmacs w/225/45/17 Kuhmo 712s, no rubbing...

I also had the Battles w/225/45/17 Azenis, light rubbing...

Both were +48 offset, and the wagon is stock except rear sway and endlinks...

I appreciate the info from the guys on stock suspension.. but as the subject says this is more focused towards lowered wagons... Rubbing is more prone to the lowered cars (obviously).. If possible to keep this post fuller of useful testimonys... lets keep it to lowered '02-> wrx/ts wagons.

Thanks - Jon

bump

I chickened out and got 215/45-17's.

What brand/model? What suspension are you planning on running?

Well, since Omaha chickened out and made his skinny little 215-width tire purchase :), let's DO keep this thread going for both stock and lowered wagons. It seems that certain wheel and 225-width tire combos DO rub even on stock wagons, and that info is useful to me and no dobut a few others out there. I'm STILL waiting for my 225/45 ES100s to come in (since late January) and be mounted on my P7s and shipped. I may not wait much longer though, and try something else. I'll be helping a friend with a wagon install P7s with Eagle F1 GS-D3s on his car this weekend that are 225/45, so I'll report back on that even though I assume they won't be rubbing.

So basically, I'm hijacking this thread and would like to continue hearing about rubbing issues (or no rubbing issues) from folks that have 225/45 tires on their wagons with ALL types of suspension including stock. Thus far, from what I have read, the following are true statements regarding stock-height wagons:

- With an offset of 50 or greater and a 7" wide wheel, there appear to be NO rubbing issues on a stock wagon regardless of tire, although I haven't seen a post of anyone running Falken Azenis on a 7" wide wheel with an offset of 50 or more.

- Falkens seem to be the 'widest' 225 tire

- Falkens will rub with a 48 offset, 7.5" wheel, though the rubbing is minor

- Lots of guys with wagons run Falkens.

Please feel free to confirm or deny any of the above and add your own experiences. . . .

Phil

1) Eibach Pro Kits ( 1.3" F, 1" R ), stock struts
2) Rota SDR 17x7.5 48mm
3) Bridgestone Pole Position S-03 215/45ZR 17
4) None
5) Yes

got the wheels on the car on tuesday. i took an on ramp pretty hard and got the tires to rub. they hit the fender protector and destroyed a small section of it, enough to expose the metal clips that keep it snug against the fender.

no damage to the car ( other than the protector ), but the tire has a few razor thin slices in the top most corner of the tread. the tire seems fine.

i am going to pursue alternative remedees to this, but will most likely have the fenders rolled as opposed to replacing the springs.

i just got off the phone with a friend of mine that owns a body shop... i'm meeting him on monday to have the fenders rolled. ( if it aint one thing, its another. so goes it when modding yer car ).

.roland

Okay, had these big boys mounted this morning and have thrown the car hard into some tight 90 degree corners and blasted through some deep dips straight on and at angles to try to induce some rubbage. So far no noise, no rubbing. This is with a full tank and just me in the car. I placed the wheel/tire next to the stock RE-92 set up and the Toyo's are a bit taller. I wish they had a 40 series, that might be a better option. The Yoko. Intermediates I had on before were 215/45-17, lot's of clearance. I'll report further if I ever get a wagon full of people and see what its like. So far, I'd say this tire in this size is good to go on a lowered wagon.

Specs:
1) STi Genome Wagon Suspension, approx. 3/4" drop all around
2) Rota Tarmacs 7.5 X 17, 48ET
3) Toyo Proxes T1-S
4) No mods to prevent rubbing
5) No rubbing

EDIT: Just adding that there is no rubbing at full lock both directions going over dips and normal turning on flat surfaces.

I'm the friend wrxsvt mentioned, and we did indeed install my wheels last weekend. I've driven them enough to know they're not rubbing at all, including some mid-corner bumps in a hard corner on a 270 cloverleaf ramp. No rubbing problems at all.

STOCK suspension
Prodrive P7's, 17x7 52mm offset
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3, 225/45/17

No rubbing.

Not to be picky or a punk, but do people actually read the subject & the first thread?

We're getting responses from people with 215/45-17's that are lowered & then people who actually have the right size tires (225/45-17), but they are on stock suspension. URGH! ;)

Hey Jon, maybe you can pick through this thread for the info that actually deal with your original subject and compile them in your first post, that way people don't have to sift through the unecessary stuff.

BTW, if you ( or anyone) want pics of the the Toyo's on the Tarmacs with the Genome suspension, I can mail them to you. Just post you email address here.

I must also add that it is somewhat informative, though off topic, to hear of people who have 215/45-17's who get rubbage with lowered suspension. Might make one avoid that particular combo.

arnie

Omaha, I brazenly hijacked this thread :), after you announced you got your 215s, and intended it to include ANYONE with 225s and a wagon regardless of suspension. Perhaps I should have started a new thread, but this one generally applies to 225s on a wagon so I figured why bother? Have one thread with all the info instead.

As for the 215 guys, that's good info but I'm pretty sure you can't get 215s to rub no matter what (within reason). Please do post if you have 215s on a wagon and they do rub though!

Anyone have thoughts on this potential set up?

SSR Competition 17X7.5
Potenza S-03 Pole Position or Eagle F1 GS-D3 225/45/17

What suspension would have a good chance of not rubbing these on a wagon if I drop around .75 inches?

Tein SS/Flex/Wagon?

DMS Gold 40mm coilover?

JIC-Magic FLT-A2?

Or any other preferred coilovers with this wheel/tire combo?

installed prodrives on my wagon today.....only got to take it on a short test drive on a bumpy road by my house......ride is not much harsher if not at all, then stock. Some bumps even seem to be smoother. Didn't hear any rubbing....but i also didn't get to push it that hard in a corner. I'm running attacks with 225/45/17 kumho 712's I'll post back later after I get to drive around a bit more and let them settle down. I highly reccommend these springs:cool:

mike

QUOTE{I'm running attacks with 225/45/17 kumho 712's I'll post back later after I get to drive around a bit more and let them settle down. I highly reccommend these springs:cool:}

Hey Mike,

This is my tire/wheel combo. I'm also thinking of the Prodrive springs but am concerned about rubbing during hard cornering and/or a full load. Be sure to let us know!

Eric

PS Any pics??

haven't really had a chance to take some good pics....been overcast lately. I haven't really been able to do any real hard cornering either. But when took 2 other friends for a ride. Didn't hear any rubbing under full throttle, mod swerving, mod cornering(it was raining hehe)

drop is pretty even with rear being maybe a couple mm higher. I'm expecting them to settle down and even out. The thing you have to remember is that these are primarily sedan springs....on the stock sedans the difference in fender gaps from F&R is 20mm, on the wgn the difference is only 11mm
here are the best pics i have taken so far

http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/15040/p/286532_7437748761834446325_vl.jpg
http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/15040/p/286509_7916807959931865906_vl.jpg

Anyone know if Rota SDR (17x7.5 +48) with Yokohama AVS ES100 225/45/17 w/ ProDrive springs will rub? How about stock height?

I also have a 225/45/17 on Rota Tarmacs with Bridgestone Sport Contacts. and no rubbing after really hard driving?? Haven't put springs on yet, however, there is alot of room between strut assy's and tires. Springs will be added later this week.

Have a 2002 WRX wagon with some serious rubbing issues.

The rear track (on stock 16" rims) measures approx. 3/4" wider than other wagons of same model year yet identical to 2002-2003 WRX sedans. Car has a build date of 7/01 which seems very early for a 2002 wagon. In both cases below Kumho Ecsta MX 100 tires are mounted.

215/45/17 tires on 48et rims WILL rub in back on both stock springs and H&R's. When lower it rubs easier but even at stock levels when under load it will make contact with the fender. 225/45/17 rubs severely at any ride height will almost any load. Even the 205/55/16's will rub slightly under "track" conditions.

Luke? any insight experience with this??

Thanks,
Lee

Originally posted by LRSWRX
Have a 2002 WRX wagon with some serious rubbing issues.

