As many of you have read. I am one of the first to order a 04 STi guage cluster to install in my 02 WRX.....
I finally recieved the cluster today. Let me inform you of what Ive found as I will need some electrical/wiring gurus help on a couple of items.....
Install was a snap I removed the stock cluster (for sale by the way)and the hardest part was getting it out with the factory collum mount boost guage in the way....
The new STi cluster arrived with the shift light knob in a seperate box. It looked straight foward as far as installing the knob. There were going to be 2 holes that would need to be drilled one on the clear cover from the stock cluster , and the 2nd on the cluster surround (again from the stock cluster) which is premarked.
I chose not to install the shift light knob as it seems there is something missing that will hold it in place. Hope to convince a friend with a STi (944 turbo guy) to permit me to look at how his cluster is set up so I can further understand how this knob is installed.......
I swapped ovewr the clear cover,guage surround and black hood from the stock cluster to the STi cluster and reinstalled cluster into my WRX. restarted car and the sweep function works!!! It looks beautiful and was a deciding factor in my purchasing the STi cluster... The guages and needles light up red with the STi logo lighting up in pink.....
Reved the engine and realised STi and WRX share a 7000 rpm redline...Guess what happened at 6800-6900 RPM??!! the shift light came on blinking very fast...IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no need for the shift knob as I will never anticipate having to lower my shift light point.......
Mileage read 000.0
Now for the bad news.....
First the signal light indicator doesnt work.. I can hear the relay clicking the lights on/off. Visual confirmation that theyre blinking but no indicator on dash to let me know that theyre on. If I try the l turn signal a light illuminates very faintly that says "hold" in green but thats all....
2nd the DCCD indicator stays on all the time...no biggie but I want to remove that sooner or later....
3rd Dimmer switch doesnt work!!! Its set to full bright and thats it.....
and the outside temp guage is stuck on 45 degrees...makes me hope all I need to do is plug in the outside temp guage and it should work....

So calling all wiring gurus..How can I rewire the cluster to work the signal lights?? How about a working dimmer??

I have pics but dont know how to upload them for viewing.....

If you have any questions feel free to ask away.....

If you wanna email me the pics I can host them.. pm'ing you my address.

Sweet mizar Id appreciate that.. I will do that once the wife comes over with my camera to computer cable....

Sounds like they moved some things around in the harness. You need to find the STi schematics to see where everything is going. I have the WRX schematics, but not the STi.

2000vfr800 would you have that in email friendly form?? If so can you email me with it??

If it is the USDM 04 STi cluster then at least you'll have a chance to eventually down load the electrical manuals for the 02 & 04STi

With out the schematics it is realy hard to tell what wires are crossed & what is still missing or pinned wrong.
Does any one know if the 04 STi is downloadable yet???

mizar tried emailing them to you but your mailbox was full...........

I got em :)

http://www.kr4d.com/~mizar/Gauge%20Cluster/clusterpics001.jpg

http://www.kr4d.com/~mizar/Gauge%20Cluster/clusterpics005.jpg

http://www.kr4d.com/~mizar/Gauge%20Cluster/clusterpics006.jpg

http://www.kr4d.com/~mizar/Gauge%20Cluster/clusterpics007.jpg

http://www.kr4d.com/~mizar/Gauge%20Cluster/clusterpics009.jpg

The two wires that we're looking at are the wires for the ambient temp. sensor. The '02-03 OBS came with it, so the WRX has the wires for it. Apparently, they short the stereo. Working on this.

Glad to hear the shift light works. I'll get these diagrams at some point during the day so we can figure the rest of this out.

Ryan

Ryan they were the black with blue stripe and black with pink stripe correct??

how about the inner trim piece (which was revised for 04')? htis is the piece that goes around the gauge faces. are they in stock? i am planning on doing this soon but i want the surround as well.

Tobey I reused my stock piece as can be seen on the final pic...You can see the pimple where you would drill/dremel for the shift light knob.... Im wondering if the turn signal indicators are covered up by the 02 trim piece...hmmmm need pic of sti cluster to compare....

Believe to have figured out the no turn signal mystery....
look at the sti cluster in this link......
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=368094
compare it to my cluster pic and notice the surround over the speedo/tach....
The STi one has less trim and more space for guages... I bet mine are covered up by the 02 trim ....will check on cost for a new STi trim and see if that works......will keep ya updated

Originally posted by SilverBoosted
Tobey I reused my stock piece as can be seen on the final pic...You can see the pimple where you would drill/dremel for theshift light knob.... Im wondering if the turn signal indicators are coverup by the o2 trim piece...hmmmm need pic of sti cluster to compare....

yeah but the new trim piece is so butta!!:p

i would pull the outer trim pieces off and see if the blinkers do in fact work before ordering one. the spacing on the plastic might be off or something, i bet that is the problem though.

That looks sweet, but did you get a dealer to verify your old mileage? If not, then your warranty is shot for sure, and there may be issues when you sell/trade the car.

If you don't mind me asking, how much did that sweet little bitch cost ya?

thrdeye $433 was the cost.......

no-rex-yet...i have that covered allready....

Awesome

Just pull the bulb for the DCCD piece!

Update Update Update Update!!!

Whats DCCD anyways? I WANT THESE GUAGES!!! Ive never wanted anything STi on my car(cuz its not an STi).. but damn this is too bad ass! I imagine simply hooking up a temp probe would make the temp work. Thats what we do on our Marquee stuff here at work. All it needs is the sensor hooked up.

If only I had the money.

Now taking donations for project WedREX. :D

Chris

Here's a thought: I have the temp sonsor in my '02 WRX wagon hooked up to the guage cluster form the '01 model year- the one with compass, temp, etc.- I wonder if that particular sensor would work on your cluster?

a few months ago i was going to do the old sti cluster...i was going to try to hook up a front temp sensor but it mounts in the front bumper (near the horn)... i couldn't find the empty harness that the sensor plugs into.

can someone get a part number for that harness? is it already in the car? i didn't take the front bumper off to look?

the sensor is $25 through most places, i have the part number here somewhere...

some old threads:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=285290&highlight=sensor

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=322230&highlight=sensor

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=290320&highlight=sensor

Cool. As a reference, how exactly did you get the odometer documented? Do they add a notation to your title? Great job on doing this!

Originally posted by SilverBoosted
thrdeye $433 was the cost.......

no-rex-yet...i have that covered allready....

Originally posted by Subie2


Whats DCCD anyways?
Chris

dccd is the driver controlled center differential, the STi's get that little wheel/knob on the center console that lets them manually adjust the amt of power given the front and rears (i think that's what it did, 35/65 and vice versa max right?)

btw, how do you remove the stock cluster? is it hard/need lots of odd tools? :)

All you need to remove the stock cluster is a Phillips head screwdriver.

is the backlighting on all the time in the Sti? so its always red even during the day...

