I just got home from the first showing of this movie in Colorado Springs. Damn. That's all I can say. I already wanna see it again. Wow. I can't believe how friggen cool this movie is. Even better than the first one.


Phoenix will rise soon :) Can't wait for part 3

Originally posted by Drac9
I just got home from the first showing of this movie in Colorado Springs. Damn. That's all I can say. I already wanna see it again. Wow. I can't believe how friggen cool this movie is. Even better than the first one.


Phoenix will rise soon :) Can't wait for part 3

Really!? Phoenix! COOL! How well did they do Nighcrawler and Collosus?

Can't wait!!!!

I am so psyced to see this movie. I just watched the first one again last night to prepare :D .

I am going to wait to Saterday morning to go, hopefully it won't be too crowded.

Originally posted by Retsyn


Really!? Phoenix! COOL! How well did they do Nighcrawler and Collosus?

They did a good job with Nightcrawler, but Colossus only had a small part in the movie.

yep, I'm dragging the girlfriend to go see that one. I have the 1st one on DVD, great movie.

Yeah, I don't care if my wife wants to see it or not, I am going! I didn't even know Colossus had a small part even. With this movie and the Hulk coming out, I am reliving the dreams of the 12 year old boy inside of me. I was/am such a geek. :p

Was there much RX8 footage? Any car chases with it, or highspeed stuff?

Originally posted by Lightsped
Was there much RX8 footage? Any car chases with it, or highspeed stuff?

Nothing crazy. Not even a car chase.

Not to sound like a dork, but how would it be for kids (ages 12 and 9)? Mine really want to see it, as do I. They've seen the first one on DVD, but I heard this one is more intense.

Saw the movie last night at the preview... .kills the first one... It is a bit violent for younger kids.... Wolverine impales people and stuff... Nightcrawler definately a highlight along with Mystique with rebecca romjin in her nude goodness.....

how would it be for kids (ages 12 and 9)?

Haven't seen it yet (tonight!) so I'm just going off what I've been told....
I hear it really pushes the limits of the PG-13 rating (gore, violence, etc).

The movie definitely did rock. The action scenes were cool as hell but the real good work was done by all the actors involved. Ian McKellen is nothing short of awesome, there's a great dynamic between Mystique and Magneto. There's great tension between Wolverine and Jean Grey, good stuff. Plus there's the whole telling Bobby Drake's parents about him being a mutant and them kind of treating it like he was telling them he was gay or something. Well acted, framed, great details (look for names on the computer screen i.e. Remy LeBeau, plus Hank McCoy on TV) and a BADASS fight between Wolverine and Lady Deathstryke. Oh, Wolverine gets medieval on some soldiers, you see the Wolverine that you think you should see.

Overall the best comic book movie to date, easily.

Does Magneto control non-magnetic alloys in this one too?

(Statue of liberty is copper...not magnetic)

:rolleyes:

Magneto has an awesome scene in this movie. (He's gotta get outta prison somehow)

Great flic, I dunno about a 9 year old, some of the scenes were pretty brutal (Wolverine does indeed get medival.)

it's simple enough to keep non-comic readers interested, but it throws a TON of bones to the comic geeks out there who are salivating to rip it apart.

i was impressed, it makes the first movie look like dogcrap.

i'm calling for sentinels in X3. it's the next logical progression.

Originally posted by AC Lerok

i'm calling for sentinels in X3. it's the next logical progression.
Sentinels would be bada$$.

Originally posted by smash0r
I dunno about a 9 year old, some of the scenes were pretty brutal

That's kind of what I thought. Thanks everyone for the input.

Thanks for the buildup! How the hell am I going to work the rest of this afternoon. My wife and kids already think I'm a freak -- I flipped out when I saw Nightcrawler in the trailer.

I may have to run out and pre-buy some Friday Night tickets.

AAAHHHHH now I really can't wait! Wolverine and Nightcrawler are my 2 favorite characters! I always thought Huge Jackman was perfect for the role of Wolverine, he looks almost exactly like the comic close ups when he was on the Statue of Liberty with Rogue. But he didn't get too much violent action in the first one, not like we are used to from the comic. I am psyced to see him get medieval!!!!

I thought the first X-Men was very tastefully done for a movie based on a comic book. I can't imagine the next one being better so I will just have to see for myself. This is killing me now.

Originally posted by AC Lerok
i'm calling for sentinels in X3. it's the next logical progression.

What about Dark Phoenix

I just came back from it. I will say it was definitely better than the first. I am kinda curious if Nightcrawler is as weird in the comics as he is in the flick. He seems to pray quite a bit and is tatooed (branded?) with symbols given to humanity by the angel Gabriel!! Very far out there.

It is violent but there isn't much blood. I don't how Wolverine can stab people and not get blood on him, but he manages it in this flick.

I doubt it would happen but a Wolverine spinoff would be cool.

Everything I've read about it talks about how all of the character development for the not-already-fans had to be done in the first so this one, and any after it, can just kick ass. I wanna see it on a good theater, so I might go when I'm in Albuquerque next week. NOthing like taking myself to a movie on a Tuesday night!

Originally posted by Concillian
Does Magneto control non-magnetic alloys in this one too?

(Statue of liberty is copper...not magnetic)

:rolleyes:

Are you that guy that complains about how in episode #5 in season one the USS Enterprise could hit mach 10.2 but in episode #86 in season five it broke down at mach 9.7 :p

Maybe the Statue of Liberty's frame contains some iron, nickel, or cobalt; the only three naturally magnetic elements. Then again anything becomes magnetic if you have a large enough field. Look at that super magnet that can levitate pieces of plastic, frogs, and spiders. :nerd:

We need a :nerd: smiley that has black frame glasses held together with masking tape.

