Update 3/27/05

The downpipe is on my car, the before and after dyno is done, and even I can't get over the crazy results(there're damn good). We're calling the fabricator on Monday to have the first run done. In an effort to get the first batch out door asap, the first run will not be ceramic coated. We'll lower the price on this run for an even sweeter deal. I'll have dyno results posted once I get them off the laptop. Once I have the dyno results online I'll open a pre-order group-buy. I know there are a few of you that have been waiting quite a while. Thanks for hanging in there.

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp_med.jpg http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp_installed_med.jpg

Rich


Update 3/27/05

The downpipe is on my car, the before and after dyno is done, and even I can't get over the crazy results(there're damn good). We're calling the fabricator on Monday to have the first run done. In an effort to get the first batch out door asap, the first run will not be ceramic coated. We'll lower the price on this run for an even sweeter deal. I'll have dyno results posted once I get them off the laptop. Once I have the dyno results online I'll open a pre-order group-buy. I know there are a few of you that have been waiting quite a while. Thanks for hanging in there.

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp_med.jpg http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp_installed_med.jpg




This Road Dyno run with catless DP, 3CE, CCIP, ScoobySport axleback, and pre-release MadDad(TM) EcuTek remap.
Dyno Test: mdb3
===============

Maximum Wheel Power: 205.1 BHP @ 6351 RPM
Maximum Wheel Torque: 210.7 LbFt @ 3649 RPM
Power to weight ratio: 126.1 BHP per ton

Terminal velocity due to power: 161.4 mph

In Gear Acceleration:
30 - 50mph = 2.3 seconds
40 - 60mph = 2.5 seconds

Speed per 1000 RPM:
1st: 5.3 mph
2nd: 9.4 mph
3rd: 13.4 mph
4th: 18.9 mph
5th: 24.9 mph

Maximum Speed per Gear:
1st: 37.7 mph
2nd: 67.0 mph
3rd: 95.4 mph
4th: 134.1 mph
5th: 176.7 mph

Total Vehicle Mass: 1626kg
Drag Co-efficient: 0.37
Frontal Area: 2.20 square metres
Wheel/Tyre Setup: 205/50/16
Engine Rev Limit: 7100
Test gear: 2
Max Speed of gear: 67 mph
Air Intake Temp: 23 °C
Atmospheric Pressure: 1.01 bar

With MadDad(TM) 3" DP w/cat, all else the same(less 2yr old passenger, that's the weight difference). Same day mid afternoon
Dyno Test: mdb3wcat
===================

Maximum Wheel Power: 198.3 BHP @ 6087 RPM
Maximum Wheel Torque: 212.0 LbFt @ 4463 RPM
Power to weight ratio: 122.8 BHP per ton

Terminal velocity due to power: 159.6 mph

In Gear Acceleration:
30 - 50mph = 2.3 seconds
40 - 60mph = 2.5 seconds

Speed per 1000 RPM:
1st: 5.3 mph
2nd: 9.4 mph
3rd: 13.4 mph
4th: 18.9 mph
5th: 24.9 mph

Maximum Speed per Gear:
1st: 37.7 mph
2nd: 67.0 mph
3rd: 95.4 mph
4th: 134.1 mph
5th: 176.7 mph

Total Vehicle Mass: 1615kg
Drag Co-efficient: 0.37
Frontal Area: 2.20 square metres
Wheel/Tyre Setup: 205/50/16
Engine Rev Limit: 7100
Test gear: 2
Max Speed of gear: 67 mph
Air Intake Temp: 25 °C
Atmospheric Pressure: 1.01 bar



2nd run with MadDad(TM) downpipe. First run was done after the car was sitting idle for serveral minutes while setting up the laptop. This run was done after driving around around to cool things down a bit. Again, same day, several minutes later, same road(same highway on ramp, very repeatable). These are crazy results. The bottom line is the car pulls hard. We are going to bring to the local AWD at KTR Performance to see what she does on there dyno. Also keep in mind these are 2nd gear runs. 3rd gear should put out even more hp/torque. Note that the intake temp on this run is a few degrees C cooler. It was the same intake temp as the run with the catless dp.
Dyno Test: mdb3wcat2ndrun
=========================

Maximum Wheel Power: 211.3 BHP @ 6331 RPM
Maximum Wheel Torque: 209.2 LbFt @ 3988 RPM
Power to weight ratio: 130.8 BHP per ton

Terminal velocity due to power: 163.0 mph

In Gear Acceleration:
30 - 50mph = 2.3 seconds
40 - 60mph = 2.4 seconds

Speed per 1000 RPM:
1st: 5.3 mph
2nd: 9.4 mph
3rd: 13.4 mph
4th: 18.9 mph
5th: 24.9 mph