Focus...The cluster is allways backlit for me asthe 02 dimmer switch is diff than the 04s and I cant adjust the dimmer...Also I ran with the lights on the 1 time I drove my car after install (knee surgery and my ecu now at cobb for reflash prohibit my driving) so I dont know what it looks like with the lights off....

hey silver, i just ordered one today. thanks for taking the plunge for the team, got some balls man. anyway, i'll talk to my friend that is all into electronics and stuff and i'll see what he can come up with for a these little problems such as the dimmer switch and the temp thing. i'll let you know asap. i guess that makes 2 with the cluster now. ;)

as soon as i can scrounge up $500 or so it's next on my list!

hope you get to drive your car soon :)

Originally posted by jedimaster71472
All you need to remove the stock cluster is a Phillips head screwdriver.
a short phillips screwdriver;)

i have heard about having the dealer document your mileage before. i have been wanting to do this swap for a long time (mainly for the center tach). can you not swap clusters back to the original when you take it into the dealer?

someone said that when you sell your car you have to sell it with "unknown mileage" (or something to that effect) but if you look honest or something i guess the dealer would take your word on whatever mileage you tell him/her :)

"a short phillips screwdriver"

Good point- if you have one of those little stubby screwdrivers, you'll be much happier:D

http://www.kr4d.com/~mizar/Gauge%20Cluster/clusterpics010.jpg

any updates on the wiring deal?

Chris

does the needle swing over when u first start the motor, like in the sti?

Originally posted by SilverBoosted

I swapped ovewr the clear cover,guage surround and black hood from the stock cluster to the STi cluster and reinstalled cluster into my WRX. restarted car and the sweep function works!!! It looks beautiful and was a deciding factor in my purchasing the STi cluster... The guages and needles light up red with the STi logo lighting up in pink.....

yes it does, one of the best parts!

Pics look good as I am going to order one within the week. Is that pic with the stock '02 bezel or the '04?? Wondering, because I have read that the '02 covers the turn signals. Post when you find out about the temp and dimmer issues. Any problems with the wiring harnesses or easy reconnect? :D

fstrexv thats the 02 bezel Ive ordered the STi bezel in hopes of curing the turn signal issue....In contact with a nasioc member in Ca. who says he can show me how to wire the temp guage as soon as I get on so thats next.... As far as the harness itsself it plugs right in no hassle there...
Whats weird is the temp guage read 42 degrees yesterday yet today it has risen up to 54 degrees while driving ...how can it read temp without a temp sensor....

I believe it reads resistance in the wires so for some reason the
resistance in your wiring is changing .. maybe due to temps

nice...

y, is the Check Engine Still ON.. and the mileage havent increase, yet?? o is it the same pic.. me and my lagging mind.. :lol:

Originally posted by wrx2sti
y, is the Check Engine Still ON..
the car isn't running, note the tach is sitting at 0rpm. you have a CEL on if your key is just sitting in the accessory position

Hah! second pic is my fault.. came in on his wifes email... I though it looked different.. it was just resized.. :(

Ikonosin : ohh, didnt realise dat.. no wonder u're a specialist...
:alien:

mizar : thanks. :D

i want d cluster too.. any UK spec MY02 WRX, done it?? o is it d same set up as the US's?

UPDATE!!!UPDATE!!!UPDATE!!!!!!UPDATE!!!!UPDATE!!!! !UPDATE!!!

Ok finally got to drive my car today...Cruse controll does work. I tried it on the beltway and it set like normal no problems at all...
High beam indicator does not work...That sucks but oh well....

any eta on the new gauge bezel?

also.. could you give out some step by step instructions for the swap (for the really nervous... like me)

:)

congrats!!!... out. temp working?? hehhe.. share it with all the subaru family.. :D

Originally posted by mizar
any eta on the new gauge bezel?

also.. could you give out some step by step instructions for the swap (for the really nervous... like me)

:)

me too, step by step would be fantastic! oh and can you confirm or deny weather or not the lights are on all the time?

Ok ryan at irvine says the bezel shold be in next week....
Temp guage does not work 42degrees is some goofy number the ecu made up...
The exterior lights all work...The interior guage lights work but no dimming available...gotta figure a way around that..(Wiring gurus feel free to help on this one...

As for install its easy...

1) buy guage cluster...lol

Unplug battery
Tilt steering wheel to its lowest setting
Using a phillips screwdriver remove 2 screws on guage surround located at the top of surround
Pull surround out be gentle but firm. also be careful of boost guage if you have stock collum mount boost guage its a tight fit...
Guage cluster has 3 phillips screws 2 at the bottom corners and one at the top center.Remove screws with a phillips screwdriver Make sure not to drop the screws in your dash.
Gently pull outyour guage cluster as far as it will go. There are 3 wiring harnesses attached to the rear top center,left and right sides of the cluster. unplug each harness .
Dont worry about memorizing where they go as they will only plug into the proper spot on the cluster.
Work the guage cluster out and set aside.
Take your stock cluster and remove the clear cover as you will reuse this if you have a new 04 STi cluster from Ryan at www.irvinesubaru.com as the new one does not come with this piece. Clear cover held on by push clips I think there were 4 of them.
Behind the clear cover is a black hood. Again remove this hood to reuse with the new 04 STi cluster. Same style of push clips to remove 4-5 I believe.
Finally remove bezel to use on the STi cluster if you didnt buy the bling-bling STi bezel. I believe the turn indicators are hidden behind the 02 bezel and will find out next week when my STi bezel arrives.
Reverse install the parts onto your 04 STI bezel.
Now take your completed STi cluster to your car. Before installing find the black with blue stripe and black with pink stripe wires on the center harness and clip them. There for the temp guage and will short out your radio fuse for some reason (as per Ryan at Irvine Subaru)Double check with Ryan as to the color wiring as I am going from memory.
After clipping and taping off of those wires reinstall cluster into your car . Again be careful with your collum mount boost guage if you have one. Dont forget to plug in your wiring harnesses.
Redo the 3 screws holding the cluster into place. Reattach the shroud with the 2 screws.
Put your steering wheel back up to the regular position. Reconnect battery . Turn on your car and enjoy.....

wow, that even looks easy enough for me to do it! hehe

sorry if my question was unclear, i meant, are the guages backlit during the day too (like the evo guages), let us know when the bezel gets there and if it works, (btw how much was the bezel)

whoo pathetically easy.. i figured i had to disassemble the whole dash..

hmmm i need that cluster....

I say screw the outside air temp..........you should shoot for post ic air temp at the throttle body. Now thats usefull. It most likely cannot be done i suppose.

Just got a PM from genghishan I Quote "just got the temp sensor , and run two wire to the cluster harrnass. is pin B11.and B-8(the middle one)
and it work, reads 77 f

about the dimmer , all you need to do is disconnect the C9 wire ,and connect to the pin B21 ".

C is the pasg harnass
B is the middle harnass

NOTE************take above info with a grain of salt as I did the dimmer mod on my cluster and it doesnt work....dont know whats going on.. ************NOTE

i just wish i could put this in a gc8 dash :devil:

i guess all the wiring stuff will make sense after i get one ;)

congrats on the temp sensor working...new pics?

so how much for the bezel and the temp sensor? :)

bezel is $50+-... Dont know abot the sensor yet will find out soon....

I see that the MPH goes to 160, but on WRX it's 140. Is there a way that you could adjust the speedometer?

that confused me (above post) why would you need to adjust the speedo? i'm guessing you mean that the speeds will be off by approx 20mph? shouldn't the cluster be set for it and not need adjustment?

anyways, any news on your bezel and temp sensor yet? :)

All the speedo means is if my wrx can go 160 i will be able to read the mileage...
Adiliyo the temp sensor is like $25 from subaruparts.com as for the cluster its $55 from ryan at irvine subaru...I havent ordered the temp sensor yet but when I do get them in I will post up pics ...
I did modify the wiring to get the dimmer to work properly....