The rear track (on stock 16" rims) measures approx. 3/4" wider than other wagons of same model year yet identical to 2002-2003 WRX sedans. Car has a build date of 7/01 which seems very early for a 2002 wagon. In both cases below Kumho Ecsta MX 100 tires are mounted.

215/45/17 tires on 48et rims WILL rub in back on both stock springs and H&R's. When lower it rubs easier but even at stock levels when under load it will make contact with the fender. 225/45/17 rubs severely at any ride height will almost any load. Even the 205/55/16's will rub slightly under "track" conditions.

Luke? any insight experience with this??

Thanks,
Lee

Lee, have you checked your alignment of late? Perhaps the rear spec is out of whack. If you are running positve camber or even zero camber the arc of the wheel travel might cause the contact/rubbing. Other than that they could have messed up seriously in the production of your car and used sedan components that widened the track! That would be freaky but it would at least be a warranty situation. 3/4" wider track is pretty much the sedan track measurement.

Stock height, but did 700 mile trip with 5 people and luggage in the car, so it was lowered for a while.

225/45/17 AVS Sports.

P7's 53mm offset.

No rubbing. Ever.

Curt

Originally posted by LRSWRX
Have a 2002 WRX wagon with some serious rubbing issues.

The rear track (on stock 16" rims) measures approx. 3/4" wider than other wagons of same model year yet identical to 2002-2003 WRX sedans. Car has a build date of 7/01 which seems very early for a 2002 wagon. In both cases below Kumho Ecsta MX 100 tires are mounted.

215/45/17 tires on 48et rims WILL rub in back on both stock springs and H&R's. When lower it rubs easier but even at stock levels when under load it will make contact with the fender. 225/45/17 rubs severely at any ride height will almost any load. Even the 205/55/16's will rub slightly under "track" conditions.

Luke? any insight experience with this??

Thanks,
Lee

Got the usual 17x7.5 +48 off set rotas w/225/45 Kumhos's.....no rubbing on the beautiful streets of NYC!!!:D

Just lucky I guess :p

Since the thread is about fitting 225's maybe nobody would be interested that I just put 235's on my wagon without rubbing.

I just put 235/40/17 Kumho Ecsta V700's on Rota Subzero's (17 x 7.5 +48). Actual section width of these tire on these rims is 9 1/8" (9.125"). I am running STI suspension with Cucso rear swaybar set on 24mm. On my quick test drive last night I was not able to induce ANY rubbing. I rolled my fenders last weekend in perperation for mounting these, but I'm not even sure if it was necessary. As far as strut clearance I have at least half an inch.

As a caveat I must say that these are my autox/track wheels/tires and will never be on the car with a load in the back (be it people or stuff). Still, at this point the clearance looks pretty good. I have an autox this weekend that will be the real test of clearance. I'll post an update next week.

Originally posted by tegnwrx
haven't really had a chance to take some good pics....been overcast lately. I haven't really been able to do any real hard cornering either. But when took 2 other friends for a ride. Didn't hear any rubbing under full throttle, mod swerving, mod cornering(it was raining hehe)

drop is pretty even with rear being maybe a couple mm higher. I'm expecting them to settle down and even out. The thing you have to remember is that these are primarily sedan springs....on the stock sedans the difference in fender gaps from F&R is 20mm, on the wgn the difference is only 11mm
here are the best pics i have taken so far

http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/15040/p/286532_7437748761834446325_vl.jpg
http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/15040/p/286509_7916807959931865906_vl.jpg

What suspension are you using?

Rallyman5:

Originally posted by tegnwrx
installed prodrives on my wagon today.....only got to take it on a short test drive on a bumpy road by my house......ride is not much harsher if not at all, then stock. Some bumps even seem to be smoother. Didn't hear any rubbing....but i also didn't get to push it that hard in a corner. I'm running attacks with 225/45/17 kumho 712's I'll post back later after I get to drive around a bit more and let them settle down. I highly reccommend these springs:cool:

mike

So has anyone ran 225/45/17 using TEIN flexes???

Well I ran the autoX on Sunday with the new wheels & tires and had a great time. My run group was the dryest of the day, so I was able to explore the limits of the new tires' adhesion. R compounds are NIIICCCEEE. Now, to answer the question on everyone's mind, I HAD ZERO RUBBING. For curiosity's sake I wish I hadn't rolled my rear fenders in preperation, because I think this setup would have cleared without it. Oh well. I'll need them rolled when I go for a lower ride hight. I'll post an update when I do.

To sum up, 235/40/17's (9.125" actual section width) on 17 x 7.5 +48 wheels will work on a WRX wagon with STI struts and springs. I am also running a Cusco rear swaybar set on 24mm, but I think the STI rear sway would work in this setup as well (without rubbing that is).

Any questions?

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available) STI VR7-RA with STI Wagon Coils about 1/4" lower
2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
17×7.5J 5 100 48
http://www.prodrive-japan.com/products/gc_06d_forged/img/gc_06d_forged_b02.jpg
3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).Falken Azenis 225/45/17
4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?Rolled the rear fenders rubbed
5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)Not anymore

NICD.....got picS?

nicd - how much did they rub on your wagon? since it appeas that Falkens run wider, would you have expected to need to roll the fenders with something like an S-03?

Originally posted by OedipusWRX
Well I ran the autoX on Sunday with the new wheels & tires and had a great time. My run group was the dryest of the day, so I was able to explore the limits of the new tires' adhesion. R compounds are NIIICCCEEE. Now, to answer the question on everyone's mind, I HAD ZERO RUBBING. For curiosity's sake I wish I hadn't rolled my rear fenders in preperation, because I think this setup would have cleared without it. Oh well. I'll need them rolled when I go for a lower ride hight. I'll post an update when I do.

To sum up, 235/40/17's (9.125" actual section width) on 17 x 7.5 +48 wheels will work on a WRX wagon with STI struts and springs. I am also running a Cusco rear swaybar set on 24mm, but I think the STI rear sway would work in this setup as well (without rubbing that is).

Any questions?

Thats good news. Someone should try those 17x8 45 enkies with 235/40 on a wagon.

Yeah, you should. :p

nicd-

I'm totally green with envy! I love the rims.

I also "Chickened" out when buying tires. Went with the 215's.

Sry if I mess up the thread :rolleyes:

Originally posted by mlambert


Thats good news. Someone should try those 17x8 45 enkies with 235/40 on a wagon.

I've kinda considered it, but it would probably be a while as I don't want to spend the money right now. I'd feel better about it if the Enkeis weren't +45 offset too.

Thats good news. Someone should try those 17x8 45 enkies with 235/40 on a wagon.

Yeah, I would like to try those as well. The 235/40 Kumho's really should be on at least an 8 inch rim. They are a bit pinched on the Rota's. Problem is right now my credit card is glowing red and smoking. I need to let it cool down before I try and use it again;) .

They rubbed too much not to roll the fenders. If I am not mistaken the 225 Azenis is like a 235 in most other brands.

I imported these when I ran the GB for the GC07C.

I am having them put back on as we speak so I will post some pictures later.

Specs:
1) Tein s-tech springs (wagon specific)
2) Rota subsero's 7.5 X 17, 48ET
3) Falken Azenis 225/45/17
4) Rolled fenders
5) Still rubs under hard cornering

Just to let you know, I haven't rolled the fenders completely flat, although they are close...I am not sure what else to do, I have tried my luck with eibachs, now I have tried a wagon specific spring....Hope this helps

Originally posted by jehcpa
Yeah, you should. :p

Honestly, I'm really close to it...but I'm not hip on being the trailblazer :p

Whoops, need to revise my previous assement. My T1-S's, 225/45-17 had slight rubbing fully laden. Just the outside edge of the sidewall from the rubber trim. Not too worried but perhaps a hair more negative rear camber might help. Don't really want to roll the fenders.

Originally posted by LRSWRX
Have a 2002 WRX wagon with some serious rubbing issues.

The rear track (on stock 16" rims) measures approx. 3/4" wider than other wagons of same model year yet identical to 2002-2003 WRX sedans. Car has a build date of 7/01 which seems very early for a 2002 wagon. In both cases below Kumho Ecsta MX 100 tires are mounted.