Don't any of you guys werk? I wish I could take off & go see it the first afternoon it comes out.

[signs off to go & read X-Men #137]

I just saw it. I really liked it but it could have been so much better if it was rated R. PG-13 took a little to much away from Wolverine getting medival, leaving it unconvincing. The camera shots hid to much, all flash without really showing you enough. But the tension the sceene created was fantastic, and with a little imagination it was extreemly entertaining.

Pyro turned out to be one of the best characters, one of the few with some real balls.

And Magneto was awsome. It is an awsome movie when you see things get so bad that enemies become allies, you get to root for Magneto, and love it.

I'm going to see it at 11:15pm...YAY! :cool:

where is Gambit? :confused:


FF

he's in text form.:)

It is violent but there isn't much blood. I don't how Wolverine can stab people and not get blood on him, but he manages it in this flick

To a degree this is true. Human blood is under pressure while still in the body. The pressure decreases, however, the further you get from the heart (total distance not direct radius). in his slashing, Logan can cause severe lacerations and stab wounds but remain relatively "blood free" so to speak. I do agree that his claws would more than likely become bloodied (the scene in the kitchen with the cat, I believe the cat was licking blood off the tip of the claw). As for other wounds, slashing someones throat will produce a spray of blood that can ,depending on the persons BP at the time, resemble a nick in a garden hose. I believe he caught a few of the soldiers like this.

I do agree that the R rating would have allowed more carnage. However, remember that the movies seldom recreate reality in the realm of actual wounds. One of the few movies to get GSW's correct, and other traumatic wounds, was Saving Private Ryan. (the scene where their Medic dies is about as real as you can get without taking a bullet yourself)

Christian
NREMT-Paramedic

Yup, i watch Saving Private Ryan once in a while to keep me fresh... :lol: Oh and yeah, x2 was pretty damn kewl!

-chrisC

NYC EMT

beast also showed up as a cameo too

as hank mccoy they were doing a interview with him on TV

When Hank McCoy came up the geeks went nuts "Yeah! Baby!!!!" I was like :confused:

just saw it, very nice movie indeed

Colossus got assed out. And the Gambit reference was somewhat lame... sjt= non Gambit fan.

X2 = Mother freaking BOWDOWN!

god damn that was a good movie! everyone was cheering in the theatre i went to, and we're talking a 600ppl capacity theatre!!!!! :eek:

pyro kicked ass!

mystique kicked ALOT more ass then i expected too!

wolverine.....ship, the amount of ass he kicked in this movie was enough for TWO movies! :eek: :D :lol:

BADDASS MOVIE!

sst

But...but.....(spoiler)









when Wolverine got capped in the head....his adamtium skull should have stopped it! But it went through.

:confused:

Still a bad ass movie.:cool:

I haven't read a bad review on this board about X2 yet! Very surprised.

Originally posted by Scoobie Newbie
I haven't read a bad review on this board about X2 yet! Very surprised. I just got back from seeing it, so I'll have my list of complaints for you a little later.

Originally posted by p3Ch4
I just came back from it. I will say it was definitely better than the first. I am kinda curious if Nightcrawler is as weird in the comics as he is in the flick. He seems to pray quite a bit and is tatooed (branded?) with symbols given to humanity by the angel Gabriel!! Very far out there.

caveat: I haven't read comics in at least ten years.

but no, for the dozen or years I did follow the various xmen comics Nightcrawler has not done ritual scarification to himself. (those aren't tattoos, they are scars.) he is somewhat religous and could probably even repeat Psalm 23 correctly. (why misquote / shorten a passage TONS of people know by heart if you're going to bother to use it?)

Originally posted by Snoopy
But...but.....(spoiler)









when Wolverine got capped in the head....his adamtium skull should have stopped it! But it went through.

:confused:

Still a bad ass movie.:cool:

What the hell are you talking about? The slug penetrated his skin but just crushed against his adamantium skull, you see the flatend slug fall to the ground when his skin heals.

There was a hole in his forehead indicating that the bullet penetrated. The bullet got pushed and it was not flat.

Get some glasses. :cool:

Wow... outstanding movie.


Just one question...


When they are in the base Cerebro 2 is in (forgot the name already!)... Alkali right? Anyhow, I forgot what scene it was, but the camera zoomed in and focused on an army soldier...

Who was he? That couldn't have been unintentional.

Was that Cable?

Originally posted by Snoopy
There was a hole in his forehead indicating that the bullet penetrated. The bullet got pushed and it was not flat.

Get some glasses. :cool:


uhhh...that wasnt a hole, it was the slug stuck in his forehead. the bullet never pierced the skull, it got stopped.

I just got back from X2... my opinion is virtually identical to everyone else's so far.

I want to see JUGGERNAUT! And PSYLOCKE! And ARCHANGEL (because you've got to at least have a little on all of the five original members)!

Hah, my theater had the biggest nerds of them all.

All they cheered for/cared about was the bad-ass Matrix2 trailer right before X-2 started; I cheered too. After that, everyone pretty much shut up. :)

Anyways, I think part 3 should include as follows:

1) Jean Grey as the Phoenix

2) Beast

3) More excellent Wolverine

4) Colossus

5) Bobby should be full-on Iceman.

Originally posted by WRX Power
Wow... outstanding movie.


Just one question...


When they are in the base Cerebro 2 is in (forgot the name already!)... Alkali right? Anyhow, I forgot what scene it was, but the camera zoomed in and focused on an army soldier...

Who was he? That couldn't have been unintentional.