Originally posted by SilverBoosted
I did modify the wiring to get the dimmer to work properly....

Then do tell my friend.. someone needs to post all this up over at scoobymods.com. :D

This is def gonna be one of my mods after I get married!! I NEED MONEY! I cant wait to finish school and get a new job. I need $$$ if you know what I mean.

Chris

Hmm- yeah does the speedo read correctly?

Originally posted by Subie2


Then do tell my friend.. someone needs to post all this up over at scoobymods.com. :D

This is def gonna be one of my mods after I get married!! I NEED MONEY! I cant wait to finish school and get a new job. I need $$$ if you know what I mean.

Chris

What makes you think you're gonna have any money once you get married?;)

Originally posted by jedimaster71472


What makes you think you're gonna have any money once you get married?;)

:lol: :lol: so true!

Ok the dimmer wire is fairly easy...,all you need to do is disconnect the C9 wire ,and connect that wire to pin B21 ...

"C"is the pass side wiring harness on the cluster and
"B" is the center wiring harness on the cluster... very simple mod and easy to do...I cant take the credit for this it was actually nasioc member genghishan who got me the information...thanks dude....

NOTE************take above info with a grain of salt as I did the dimmer mod on my cluster and it doesnt work....dont know whats going on.. ************NOTE

Yes the clusters mileage is proper as I have gone past the radar box that shows your mileage and at 30-40-50-60 and 75 it was spot on.....

aren't those radar boxes at places where the speed limit is like 30 something mph? :p

i'm jus keeding!
that's a load off my mind though...now if only i had the money already...

oh, have you changed your hvac and radio lights or anything? if not, how does the red/green look? i want to change them because i'm afraid it will look kind of x-mas'y which i don't want...if u haven't and it's not too much trouble could u post a pic of the hvac and radio lit up w/ the steering cluster also just to see how it looks?

thanks even if you don't :)

Adiliyo

believe it or not I have yet to drive at night with the new cluster installed (knee surgery keeps me from driving much)...I will take a ic and email it to you as I still dont know how to post.....



Speed limit?? I didnt see any speed limit signs...:devil: :alien: :D

Silver- you need to host it somewhere, then use the IMG tag to put it in your post- if you'd like further help, PM me- we'd all like to see the pic!:)

cool deal, you can email it to me (pm me for my email address if u need to) or if you want to post it i use Imagestation (http://www.imagestation.com) sorry about your knee, hope it gets better :)

Great mod guys.......
This would go nicely with all my Defi BF gauges.

Does anybody have the part numbers on the Sti cluster and bezel?

what is a 'bezel'?? :disco:

wrx2sti its the surround part in silver on the sti and gray on the wrx

Great post! You should do a step by step write up of all the mods to make it work with the sensor, dimmer, etc. Great for Scoobymods.com

i second that! especially if you have to remove the cluster again to get the bezel and temp sensor to work...since you already have half the work done, all that's left is to take pics as you put it back together right? :D

i can't wait to get this done on my car!

btw, any news on the pics with the lights on? (hvac/radio and cluster) :)

bump

Why doesn't the correct mileage show up after you install this new cluster? Doesn't the mileage run off some other memory function in the car?

apparantly mileage is only stored in the cluster itself, nowhere else in the car...

Interesting. Then what is the procedure for documenting the mileage previous to this cluster install, just go to the dealer and have them do it?

^yup yup^

pics? pretty please? ;)

The other 4 pages are listed previous to this one.

Picts are on page 1

What color is the stereo + HVAC stuff on the 04 WRX?

I really don't think the Christmas tree look would be that bad, just imagining it...

-bd

those are the pics i want to see, cluster with hvac+sterero lighting on, to see the x-mas effect :)

Im sorry havent still driven at night I will finally do that this weekend and take pics for ya....

woohoo!

thanks!, all's that's left for me after i see the pics is to scrounge up the money for the cluster :)

I got my cluster today. There are no bulbs. So, the idea of changing the color from red to white to match the Defi BF gauges won't work. But, it should still be pretty nice looking. It also means you can't just remove the bulb for the DCCD display.

Here are some pictures.

This is the stock WRX cluster back so you can see the bulbs which can be removed or replaced.
http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/WRXCluster.JPG
Here is the back of the STi cluster
http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/STiCluster.JPG

how long were you waiting for this? did you get them from ryan?

Couple weeks. Yea, I got it from Ryan.

i figured there wouldn't be any bulbs, the sti cluster is supposed to be "electroluminescent" not sure what that means, but it supposedly makes it a lot easier to read during the day than the evo's cluster is...:)

2000vfr800: since you haven't installed your cluster yet (i hope not at least) can you please post some pics of the install...it doesn't look hard, but some pics would help a lot :D

Yea...I'll do what I can. But, it might be a bit because I am waiting for my engine rebuild before I put it in and that's probably going to be another month...

So...from luckily seeing Silverboosted edits above and from reading through the thread, here is a summary to see if this is correct so I can try to test it out this weekend...

1. The Dimmer modification as posted earlier in the thread does NOT work. Still need to investigate this.
2. In order to not short out the radio, you have to clip the two wires for the temperature sensor. These are Pins B-11 and B-8. You can install the sensor you buy from the dealer for $25 and connect to these pins to get the temperature gauge to work. Since I have outside temperature in my mirror already, I am going to monitor under hood temps with it.

I am going to temporarily install the cluster and my BF boost gauge to see what it looks like this weekend.

cool, no prob about the time...i don't have the extra cash to buy it yet (it's next on my list though :p ) so i can wait :)

ok i bit the bullet and got a 72 hour subscription to subaru tech files and downloaded the pdfs on the sti cluster....Now all I need is someone with wiring knowelage to decipher which wire to reroute where.....

ok i bit the bullet and got a 72 hour subscription to subaru tech files and downloaded the pdfs on the sti cluster....Now all I need is someone with wiring knowelage to decipher which wire to reroute where.....

what did people pay for the cluster and temp probe?
i got charged $45 for temp probe
and $480 for cluster from irvine subaru
is this high

about right give or take a few dollars....

also 2000vfr800 is helping me with the wiring so hope to have that soon.................

Yea...I'm compiling a spreadsheet of all the pins for the 02 WRX and the 04 STi. This might not be as PnP as originally thought, but we'll figure it out. I'll try to get it up here tonight when I get home from my date...

edited

Actually...I don't know how the ones that are supposed to have worked even work. Speed, RPM, water temp are all on different pins. I'll have to think about this.

2000vfr800.....Any other pdfs you need let me know i have 72 hours to get them....

If you can get the entire chapter on Wiring for the STi (chapter 7 for the WRX...I already have this and it matches what you sent me already), that would be helpful. If not, just the Engine Electrical Section in that chapter. These sections have the wire color codes for the wires connected which could come in handy for verification.

you got email my friend...

edited.

*******************WARNING************************ *


Do not perform the above listed wiring mods. 2000vfr800 and I have found the wiring pin designation to have changed between the 02 WRX and the 04 STi...2000vfr800 is working on the proper wiring mods as we speak...Please wait for a updated post with the proper wiring mods will be posted shortly....Sorry for the confusion....

I made a rookie mistake and they swaped connector designations between years. I didn't catch that.

I'm editing the instructions now.

Still sorting some stuff out. The bad news is that the '02 cluster connectors are missing some wires which won't make controlling illumination easy. But, here are some pictures of the connectors. I'll edit them with pin numbers later. Trying to get this sorted out so nobody is left hanging. Two pictures of each, front and back.