215/45/17 tires on 48et rims WILL rub in back on both stock springs and H&R's. When lower it rubs easier but even at stock levels when under load it will make contact with the fender. 225/45/17 rubs severely at any ride height will almost any load. Even the 205/55/16's will rub slightly under "track" conditions.

Luke? any insight experience with this??

Thanks,
Lee

Wow, that is strange. My wagon has a 5/01 build date (yesterday was its birthday!!) but I've never noticed any rubbing with prodrive springs and stock-sized snow tires. Now that the snow tires are almost bald (two long winters) I'll be putting on my worn RE730s in 225/45 (UK 17 inch rims, 53mm offet) tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes.

TRS

I have this setup on my '03 wagon and have no issues with rubbing whatsoever:

Specs:
1) Prodrive springs
2) 17 x 7.5 Rota Attacks with 48mm Offset
3) 225/45/17 Sumitomo HTRZ IIs
4) None
5) Nope

Waited a week after installing springs before having it professionally aligned to -0.7F and -1.2R camber

Jimbo

I am going to chime in on this.

Specs:
1) Eibach Pro kit
2) 17 x 7.5 Tarmac with 48mm Offset
3) 225/45/17 SO3
4) None
5) No rubbing, though when I once tried to do a doughnut I'm sure my front tires rubbed. Got me scared there and I stopped.

Now that I'll be getting a STI V2 front lip for my wagon, I have another thing to worry.

BTW if anyone interested on the lip check this thread. Qvelocity vendor is close to completion.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=353994

This is all so confusing

Currently I have:

1. Prodrive Springs
2. Prodrive P7's (+52)
3. 215/45-17 S03's
4. No Rubbing
5. No Fender Roll

But......

My S03's are almost gone and I can't afford $700+ for new tires this time around.

I really want to get Falken Azenis', but since they are a wide 225, I'm worried about rubbing. Not so much on the fender, but on the strut.

2002 wagon with Ground Control adjustable coilovers and Eibach springs (F315#; R280#). Lowered about 3/4" for the street.

No rubbing with either:
Rota Attacks 17x7.5 (ET48) Toyo T1-S, 225/45x17 or SSR Comps 17x7.5 (ET50) Bridgestone S-03, 225/45x17

On track with the suspension lowered another 1/2" (1 1/4" - 1 1/2" total) the Attack/Toyos rubbed the rear fender liner a bit. So I had the fenders rolled (front ones too!).

Inner clearance is close to being an issue as well. Both setups are less than 5mm from both the front and rear struts.

Kumho Victoracer V700 (225/45x17) will be mounted on the Attacks for next weekend trackday.

:D

Planet,

I highly recommend the Sumi HTR ZIIs @ $98 a pop from TireRack. Would also recommend you check out the Yoko AVS ES100 for about $10 more each. I wanted the Yokos which were on backorder, so I opted for the Sumis and have been happy.

Jimbo

I had to roll my fenders with S03s and Tein Wagon coilovers lowered 1". Serious rubbing at autox.

Originally posted by jehcpa
nicd - how much did they rub on your wagon? since it appeas that Falkens run wider, would you have expected to need to roll the fenders with something like an S-03?

Lets hear the testimonies! Anyone running prodrive springs on their wagon with 225/45/17 Sumitomo HTR+s? Any issues?:confused:

I'm running prodrive springs and if you read earlier 215/45-17 Kumho 711's.

I will soon be running 225/45-17 Falken Azenis RS one of the widest tires in that size. I'll let you all know how the 'rubbing' if any goes. I will adjust rear camber as needed & will probablly roll the fenders as a precontionary, but hopefully I can get away without rolling them.

Thanks - Jon

It would be great if you didn't roll the fenders at first to see if you can get away with it. :)

Little off subject but I am running 225/40/18 yoko es100s with prodrive springs no rub at all. Drove it pretty hard this weekend and had no issues



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Updated photos with tint. Little grainy will have better photos soon
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Post the following

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
50mm DMS Rally-style setup (maybe 1/2" drop if that ... not much)

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
SSR Competitions 17x7.5 ET50

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
Dunlop SP9090 in 225/45-17

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
none

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
no, not on California fireroad waterbars or on hard camber turns on the track.

tmking:

Just wanted to say that you wagon looks absolutely badass!:eek:

I'm having prodrives installed on mine next week, and will post pics. Thanks for the info!

Regards:disco:

Originally posted by mtb_dude
It would be great if you didn't roll the fenders at first to see if you can get away with it. :) I'll do that. Would you like me to put the stock rear bolts back in? I'm currently running camber bolts to take out some of the negative rear camber I got when I lowered it.

Thanks - Jon

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)

tein wagon. perches are at the very bottom... not sure what ride height that adds up to.

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).

18x7.5+48 advan rg.

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).

225/40/18 michelin pilot sx-gt. yeah i know different size but same problem regardless...

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?

die grinder :D

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)

it used to (see above) :lol:

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1) stock

2) Stock 04 STi BBS 17x7.5

3) 225/45/17 Potenza R070

4) none

5) not a bit

judgegavel,

Do you know what offset those wheels are? I think the two most important parameters for fitting 225s to a wagon are wheel width and offset. I'd be real interested to know what the offset of the STi wheels are. They must've cost you a pretty penny!

Im pretty sure its 48 I have to check though. On a side note does anyone know correct tire pressure for 225/45/17s

Checked rims cant find where off set is listed except a 53 with a symbol that looked like a script M, so it could be 53

I'm pretty sure that "53" is the offset. I have the same markings on my Prodrive P7s, and I know for a fact that they are 52mm offset!

Post a pic of those STi wheels on your wagon! Sweet!

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Hoped those work,if not try the below links

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looks sweet:eek:
You gotta love the wagon!
:disco:

1) Prodrive Springs

2) Prodrive P7s w/ 225/45/17 Sumitomo HTR+

3) Nada!

4) That's a big negative!



Wagon feels like a completely different car now!!:banana: :disco: :banana: :disco:

Jfrankon: how much lower with the prodrives, hows the overall ride.
Picture?

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17" Subzeros

225/45-17 Sumitomo HTR+ tires.

About 3 months on Tein S-tech sedan springs with no rubbing at all. Also have Perrin rear swaybar and endlinks set on 22mm. That probably helps keep it from rubbing a little.

i'm in the same boat as many of us here - i'm on Prodrive springs with Koni inserts and had to borrow a friends tires to get home after a track day - he had 17"x7.5" ET50 SSR Comps with 225/45/17 Azenis and i had rubbing issues. I know the Rotas in +48 will rub, but what about the UK rims?

Anyone have any experience running those on a wagon?
I'd love to be able to run 225 Azenis without the need to roll the fenders, but I'm not sure if that's feasible. Anyone?:confused:

so to recap:
1) Prodrive Springs
2) ......................................... - fill in the blank
3) Azenis 225/45/17
4) No
5) No

Post the following

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available) - Stock suspension

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset). Rota Tarmacs 17x7.5 +48

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17). Goodyear F1 GS-D3

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing? Not Yet, but I will.

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no) Yup - When the back is loaded, rubbing noticed going over "speed humps and when hitting dips or bumps in long sweeping turns, like on/off ramps

Jon

I figured I should update this thread since I've switched tire size now.

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available) - Prodrive springs, CUSCO front swaybar, Cusco rear swaybar set in the middle

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset). Rota SDR 17x7.5 +48

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17). Falken Azenis 225/45-17

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing? Yes.

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no) Not usually

With the previous tire I experienced no rubbing so I then added a rear camber bolt to help tune out some rear negative camber. When I switched to the Azenis I experienced some rubbing. Part of it was the crappy whiteline camber bolts that wouldn't hold my settings no matter how hard I tigtened them & the lack of negative camber.

I've since put the stock camber bolts back in & removed the rubber strips & have no problems from day to day & autocross. I only experience a little rubbing when cornering agressively & fully loaded... I.E. 4 adult passengars + me the driver. Or half that load & on a high speed hard turn with a bump.