Was that Cable?


yes wondering the same

I saw it again last night. Wwweeeeeee... :lol:

Originally posted by nqwan



uhhh...that wasnt a hole, it was the slug stuck in his forehead. the bullet never pierced the skull, it got stopped.

That's some think skin...considering the back of the slug was flush with his forehead. :p

Nitpicking. :D

Also, when Wolverine was fighting Oyama (Kelly Hu), when his three blade sliced through that pipe...it should have fallen into two pieces....not one. :devil:

Omega Red had his own folder on that computer.

It would be sweet to see Omega Red too.

I suppose this has the potential of having as many sequals as Bond.

that part when mystique came into wolverines tent, she wanted to bang him right??Wolverine said "what do you want from me?" and she said" you know what I want"..and i guess she was refering to his d|ck. I mean why the hell would he turn that down, especially when she was morphing into mad bitches??

Originally posted by Snoopy


That's some think skin...considering the back of the slug was flush with his forehead. :p


I thought the bullet just compressed into a little slug after impacting with the adamantium skull???

I saw the movie last night, it was amazing! Logan was awesome. There's just one thing I didn't like, we didn't get to see Colossus very much, but for the time he was onscreen, he was kickass!

Originally posted by AustinSTi
that part when mystique came into wolverines tent, she wanted to bang him right??Wolverine said "what do you want from me?" and she said" you know what I want"..and i guess she was refering to his d|ck. I mean why the hell would he turn that down, especially when she was morphing into mad bitches??

:lol:

Originally posted by sjt


I thought the bullet just compressed into a little slug after impacting with the adamantium skull???

I just saw the movie again. The slug fell out and rolled. I was right. :D

saw the movie.......... dissapointed........... because they dont drive the RX8 HARD!!!! Its only a short video on the RX8 :(

But the whole movie was very cool, nice special effects and camera angle. Can't wait for Jane turning into phoenix.
I forgot collosus, was it the big kid that turned into a metal muscular dude that defelcts all the bullets? and where was the gambit part? maybe I missed out when I ran to the restroom

Yes on the Collosus part.

Originally posted by S-WRX
saw the movie.......... dissapointed........... because they dont drive the RX8 HARD!!!! Its only a short video on the RX8 :(

But the whole movie was very cool, nice special effects and camera angle. Can't wait for Jane turning into phoenix.
I forgot collosus, was it the big kid that turned into a metal muscular dude that defelcts all the bullets? and where was the gambit part? maybe I missed out when I ran to the restroom

Gambit was on a list of names only. Beast was on the TV (being interviewed) in that bar scene.

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The movie was awesome, I really enjoyed it. It says very true to the comic book feel. Lady Deathstrike was very nicely done. The exploration into Weapon X was a nice tie-in and the not-so-subtle Pheonix reference was very intriguing. The tattoos on Nightcrawler make me wonder if Apocolypse or Archangel might make an appearance in the next movie. Sentinels in the next one would also be awesome.
http://www.geocities.com/x_villains/sentinels/uxmen142.jpg

Those were scars, not tats. :)

Originally posted by BlackBeastie
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The movie was awesome, I really enjoyed it. It says very true to the comic book feel. Lady Deathstrike was very nicely done. The exploration into Weapon X was a nice tie-in and the not-so-subtle Pheonix reference was very intriguing. The tattoos on Nightcrawler make me wonder if Apocolypse or Archangel might make an appearance in the next movie. Sentinels in the next one would also be awesome.
http://www.geocities.com/x_villains/sentinels/uxmen142.jpg

Am I the only one who noticed Jubilee's cameo? The asian mutant who was one of the kidnapped children?

Originally posted by Kinsbane
Those were scars, not tats. :)



I got the drift they were branding. self-inflicted, but still. much cleaner than scars.

-IggDawg

lately I've been in a funk where I see a movie and analyze the filmaking aspect of it...but with X-2 I was 10 again... getting riled up when wolverine was losing his mind and tearing fools a new one! Loved the rage...although as always with me I felt they could have taken it a bit farther! :devil: :devil:

Nightcrawler=the BMF opening of all time

Colossus= had me cheering...

it was an awesome movie for sure.

I pitty the people who will invariably succumb to the hype soon and feel let down by expectations. But I think X-fans will love it no matter what!

Originally posted by jhayzhon
Am I the only one who noticed Jubilee's cameo? The asian mutant who was one of the kidnapped children?

she was in the 1st one also, when storm is teaching class. Next to rogue in the comic book yellow/green outfit. She had a speaking roll in the 1st one, but was cut and can be found on the DVD deleted material.

I saw it again and I really enjoyed it the 2nd time.

I think my favorite part was when Magneto freed himself from the prison. That scene where he ripped the iron out of the gaurds blood was pretty damn violent and graphic, damn near R rated. I guess I enjoyed that part because of the way they previosly abused Magneto in the prison, so that scene it was set up well. It was like now what bish! :D

"Never trust a beautiful woman, especially one that is interested in you." :lol:

Originally posted by Rev
that scene it was set up well. It was like now what bish! :D

"Never trust a beautiful woman, especially one that is interested in you." :lol:

Great quote, and oh so true.

Originally posted by docwhorocks


Great quote, and oh so true.

Everything that Ian McKellen said was gold.

"You are a god among insects"

good stuff.

This thread should be called x2 spoilers.. geeze guys i just wanted a review of the movie not details of what happens. Ya bastids :D

Anyone else notice all the names that popped up on the comp. monitor when Mystique was tooling around with it???

1. Everyone has seen Gambit by now or Remy Lebeau... lame
2. Jamie Maddrox the Multiple MAN!!!! If they did him that would be JUST FUNNY. Hey... I'm EVERYWHERE!!!
3. Franklin Richards' name popped up when the schematics for the base showed as well. Frank Richards is the son of Reed Richards and Sue Storm but I have no idea what kinda powers homeboy has... anyone elaborate???