Connector A
http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/a1.jpg
http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/a2.jpg

Connector B
http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/b1.jpg
http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/b2.jpg

Connector C
http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/c1.jpg
http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/c2.jpg

Word to the wise. The turn signals don't work when the hazard switch is disconnected. I was putting my car back together and trying to get my old cluster working before putting this one in and I couldn't get the turn signals to work. Anyway...1/2 hour later...I remembered...

But...back on topic. I plugged in the cluster without any wiring changes and turned on the key. I immediately blew the radio fuse. So, you have to cut the temperature sensor wires.

Anyway, the cluster turned right on and did it's opening sequence. Also, the turn signals worked. A few of the indicators are on and I want to figure out why, but it was a good day.

Gotta go, but when I return from dinner, I'll do some finish up on this and see if I can figure the rest out... Plus post a few pictures or a movie or two...

Dude... best thread ever! You guys rock.

OK...I updated the pictures with pin numbers. Can somebody with WRX schematics verify? Page WI-56?

Summary.

You must cut the temperature sensor wires or you'll blow the radio fuse.

You must buy the STi bezel. The stock WRX bezel covers the turn signals with incorrect overlays. Instead of the turn signal arrows, you get a flashing "HOLD" for the left turn signal, and nothing for the right. See the video below.

I will try to figure out the illumination dimming tomorrow. Hopefully it will be as easy as moving one pin. But, it might require adding some pins and wires to the harnesses. I also want to work on the indicators that are illuminated. But, that is all icing in my opinion.

Here are some videos:

Here is the cluster turning on with the STi bezel (http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/sticlusteron.avi)
Here are the turn signals working with the STi bezel (http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/stiturnsignals.avi)
Here is the cluster turning on with the WRX bezel (http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/wrxbezelon.avi)
Here are the turn signals working (well...not working) with the WRX bezel (http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/wrxbezelturnsignals.avi)

To be continued...

wow!!! you all rock! so the basic install (without dimming and stuff) is still fairly plug and play (providing you clip the temp sensor wires and use the STi bezel) right?

can't wait to see the rest :)

Yes. The minimum you have to do is cut the sensor wires. The cluster will then work, just no dimming and a few of the annunicators are lit up (rear diff temp warning).

Yes, you do have to have the STi bezel.

i will email you the WRX pdf when i get home.....

I have the WRX schematics (if you were talking to me silverboosted). I just like having someone check my work. I've already checked it but like when you questioned me on the phone, it's good to have someone check it. We always do engineering checks here at work.

does the layout applied to UK spec 02 WRX, too?? :disco:

does the layout applied to UK spec 02 WRX, too?? Honestly, I have no idea.

Another lister has reported tha they cut the sensor wires and the radio fuse still blew. So, I need to find out what the problem is.

I tried to move some wires around in the harness last night to get some things working and turn off other things, but came up short.

It's going to be a bit before I get back to this so I'll report what I find then.

Upon install I did blow the radio fuse. I did not cut the temp sensor wires yet and have not blown anymore fuses since the initial blowout....

Did you replace the radio fuse with a new one and it is fine? Did you disconnect and reconnect the cluster and not blow the fuse again?

There are two part numbers for the guage cluster and without researching it further it doesn't give me a difference between the two, but here are part numbers and prices...

STi Cluster 1-----85021FE050-----$542.33 List
Sti Cluster 2-----85021FE060----- same
Sti Bezel----------85070FE120-----$63.37 List

If you guys ever want part numbers or prices on parts just throw me a PM, only takes a minute and I am usually on here while I am at work.

Jackie

i replaced the fuse with a fact spare. I have removed the cluster 3-4 times with 0 problem since...

just installed mine today. LOOKS GREAT :D def. need the sti bezel.

I always thought that the odometer number was stored in the ECU. Do the odometer and trip odometer work? Is there any way to "set" the STi odometer to my mileage? I'd assume that would be difficult to prevent tampering.

I'm a little confused about the temp sensor. If the sensor is installed, will the radio fuse still blow?

I'm looking forward to a full Scoobymods write-up. The pictures of the connectors are a great idea. Best mod Evar! hehehe

Originally posted by aspera
I always thought that the odometer number was stored in the ECU. Do the odometer and trip odometer work? Is there any way to "set" the STi odometer to my mileage? I'd assume that would be difficult to prevent tampering.

I'm a little confused about the temp sensor. If the sensor is installed, will the radio fuse still blow?

I'm looking forward to a full Scoobymods write-up. The pictures of the connectors are a great idea. Best mod Evar! hehehe
IIRC you can do it at the dealer. They need to do some odometer certification or something. But AFAIK you can't do it yourself.

-bd

REDOO2000 when you installed the cluster did you cut the temp sensor wires (B-8 & B-11)? And if so did the radio fuse blow?

For the bezel you could just take your OEM one and just remove the black parts where the turn signals and the other indicators are.

I'm still blowing my radio fuse any help would bee good.

Also is there a difference in 02 and 03 because min is a 03?

Thanx

i was thinking about the bezel modifying thing...but i don't want to take mine apart yet to see how it all is (difficulty and cleanlyness of cutting...re-painting if necessary ect) but i guess i don't have anything to lose really after i buy the new cluster...if i screw up my bezel i'll just go buy the sti bezel..maybe if someone could post a pic of the sti bezel lying flat on something so i could compare when the time comes....:)

yes my radio fuse is blown, and i cut the wires. im goin to change fuse know

I was just stating that you need to cut the temperature sensor wires because I thought it was already proven that those were the offending wires. Both the '02 and '04 have the temperature sensors in the same spot so I could never figure out how they were causing the short.

I won't be able to work on this until Sunday evening. I am going out of town tonight.

yes my radio is still blowing the fuse.
i have STi Cluster 1-----85021FE050
if this matters

i was comparing the sti schematic to the 02 wrx schematic and i found that b27 and b28 were not being used. i cut them both and know my radio does not blow a fuse and everything is working so far. next step is to find out how to dim:) plus if you take out the black pieces from the wrx bezel u will be able to see the turn signals until you get the sti bezel

The pins aren't different. They relabeled the connectors so what is connector A in our car, is connector C in the STi and 04 WRX. That is why my pictures above state that.

Good luck with the dimming. At the least, you're going to have to move and add pins to the wiring harnesses.

Don (posting from my parent's place)

Originally posted by 2000vfr800
The pins aren't different. They relabeled the connectors so what is connector A in our car, is connector C in the STi and 04 WRX. That is why my pictures above state that.

Good luck with the dimming. At the least, you're going to have to move and add pins to the wiring harnesses.

Don (posting from my parent's place)

This mya have been answered already, but does this mean the STi cluster is PnP for the MY04 WRX?

please let it be, please let it be, please let it be :D

For all intents and purposes yes it a plug and play item...The few issues you will have (no dimming and DCCD light on) are minor......