I'm happy to say I consider it a success that I can run 225/45-17 Azenis Sports (RS). 99% of the time I don't rub which is awesome!
It's helped me shave quite a bit of time off at the autocross compared to the Kuhmo 711's I was running (obviously).

Thanks - Jon

Hey all,

I know it's been some time now but just wanted to re-hash this same subject.

Of you who have the Falken Azenis in 225/45-17's on a lowered wagon, how is it going? And what did you end up doing to solve any problems?

Jon - I know you said you are having good luck after you removed the rubber fender piece. How has it been the past month or two since you last posted? Have you tracked the car or only auto-x?

I need new track tires and would like to go with the same tires but don't want to roll the fenders :rolleyes:

On a side note...has anyone tried the 235/45-17 RA-1's on the wagon? I know they work on the sedan and the guy that was running them said they fit more like a 225. Just wondering...but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work :( The tire width is 9.3" and the dia. is 25.4 inflated.

LB

For those that solved their Azenis problems, how did camber play a role in your solution? I really love these tires, but I might have to go to KDW2s since they are narrower by a small margin. They probably don't meet the grip of the Azenis, but if you can't get coilovers on the car, it doesn't matter much anyway I would think.

Originally posted by mtb_dude
For those that solved their Azenis problems, how did camber play a role in your solution? I really love these tires, but I might have to go to KDW2s since they are narrower by a small margin. They probably don't meet the grip of the Azenis, but if you can't get coilovers on the car, it doesn't matter much anyway I would think.

mtb_dude,

I just picked up a set of the KDW NT (new tread) last Friday and so far they are great. But I did end up going with the 215 again. Before I had the S03's in 215.

Lowball

Anyone know how Pirelli PZero Neros compare as 225/45/17 in terms of width; are they wide tires, narrow, or fairly average? Thanks!

17/7.5, 48 off 225-45s neogen on volk 57s, stock with no rub...

I believe the nero's are pretty average width but what is helpful about their profile is that the shoulders a bit more rounded compared to the very squarish S03 or Azenis Sport. It gives the tire a bit more clearance as it arcs its way through its range of travel. Nice tire too, I'm probably going to try those after my T1-Ss are gone.

1) STi 4-way adjustable struts/springs 'pink'

2) 17"x7.5" Rota SDR 48mm off set.

3) BFG g-force T/A/ KD's 225/45/17

4) Not yet but heading that direction (fenders are getting rolled tomorrow). :rolleyes:

5) Yes, rubbing on hard corning (in the rear), but not str-8 line driving.

I was running 215's with no problems so I decided to go for the 225's, but the BFG's rub on the back tires. They may be a little bigger than other brands in the same size. Not sure what the spec. are exactly.

Where are the 18 inchers out there?!?!??

Lowball,

No rubbing in the front and only rubbing on hard corners in the rear is that correct? Did you roll all four corners or just the rear? Finally :) how's it working out?

Originally posted by mtb_dude
Lowball,

No rubbing in the front and only rubbing on hard corners in the rear is that correct? Did you roll all four corners or just the rear? Finally :) how's it working out?

Before fender roll:
No rubbing on the front.

Rubbing on the rear, on freeway on/off ramps and hard street cornering (Think I just said hard corning before).

After fender roll:
Rolled the rears only. I took it to this place that does custom cars/work and they charge much more but the guy did an awesome job and he said if I needed more clearance then bring it back and he'd roll it up some more. He said that the lip on the inside of the fender is for structural rigidity and that he trys to give enough clearance but leave some rigidity by not rolling it all the way flat, and he even put back on the rubber pieces.

Working out fine right now. But haven't given it a true, true test yet. I didn't notice any rubbing on the on/off ramp on the way home, which is sweet, but need to take it on some really hard stuff to give it the full test. I'll take it out tomorrow night if the weather is good and give it a better test and let you know.

Lowball

Great post! Would i rub with 215/40/18 with prodrive springs on my wagon?
thanks
cm

also would i be able to get away with 225/40/18 tires? thanks

oh yeah i more think...what offset would i need? thanks

> 1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)

DMS 50s. Still fine tuning but they are sitting at about 240mm fender top to mid wheel front and about 250 in the back. (Goal is to get 255/260 F/R)

> 2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).

Rota Subzero 17X7.5 +48

>3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).

Falken Azenis 225/47-17

>4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?

Nope

>5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)

I tried to put max camber on the rear only to have the tire rub against the spring perch (rather nasty sound btw only made it down the driveway). Was running low on time and light so went safe with 0 to -0..2 camber. Plenty of clearance to the strut, but now rear fenders rub on anything more than a normal turn. There's room to move back the camber inside a bit and I'm thinking I could possibly get it to only rub on super tight turns. I think the fact that it's sitting a little too low still might also have something to do with it. Only have about 100 miles on it so far.

Update: Got rear wheels to about -.9 degrees camber and zero toe. Also got the ride height up to about 257-260mm. It still rubs in the rear, but you really have to give it almost 10/10ths to get it to rub. Personally, I'm getting sick of the Azenis :lol: and thinking about Pilot Sport PS2s. Don't get me wrong they grip like mad but they are at about 2.5-3/32nds and they make more noise then the engine at idle. Plus the .3 inch less section width of the PS2 could mean the difference between rub and no rub.

> 1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)

Prodrive springs on oem struts. 0.5" drop in rear, 1.5" drop in front. i measured b4 and after :)

> 2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).

2004 USDM STI BBS 17x7.5 +53 offset.

>3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).

Bridgestone Potenza RE-040 225/45-17

>4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?

Nope

>5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)

NOPE :D

FYI.. 2004 wagon

> 1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)

Stock

> 2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).

Rota SDR 17x7.5 offset 48

>3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).

Kumho Ecsta 711 (225/45-17)

>4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?

Nope

>5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)

Yes... with three people in the back

> 1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
tein s springs

> 2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
usdm sti bbs wheels 17x7.5 & +53

>3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
Kumho Ecsta 711 (225/45-17)

>4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
none at all

>5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
no way these wheel are razor sharp looking, and i've tryed everything but nothing will make them rub. :banana:

it seems like the high offset of the sti bbs rims allows for more clearence when running the 225's. Is this true and if so...why? I guess I don't understand how the offset actually works.

I want to run Toyo RA-1 on my wag but they only come in 235/45, 235/40 and 205/50 17's. And to use the different sizes you need different widths of rims 7.5 or 8. But if I step up to 18's then it seems like 225/40 18's will work (again with the right offset I guess).

LB :confused:

offset is the distance between the hub mounting surface and the centerline of the wheel. the hub mounting surface is always toward the outside (face) of the wheel. since the centerline never changes, higher offset wheels push the hub mounting surface outward, closer to the face of the wheel, effectively pushing the entire wheel toward the center of the car.

alittle off the subject but when i plus sized my wheels(stock 16's to bbs 17's) i could totally tell. i could feel all the bumbs in the road. i really don't think the 18's are the way to go. i love the perfomance the 17's give me, and its an acceptable trade off, ride for performance. with the 18's you'll loose perf. and you'll loose ride quality, plus the tires are expensive. stick with the 17's just my 2 cents. :cool:

> 1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
tein h tech

> 2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
piaa fs-rs 17x7, 52mm

>3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
Nitto Neo-gen (225/45-17)

>4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
none at all

>5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
not even close

alittle off the subject but when i plus sized my wheels(stock 16's to bbs 17's) i could totally tell. i could feel all the bumbs in the road. i really don't think the 18's are the way to go. i love the perfomance the 17's give me, and its an acceptable trade off, ride for performance. with the 18's you'll loose perf. and you'll loose ride quality, plus the tires are expensive. stick with the 17's just my 2 cents. :cool:
wtlw

I've got an 04 USDM STi suspension on my 02 wagon w/ 17 in Rota Attacks and RE070's--also Whiteline sways/endlinks and antilift. I get serious rear rubbing on the fender during all-out cornering--that becomes unbearable w/ heavy loads. Also, no body shop in my area wants to do fender rolling. Can I do this safely/cosmetically myself? Anyone got a link that provides equipment/directions?

