And I am mostly interested in seeing what different people around here have done to mod them in the power department.

I am looking to uncork the EJ22-T and will eventually get new heads for it. But in the short term, I am looking for bolt on mods to let it breath the best and get the most HP off the stock ECU. I am open to a little electronics like an AFC, but don't really want to get into stand alone or anything that major early on.

I am really looking for what headers, up-pipe, down pipe, turbo, IC. etc I can source from other Subaru models or vendors to get this thing into the 200's at the crank.

I am pretty familiar with what I can do to other areas like suspension and handling, so want to focus more on power mods, but feel free to list your complete set up if you feel like sharing:D

Lastly, even though I know it will curse me to an auto in the short term, I am shopping for wagons specifically...:cool:

If you buy a legacy turbo then you won't have to worry about an uppipe as it is kittlyless from the factory. You can use any wrx down pipe. For some reason the turbo legacys dudes like the hks one, probably because it's cheap.
200 @ the crank will mean: upped boost 11.5 psi-added intercooler ( not a 100% necessary but nice to have) free flowing muffler-catless down pipe (again not a 100% necessary but will put an end to boost lag).
Free things would include gutting your other cats, doing the air box cut for more flow.
Brent

Upgrade Turbo-back
Intercooler
Raise boost to 13 psi (fuel cut)

This should get you around 200-210

Fuel Pump
Injectors
Ignition
more boost
AFC

~250 hp

Larger Turbo

~300 hp

past 350 hp I'd look into standalone ECU's along with a stronger tranny, and better internals.

Suspension wise 2.5 RS springs bolt in, along with aftermarket springs for the Legacy and GC8. STi has springs for the Legacy Turbo as well.

Mark,

Thanks guys,

That is kind of the route I figured, but I wanted some comfirmation. Long term I will switch out to an EJ25 head and stand alone engine management, but this project will be a slow boat build. It will also get a 5mt or 5EAT down the road as well. Basically it will become my daily driver...

That MY00 RS listed in my signature is being transitioned to race only duty, and a number of the street parts, like the springs/v5 inverted struts, seats, etc. will all eventually make their way to the Legacy. So, the bulk of the money is going to the RS(waiting on Cobb heads right now:D ).

So, my functional question on all of this is what needs to be done to up the boost to 13?(outside of uncorking the exhaust and the intake)

And I was kind of looking for specifics, like if I take my Stromung cat back off the RS for a larger diameter exahaust is it a direct swap to the BF Legacy?(I know, not a 300+hp fix, but at 200+ it should flow enough) I know the chassis of GF's and BF's are the same, but are the mount points the same? I guess that is really what I was getting at in the opening post...

All you need to raise the boost over stock is a manual boost controller or electronic. they do the same thing, but the electronic ones are fancier, they build and hold boost a little better. Past 13 psi you'll need a fuel cut defender to bypass stock fuel cut. I believe the mounting points for the exhaust is very similar between the two, however the midpipe on the Legacy is a little longer and so is the muffler.

Mark,

If you haven't already joined us, come on over...

http://bbs.legacycentral.org

-Brian

Thanks guys,
Too bad the Stromung isn't a straight swap, but I can get around that. I thought a boost controller was all that was required, but being a hard core NA guy, I wanted to make sure I did it right, once!
As for LegacyCentral, I will have to sign up. I've been lurking but not logged in. eastbay, where do you live. I'm a Cali guy. Grew up in Foster City and Oakland, and lived in Berzerekely for 12 years before moving to CO...

Matt, I have a very nice small 16G Mitsu turbo off of an STi from Australia laying around. It has the IHI flanges (even though its a Mitsu turbo) and the same 90 degree intake bend on the compressor outlet. It will bolt up to any of the same configurations used by the Legacy RHB5 turbo. It only has 10,000 miles on it too!

$300


Graham

I grew up in Oakland, and went to college in Boulder, CO. I was in CO from Fall '96 'till August 2001.

-Brian

I've just done an Amsoil TS-74 air filer, ATM 10w-30 oil and synth gear lube.

this looks good:

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31869&item=2440262079

and local ;)

Originally posted by subarurabbit
I've just done an Amsoil TS-74 air filer, ATM 10w-30 oil and synth gear lube.

this looks good:

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31869&item=2440262079

and local ;)

:banana: Thanks dude. I haven't checked the E-bay ads in a few days. I will have to contact this guy asap. If it is as nice as he says, it is worth his buy it now price...

i miss my 92. best car ever. but the motor is now in my 95
;)

Originally posted by subiekid
i miss my 92. best car ever. but the motor is now in my 95
;)
It was you posting pics the other night wasn't it??? in that other thread down the page??? I can't wait to get my hands on a Legacy turbo and become one of the few with the super super sleepers!!!:banana:

Originally posted by Matt Monson
So, my functional question on all of this is what needs to be done to up the boost to 13?(outside of uncorking the exhaust and the intake)



get some sort of intercooler if you bump the boost up....might not be completely necessary, but better to be safe. :)

legacy central has alot of info

Graham- pics of turbo? PM me

there is a 92 turbo wagon in everett WA for 1500, with only 61,000 miles. the exterior isnt in the greatest shape but no major damage.

but take a look in any case here (http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=14121) the price I'm asking is flexible.