Now let me just get this straight, the dealer will make a note on the milage but they canot or will not change the new odometer for the correct reading, if so whats to prevent one from making the change and then misleading someone in a later sale, and does this problem occur if you were to simply swap old 02/03 guages for brand new ones.

from what i've heard, you will always have to sell your car as an "unknown mileage" car, to whatever effect that brings about, but to be sure, i'd just call my local dealer and see what they say (give them a hypothetical case, like your cluster breaking/damaged/failing...or something like that and see what they say they do in that case...probably the easiest way to get a definite answer :)

can someone pleeeeaassseeee post the pics at nightime with the hvac/radio and cluster showing? :D

from what i've heard, you will always have to sell your car as an "unknown mileage" car, to whatever effect that brings about, but to be sure, i'd just call my local dealer and see what they say (give them a hypothetical case, like your cluster breaking/damaged/failing...or something like that and see what they say they do in that case...probably the easiest way to get a definite answer :)

can someone pleeeeaassseeee post the pics at nightime with the hvac/radio and cluster showing? :(

oops...so that's how people double post...sorry (and more sorry for the this third post..but i couldn't resist.. :devil:

i just got the cluster as well.....is there anything i can do to make the outside temp. readings work?

i would guess buying the temp probe (from the obs?) would do it...SilverBoosted was going to do it at one point or another i think...but i would assume getting the probe would do it?

like everyone else, i blew the radio fuse. The power to my gauges are tapped from the radio unit so my gauges are not working as well. I changed the cluster back, replaced fuse, and now everything is working.
I wanted to see if anyone can confirm that if i cut the ext. temp wires, does that mean radio fuse won't blow?
thanks.

back up top.

there are a lot of posts here. does anyone have a summary of a)what has to be done to get stuff working and b) open issues that still have to be resolved?

i would like to do this mod, but it seems like there are still some unresolved issues.

p.s. does the sti cluster light up red or a red/orange color? every picture i see seems to have a bit different shade of lighting so the camera settings are throwing it off.

:banana:

Ca someone also post the best place to purcahse the cluster?

thanks

...what Tobey said.:)

I can't confirm, but I believe that all you have to do is cut B27 and B28 and the cluster will work and not short the radio fuse. I don't think anything needs to be done to the ext. temp wires.

Contact Ryan at Irvin Subaru...that's where I got mine.

from what i read, that seems to be what you basically have to do to get it to work, but the dimming still doesn't have a solution and i don't think anyone has tried to get the temp probe to work yet either, oh and the dccd display is on if that bothers you...

still no pics w/ hvac radio and the cluster all lit up?

pleaase? anyone w/ the cluster? :(

Originally posted by Adiliyo
from what i read, that seems to be what you basically have to do to get it to work, but the dimming still doesn't have a solution and i don't think anyone has tried to get the temp probe to work yet either, oh and the dccd display is on if that bothers you...

still no pics w/ hvac radio and the cluster all lit up?

pleaase? anyone w/ the cluster? :(


so lets recap. open problems are:

1) no dimmer control

2) no outside temp readout

3) dccd display still there.


are these the only ones left? these aren't a big deal... can someone make a simplified, 1 post solution (how-to) or start a new thread and make it a sticky? i think it would benifit everyone, then as a few more people are able to install these by the simplified, posted methods, maybe we can get the other issues clarified?

:banana:

Sounds like a good idea. Go for it...

Originally posted by 2000vfr800
Sounds like a good idea. Go for it...

i would do it in a heartbeat, but i think it's better left to someone who has actually performed the work... i can follow directions, i can write directions (if i have done the work), but trying to make sense of 3 pages worth of posts/directions will = disaster if i do it.

I like the way you think.

sounds like a good idea to me too!

if someone is going to do a writeup...some pics of the process would be appreciated :)


also wondering...is the swap procedure the same in the 04 WRX's, since the tach and speedo are in the same place as the STi ones i got curious...wouldn't want to cut the wrong things

only one way out.
get an STi
:lol: :lol:

I was wondering if someone has the part number for the clear cover for the actual STI Gauge (the one with two holes for the shift light controller knob. Can anyone sell me one of these so I don't have to goto my local Subaru dealer with their high markup.

not the best step by step but good enough. THanks for the help and the info on this thread.

http://www.midnitecorner.com/cluster/icluster.htm

to get het STI cluster with teh correct milage, estimate how many iles you drive eacy day/week..
when you go in to order the cluster, ask how long it will tkae to put in, then fiugre out when your gonna install it, and when ordering, give them the estimated miles of that date..
say your 02 WRX has 31, 555 on it, and when you order it, it will be in in 5 days. in 5 days time you average 600 miles, and you know your gonna install this sexy piece as soon as you get your hands on it(thats right.ebfore you even leave hte parking lot!)
so when you order it, tell them you have 32,200 miles on your car.. it may be off by a few miles, even up to 1000 is no big deal.
i have done cluster swaps in alot of cars so far, i work for a toyota dealer..and if hte car is staying overnight, we order every cluster with the current miles, if not, we usually estimate 600 miles and order them with whatever that milage is.

when you pick up the cluster, ask the parts person for a odometer replacement sticker, all it is is a sticker that you write milage at time of replacement on, and whatever the new odometer reads. and i beleive you sign it, then stick it in the glove box.

toyota may be a little more advanced when it comes to the clusters..maybe they are the only ones who offer odometer programming. from what i know though, dealerships CANNOT program the odometer, only when they are ordered they can be programmed(the come to the dealership programmed)

Murray

All I am really interested in is having the Tach in the center, (the red illumination would be an added bonus)

Would it make sense just to buy an 04 WRX cluster instead, or would I run into the same wiring issues people are having with the 04 STI cluster?

from what ryan at irvine subaru said earlier...he thinks that the 04 wrx cluster is not sold as one part like the STi (i think that's what he said..maybe i got confused in the translation)..so from that i think it's easier to gt the STi cluster instead..

if anyone can make sure i'm write or tell me i'm wrong it'd be good :)

i have an auto wrx...
and i'm wondering if the sti gauge cluster would work.
since i have the gear indicator between the fuel and temp gauges, i wonder how it would effect the wiring ...

i'm looking forward to getting this cluster
but that is one of my concerns.

wouldn't it be weird if the Dccd display lined up with the auto indicators (i don't think it will, there's only 5 modes of dccd right?) and P R N D 3 2 1 (is it 321 i haven't seen an auto wrx/rs since i glanced at them at the dealer) but it would be neat right?

"ya i'm not in drive, i'm in mode 3" :lol:

Gotta question here: would a conversion to a 2004 WRX cluster be more straightforward than the STi cluster?

Doesn't anybody read these days? How much straight forward can this be?

1. Buy the '04 STi cluster and bezel
2. Remove the old cluster
3. Cut 2 wires.
4. Install new cluster

You're done.

As for the auto/DCCD indicators:

And as you can see from the schematics, and since we know from above that connectors "A" and "C" are swapped from '02 WRX to '04 STi, we see that the DCCD indicators are connected to the same pins as the auto indicators. The only difference is the ignition and battery connections. Somebody can either have balls and just plug in, or try disconnecting them.

'02 WRX
http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/auto.jpg

'04 STi
http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/DCCD.jpg

This mod is just too sweet. Adding this to my to-do list. :banana:

BTW...If you wanted to, let's say, make the big triangle Drive, next biggest 3, medium triangle for 2, and smallest for 1, the square for reverse...

All you would have to do is cut and reconnect the wires for what you want.

I'l actually going to build a circuit this winter which will incorporate my V1 remote display...

Originally posted by 2000vfr800

I'l actually going to build a circuit this winter which will incorporate my V1 remote display...


Dude... if you do that, please post it... I'd even consider buying one off you if it worked nicely. I love your idea. Incorporating things into the existing OEM niches is what I'm all about. :banana:

Sure...no problem.