Found a shop that will roll and touch-up paint for $145. :)

This eliminated all problems :cool:

I've used Michelin Pilot Sport and Pilot Sport A/S in 225/45YR17 (OK, it's R17 Y), with no rubbing at all:

04 Wagon
Stock or Tein Coliover suspension (used both)
OZ Superleggera 17x7 offset 48 or Rota Torque 17x8 offset 48 wheels.
Stock calipers or Brembos

I've never rubbed, and I've RallyX'd the car.

-Sean

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)

STi V7 struts & springs

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).

17" x 7.5" Rota Subzero, +48mm offset

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).

225/45-17 Falken Azenis Sports

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?

no

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)

no


I will be adding V7 STi pink springs soon. I will update when I do.
EDIT:

I installed STi pink springs on my wagon and I now have rubbing in the rear when cornering hard. I will need to roll my rear fender lip.

this is going to be my setup
04 usdm sti bbs 17x7.5 with 225/45/17 tires
04 Koni inserts with 04 Prodrive springs

this is going to be my setup
04 usdm sti bbs 17x7.5 with 225/45/17 tires
Prodrive wagon springs
what do you guys think, sti pink or prodrive wagon springs?

i thought prodrive drop only 20mm, but someone measured 0.5" in rear, 1.5" in front?

sti bbs and 225-45-17, with prodrive is what i used to run. and the drop is actually 0.5 rear and 1.5 front. ive measured. yes i am a dork. i got prodrives cuz of the linear rate and even drop. its a good setup. now ive switched wheels to 6 spoke rs with 225-50-16, havent bought tires yet, choosing between FK451 and MX. hope this helps.

oh your setup will not rub one bit, you should totally do it.

prodrive will drop .5 in the rear and 1.5 in the front? how is that an even drop and that's like 30mm then...... i guess i would go for pink sti springs...
anyone else can give me some advice?

an even drop meaning the front and rear gaps between the fender and tire are even. since the wrx at stock is one inch higher in the front, the prodrives will keep the fender gaps even.

I have an 04 wagon. I want to put the eibach prokit for the wagon, and rota torques 17 x 7.5 +48 and maybe the toyo proxis 4's (225/45/17). Do you think I will rub?

Section widths of about 8.9 and higher are problematic. At least for +48 with a 7.5 width.

update to an oldie-but-goodie thread:

> 1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)

Prodrive springs on Koni inserts. 0.5" drop in rear, 1+ drop in front - running Noltec camber/caster plates

> 2) The wheels you chose (size & offset). UPDATE:

BBS oem '04 STI 17x7.5 ET53

>3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17). UPDATE

Bridgestone RE070 in 225/45-17

>4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?

agressive street alignment: -2 degrees camber front/-1.5 rear (camber bolts), +5.3 caster (w/Noltecs and ALK), tiny amount of toe-in front/0 rear

>5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)

No - even when heavily loaded or at extreme angle of attack

lowered on prodrives
rota 17x7.5 48et
hankook r-s2 225/45/17
no mods to body to prevent rubbing yet (rear camber is -1.5)

just got the tires today....went for quick test drive...no rubbing. I had one person sit on pass rear seat, one on the pass side of trunk area. and i stood on the doorsill with the door open and jumped up and down while keeping a hand in the fender area....Doesn't look like I'd have rubbing issues. I'm going to the auto-x sun and will find out then if it rubs

check this post of pics comparing 225 712's, 225 rs-2, and 215/45 lm-22
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=743928

Thanks everyone, this is a great thread for someone like me who's currently in the market. I searched the thread for this and didn't seem to find it, but I could have missed it.

I plan to be autocrossing casually and I want a cheap summer tire on my Prodrive P7's (17x7 +52mm offset, the wheel I've pretty much decided on). I think I want Falken Azenis or Kuhmo 712's. I understand the Falkens are considered the widest, but it sounds like both of these would fit in 225/45, right?

I also may get Prodrive springs sometime soon after. That's what I'm hesitant about. Anyone have thoughts about the 225/45 Falkens with Prodrive springs?

If anyone knows where they sell these in a package deal, let me know ;)

Prodrive P7's... I also may get Prodrive springs sometime soon after...Anyone have thoughts about the 225/45 Falkens with Prodrive springs?that combo will be no problem thanks to the wheel offset being high - and 17x7 to boot - and the Prodrive springs' drop being moderate.

the P7 is the best looking wheel on a wagon IMO, and is perhaps the strongest of all Subaru fitment wheels...

which azenis are you talking about? if you're talking about the 215/615, yeh they are one of the widdest 225 and you might still get rubbing even with the +52...when loaded or hard cornering, i won't say for sure though cuz i have never ran that setup. The 712's will not rub, but they are also not even in the same ballpark as the azenis 215/615. If you want a cheap summer tire that most prob won't rub.....consider maybe the tires i just got ^

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
Whiteline Sways & Springs (1.25" drop) Stock Struts
2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
Rota Attacks 17x7.5 ET48
3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
Falken Azenis 225/45/17, Kumho MX 235/45/17
4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
Rolled Rear fenders
5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
Not any more ! ;)

2003 wrx wagon
-sedan rear sway bar
-kyb agx struts
-prodrive springs
-225/45/17 kuhmo mx
-17 SSR comps i think the offset is +51
- i am not rubbing

Does anyone know if an '05 WRX wagon will rub with 225/45-17 Yokohama AVS Sport tires on 17x7.5 SSR Comps? This would be on the dealer-installed STi springs, but no other suspension work done.

2003 WRX wagon
Prodrive springs
225/45/17 Yokohama AVS ES100
Prodrive P7 wheels <- don't know the specs
never rubbed even with a decent load in the back.

Does anyone know if an '05 WRX wagon will rub with 225/45-17 Yokohama AVS Sport tires on 17x7.5 SSR Comps? This would be on the dealer-installed STi springs, but no other suspension work done.
you should be fine. i don't rub at all with the same rims and same tire width but with an even lower drop.

2002 WRX Wagon

Eibach Pro Kit Springs, KYB GR-2 Struts
17" Rota Subzero's 225/45/17 BF Goodrich TA/KDW 2 tires

Lots of Rubbing with current alignment, i plan to increase my camber and roll my fenders.

So would the Hankook Ventus RS2 or Falken GR 451's be too wide with a 05 wagon (saab 92x) at stock height? Say with a 53mm offset wheel? Looking at the 17x7.5 53mm offset Rota SDR's. Heard the Hankook RS2's run wide for their size like the Falken Azenis. This would be for a 225/45/17 size.

rotas in 7.5 width are 48ET.

rotas in 7.5 width are 48ET.

Subydude currently has rota SDR's 17x7.5 with 53ET

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=778578

05 wrx wagon, stock springs, 20mm rear swaybar, stock rear camber (around -1.0*), rota dowhshift 17x7.5 ET48, falken grb fk451 225/45.
No rubbing with driver only in the car and hard-cornering (tried all sorts of things, one night...).
No rubbing with 3 people in the car and normal driving (including speed bumps).
Soon I'll come up with a method to see if I don't rub simply because the rear suspension doesn't get compressed enough (= tires don't go even close to the fender lips), or because there is really some clearance.
Btw, I went for the fk451s specifically because (at least on paper) they are among the skinniest 225s.

So would the Hankook Ventus RS2 or Falken GR 451's be too wide with a 05 wagon (saab 92x) at stock height? Say with a 53mm offset wheel? Looking at the 17x7.5 53mm offset Rota SDR's. Heard the Hankook RS2's run wide for their size like the Falken Azenis. This would be for a 225/45/17 size.


I'm running 17" rotas (48et) with hankook rs2 225/45/17. Dropped on prodrive springs....and get ZERO rubbing. They are alittle wider then the kumho712's i was running before.....but not nearly as wide as azenis....grip is very good and wet traction is very good too.