Maximum Speed per Gear:
1st: 37.7 mph
2nd: 67.0 mph
3rd: 95.4 mph
4th: 134.1 mph
5th: 176.7 mph

Total Vehicle Mass: 1615kg
Drag Co-efficient: 0.37
Frontal Area: 2.20 square metres
Wheel/Tyre Setup: 205/50/16
Engine Rev Limit: 7100
Test gear: 2
Max Speed of gear: 67 mph
Air Intake Temp: 23 °C
Atmospheric Pressure: 1.01 bar


The car is strong. The downpipe doesn't give the same tweeting(if that's a word) sound as the catless setup. It quieter. It's only been an afternoon but the car feels just as strong and I'm very happy with the initial results. We'll see how things fair once the ECU does some more learing. I'll post any other differences I see after some datalogging. Happy day !

- Rich

Updated 12/25
Ceramic coated center/rear pipes arrived Christmas eve and they look fantastic. We'll be posting some pics later this evening showing the major differences between our pipe and other popular center/rear's. We're also backing it with the a 14 day money back guarantee as we have done with our 3rd cat eliminator. You won't get that with any other brand.

- Rich


Here's the pics:

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_cccr.JPG
http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_cccr_2.JPG



Updated 12/10

Ceramic Coated Midpipes shipping today. All pre-ordres received between now and Dec 19th will be discounted to $174.95

MadDad(TM) Ceramic Coated Midpipes

Looking to complete a Prodrive, ScoobySport, or Stromung ( and others ) catback exhaust? We are introducing a new Ceramic coated 2.5" midpipe (aka center/rear, aka catback pipe, ...) that will do the deed. While there are already midpipes available, this is the only midpipe with a ceramic coating to help keep heat away from your drivetrain and keep the exhaust gases hotter to promote better flow this far downstream in the system. The factory midpipe has a heatshield for similiar reason. This pipe will be available for delivery before the end of December. Priced at $199, it's a small premium to pay for a premium pipe.

MadDad(TM) Twin Dump Downpipe w/High Flow Cat and Ceramic Coating

Update 02/05/04
Pre-order pricing is $349 a group buy for pre-orders will be set up shortly, regular $399. ALL production units will be ceramic coated.
We are shooting for a early to mid March release.

Kicking off the new year we will also be introducting our MadDad 3" Downpipe with a Twin Dump design and High Flow Cat. This pipe will use the new 3" flanges we developed for our 3rd Cat eliminator which means it will mate with the factory 3rd cat and is the natural mate to our 3" 3rd Cat Eliminator recently introduced. Combining our Downpipe and 3rd Cat eliminator completes our strategy of offering the best compromise between 3" and 2.5" Turboback systems. We keep everything 3" where the pressure and temperature are the greatest and taper back down to 2.5" in an effort to maintain exhaust gas velocity where the temperature starts to drop.

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp1.jpg
http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp3.jpg

Connected to our MadDad(TM) 3CE

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp4.jpg


MadDad(TM) Hybrid(3"/2.5") SuperStealth Turboback

With our 3 strategic pieces almost completed we will offer a special bundle on our TDDC Downpipe, 3rd Cat Eliminator and Ceramic Coated Midpipes for just $699. You'll experience what we think is the very best combination of power, torque, and stealthiness(is that a word) in the Subaru aftermarket. To prove our products perform as advertised, effective December 15th, 2003 we will be offering a 14 day Money Back Guarantee on all MadDad Exhaust Components. You don't get that from any other brand. We're that confident in the products we've creating.

- Rich

Rich,

The downpipe sounds fantastic. Please keep us updated on your progress with this part. The only downside is that I might have to sell the SS DP I bought from you to try this one out.

Damn you.

Paul

Oooo. :eek: :eek:

I can't wait to see the downpipe!! Hopefully when pictures are available, you guys can do a pre-order at a discounted price like you did with the 3rd cat eleminator.

Damn, I already got a Stromung rear pipe. Oh well.

Will you guys be releasing an up-pipe soon?

As soon as we can confirm the performance of the new DP, we'll post some pics and will most definately do a pre-order deal like we did with the 3rd cat eliminator. We'll also offer everyday combo's on a DP and 3rd cat eliminator as well. We're about 30 days away from some photo's. The midpipe is about a week away.

- Rich

hey rich, will you be offering a "stealthback" (dp/3rd cat elim/midpipe) configuration of all your exhaust product? Any estimation on this price too? Great idea for a twin dump d/p with a cat, 1st one on the market too!