Wouldn't the 2004 WRX (non STi) cluster be a direct 1 for 1 swap? Wouldn't it have numbers instead of triangles? What is the advantage of the STi cluster over the WRX cluster?

Originally posted by alphamale
Wouldn't the 2004 WRX (non STi) cluster be a direct 1 for 1 swap? Wouldn't it have numbers instead of triangles? What is the advantage of the STi cluster over the WRX cluster?


For me it's a big cosmetic thing with the red backlighting/red needles and all. There is no other way to get a brighter more vibrant red color, LED's won't do it as evenly or as effectively, bulb condoms defintiely aren't bright enough, and the cluster itself just looks amazing. Also you get the shift light, cool black out/sweep motion start-up, and thicker silver gauge trim than what is on the '04 wrx's (if you decide to buy this also).

ditto

mmm....red guages (i really don't like green backlighting)....(and the shift light is cool :) )

it is fairly just a cosmetic thing though, if you're not one for red guages (and the little STi on them) then a wrx swap would be just the same..(but i thought the wrx guages didn't come as one part like the STi ones...

ryan? any info?

Originally posted by shields102
I say screw the outside air temp..........you should shoot for post ic air temp at the throttle body. Now thats usefull. It most likely cannot be done i suppose.

Great idea. I am going to look into doing this. I plan on adding a NOS spray system to cool the intercooler. Having intercooler temp, a shift light and center tach will justify my pratical side for doing this mod. The rest of me just wants the cool colors. :cool:

Originally posted by alphamale
Wouldn't the 2004 WRX (non STi) cluster be a direct 1 for 1 swap? Wouldn't it have numbers instead of triangles? What is the advantage of the STi cluster over the WRX cluster?


Advantages... Bling factor. Thats it. Most people who spout off other reason are just trying to justify the $400 plus dollars they spent, and the car still looks/performs the same. :devil:

If the temperature sensor is anything like the temperature sensor for the mirror, then it won't work for IC out temp. It is highly filtered and you wouldn't see the transient temperature changes you would want to see.

But, don't let that discourage you from trying...

Originally posted by 03WRXMA



Advantages... Bling factor. Thats it. Most people who spout off other reason are just trying to justify the $400 plus dollars they spent, and the car still looks/performs the same. :devil:

What better Bling than the Bling you can actually see and enjoy while you are driving. :)
I can think of better ways to spend $400+ but if you got the cash then why not. :D

Originally posted by 2000vfr800
If the temperature sensor is anything like the temperature sensor for the mirror, then it won't work for IC out temp. It is highly filtered and you wouldn't see the transient temperature changes you would want to see.

But, don't let that discourage you from trying...

Actually what I had in mind was to tack weld a thermocouple to the intercooler and then convert that voltage to what the gauge cluster needs. I hope what ever filtering there may be in the A/D converter it is relatively fast. Is there a digital signal output from the temp gauge itself or analog???

It doesnt seem that bad.. which makes me realize that the Zerosports, Syms, and other aftermarket gauge pod will work the same way Gil. As for the wiring, you might want to look up Ravensblade for some wiring diagrams. I think I still have a copy of the wiring for the gauge pod for my future mod of getting a stack unit instead (just an analog tach in the middle, all the other info is in digital, for of those who don't know, it's www.stackinc.com )

Keefe

If i installed the STI cluster in a 04' WRX would the install be any different? Anyone actually done this on their 04'?

Well, I did the install and i've had it in about two weeks now. I am in love with it, it makes the interior look awsome, much more like the quality of the whole car has gone up a notch. Reminds me of something you would see in the higher price Audi but better. I haven't got the Temp gauge hooked up yet but I am planning on it. I think it was money well spent, much , much better then any glowing overlay you would normaly use to replace the look. (It went in perfect the first try).
I was thinking of doing a writeup for scooby mods on it but im going to wait until I do the Temp gauge to post it.

Review from the E-mail shipped to Gil, thought I would post it here also. Great install instructions from this thread, thanks guys......:)

i got my temp. sensor today part#73730FE010
did anyone else install there temp sensor? and if how did they connect wires to it

Is that the temp sensor for the outback? Does that temp sensor only have two wires to match the two for the gauge that were cut.

I would like to start by saying thanks to the people who have tried this and have taken the risk.

Doesn't anybody read these days? How much straight forward can this be?

Yeah, that's great and all, but I would rather keep the dimming feature, I find it very useful, I don't care to have a temp guage, swinging needles or un-used indicator lights. They are all neat things to have, but like I said, all I want is a center mounted tach (because I rely more on my tach than my speedo) and red illumination would be nice to match the bulb condom switch I already did. (I guess the better question would be, do 04 WRX's have red illumination, if not, do they use bulb condoms) And last, I would assume that since the WRX has fewer features built into it's cluster than the STI, it would be less $$$. I called my local subaru dealership, and they couldn't even find a part number.

So 2000vfr800, you wouldn't happen to have the schematic for the 04 WRX handy would you?

I want shifty light!!!!!!!

i installed the otside temp sensor today and it didnt work
i connected the two wires b8 b11 to the sensor from the gauge cluster. is there suppose to be voltage coming from one of the wires? one wire goes to ground. anyone do this yet and have it work?

this thread.. worthless.. without.. pics? :D

-bd

Originally posted by REDOO2000
i installed the otside temp sensor today and it didnt work
i connected the two wires b8 b11 to the sensor from the gauge cluster. is there suppose to be voltage coming from one of the wires? one wire goes to ground. anyone do this yet and have it work?

Well - the temperature sensor is almost certainly a thermocouple - there will be a voltage drop across the two wires which is proportional to the ambient temperature.

Originally posted by ButtDyno
this thread.. worthless.. without.. pics? :D

-bd

aren't there pics and even movies somewhere in the thread?
i know i downloaded those movies from somewhere on nasioc...

bump...any word on the dimming issue and the temp sensor?

My cluster arives next week... I will join in the banter as soon as I figure these things out. - or get frustrated. Most likely the latter.

Originally posted by MaXx_BoOsT
bump...any word on the dimming issue and the temp sensor?

my car is going up for the winter and i am buying this cluster. i will then have time to play with the temp sensor, i want that thing working, it would be a nice addition.

so i am really no help right now... BUT SOON!! :lol:

Good luck with the temp sensor. I have tried to get this working on a JDM cluster without success. One thing that makes it a pain is that apparently the sensor is not function until the car has moved about 1/4 of a mile. So it is try a tweak, dive, try again....it gets old fast. If you do get it going, please don't forget about us!;)

Wow I never thought my original post would generate so much intrest..... I have since sold the 04 cluster for a variety of reasons and got a 03 JDM STi cluster installed that requires no rewiring to make work.....Only have the pesky outside temp guage to make work.....
I wish everyone who has gotten the 04 STi cluster luck in making all the functions work and ask you keep the others updated on your progress......

still no pics of the guages with the hvac/radio in the shot to judge the x-mas effect?

commoooonnn...one quick picture is all i ask :)

adiliyo i sent you a pic a while back....

Originally posted by SilverBoosted
Wow I never thought my original post would generate so much intrest..... I have since sold the 04 cluster for a variety of reasons and got a 03 JDM STi cluster installed that requires no rewiring to make work.....Only have the pesky outside temp guage to make work.....
I wish everyone who has gotten the 04 STi cluster luck in making all the functions work and ask you keep the others updated on your progress......