Post up the other names that were dropped!!!

David Hayter, voice of Solid Snake from Metal Gear Sold and MGS2, he was one of the screen writers for this movie. I thought all he did was just voice overs. I know he was in X1 but as one of the security guards that Mystique killed off on Liberty Island.

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So what is the deal with pheonix in the comic book? I used to read as a kid but is pheonix actually Jean Grey or another being using her body or something. I'm starting to confuse myself. Also what exactly are pheonix's powers? So confused........

X2 United was freaking awesome. i am a film student and i have been trained to analyzed every shot composition in every film, but this one i was just swept off my feet and was totally emerged in the story.

i really like how as the years between the films progress, the children get older, and subsuquently become major players in the story. i think that that is a really great way for the filmmakers to link each film with the next. as technology progresses, i forsee each sequel to the X-men series being better than the previous.

best line in the entire film, "Bub!"

Originally posted by Concillian
Does Magneto control non-magnetic alloys in this one too?

(Statue of liberty is copper...not magnetic)

:rolleyes:
The SKIN of the statue of liberty is copper; the skeleton is steel. However it IS strange that he can control Wolverine's skeleton as adamantium is supposedly non-ferrous. You can't blame the movie guys for that one though, because the comic had the same inconsistency.

Did Magneto strip Wolverine of his adamantium skeleton and claws in the comic?

Never read the comics or watched the cartoons, at the time I was like "ehhh", just another group of super heroes.

Saw the 1st movie, no memorable impressions, don't even remember much, except Capt. Picard hand a riced out wheel chair.

Does he whoop ass from the wheel chair in X2 (like Yoda?), cuz if he does, I'm so gonna rent this movie in about 5 weeks. :lol:

Originally posted by WHTWRX
Never read the comics or watched the cartoons, at the time I was like "ehhh", just another group of super heroes.

Saw the 1st movie, no memorable impressions, don't even remember much, except Capt. Picard hand a riced out wheel chair.

Does he whoop ass from the wheel chair in X2 (like Yoda?), cuz if he does, I'm so gonna rent this movie in about 5 weeks. :lol:

Better be careful what ya say about the movie or you'll have a bunch of comic book guys umm.... threaten you and make fun of you over teh intraweb! :p


The movie does kick butt. I know several people that never read the comics or watched the cartoon and they still liked the movie.

X2 was defintely better than the 1st one. Really cool since usualy sequels can suck ass in comparison to the 1st movie.

My only 2 gripes are 1) Wolverine is not nearly as badass as he should be. In these movies he seems to be a crappy fighter, and if you ever follow the comics you know this is not so. I mean getting his ass kicked by mystique in the 1st movie was a lil much... He is much better in this movie (x2) tho.

And 2) When did mystique become so badass?? I dont remember her being so, um ""effective" as she is in these movies. I mean if shes this good, does magneto really need anyone else?

Ah well, like I said, 2 minor gripes, and the movie was defintely worth the $. Id like to see sabertooth come back (and maybe be a little bit more crazy) if they make a 3rd one.

-Jason

When comic sales got slow years ago they had a big show down. Magneto did pull the adamentium from Wolverine, which almost killing him and burning out his healing ability. They also answered the question of the claws. He was born with them.

Originally posted by Odin
He was born with them.

Say what?!?!

Originally posted by Crzykdd
My only 2 gripes are 1) Wolverine is not nearly as badass as he should be. In these movies he seems to be a crappy fighter, and if you ever follow the comics you know this is not so. I mean getting his ass kicked by mystique in the 1st movie was a lil much... He is much better in this movie (x2) tho.

I agree. He does come off like a crapy fighter. In the comics he was faster, more agile, stronger, and he could attack with presicion. He studied swordsmanship, and could be gracefull when he was not raging. When it came to his claws he knew how to use them with efficiency. In the first movie he comes off as a guy with claws who swings them and hopes to hit something.

He was better in the second one though.

Originally posted by Odin
When comic sales got slow years ago they had a big show down. Magneto did pull the adamentium from Wolverine, which almost killing him and burning out his healing ability. They also answered the question of the claws. He was born with them.

I remember that story arc, the adamantium actually inhibits his healing ability as well as controlling the rage. I remember one where he was attacking something with his bone claws and they would break off and regrow between hits.

reading this thread makes me want to go out and see this movie again!

I stopped reading comics about 6 or 7 years ago, but this movie brought back the comic book geek in me and my friends! Everyone cheered when wolverine first took out his claws to attack the soliders!

Mystique was really cool too. The whole slide/flipping the guys off got a good reaction from the crowd as well.

The opening scene was sooo bad ass, they did a very good job with nightcrawler's teleporting.

I agree with what someone else said: If you never read comics, you'll like the movie. But if you were into x-men/marvel at all, you'll really get into it and enjoy the film!

Originally posted by sjt
3. Franklin Richards' name popped up when the schematics for the base showed as well. Frank Richards is the son of Reed Richards and Sue Storm but I have no idea what kinda powers homeboy has... anyone elaborate???


Franklin Richards is a mutant with potential FAR beyond that of other mutants. At first, his powers manifested by Franklin being able to project his astral form and have precognitive dreams. When his adult self appeared from an alternate future, he possessed immeasurable psionic powers and could manipulate and alter reality with no limit. When he was turned into a teenager, he had unchecked telepathic and telekenetic powers, battle-trained reflexes, and owned a suit of sophisticated body armor with weapons systems. In other words, he was an extreme bad ass.