2.5" why not 3"

Focus4 - No doubt. Combo deals will be available. I don't have the final cost estimate on the DP yet since a couple of details are still being played with. I'm thinking of having a High Temp coating put on it as well depending on how much more that will add to the cost. Once I know, I can post prices and what combo deals and pre-order deals will be.

tommy2hotty - We decided to keep our exhaust pieces 3" until you get to where the 3rd cat ends and the catback begins in an effort to give you what we believe will be a better flowing exhaust for both low-end torque and high-end HP. 3" is a good idea where the temperature and pressure are greatest, which is coming off the turbo, but as you get further downstream in the exhaust system temperatures drop and so does exhaust velocity, so we decided to taper back down to 2.5" at the end of our 3" 3rd cat eliminator to help maintain exhaust velocity. Our midpipe is then a standard 2.5" unit for the reasons above.

- Rich

ahh very nice explanation thank you

when is the estimated time you will receive production pieces?
please keep me informed
thanks
-N.O.S.

Originally posted by NOSwrx04
when is the estimated time you will receive production pieces?
please keep me informed
thanks
-N.O.S.

Well, we're supposed to take delivery of the prototype this month. If the fitment is good and there are real horsepower and torque being made then I suspect we would have them available late January. The shop we have making our products has been around a while and they have quite a bit of Subaru fabrication experience so I suspect the fitment will be good. We're definately going to hit the AWD Dyno and post real numbers once the dp is out. The bottom line is I'm not going to make it unless the performance is worth it. At the end of the day, all this stuff sits on my own car and I want to feel that kick in the butt just as much as you do. Did you install your 3rd cat eliminator yet?

- Rich

yep! it fit perfect and I can feel and hear the diffrence great product I can't wait for the DP!!!!
-N.O.S.

Originally posted by NOSwrx04
yep! it fit perfect and I can feel and hear the diffrence great product I can't wait for the DP!!!!
-N.O.S.

It's nice when a product registers on the butt dyno and ear dyno. Glad it met your expectation.

- Rich

bump for preliminary pricing on Downpipe.

- Rich

Will you offer the downpipe coated?

Whoops ! I forgot to revise the feature specs. That $349 price is the estimated price WITH a High Temp coating. Our ceramic coating on the midpipe is rated for 1200 degrees F. but we're using a higher temp coating for the the Downpipe. We have a couple of options we're looking at which is why the price is an estimate, but it should be pretty close. We should have some photo's of the prototype by the end of the month.

- Rich

Im interested. Is the cat going to be metalic(internals) like the one on the stromung midpipe?


jay

illmatic - No. It's going to be more of a conventional cat that has a higher flow rate designed for our 3" plumbing. We're pushing the cat as far down the downpipe as possible to reduce it's restriction at the turbo and we're putting the high temp coating on the pipe to help the cat's efficiency as well as keep the engine bay cooler. The goal is to create a downpipe with cat that won't throw a cel, while performing noticeably better than the factory downpipe(which means your butt should feel it), and not costing and arm and a leg. We only want the arm.

- Rich

Any chance that you'll develop a "no cat" version of the downpipe?

Bankie - We're considering using the new Stromung twin dump DP pipe because it uses the exact same 3" flange as our 3rd cat eliminator making it the perfect mate, but we are going to put the same high heat coating on Stromung's pipe as we are with our DP w/cat. No sense in recreating the wheel when there is a perfect match sitting right in front of us.

- Rich

bump for info update. Ceramic coated center/rear pipes arrived Christmas eve. Will have pictures posted later tonight.

- Rich

{gasp} must....have.....more, [sigh] info on catted dp! Waiting.....too....painful.

Originally posted by whittleman
{gasp} must....have.....more, [sigh] info on catted dp! Waiting.....too....painful.

Literally just got off the phone with my exhaust fabricator. It was supposed to be shipped last week, but it's been held up by the ceramic coating shop. Latest update is that it will ship tomorrow or Wednesday of this week. That puts it at my door Tuesday/Wednesday of next week. I'll be out of the country during that time but I'll be back on Saturday the 24th and should have a photo up in this forum sometime that evening.

- Rich

Hey Rich,

Any update on the anxiously awaited downpipe? Pics?

Thanks!

/\ wait he said.

I'm told it should be shipping(the first one-off) today, but until I know for sure I didn't want to mention anything since its been pushed back so many times already.

- Rich


The one-off shipped today. It was still waiting to be coated so I said to heck with it(just for this one). My car goes in next month for inspection so this is what will be on the car when it goes in, along with our MadDad(TM) 3CE. We should be receiving this unit next Friday. We'll keep you all posted. Thanks for the patience. Now I have to start work on my crazy ideas for our MadDad(TM) Exhaust...muuuuhahahahah !!!!