Hmm, does that have the tach in the middle as well? Cause that's the main thing I am interested in...

(I hope I am not being presumptous by assuming this will work on a '03 TS)

Yep it has the tach in the middle with shift light and buzzer. It also has a outside temp gauge which no one has figured out how to set it up yet. The speed is in kilometers so for the US, it needs to be converted to MPH which you can do with a circuit board. The only thing it does not have is a security light for the factory alarm system. I don't know if it will work on a TS

should plug right in to a TS... As for kph all you need to know is 60kph=30mph and 100kph=62mph.... keep it below 60 on residential areas and below 100kph on the hwy when popo is around and you should be ok.........:banana:

Originally posted by SilverBoosted
should plug right in to a TS... As for kph all you need to know is 60kph=30mph and 100kph=62mph.... keep it below 60 on residential areas and below 100kph on the hwy when popo is around and you should be ok.........:banana:

I was gonna go JDM, but the thing that bugged me was the odometer. I can roll just fine converting kph to mph while driving, but I'd prob be retarded and change my oil twice as often. Sometimes I'm just not too bright. :huh:




stoopid tracking number... it just taunts you while your cluster is sitting in some UPS warehouse, not going anywhere. maybe I should check again...

i love tracking numbers, but sometimes it's just torture...also when it says.."in transit" and it just says that for like 3 days and then all of a sudden it's out for delivery...what good was the tracking number? :p

silverboosted...where did you send the pictures to? i get so much spam nowdays i delete large sums of mail with just glances at what they are...if it's not too much trouble.....could you pleeeaassee send it again to adiliyo@charter.net? :rolleyes: (those are supposed to be like kid's eyes when they ask parents for stuff)

I will check to see if I still have it. I will resend it..........

so is the JDM version less of a hassle? i can get my hands on this as well, but not sure which is the better bet.

thanks!, if you don't that's okay

does the jdm one do the sweep? and are the guages (sp?) red or green?

Slapped that puppy right in. Looks sweet! "Thank you," to the pioneers out there with the info on cutting the wires. Install took me under 20 minutes.

I assume the dimming issue has not been resolved by anyone. Does anyone out there have the adjustment knob for the shift light installed on their cluster? The reason I ask is, I noticed under the trip odometer functions you can get to a screen that says ILL.5 or ILL.S. I was assuming 5 (five) as in the level of ILLumination. Is this adjustable with the shift light adjuster I don't have? Also... didn't notice a buzzer when my shift light goes off. Anyone have any STi directions lying around?

Now I gotta move that damn boost gauge!

No sweep function on the 03< JDM clusters..... The shift light knob controlls both rpm range and buzzer activation on the cluster........

maybe someone with an STi can solve the dimming issue..(or someone who has played with all the buttons and switches in one...) the thing about the jdm cluster's that bother me, is that they redline for them is at 8k (it is, right?) while our car's redline at 7k...so it looks a bit off, and i guess you'd have to keep track so you don't hit the rev-limiter (there is one right? i've never taken it up too close to redline yet)

Originally posted by Adiliyo
(there is one right? i've never taken it up too close to redline yet)
There definitely is one. You'll know it when you find it :)

-bd

Rev limiter is not IN the gauge cluster, so don't worry... you won't blow up your car.

Damn these things are bright at night! Honestly, it doesn't really bug me... what bugs me is my climate controls seem too dark now.

Here was a question I was gonna ask before it was allready answered for me... what boost/oil press/etc. gauges to buy to match... here they are, for you anal-retentive freaks like me.

http://www.j-spectuning.com/omori_rr.htm

Hey, is there a low fuel light? I don't see one?

why are all the STi look guages so big? i don't want 60mm guages, too distracting for my taste. i didn't think the rev limiter would be in the cluster (that could lead to many disaters, but i'm more concerned of bouncing off the limiter since at night you'll see the redline 1k higher in your peripheral vision, has this happened much with anyone with the jdm cluster?

oh and is the ligting red in the jdm's? (the lighting is one of the main reasons i want it! :D )

Yes, *but where to buy?????!*

My Scoob dealer wants $600!

irvine subaru was (and i think still is..) selling them for a bit under 500, (then at bezel and what not it still comes out under 600..when i have enough money i'm probably going to go get it from them (being able to pick it up helps too) :)

yep - used to live in area. Purchased mine from thousand Oaks Subaru. got a great deal! Short throw shifter included Free of Charge!

Saving my money.

Hot out there today. Very hot. I was expecting my non-functional STi temp gauge to display it's usual 42degrees, yet it went up! Registered 60 at one point, then 53 later. What the hell? Of course these are incorrect readings, it was closer to 90 out. Still, confused about this change in reading when I haven't done anything yet to make the temp gauge work.

Found out about the ILL.5 thing I brought up a few posts back. In a STi, as you use your dimmer on your turn signal stalk, it registers what level you are at... 1 through 5, then returns to the last Trip function you left it on. Clever.

Originally posted by rlavalle
The rheostat on the turn signal is wired into the center electrical plug on the instrument cluster.

Here's the electrical diagram for the rheostat:
http://idisk.mac.com/rlavalle/public/photos/rheostat.jpg

And here's one of the plug:
http://idisk.mac.com/rlavalle/public/photos/inst_dimmer_plug.jpg

Change your dash panel illumination level on the turn signal to see if it's already hooked up!

Russ

hmm, B20, B22, B23.... BINGO!

so does this mean you've solved the dimming issue? (that all made little to no sense to me :p )

Sorry, no. Ever play bingo?

Seriously, I'm working on it. It's been so hot around here, and without a nice air-conditioned garage, I haven't been spending too much time screwing around in my car. Dusted off the ol' ammeter, and I'm in the process of grabbing scematics for both my 02 WRX and the 04 STi. My biggest concern is fixing it with the cluster, and screwing up the rest of the car, but we'll see.

anyone got any WRX schematics to compare with the post above?

http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/illumination.jpg

The wiring schematic PDF's can be found in that directory as well if you want to download them.

http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/

Interesting. Particularly 'clusterwiring.jpg' Tearing apart the dash now to check out A6,A8,A9 on the harness to B20,B22,B23,B24 on the cluster... still, this vexes me. According to the little spreadsheet my turn signals, CEL, tach, h2o temp, fuel, speedo.... shouldn't work. So, I'm not having too much faith in this even though this is a great setup.

That was an old picture. I noticed later that Subaru switched the designations between connector 'C' and 'A'. That picture will be deleted.

I will love to do this mod...my dash is very plain :D ...have you 2000vfr have you figured out how to get the dimmer to work yet?

If I remember correctly everything else worked out fine...except the dimmer and the temp which needed a sensor, but I noticed silver boosted sold his 2004 cluster and picked up a version 7 JDM cluster so I was not sure if this mod was worth it:confused:

Thanks for keeping this thread up-dated.

My car is indisposed of right now so I haven't been able to work on it lately. It will be a month or so before I'll be able to.

I bought Silver Boosted Cluster from him, Works and looks great! I still haven't bought a temp sensor to see if I can get it to work. Worth every penny!

I am glad to here that...I was curious to know if there were any quirks to the install before making such a purchase. Thanks Kilalee

:D

if anybody else is selling their 04 sti gauge cluster please let me know i'll buy it from you.