Originally posted by Odin

So what is the deal with pheonix in the comic book? I used to read as a kid but is pheonix actually Jean Grey or another being using her body or something. I'm starting to confuse myself. Also what exactly are pheonix's powers? So confused........

I knew the gist, but here are the particulars. The Phoenix Entity is an ancient, ageless cosmic force of life. It came to Earth in X-Men 100, when Jean was prepared to sacrifice her life to save her team mates and friends. They were on a space shuttle spiralling helplessly back into the Earth's atmosphere. The only person on board who could pilot the shuttle was a human astronaut, who couldn't possibly survive the heat and radiation of re-entry long enough to guide the craft to a successful landing. Only Jean, who could get the knowledge from the pilot's mind telepathically, and protect herself from the heat and radiation with her telekinesis stood a chance. It was enough to get the ship and the occupants back safely, but Jean's powers weren't enough to save herself. At the moment before her death, the Phoenix Enitity entered her body, made an exact replica of it, and placed the original Jean in a protective cocoon at the bottom of the ocean. The Phoenix copied Jean so well, that it didn't even realize what it had done, and truly believed itself to be Jean, taking her place in the X-Men. Her powers included kicking ass to the highest magnitude. Telepathy, telekinesis, and energy projection of the highest level possible.

Also, another little known fact about Wolverine. Because he doesn't remember a lot of his past, he is not sure how old he is. Due to his regenerative powers it has been suggested that he may be over 100 years old.


p.s. even thought i am a comic geek, i had to cut-paste this stuff. i am not that bad that i would know all that off the top of my head. most of it maybe... :)

one word:

"Bamf!"

Originally posted by Tricky
one word:

"Bamf!"

you mean "Sniiktt"

:devil: Here's a claw to your foot...then your belly!

BAMF!

someone else who understands :)
they got the sound perfect in the movie, I think...

Whole thing was very well done, and all the little extra touches were nice......

not a comic book guy, althogh i did watch the old cartoon

from what i'm told it followed the comic very well while it was around

but i just saw x2 and it was outstanding,

def agree on phoenix coming in the next movie,
didn't phoenix take place around the same time as the sentinels?
it'd be awesome to have them all, but i don't see the sentinels taking place at all in the current movie line

Originally posted by nomadtw

didn't phoenix take place around the same time as the sentinels?
it'd be awesome to have them all, but i don't see the sentinels taking place at all in the current movie line

it's been a LONG time, but i'm pretty sure the phoenix's creation had more to do with the whole x-men in space/starjammers (ch'od 4 life)/shi'ar empire storyline . . . but her ultimate wig-out was during a sentinel-heavy period.

i don't think that the movie will explain the phoenix thing in terms of the life-force entity . . . too much for movie fans to swallow. i think they'll explain it away as another evolution in jean grey's mutant ability to keep the non-comic readers' heads from exploding.

lots of drama has surrounded jean grey, she's been cloned, impersonated, been in love with 2 guys, had her powers change in magnitude and ability five zillion times . . .

James Howlett, the mutant now known as Wolverine, was born into privilege in Alberta, Canada, during the late 19th century, the second son of John and Elizabeth Howlett. Young James' mother was distant and remote due to the untimely death of her first son. Growing up, the sickly James was close friends with the red-headed Rose, his companion and tutor, and "Dog," the son of the Howlett’s cruel groundskeeper Thomas Logan.

Dog’s growing obsession with Rose finally prompted him to attack her -- forcing James’ father to fire Thomas, and evict him and Dog from their home on the Howlett estate. The groundskeeper and his son stole into the mansion the next night and attempted to convince Mrs. Howlett to leave with them. Apparently, Thomas and Elizabeth Howlett had been engaged in an ongoing affair. When John Howlett interrupted their discussion, Thomas shot and killed his former employer. At the shock of seeing his father murdered, James manifested his latent mutant abilities, and bone claws jutted from the back of each hand. The beast within the boy unleashed at last, James attacked and killed Thomas, and slashed Dog’s face. Completely unhinged by the violence, Elizabeth took her own life.

James suffered a severe breakdown; his mutant abilities "healed" his mind as well as his body, blocking all memories of his last months at the Howlett estate. Because Rose and James were blamed for the deaths at the mansion, she spirited him away to a British Columbia mining colony. Rose gave James the name "Logan," so that his real identity would remain unknown.

The frail "Logan" grew into a strapping young man at the mine and became known for his strength and ferocity. He spent a great deal of time among the wolves in the nearby wilderness, discovering he had more in common with the wild beasts than his fellow man. Bullied incessantly, Logan acquired the nickname "Wolverine" thanks to his tenacity and refusal to back down from a challenge.

Logan’s happiness at the camp came to an end when Dog tracked him down. Finally remembering the night of his father’s death, Logan fought Dog savagely. During the struggle, Logan accidentally impaled Rose on his claws, killing her. Wracked by grief over the death of the woman he truly loved, he fled into the woods. Logan was not seen again for many years, but the legend of the man called Wolverine had begun.

The rest of Logan’s life is shrouded in mystery, peppered with half-truths and anecdotal reports of unconfirmed sightings. His healing factor seems to act against the effects of aging -- which would explain why, as a man of more than 120 years, he appears to be in his mid-30s.

In the latter half of the 20th century, the Canadian government subjected Logan to a bizarre battery of experiments intended to forge the ultimate killing machine. Weapon X scientists grafted the indestructible metal adamantium to Logan's skeleton and bone claws, and introduced memory implants that shaped his past to suit their ends. Combined with the earlier effects of his healing factor, these false memories have made it impossible for Logan to discern fact from fiction when recalling his former life. He now knows little of his past, save that it was fraught with pain and loss.