Originally posted by Fernely
but take a look in any case here (http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=14121) the price I'm asking is flexible.

Sorry mate,
Sedans are a dime a dozen here in Boulder. I see 2-3 a week change hands for $2500 or less. Sounds like a nice set up, though. I am sure you will find a good home for it. As for me, it must be a wagon since I've already got a sedan...

Originally posted by Matt Monson
Sorry mate,
Sedans are a dime a dozen here in Boulder. I see 2-3 a week change hands for $2500 or less. Sounds like a nice set up, though. I am sure you will find a good home for it. As for me, it must be a wagon since I've already got a sedan...

you think you coudl find me one? i am looking for the 92 to 94 body style in white with an A/T.

west cost is what i want. might just have to ship up form miami.:(

Subiekid,
I'll keep my eyes open. Even though they are cheap, they go pretty quickly. I think the word is getting out about the block and they are getting snatched up just for the engine. Flat4Engineering is local here, and I know they have done some Legacy builds and some RS-T's w/EJ22 blocks. It is only a matter of time until more of the WRX guys find out and price and demand goes way way up...:(

How much would you pay for a 1994 5 speed with only 97k miles (originally from Silverthorne, CO)?

Jim

Subiekid,
I think he's talking to you...;) unless that car immaculately has become a 5 speed wagon and then I'm on my way to the airport to fly to Houston...:D

Jim,
around here that would go for $4000+/- depending on interior and exterior condition. I saw a '92 5MT sedan w/124K mi go for $2600 last week. It was on the market only 4 days at that price.

Matt -

We should hook up. I live in Lafayette & just picked up a white 93 Touring Wagon with ~106K. I paid too much, but I've been looking for one for a while, so... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Diz
Matt -

We should hook up. I live in Lafayette & just picked up a white 93 Touring Wagon with ~106K. I paid too much, but I've been looking for one for a while, so... :rolleyes:

Ah, you bought the one at Fisher, on Sunday night maybe???:D

Originally posted by Jarvis
How much would you pay for a 1994 5 speed with only 97k miles (originally from Silverthorne, CO)?

Jim

i want an A/T

i have an ej22t in my 95 and need an A/T for daily driving.

R.I.P. 1992 subaru legacy turbo sedan - white -118k miles - enki rims --gosh i hate old men who run stop lights/:mad:

Ah, you bought the one at Fisher, on Sunday night maybe???

Yep. That's the one. I needed to dump my truck, so I traded it in on the wagon. The wagon is in awesome condition, but it still needs a few things. (struts, front crank seal, yadda, yadda)

I can do some of the stuff myself & have a friend of mine who is a mechanic do the other stuff while I shoulder surf & learn. :)

Originally posted by Diz
Yep. That's the one. I needed to dump my truck, so I traded it in on the wagon. The wagon is in awesome condition, but it still needs a few things. (struts, front crank seal, yadda, yadda)

I can do some of the stuff myself & have a friend of mine who is a mechanic do the other stuff while I shoulder surf & learn. :)

Yeah, I passed on it because of those issues and the way above market value price. I figured if it was still there in 2 weeks, I was going to go in and offer like $4000. Obivously it only lasted one week. Take a good look at the rear diff when you guys start fixing it. It looked like it might be leaking, but I couldn't tell for sure if it was fluid or just the muck on it they hadn't cleaned up...

We should hook up in the coming weeks. I would be happy to be another set of hands some Saturday. It has been nearly 2 years since I've been in a position to wrench because of my living situation. The next goal after getting the Legacy is to get a new place with a garage or driveway. Having two cars that are "works in progress" really requires not paying for labour. Apt. living bites...

Apt. living bites...

Definately. I couldn't live without my garage & airtools. :) Thanks for the heads up on the diff. I'll make sure we take a look at it. It looked pretty good to me, though.

-p

Air tools. And an STi and a Legacy Turbo project. I am sooo jealous. You don't work in Gun Barrel do you? If so I think I've seen your STi around...