Unless you are using springs that don't drop you past 1 inch, with the correct camber you won't rub. I've tried using a 225/45/17 tyre on a 7 inch rim, and my wagon STILL rubs. But I'm using tein coilovers with height much lower then prodrive, sti or tein H-tech springs. I think the only choice is to either stick to skinnier tyres, or roll your fenders. But I'm not sure what the disadvantages are besides getting the paint job ruined (if your not careful). Anyone have any pics of rolled fenders and any experience in having trouble using cars with rolled fenders?

im running 225/45/17 kumho mx's on a 17x7 rim with a 50mm offset. car has ground control coilovers. center of rear hub to fender lip is approximately 12.75". the heigth will be addressed soon, it is too low but right now it is as high as it will go but nevermind that. -1.2 degrees of camber, rolled fenders (although they actually didnt need to be rolled). no rubbing. even on track and with passengers, no rubbing. within the next few days i will be putting on a set of enkei rpfi 17x8 wheels with a 45mm offset. the tires are 235/40/17 hankook z212 (same as ventus r2s). ill update later on fitment.

> 1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
Stock suspension

> 2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
18 inch Volk GTN and I think its a 43 offset.

>3) Your Tire brand and model
Kumho Ecsta (225/40-18)

>4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
none

>5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
Rubbing only in hard corners with one person, but with more than that its hard to take corners with out it.

> 1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
Stock suspension

> 2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
17" Rota Battle 48 offset

>3) Your Tire brand and model
Falken Ziex 512 225/45/17

>4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
none

>5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
No rubbing with hard corners and one additional passanger
and 65lbs of gear in the hatch.

im running 225/45/17 kumho mx's on a 17x7 rim with a 50mm offset. car has ground control coilovers. center of rear hub to fender lip is approximately 12.75". the heigth will be addressed soon, it is too low but right now it is as high as it will go but nevermind that. -1.2 degrees of camber, rolled fenders (although they actually didnt need to be rolled). no rubbing. even on track and with passengers, no rubbing. within the next few days i will be putting on a set of enkei rpfi 17x8 wheels with a 45mm offset. the tires are 235/40/17 hankook z212 (same as ventus r2s). ill update later on fitment.
update. the rpf1's and hankook 235/40/17's fit without rubbing. you must have rolled fenders to fit them though. between the inside of the tire and the strut there is plenty of room, more than a fingures width.

ditto,

Track: 235/40 RA1's on 17x8 Rotas. Rear fenders rolled.
Street: 225/45 PS2's on 17x7.5 Rotas. Rear fenders still rolled. ;)

-Rota Tarmac 17x7.5, ET48
-225/45/17 Falken FK452
-Prodrive springs
-camber ~-1.5 all around
-0 toe
-rolled fenders (rollyourfender.com)

No rubbing in turns, transitions, or with loads.



Here's my post on fender rolling. (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=790182)

Bump for the wagons!! is anyone using Falken RT-615s at 225? i want to switch to these tires but need to make sure someone else has tried first.

> 1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
Stock for now (prodrives in the Mail) 24mm front and rear swaybars

> 2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
17inch ASA wheels that came with the car, dont know the offset

>3) Your Tire brand and model
Potenza RE0750 225-45-17

>4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
Nope

>5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
Never, and i drive the hell out of it.

Subydude currently has rota SDR's 17x7.5 with 53ET

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=778578


Hey, that's great news! Too bad I'm not a big fan of SDR's. :(

I'm gonna be keeping a close eye on this thread. I just picked up a set of Rota Formels. They are 17x7.5, 48 offset. I have stock suspension but I'm really nervous about trying anything other than the 215's........

Who here have fitted their lowered wagon with 225s wrapped around 17x7 s +55mm offset?

Any issue(s)?

-Dave

I'm gonna be keeping a close eye on this thread. I just picked up a set of Rota Formels. They are 17x7.5, 48 offset. I have stock suspension but I'm really nervous about trying anything other than the 215's........

On stock suspension you should be ok. The 17x7.5 with the 48 offset is pretty normal upgrade. You could rub depending on how hard you drive corners. But normal driving with 225's should be more than fine. It's once you start lowering the car that you run into problems.

So if you plan on lowering your car get the 215's if you want to safe and don't want to roll your fenders.

Also, if you get 225's and you rub a small amount on corners then you can try front and rear swaybars to help reduce body roll and decrease/eliminate rubbing.

1. I have an 04 WRX wagon with STI pink springs (moderate drop, approximately 1" all around).
2. 04 STI BBS rims 17x7.5, 53mm offset
3. Tires are Pirelli PZero-Neros M&S, 225/45/17
4. No fender modifications and no rubbing :banana:

Who here have fitted their lowered wagon with 225s wrapped around 17x7 s +55mm offset?
Any issue(s)?
-Dave
You shouldn't have any issues with that set-up because the rim size is not that wide and the higher offset will bring the wheel further in (most wagon rubbing issues are due to lower offset rims wrapped in wider tires).

On stock suspension you should be ok. The 17x7.5 with the 48 offset is pretty normal upgrade. You could rub depending on how hard you drive corners. But normal driving with 225's should be more than fine. It's once you start lowering the car that you run into problems.

So if you plan on lowering your car get the 215's if you want to safe and don't want to roll your fenders.

Also, if you get 225's and you rub a small amount on corners then you can try front and rear swaybars to help reduce body roll and decrease/eliminate rubbing.
Thanx 4 da tip....

1. I have an 04 WRX wagon with STI pink springs (moderate drop, approximately 1" all around).
2. 04 STI BBS rims 17x7.5, 53mm offset
3. Tires are Pirelli PZero-Neros M&S, 225/45/17
4. No fender modifications and no rubbing :banana:


You shouldn't have any issues with that set-up because the rim size is not that wide and the higher offset will bring the wheel further in (most wagon rubbing issues are due to lower offset rims wrapped in wider tires).

2. 04 STI BBS rims 17x7.5, 53mm offset

Very interesting.
I'm lowered with Eibach Pro-Kit Spring and AGX KYB by 1.1" with -1.6 deg. camber 0 toe all around.
Tried on the STi OEM BBS & tire yesterday, and the sidewalls didn't clear the inner fender lip.
Oh, I have the '03 wagon BTW.

Very interesting.
I'm lowered with Eibach Pro-Kit Spring and AGX KYB by 1.1" with -1.6 deg. camber 0 toe all around.
Tried on the STi OEM BBS & tire yesterday, and the sidewalls didn't clear the inner fender lip.
Oh, I have the '03 wagon BTW.

It depends on the tire brand too, as different brands have different widths even with the same tire size. The neros are 8.9" wide while some like the falken azenis and pole positions are 9" and therefore will have rubbing issues with wagons. BTW, I'm -1.0 front, -1.5 back and 0 toe all around and so far have no rubbing issues even when driven hard. I guess that you being lowered 0.1" than me makes a difference too :).

other than wheel specs.....tire specs plays a big role on whether you have rubbing issues. As mentioned above some models run wider then others. The oem sti tires run on the wide side of other 225's along with the azenis etc...
Other tires like the kumho 712's run on the narrower side.

I'm running hankook rs-2 225 with rota 7.5" 48offset w/o any rubbing issues
F -1.4 R -1.6

they are not as wide as the azenis but wider then 712's

2002 wrx wagon
-sedan rear sway bar
-kyb agx struts
-H&R springs
-225/45/17 BF Goodrich g-Force T/A KDW2
-17" Rota Attacks -- +48 offset
-No rubbing

2002 wrx wagon
-sedan rear sway bar
-kyb agx struts
-H&R springs
-225/45/17 BF Goodrich g-Force T/A KDW2
-17" Rota Attacks -- +48 offset
-No rubbing
I love BFG's how do ya like them?