Wolverine was working as an operative for the Canadian government when he accepted Professor X’s offer to join the X-Men. Logan chose to stay on partly due to his belief in Xavier’s vision for the co-existence of humans and mutants, and partly because of his attraction to Jean Grey. During his time with the X-Men, Logan has worked to regain his lost memories, but virtually every answer leads him to even more new questions.

Although he would rarely admit it, Logan remains with the X-Men because he feels the team is the closest thing he has to a family in the world. Serving with the X-Men has given Logan what he had been missing for so long: a cause worth fighting for. Still somewhat uncontrollable and unpredictable in battle, and prone to an occasional berserker rage, Wolverine has proven to be a tremendous asset to the team; he continues to make his home in Xavier’s mansion. Beneath his brutish exterior, Wolverine will always be the scared, insecure boy who lashed out at the world all those years ago, doomed never to make peace with his troubled past. Haunted by half-forgotten demons, he fights for those who can't fight for themselves -- kindred spirits, victims all.

Taken from the Marvel.com bios page.

;)

And how does Sabertooth factor into all that.

That's a good question..I distinctly remember the issue in which Sabertooth told Wolvie he was his 'dear old daddy'.
Unless Sabe was given flase info, and it was cleared up in a later issue. I also distinctly remember Logan having bone claws in an issue of Weapon X.

Gotta fly!
Skippy

Sabertooth has a similar profile on the Marvel website. He has similar regenerative powers and adamantium skeleton/nails. He was ex-CIA and he's just a brutal soldier who was also picked for the Weapon X project. He and Logan were partners until Sabertooth killed a fellow soldier out of convenience on a mission. There's no relation between the two.

If that's true though, why did he say that he was his dad in that issue. Or like I said, was that misinformation?

Gotta fly!
Skippy

Could have been Sabertooth messin with Wolvie, I recall that storyline too...

Originally posted by StriderTB
Sabertooth has a similar profile on the Marvel website. He has similar regenerative powers and adamantium skeleton/nails. He was ex-CIA and he's just a brutal soldier who was also picked for the Weapon X project. He and Logan were partners until Sabertooth killed a fellow soldier out of convenience on a mission. There's no relation between the two.

Sabertooth had an adimantium skeleton? It says that in his Bio but I could have sworn he didn't. Maybe it was a later developement like Wolvies bone claws?

Also Sabertooth is much stronger then Wolverine, at least they kept that in the movie. For some reason the Bios rate their strength the same. A lousy effort on Marvel's part I think.

Originally posted by twitch
Don't any of you guys werk? I wish I could take off & go see it the first afternoon it comes out.

[signs off to go & read X-Men #137]

Is that the first appearance of Rogue?

Nah, that was like #80 or something. Anyone know?

Rogue first showed up in Avenger's Annual #10 in 1981. I don't know her first X-Men appearance...

Perhaps the next movie will have her gaining MS. Marvels powers.

Edit: I haven't seen X2 so I'm assuming she doesn't have them yet.

Originally posted by Porsche914boxer4


Is that the first appearance of Rogue?

Nah, that was like #80 or something. Anyone know?

her first appearance AS an x-man is like 181 or something. 184? i dunno, i have it at home. she used to wear a green velour jogging suit and had a betty crocker haircut . . . then all the sudden she got hot.

One word:

Inferno

Originally posted by Porsche914boxer4
One word:

Inferno

or how about evolutionary war, acts of vengenace, or maybe even infinity crusade?

One word: "Colossus" and more of him.

My predictions:

Phoenix (maybe dark version, yeah right)

Brotherhood of Evil Mutants

Sentinals

Juggernaut


Pyro was cool, I'm sure him and Iceman will fight it out

Hope to see Sabertooth again.

Wasn't that chick with the claws suppossed to be Lady Death Strike who was a cyborg and previous love interest of Wolverine's?

I doubt that was Cable who was a time travler and had a cyborg arm if I'm not mistaken.

yeah, that was what I got from it: Stryker refers to her as Yuriko, and that's a pretty obvious reference to Lady Deathstryke, after she was put into a chinese assassin's body? Or something along those lines?

as for the 3rd movie...

it has to include Apocolypse and Archangel. I HAVE to see these two charachters on the Big Screen!
Maybe something along the lines of Executioners Song,

hey how about this...i dont think anyones thought of this...Nightcrawler is Mystique's son (both blue)...you think they are gonna show that...i think there is only one time in X2 where they show it. It is the scene @ night in the forest where they first meet...i think the convo went something like --

Nightcrawler: They say you can imitate any one...even their voice...
Mystique: even their voice...
N: So then why dont you just disguise your self all the time?
M: because we souldnt have to

also i heard that there would be a total of 5 X-Men films...you know already know whats gonna be in the next one by what is shown in this one...that how we figured out what was gonna be in this one (ice man, wolverine leaving and saying hed be back, ect.)...by seeing what was in the first...soooo...the obvious things would be: phoenix, colossus, beast, story of pyro joining magneto, gambit (maybe)...

i guess we'll have to wait...

-gilbert

How come I can't figure out who Pyro is? I am not totally into this stuff, but I was about 15 years ago. I'm looking at my marvel card collection from 1990, and there is no mention of Pyro - there is "The Human Torch" - but this ain't the same dude.

I can't find him in the villians or "heroes" section. Who is he??! There is also no mention of him on Marvel.com

Anyway, I also wonder if Shadowcat will join them in any future movies. I thought she was cool, and her little pet dragon "Lockheed" was friggin awesome.