Nope. I work in Boulder. Our office is right across the street from the Boulder Brewery. ( I lead a charmed life. :) )

We're moving this week to a location close to where the Jose Muldoon's was on Arapahoe.

I won the E-bay auction. I am now the proud owner of a single owner 1994 Legacy Turbo wagon with 90k mi on it.

Teague,
I never got that in the mail to you, but I will send you a little something for your troubles...:cool: I was unemployed last spring and I know it can be tough...

Congrats!

Jim

Congrats, Matt. Now we definately need to get together & compare notes.

You'll love the wagon. My truck was doggedly reliable, but some days I used to dread driving it. No so with the Legacy.

Diz,
We should definitely hook up. I will be picking it up in Colorado Springs on Satruday. Sometime in the next few weeks it would be cool to get together and chat about future plans for our identical vehicles.:banana: :disco: :banana: :disco:

Get a room you two!:lol:

-Brian

I'll let that slide since you have an old school turbo and a low member #. :D

Diz,
He doesn't have a low member number. You and I have low member #'s.:D But I'll let it slide because he's from my old hood...:cool:

Thanks G! Yeah, I was in Boulder for 5 years. I've had my Legacy since '96, right before heading to school. You guys definitely have low member numbers, I'll give ya that:D I was just joking around anyways. Matt, what color is your Legacy wagon? My wife's got a BRP '00 RS sedan as well, so our stables are looking pretty similar:eek: :banana:

-Brian

My RS is a MY00 BRP Sedan and my Legacy is White with Outback trim painting added after the fact. If you click the E-bay link on page 1 of this thread the pic is still up on E-bay. I was unsure at first, but it looks way better in real life. I am going to try and get some pics up in the next week or so showing it better. And I will be putting my GF's stock WRX 16's on it in the next month or so, so the wheels will look better too...

Nice! I've got '00 RS wheels on my Legacy. I'll have to get updates pictures sometime. I had WRX rims on there for a few months, but I found someone local selling the RS rims and I jumped on it. IMHO they look much better. I saw your new Legacy on eBay while it was listed. It's wierd with the Outback paint scheme, but I'm sure it looks much better in person. Definitely get some pics up once you get the new shoes on it.

-Brian

Nice! I've got '00 RS wheels on my Legacy.

I bet those look awesome. I know someone around here that has a couple sets of gold 98 RS rims. I may give those a shot. My wagon is white, so I think it will look pretty good. Ideally, I would love to find a set of 99 RS rims.

Diz,
IIRC those gold wheels will be 6.5" while the 99's will be 7". More desirable if you want to get four pots on there down the road...My WRX wheels will be 6.5", but I'll live with it since they are free and the rubber (crappy RE92's) only has 5K mi on it and will see me through the winter.

:mad: Took the Legacy in today for 90k Mi maintenance and general inspection. Also flushing radiator, tranny and switching to synthetic fluids. But the left valve cover gasket leaks, cam gaskets on both sides leak, and power steering pump leaks. I'm having them do the valve cover and leaving the rest since EJ20 heads are less than 6 months away...
Anybody got a spare steering pump lying around? They want $250 for the rebuild, and I figure I can just replace it myself with a used one for much cheaper...

That sucks about all the leaking. I hope you get everything squared away:(.

All of the RS rims were 7" wide, that includes the gold 98's. The 99's are the same rim as the '98, but in silver. If I could choose any rim it'd be the '98 as I'm not a fan of gold rims, but love that 5 spoke style. The white on gold looks fairly good though:). I'll have to take some pics later today and show you guys what she looks like.

-Brian

I have 99 rs rims on my 94 ss, and i think it looks sweet. we put the 94 ss rims on our obs, and it looks better with them then the legacy did. both cars are wearing fresh re92's, but the legacy will get new sneakers in the summer. my wife has my legacy today, but ill shoot some pics tommorow for ya all.

I'm not too worried about the leaking for the reasons mentioned. But it is like a different car with new plugs, air filter and a tranny flush. I had to have my GF go for a ride with me to make sure my butt dyno wasn't miscalibrated.:D

My IC should arrive tommorow and I can start fiddling with the custom design of it. I am also probably going to order the MBC, boost gauge and a downpipe manana as well. I can't wait to start modding my sleeper. :banana: :disco: :banana: :disco: :cool:

Cool. I teed in my guage already. I'm sure you saw the thread on the legacy BBS. Needless to say, I'm pretty happy with 10-11psi. There's a Blitz EBC sitting in my garage that I MAY install. The car is to be my ski-mobile, so modding will wait until spring in case I blow anything up. :D

Diz,
I didn't see it, but I haven't had much time to read the last few days. Are you getting 10-11psi without the BC??? I thought stock was in the 8's? Where did you tee it in? Is this manifold pressure?