I have a 2005 92x Aero (wrx wagon). I just picked up a set of 04 Sti BBS' and I plan on getting prodrive springs, do you think I'll rub if I go 235/45 or should I stick with 225's? Also, if I do go with 235/45 I will be getting the BFG KDW's, I wanted the KDW 2's but BFG doesn't make them in a 235/45 only a 235/40, if I want the 45 series in that width I have to go with the older tread design. How is the performance difference between the KDW's and the KDW 2's, anyone driven on both? I have had 2 sets of the KDW's on my mustang and they were great.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Rudi

I have a 2005 92x Aero (wrx wagon). I just picked up a set of 04 Sti BBS' and I plan on getting prodrive springs, do you think I'll rub if I go 235/45 or should I stick with 225's? Also, if I do go with 235/45 I will be getting the BFG KDW's, I wanted the KDW 2's but BFG doesn't make them in a 235/45 only a 235/40, if I want the 45 series in that width I have to go with the older tread design. How is the performance difference between the KDW's and the KDW 2's, anyone driven on both? I have had 2 sets of the KDW's on my mustang and they were great.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Rudi

I've had both the KDW2's and the KD's on my wagon, but not the KDW's. So for me the main difference was a ton more grip with the KD's. I originally got the KDW2's because I wanted a high performance tire that was good for the wet as well as the dry and I had just come off of using S03's. Well the KDW2's didn't perform well at the track for HPDE days. I think I overheated them on the 1st track day and they were pretty much unsafe to drive on after that. But they did perform well in the wet just like the S03's did.

I took the KDW2's back and they replaced them with the KD's (+ a small fee) which were great for track and street, but are a high performance summer tire and not really made for wet. However, I did drive on them for 2hrs during a pretty bad rain storm when I was going to get my car corner-weighted and aligned. I think the AWD pretty much kept me on the road and that was about it...white knuckle driving to say the least.

A friend of mine has had the KDW's on his Sedan for quite some time and he likes them very much.

As far as the sizes go...I'd stick with the 225 or 215/45. I know the offset is different on the STi rims but I still thing you may have to roll the rear fenders if you go with the 235/45's. Even with the 225 you maybe taking a chance so be prepared to roll the fenders. You may only encounter rubbing under hard corners though.

When I got the KDW2’s they were in 215/45’s. So when I had to bump up to the KD’s they didn’t make them in that size and I went with the 225’s and had to roll my rear

rdy4flt- i think if you mount a tire that wide on the sti wheels the inside of the tire is going to be rubbing the strut before you have fender problems. some spacers could solve that problem though.

1) Tanabe DF210 springs (2.0f 1.5r) laugh at me and die.
2) 5Zigen Pro Racer GN+ 17x7.5 +48mm
3) Hankook K104 225/45/17
4) No modifications to prevent rubbing
5) HELL YES IM RUBBING! F*** MAN! S***! it was expected of course. anyone wanna have a fender rolling party in socal? we'll save on that $50 fee to borrow the tool. haha.

before you gimme **** bout my springs, i really dont care so please save the comments, ive heard them all. other than that...who here hates rubbing and can only blame themselves? I DO! hope this helps someone out there.

Lowball & abaxter34 - Thanks for the info. Those KDs are pretty awesome, a friend of mine put them on his mustang. I think I'll stick with the KDW's and a 225 size I will not go as wide as the 235, I don't want to have to deal with rolling the fender. I'll have to look into that wheel spacer idea if I do go wider. I just wonder how the KDW's stack up against the KDW2's.

Thanks for your help.

Rudi

Lowball & abaxter34 - Thanks for the info. Those KDs are pretty awesome, a friend of mine put them on his mustang. I think I'll stick with the KDW's and a 225 size I will not go as wide as the 235, I don't want to have to deal with rolling the fender. I'll have to look into that wheel spacer idea if I do go wider. I just wonder how the KDW's stack up against the KDW2's.

Thanks for your help.

Rudi

Rudi,

If you PM winglesswonder (think he is on nasioc and i-club both) or just PM luke at TireRack and they should be able to help you out with the KDW's.

LB

Thanks Lowball, I will pm Luke and see what he says. I appreciate the help.

Rudi

Rudi,

If you PM winglesswonder (think he is on nasioc and i-club both) or just PM luke at TireRack and they should be able to help you out with the KDW's.

LB

Didn't see this combo on here yet... anyone running 225 Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 tires with Prodrive springs on Prodrive P1 17X7 52 offset? So far it seems this combo would not rub :confused: I'm not sure though.

Didn't see this combo on here yet... anyone running 225 Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 tires with Prodrive springs on Prodrive P1 17X7 52 offset? So far it seems this combo would not rub :confused: I'm not sure though.

I ran this exact combo on my 02 wrx wagon (w/ koni insert struts) and I did rub when i was 4 passenger loaded on mild turns. I was only running -1.0* camber in the rear - a little more might have helped out. It was perplexing with the +52 offset....I'm not sure if my wagon was "off spec" because it shouldn't rub.

-wYlie

I'm running fully stock suspension with 17x7 ET48 5Zigens and 235/45 Kumhos. They rub like hell when anyone is in the back seats. They also rub even when no one is in the car if I corner aggressively. Does this sound like a problem that can be solved just with tire shrinkage? How far do I probably need to go?

anyone know if wagons can use the 16x8 slipstream without rubbing? Subydude says no, but it just doesnt seem right.

no, not without fender rolling and even then, it would be a tight fit. I have rolled fenders on my wagon and put on my friend's 17x8 torques with 24/45-17 MX's just to see what it looked like and it was very tight, it probably would have rubbed. With that said, makofoto is running 8" wide wheels on his wagon and gets no rubbing simply because his spring rates are so damn stiff that his suspension doesn't compress enough to even rub.

I'm running fully stock suspension with 17x7 ET48 5Zigens and 235/45 Kumhos. They rub like hell when anyone is in the back seats. They also rub even when no one is in the car if I corner aggressively. Does this sound like a problem that can be solved just with tire shrinkage? How far do I probably need to go?

if you go with 225's it shouldn't be a problem. i've got 18x8 a +50 offset with 225's and have no prob. i'm also lowered on eibach springs and the sti wagon struts.

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)

Stock

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).

2004 STi BBS 17x7.5, 53mm offset

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).

Pirelli Pzero Nero M+S 225/45ZR17

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?

No

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)

No, not even with hard cornering or with 3 people in the car.

Have I mentioned lately that I love NASIOC? I'd be a clueless idiot without it. I'm still an idiot when it comes to my new Sube, but at least I'm not clueless. Anyone out there have recent info to add to this thread? Any '05 wagons?

Didn't see anyone running Kosei K1 17x7 (48 offset) with 225/45-17 either Pilot Sports or S-03s. I am trying to decide between Prodrive or SPT wagon lowering springs. Any troubles with these? Why no Koseis? Are they bad? :confused: They're light and sleeper.

Awesome thread.

edit: My bad Kosei K1 TS, not Racing, has the proper fitment. Still no data on rubbing, however. mostly considered unattractive it seems.

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available): stock...for now

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset): 17×7.5 5x100 48 (Rota Attack)

3) Your Tire brand and model: BF Goodrich KDW's, 225/45/17

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing? none

5) Are you rubbing? after a week, no rubbing that I'm aware of

Do you guys really think that "The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available): " means stock?

I think the subject says it all, this is for lowered wagons, if you're not lowered, don't post your info as it's been proven that stock height is enough to let 225/45's live with out much of an issue at all. :p

Have a nice day.

Sorry. My mistake.

alright, so i'm getting really really worried about this fitment. But i'll be able to report back tomorrow and say if they fit or not... I have
-MY02 WRX Wagon
-Tien S-tech's
-18x7.5 with a 45 offset (i think that's gonna be my downfall)
-215/40/18

If somebody could report back and tell me that i won't rub i'll feel a helluva lot better. I'm going to be prepared to put the stock springs back on until i get prodrive.

You'll rub.

Well.... I did it... and i don't rub. I took it around some pretty nasty corners too. I didn't roll my fenders either, but i plan too. Im gonna post pics later of how close it is.

swanny, how about some pics

Your wish is my command.
(sorry for the bad pics, i took these with my cell)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/theswann07/Wheels1.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/theswann07/Wheels.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/theswann07/NewWRX1.jpg

Anyone know if the following will rub?