OK - done being 11 years old now.

my thoughts on what will show up next:
-Icemand and Wolverine will fued with something over rouge just b/ all the scenes where iceman looks pissed b/ of the attention wolverince got
-Pyro will be in the next one helping magneto and ice and rouge wil be pissed
-Jubalee (sp?) may finally make an apperance
-Omega Red and Gambit - maybe, there were lil reference to them
-Phoenix, Collosus, and Beast b/ there were in the last ones...
-Either Archangel and Apocolypse, sentinals, or those mutants from space, I don't remember their names, but all those characters had something to do with phoenix at one point or another


Couple questions though:
-Wolverines memory of getting his skeleton were not true if I'm not mistaken, those were memory implants. So how does he get that metal skeleton? And I didn't know he use to be all bone, w/ bone claws and magneto took his metal skeleton. Did he ever get the metal back?
-Why is beast a normal looking human in that interview on TV? I thought he was born a blue beast???

Wolvie's stuff:
Basically, Logan's healing factor blanked out a lot of stuff in his early life, and the implants did the rest. The stuff with him remembering the adamantium infusion process is his real memeories breaking through the implants,which were basically blank, IIRC. He gets the metal fromt he Weapon X project, but apparently had bone claws before, in additon to his healing factor. Magneto takes his skeleton, so he's all bone, but his healing factor becomes so strong (uninhibited by adamantium)that his claws regrow and heal and replace broken bits between hits. Then you get into all kinds of crap with Apocalypse, and Wolverine becoming Death III (i think ;)), and he eventually defeats Sabretooth in a battle, and the adamantium from Sabretooth's body is transferred back into Logan. This happens later :lol:

Beast didn't always look like that, there;s all kinds of permutations (ha!) where he turns blue, turns more feline, turns white again, turns blue again, etc

and I don't have all this stuff memorized :lol:

This (http://24.191.192.76:8000/a.html) is a motherlode of reasonably complete info, even if it is a bit, ummmm, cramped :)
Everything you ever wanted to know and more :)

Another source (http://isc.faqs.org/faqs/comics/xbooks/main-faq/part1/preamble.html)

I posted this blurb over at newcelica.org yesterday after seeing the flick:

"Spoiler ahead...


























those who followed the comic remember that the Pheonix Saga lasted well over 10 years, iirc. From JG's death on the moon to the Inferno mess(where I gave up on comic books). And even then, i heard Racheal Sommers lasted for several more years.

I loved what i saw in the movie. Nothing was rushed, anything that seemed implausible, they were able to sneak in an explanation.

The X-Men movies are a franchise, and as long as none of teh acted starts complaiing about being typecast, there shood be plenty more. I'd love to see the Brood, the death on the moon, the Mutant Massacre, and the Fall of the Mutants storylines play out. And Havok. Nothing like a brother fued

The movies are working because they are spending time on the charachters. Its seems to be working."


I have no idea how much will and won't match up with the comic books. Jubilee di not appear until the Australia period.

I beleive Iceman,Angel, and Beast were part of teh original group, and yet 1 is a teenager, and 2 have not materialized yet.

If they try to adapt Chris Claremont's writing they will be in good shape.

I don't know about anyone else, but Wolverine was a whole lot more interesting when Marvel's writers (read: Chris Claremont) didn't feel the need to explain his past. A little tease here and there, but that was it, and it kept you coming back for more for years.

If that's the crap they came up with, then I'm very, very glad I stopped collecting comics when I did. His claws are real bone? How incredibly f-ing stupid. :rolleyes: :mad:

I really wish some of you younger guys had the chance to start collecting back in the 80's. Many of the stories and art that was created back then is lightyears ahead of the crap that's being produced now for the no-attention-span crowd. Some of the art I've seen is ridiculously cartoonish. Comic art and cartoons ain't the same thing.

Originally posted by Bottom Feeder
His claws are real bone? How incredibly f-ing stupid. :rolleyes: :mad:
THANK YOU!!!w0rd.

Why? It makes some sense. A) he is a raving maniac that tears everything he sees apart. B) you ever notice his acute sense of smell?

Having bone claws means he is just a human who's mutant abilities include healing and being part animal. :)

Originally posted by sjt

THANK YOU!!!w0rd.

that's it, I'm scanning the issue of Weapon X that shows you the bone claws...when I get home tomorrow.

Gotta fly!
Skippy

Scans, yes please.

If they're going to have five movies, won't they have to shoot some of them at the same time so that the actors don't get too old, kind of like LOTR?
Jay

Originally posted by MikeWRX-NJ
Why? It makes some sense. A) he is a raving maniac that tears everything he sees apart. B) you ever notice his acute sense of smell?

Having bone claws means he is just a human who's mutant abilities include healing and being part animal. :)


It merely invalidated GENERATIONS of Wolverine history for the sake of the lameass writer wanting to leave some mark in comic history...
1. normal guy that healed really well.
2. government agency abducts him & puts him through crazy ass experiments.
3. guy gets loose.

not crazy ass dude will bone claws and healing gets adamantium put into him and gets loose...

totally f-in stupid.

i saw the movie...and not being a comics/xmen fan...i thought it was great

Originally posted by Johnny Knoxville
i saw the movie...and not being a comics/xmen fan...i thought it was great


that's right bitch. :)

sst

Originally posted by Silver_SportTrac



that's right bitch. :)

sst

i still have your number bish

Originally posted by Johnny Knoxville


i still have your number bish


AHAHaHAhahahaha.....i know. :o :(

sst

Originally posted by sjt

It merely invalidated GENERATIONS of Wolverine history for the sake of the lameass writer wanting to leave some mark in comic history...Exactly! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by AC Lerok


her first appearance AS an x-man is like 181 or something. 184? i dunno, i have it at home. she used to wear a green velour jogging suit and had a betty crocker haircut . . . then all the sudden she got hot.