I teed into the hose that comes off the intake manifold. Check out the legacy BBS for details. Needless to say, I was surprised to see 10-11psi.

I'll say. I nice surprise.

:banana: My IC got delivered while I was at lunch.:disco:

We just recently picked up a 91 5 speed for my wife. The car is very highly modified.

The heads have a completel multi-angle valve porting job on them, it is running a TD04 from a WRX, version 2 WRX intercooler, and a scoobysport downpipe, STI version 5 5 speed trannsmission and 4.44 rear end. Running 12 psi the car will scoot. However, having said this, I probably would have gone a slightly different route with it than the previous owner. The 16g is a direct bolt on whereas there were some modifications that had to be made to the intake system to utilize the TD04. The former owner had replaced the exhaust from the downpipe back with a standard bend system. I probably would have picked up an axle back off a WRX (or aftermarket for a WRX) which was mandrel bent, and then simply had the midpipe replaced with the non mandrel bent piping. Unfortunately, as I discovered this weekend when I tried to replace the rusted out system with my stock WRX exhaust, the midpipe on the Legacy is about 6 inches longer than on a WRX. So right now the legacy really screams as the only exhaust it has is the downpipe. :lol: I really need to find a Legacy Turbo midpipe, or take mine to an exhaust shop and get it lengthened.

Templar -

That thing sounds like a screamer. I bet your neighbors love the "uncorked boxer" sound. ;)

Anyway, regarding this statement:

The 16g is a direct bolt on

I didn't realize the 16g was a direct bolt on. Does it have the funky elbow on the inlent side like the VF-11, or do you have to ditch the stock intake plumbing?

It's not a "direct" bolt on. I think a bit has to be done to the intake plumbing as you mentioned Diz. Check LegacyCentral for a definitive answer though:D

-Brian

Actually it all depends on what version of 16g(they are the same as a TD05) you are dealing with. They were used as the stock turbo on some of the early WRX's and had the same inlet bend we have on the Legacy. But as you no doubt know, there are multiple versions of every turbo and unless it came off an old WRX it will be unlikely to have the bend. My understanding, however, is that some early 1G DSM's used the 16g w/the inlet bend as well and if you are willing to do some junkyard searching you might find one. I think Graham may have mentioned one FS earlier in this tread, in fact.

As for the mid-pipe...You will need to get it lengthened to work with that muffler...

the inlet is the same, but the outlet is not, and you definitely need an intercooler with the TD05H-16G :)

outlet is at 90° while the VF11 outlet is at 45°

Also, a lot of hoses / ports on the TD05 are different from the VF11.. so, yeah the TD05 bolts on the up-pipe and downpipe, but there is a lot of plumbing to do.

Pics of the 2 turbos side by side :
http://public.fotki.com/morgie/morgie/obs/prep_moteur/vf11_vs_td05-16g/

For infos, TD05-16G was used on 1993 to 1996 WRX and STI V1 & V2. It was replaced by the TD04-13g in 1997 on the WRX. The STI had some IHI turbos.

TD05 have different exaust flanges if you take one from a DSM.

Morgie,
Thanks for the clarification and pics. I guess those were taken before you had cleaned up your new toy?;) It looks much prettier in the pic you posted on Legacy Central...

hehe nope the one on the pics is not mine ;)

it's the one that where on the "beleived to be a STI V2" engine :)


I'll go get my old VF11 and take some more precise pictures to compare both.

ok the pics at my url are updated.

click the "get original uploaded photo" (just under the photo) to see the high-res version of the picture

Thanks...I still want one...:furious:

i just bought my friends '93 legacy turbo AWD sedan. wow! love it. it has 15 inch rims, sunroof and lots of options. i don't want to go nuts with mods, however i am interested in an intercooler. is there room in there, etc? would it be worth it? i am in new mexico and in summer the temps are 100 deg or more sometimes. i switched to mobil one oil but for some reason, there was no mobil one filter listed.....this cant be right? anyone know the part number if there is such a filter....thanks.

Just use the stock subaru oil filter.
As for the intercooler, there are a couple ways to go. You can get a Saab 900 IC and do a custom. You can get a bigger hoodscoop and move the AC line and put a USDM WRX IC in there. You can get a 93-96 WRX IC, or you can get a Subaru factory water cooled IC in there( from an Australian source like MRT.)
Come on over the legacy central. http://bbs.legacycentral.org/index.php
This is the best resource for all your Legacy specific questions. Legacies are treated as the bastard step child of Impreza around here. Don't they know whos your daddy?:D