06 WRX
STi/SPT wagon specific springs (Drop: 0.5 to .75")
Rota Torque: 17x7.5 48 offset
225/45/17 RE070's

Thanks,

Brian

rotas(48 offset) usually rub with wide 225 on stock height. your choices are using higher offset wheels or rolling fenders (which imho is better in a long run allowing you to go for 17x8 and wider tires)

you may check this(spt wagon springs + sti bbs + re070s):
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=762685


Anyone know if the following will rub?

06 WRX
STi/SPT wagon specific springs (Drop: 0.5 to .75")
Rota Torque: 17x7.5 48 offset
225/45/17 RE070's

Thanks,

Brian

Why are so many people posting stock suspension setups?

btw, Swanny07, car looks good! Good info.

I didn't think non OE springs were still considered a Stock setup?

Why are so many people posting stock suspension setups?

btw, Swanny07, car looks good! Good info.

Alright, I've been reading this whole thread and I'll ask the rest of you since I can't find a simliar setup at this point.

I'll be running 17x7 BBS RK wheels (+48mm offset) on an 02 WRX wagon and I'm looking at either a set of used 225/45/17 RE070 or a new set of Hankook RS2 Z212 in the same size. As far as my suspension goes, I will be stock for the next two months, and then I'll be switching over to the SPT wagon specific springs and stock struts. The RE070 and the Z212 both have a 8.9 inch width, but I read an earlier post that mentioned a 7 inch wide rim will take about .2 inches off the section width. I really don't plan on running any wider as far as wheels or tires, so if I don't have to roll my fenders I'd rather not. Does anyone have any idea on whether or not this will rub? Thanks!

1) Tein Flex, Set at a Mild drop (VERY VERY mild) 24mm cusco rear swaybar
2) ssr gt7's +50mm 17/7.5
3) Bridgestone RE070
4) none
5) Slight slight in the rear on the inner lip on the top, but doesn't ever compress that much with this setup to rub

- 02 outback sports wagon
- 215/40/18
- 18x7.5 +48mm

which brand of spring tht i should use..so that i wont rub my rear fender??

so after looking thru thread this i assume i will be ok with 17x7.5 rims and 225/45's with my tiens s techs ? or should i be scared of possible rubbage

so after looking thru thread this i assume i will be ok with 17x7.5 rims and 225/45's with my tiens s techs ? or should i be scared of possible rubbage

depends on the offset. seems that < 48mm -ive offset is very likely to rub.

darn, maybe i will have to go 17x7 then

darn, maybe i will have to go 17x7 then

OK, don't give up. It depends on tires too. Some 225s are more "blocky" than others. unless you have like 35 offset wheels or something crazy like that, I'd try it. 7.5 is a good size for 225s.

Based on reading this thread, I'm going to guess this setup will rub. Can anyone confirm?

2003 wrx wagon
-sedan rear sway bar
-KYB AGX struts
-ProDrive springs
-225/45/17 Hankook RS-2s
-17" Rota Actions +48 offset, 7.5" rim

I'm currently running on 215s but I'm due for new tires, and I want to make the leap to 225s.
Thanks.

...Can anyone confirm?

2003 wrx wagon 2002
-sedan rear sway bar ditto
-KYB AGX struts running Koni inserts
-ProDrive springs ditto
-225/45/17 Hankook RS-2s 225/45x17 Falken FK451's - 1mm narrower in section width than your RS2's
-17" Rota Actions +48 offset, 7.5" rim running Attacks - same width and offset

what you need to make it work is a proper alignment - so you need to find a great alignment tech and give him the proper tools to work with - camber plates or another set of camber bolts up front in addition to the OEM camber bolts, and camber plates, camber bolts or adjustable lateral links in the rear. I'm using plates up front, bolts in the rear and I'm running -2F/-1.5R. The rubbing will be on the rear fender, so rear bolts are mandatory, but IMO you want .5 degrees less rear camber than the front for better handling so that's why using an additional method of camber control up front is what I recommend

or get the rear fenders rolled and run whatever you want...

So, I'm getting some 17x7 +48 wheels for my wagon on Prodrive springs.

I don't want to roll my fenders, will I have rubbing issues?

So, I'm getting some 17x7 +48 wheels for my wagon on Prodrive springs.

I don't want to roll my fenders, will I have rubbing issues?

Not unless you put tires on those rims! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :eek:

Yeah, what I meant was should I go 215 or 225.

I've always run 215's, so I just ordered some more.

So, I'm getting some 17x7 +48 wheels for my wagon on Prodrive springs.

I don't want to roll my fenders, will I have rubbing issues?you're going to run 215/45x17, right? no problem.

the beauty of the Prodrive springs is the minimal drop in the rear, right where the wagon has fender rubbing problems. lots of people running 17x7.5 ET48 Rotas with 215/45x17 tires and the Prodrive springs - no problems at all. It's when you go up to 225/45x17 that it gets interesting

Yeah, I decided to go with 215's, as usual.

I can't wait :banana:

05 wagon
Sti struts and 1" drop springs
18" x 7.5 subzeros

05 wagon
Sti struts and 1" drop springs
18" x 7.5 subzeros

235/40/18 yokohamas

had to trim rear wheel well lip, slight camber in rear

no rubbing with 4 passengers, aggressive driving

Based on reading this thread, I'm going to guess this setup will rub. Can anyone confirm?

2003 wrx wagon
-sedan rear sway bar
-KYB AGX struts
-ProDrive springs
-225/45/17 Hankook RS-2s
-17" Rota Actions +48 offset, 7.5" rim

I'm currently running on 215s but I'm due for new tires, and I want to make the leap to 225s.
Thanks.


hmm you must have missed my posts on page 6 and 7 :)

i had posted that I'm running 2254/45/17 Rs-2's w/o any rubbing loaded, at the track, auto-x etc..

I'm running prodrive springs as well, with noltec camber plates up front

you're going to run 215/45x17, right? no problem.

the beauty of the Prodrive springs is the minimal drop in the rear, right where the wagon has fender rubbing problems. lots of people running 17x7.5 ET48 Rotas with 215/45x17 tires and the Prodrive springs - no problems at all. It's when you go up to 225/45x17 that it gets interesting

^^^^^^^^^ What he said. NO issues! :banana:

05 wagon
Sti struts and 1" drop springs
18" x 7.5 subzeros

Maybe our paths will cross someday! I am in Medford and plan on running the same rims and drop as you just soon as Mt. Ashland closes (my wagon is the 'snowboard kid shuttle' right now).

Sent PM about the 18's. :)

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)s

F: JDM pinks on 02 wagon takeoffs + koni insert + RCE plate. 1.5" drop
R: Same except GrN mounts. ~1.5" drop

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
SSR comp 17x7.5 50mm offset

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
225/45-17 S-03

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
Planning to roll rear fenders

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
Did not rub until i reset post-lowering camber from -2 to -1. Now I am rubbing. Will report back after fenders are rolled.

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
Stock Springs and struts

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
Rota Torques 17x8 48mm offset

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
Falken Azenas ST115 235/40ZR-17

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
Nope

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
Nope

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
STi wagon spec's

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
UK Stock 17's (17x7)

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
Toyo Proxes 4 224/45/17

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
None

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
No

1) The lowered suspension set-up you chose (actual drop if available)
Swift wagon spec

2) The wheels you chose (size & offset).
Rota Action 17X7.5 48mm

3) Your Tire brand and model (confirm that they are 225/45-17).
Michelin Pilot Sport 225/45-17

4) Any modifications made to prevent rubbing?
None

5) Are you rubbing??? (yes or no)
No

I too am having difficulty deciding on a size. I cant decide between 17 or 18's. Tirerack helps you choose the correct tire that matches the diameter of your stock wheels. Therefore, If I go 17, they recommend 45's and with 18 they recommend 40's. My car will have the tokico performance spring and strut kit which will drop the front and back 1.25" each. I am worried about rough roads. Will 18's be ok, or should I be safe and go with 17's??? I really like the look of the 18's but worry about railroad track damage, potholes etc with just a 40 size tire. Anyone got 2¢ to throw in?

Scooby