Her first appearance in the X-men was somewhere in the 150s, when she was still a member of the Brotherhood II, but like you said, she didn't actually join the team until the 160s. I remember that issue having Walter Simonson (Thor fame) cover art :)

Yeah she was actually a pretty plain looking girl until probably the early 210s, and that was when Marc Silvestri did a major makeover on her, and the other x-women as well, giving them pretty much all exotic dancer bodies.

Ed

Originally posted by BlackBeastie


Franklin Richards is a mutant with potential FAR beyond that of other mutants. At first, his powers manifested by Franklin being able to project his astral form and have precognitive dreams. When his adult self appeared from an alternate future, he possessed immeasurable psionic powers and could manipulate and alter reality with no limit. When he was turned into a teenager, he had unchecked telepathic and telekenetic powers, battle-trained reflexes, and owned a suit of sophisticated body armor with weapons systems. In other words, he was an extreme bad ass.

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Franklin also happens to be the mutant son of Reed and Susan Richards (Mr Fantastic and the Invisible Woman) of the Fantastic Four.

Ed

Originally posted by Rev


I agree. He does come off like a crapy fighter. In the comics he was faster, more agile, stronger, and he could attack with presicion. He studied swordsmanship, and could be gracefull when he was not raging. When it came to his claws he knew how to use them with efficiency. In the first movie he comes off as a guy with claws who swings them and hopes to hit something.

He was better in the second one though.

Eh early in the x-men series when he first joined, he was similar to the movie, he was a tough and brutal fighter, but not exactly the most refined. He was able to hack and slash and take a lot of hits himself due to his healing factor, but they developed his fighting skills and refined it a bit as the comic series went along. This was shown esp in the original Frank Miller Wolverine limited series when he went to Japan.

Ed

Originally posted by CirrusWRX
How come I can't figure out who Pyro is? I am not totally into this stuff, but I was about 15 years ago. I'm looking at my marvel card collection from 1990, and there is no mention of Pyro - there is "The Human Torch" - but this ain't the same dude.

I can't find him in the villians or "heroes" section. Who is he??! There is also no mention of him on Marvel.com



Pyro was an australian villain mutant who was first introduced in Mystique's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants II, which included Avalanche (shown recently in the X Men evolution cartoon), Blob, and some others i can't remember now. He's been in the x-men comic book series since the 180s i believe. Brotherhood of Evil Mutants II got renamed as Freedom Force when they officially became govt agents thru Mystiques govt hook ups

Ed

Psylocke......

:D definately.... I always wanted to see her indigo-haired glory...I don't know... maybe...Tia Carrere or Lucy Liu?

Originally posted by edkwon

and that was when Marc Silvestri did a major makeover on her, and the other x-women as well, giving them pretty much all exotic dancer bodies.True, but you didn't notice what Paul Smith was doing with her during his short run in the 170's?

Originally posted by Ti-Ben
I saw the movie last night, it was amazing! Logan was awesome. There's just one thing I didn't like, we didn't get to see Colossus very much, but for the time he was onscreen, he was kickass!

Wasn't Colossus supposed to be russian in the comic book? I think his name was Ivan.

I think that Halle Berry was the WRONG choice for Storm. I've thought that since the last movie.

She just doesn't have the same sense of majesty and power about her that the character does; far to shallow an actress (oscar be damned).

My choice would have been Angela Basset. She's reagal, older (which I've always thought Storm was), shes buffed and still pretty damn hot. And she can act circles around Berry.


I'm not saying that Halle Berry is an eye sore or anything.

Originally posted by thalias


Wasn't Colossus supposed to be russian in the comic book? I think his name was Ivan.

Piotr Nikolaievitch Rasputin

http://24.191.192.76:8000/colossus.html

Ed

Originally posted by edkwon


Pyro was an australian villain mutant who was first introduced in Mystique's Brotherhood of Evil Mutants II, which included Avalanche (shown recently in the X Men evolution cartoon), Blob, and some others i can't remember now. He's been in the x-men comic book series since the 180s i believe. Brotherhood of Evil Mutants II got renamed as Freedom Force when they officially became govt agents thru Mystiques govt hook ups

Ed

Cool - thanks!

Psylock, Gambit, and the Sentinels must be in part 3 or I will boycott the series for the rest of my life. :D

Obviously pheonix/dark phoenix is going to play some major role in the next movie. I'd love to see the Sentinels implimented as well. 90% sure Colossus will have a bigger role in the next movie.

Ed

anybody else notice logan's claws dont come out of the same place on the hand in the movie as they do in the comics?

for some reason that bothers me a lot...

Originally posted by edkwon
Obviously pheonix/dark phoenix is going to play some major role in the next movie. I'd love to see the Sentinels implimented as well. 90% sure Colossus will have a bigger role in the next movie.

Ed
WARNING * SPOILER *





















OK - I saw a late show when I saw it, and I just want to make sure I wasn't smoking crack - at the very end when they are doing the fly-over of the newly formed "lake," where JG died, caused by the melting ice and stuff, there was a faint outline of a "birds wings" in a firey like glow, right? I wasn't just imagining or seeing things was I? Very "phoenix like" wings might I add... almost firey/glowy/morphingy looking, no?

Originally posted by CirrusWRX
Very "phoenix like" wings might I add... almost firey/glowy/morphingy looking, no?

you're not buggin', it was there.

I concur, I saw it as well....an easter egg I bet...a sign of things to come.

Gotta fly!
Skippy

Originally posted by AC Lerok


you're not buggin', it was there.