This thread.. worthless.. pics.. at night..

If you're anywhere near VA I'll drive over and take em for ya :)

-bd

just out of curiosity (and since i'm thinking of getting a GC8) would the new cluster fit in them? i'm guessing no, but i haven't gotten a good look at the interiors of the older impreza's yet, so i can't say for sure... anyone know? if not the new one, which one does fit? (i really like the center tach) :D

I can practically guarentee it wouldn't work or would be a serious electrical job / hacking dash plastic to fit it..


just out of curiosity (and since i'm thinking of getting a GC8) would the new cluster fit in them? i'm guessing no, but i haven't gotten a good look at the interiors of the older impreza's yet, so i can't say for sure... anyone know? if not the new one, which one does fit? (i really like the center tach)

i figured as much...:(
oh well, but i'm guessing the older ones would fit wouldn't they?

Originally posted by ButtDyno
This thread.. worthless.. pics.. at night..

If you're anywhere near VA I'll drive over and take em for ya :)

-bd

Not to be pissy, but 'worthless'? Do you ppl actually READ the thread? Screw the pics... watch a movie... Page 5 I think...
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Originally posted by 2000vfr800
OK...I updated the pictures with pin numbers. Can somebody with WRX schematics verify? Page WI-56?

Summary.

You must cut the temperature sensor wires or you'll blow the radio fuse.

You must buy the STi bezel. The stock WRX bezel covers the turn signals with incorrect overlays. Instead of the turn signal arrows, you get a flashing "HOLD" for the left turn signal, and nothing for the right. See the video below.

I will try to figure out the illumination dimming tomorrow. Hopefully it will be as easy as moving one pin. But, it might require adding some pins and wires to the harnesses. I also want to work on the indicators that are illuminated. But, that is all icing in my opinion.

Here are some videos:

Here is the cluster turning on with the STi bezel (http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/sticlusteron.avi)
Here are the turn signals working with the STi bezel (http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/stiturnsignals.avi)
Here is the cluster turning on with the WRX bezel (http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/wrxbezelon.avi)
Here are the turn signals working (well...not working) with the WRX bezel (http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/wrxbezelturnsignals.avi)

To be continued...

the movies are good, just wish i hadn't deleted the pics of the cluster + HVAC/Radio in it that silverboosted said he mailed me.. :(
oh well, once i get enough money....i'll know :)

Originally posted by boneriffic
Not to be pissy, but 'worthless'? Do you ppl actually READ the thread? Screw the pics... watch a movie... Page 5 I think...
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Long running joke... "this thread is worthless without pics"... there are even little icons devoted to this very phrase...

I'm just curious what it looks like at night, next to the green HVAC of the 02-03 (04??) WRX, that's all :)

-bd

dude go to radio "crack" and buy those little tiny rubbers for your bulbs.

translation before someone get sfresh...go to radio shack and purchase the rubber caps for the light bulbs to change your dash color to red.

they are similar to what autometter gives you in their guage kits, but smaller.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the odo screen green still? Why would Suburu do that? CHRIS......

You're wrong...

Clearly red (http://www.freebmw.net/don/sticluster/sticlusteron.avi)

yeap it is for sure red. can't wait to get my own so i can figure out the dimming and temp problems.

a word of warning for those of you without the 04 STi cluster...

This cluster will ruin your gas mileage! I recently finished my first tank of gas with the cluster installed and calculated 16 miles per gallon!!!:eek:

I took it to the dealer, and they were no help, mumbling something about idiots, modified cars, and warrantees. Bastards!

More testing was necessary! I checked tire pressure, filters and fluids... took it to an private shop as well. Still no luck. Finally the cause was reveiled to me by a passenger of mine.

I seem to have an uncontrolable urge to bang the redline and see the shifty light. Oh bright red :mad: shifty light, I love you so. It talks to me. Reminds me of the HAL9000 or Knight Rider's KITT. It says, "slow down dammit, you're still in the driveway!"

:banana:

:lol: after reading the first line i was like...whaaa? how can that be...
then after reading the whole thing...i laughed

if you get the extra knob so you can adjust the warning buzzer/light rpm, then you could set it at like 4k or something and see it w/o ruining your milage :)

I seem to have an uncontrolable urge to bang the redline and see the shifty light. Oh bright red shifty light, I love you so. It talks to me. Reminds me of the HAL9000 or Knight Rider's KITT. It says, "slow down dammit, you're still in the driveway!"

That is too funny:lol:

Does anybody know where i can get one of these sweeet clusters??? I called Irvine and they said it's on backorder for 6-8 weeks. I called Thousad Oaks Subaru and they don't sell parts out of state ( I live in IL). Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.

good question, other than irvine subaru, i wouldn't know though..sorry:(

Try AllSubaru.com (http://www.allsubaru.com), or 1stSubaruparts.com (http://www.1stsubaruparts.com).

I found one at allsubaru.com. I called them and they had one in a warehouse somewhere. I should have it in about a week. Can't wait. Thanks.

how much did they charge you?

$450 for the cluster and $50 for the cluster surround piece (bezel sp?)

do you think you could wire the temp gauge on the clust to read inside temp instead of outside?

Yea...just put the sensor (not included) inside the car inside of outside.

then you'd have a manual climate control system :p

I REALLY want the temp gauge to work. Really I do. I just can't get the inspiration to mess with it. 1 afternoon with an ammeter and some questionable schematics and I wish I paid more attention in school. It's all do-able, I'm sure of it... I'm just out of patience. I think I'll just rip it out and cram the clock there.

hey i never thought of that...would be a good place esp if you have the boost/temp/volt guages where the clock goes....hmm :)

Does anyone know if this cluster will be PnP for the 02 2.5 RS as it is for the 02 WRX. The difference being a 1000 rpm lower tach. I'm assuming it would just be capable of reading higher, and not inaccurate, am i correct?

i would think it should be okay rev wise...since the older (i donno about the new ones) STi clusters were redlined @ 8K (right?) you'll just bounce off the rev limiter anyways, so if i am wrong someone let me know :)

Any updates on the dimmer and temp sensor issues?

As far as I know, there are no temperature sensor issues. If you want to read the outside temperature, buy the sensor, run the wires to the gauge, and connect it in.

Dimming is still an issue which I won't get to until the winter.

according to part number given in thread.

http://www.subaruparts.com/cart/?pn=85021FE050&submit.x=5&submit.y=3

$482

shippin $48:rolleyes:

SilverBoosted this is a huge thread, so can some one bring me up to date on what happened and if there is a write up yet.

Just a quick update: You do not need to cut both B27 and B28. B27 is a black wire, and B28 is a yellow one. The problem is that on the STI cluster, B27 and B28 are shorted together, and supposed to be grounded.

If you only cut B28 (the yellow one), you eliminate the blowing fuse issue, and keep the proper ground to that secondary illumination circuit.

SUMMARY: To install the STI cluster in your WRX, assuming you have the cluster and proper bezzel, you only need to cut one single wire. It is plug and play, works great.

Jeff

(As a side note, I found NO reference anywhere in the US 2002 WRX wireing guide to pins B27 and B28. Unusual that they are rans as a power and ground in the older cars, and then used as a double ground later.... Well, actually that isn't unusual. Subaru has done this before with the UK/AUS ecus, where there were 4 pins swapped just to make it not plug and play. I suspect the same thing here.)

Jeff

Anyone have the part number for the temp sensor?