- Rich

I know its kinda late...but do the downpipes have an extra O2 bung on them for a WB sensor? How hard would it be to have one put in for maybee V2? Thanks for the updates Rich.

Originally posted by cdvma
I know its kinda late...but do the downpipes have an extra O2 bung on them for a WB sensor? How hard would it be to have one put in for maybee V2? Thanks for the updates Rich.

first off BUMP for our MadDad downpipe photos, see origonal post.

Adding an 02 sensor should be very easy to due after the fact since you will have pipe in hand. Drill a pilot hole then tap thread it for a screw in bung. We haven't gone to production with even the first run yet, so it would be possible to due this but we're really looking to keep the price point at the $399 mark. At $399 with the ceramic coating, CAT, and 3" plumbing we're going to halt on adding any other bits to it. It is a nice idea though.

- Rich

The downpipe looks awesome!

How about a package deal with the new downpipe and 3CE? If you can do that, I'm ready to wipe the drool off with my credit card :D

Go Daddy's :banana:

Very nice dp. I'm in!

bump for Daddy a great vender who keeps his customers informed, wish their were more like him. DP looks great I cant wait for some Hp #'s and the group buy.

Originally posted by Daddy's SCP
first off BUMP for our MadDad downpipe photos, see origonal post.

Adding an 02 sensor should be very easy to due after the fact since you will have pipe in hand. Drill a pilot hole then tap thread it for a screw in bung. We haven't gone to production with even the first run yet, so it would be possible to due this but we're really looking to keep the price point at the $399 mark. At $399 with the ceramic coating, CAT, and 3" plumbing we're going to halt on adding any other bits to it. It is a nice idea though.

- Rich


What kind of effect will the coating have on ones ability to weld to the pipe? I'm not a fan of screw in bungs. Thanks.

did you get the down pipe on yet?

cdvma- Good question. I'll ask the experts and let you know. I'm also thinking of doing the first run half and half, so there will be an "economy" model without the coating for approx $40-50 less.

NOSwrx04 - Looks like it won't happen till this weekend. Too many things going on.

Since this is the Annoucement forum I will also officially announce that we will have an EcuTek based Stage reflash to go along with our MadDad(TM) downpipe and MadDad(TM) 3CE. We've been running a tune with the factory downpipe and MadDad 3CE all winter and we just need some warm weather driving and our downpipe to make final tune adjustments. We should be producing a solid 200+whp based on our current results. Being EcuTek based you will get map switching between your performance map and factory map, as well as user tuning via Delta Dash. Target price for the downpipe, 3CE and reflash will be $999 or less. We will be assuming you already have a catback or performance axleback exhaust for this reflash. We'll post some dyno results as we get closer to release.

I cant wait for this downpipe to be released. I'll finally have my exhaust completed :) I just home my CC isnt the PITA it was last time around :D

Scott

has there been any word or progress on a midpipe for the GC8'S.
Dan

Our downpipe release will be delayed by an extra 2 weeks pushing it out till late March. We had some fitment issues so its heading back to the fabricator for some adjustments. We'll post an update when we get it back for round 2.

If anyone is looking for a GC8 Intermediate pipe I would suggest Stromung. If you want ceramic coated pipes, I would do a special order for you folks if we had 6 show of hands.

- Rich

Rich,
I know I could get the stromung but I was really looking forward to getting a ceramic coated one for a try. I think we could get six more people.
Dan

Our Catted downpipe should be making it's way back to us in the next week. We spoke to our fabricator and they hope to have it back out to us early next week, so we should see it a week later. Plans call for a road dyno to see how many HP we give up to the catless pipe were running now. Then we'll be off KTR's Performances dyno and some final ECU tweeking so we can release a perfect EcuTek based reflash to go with the DP and our MadDad 3CE combo. Gotta have a MadDad(TM) Stage 1 reflash to go with the products. We'll also be offering loaner ECU's for the reflash so you'll never have to be without your car. Stay tuned....

- Rich

Our catted DP is finally on its way back to us. I'm up for my emissions testing this month so it couldn't arrive at a better time. I'm running with a ceramic coated Stromung DP right now so I'll road dyno the differences between the two.

- Rich

Rich,

Do you have any dyno results comparing the Stromung downpie with and without the ceramic coating?

Also, I'm curious in the dyno results with, say, a Stromung downpipe and stock 3rd cat, versus a Stromung downpipe with your 3CE, versus a downpipe with highflow cat and 3CE. Just how much power does the stock 3rd cat suck, and how much more efficient are the highflows?

Appreciate it.

bump for the update...

Update 3/27/05

The downpipe is on my car, the before and after dyno is done, and even I can't get over the crazy results(there're damn good). We're calling the fabricator on Monday to have the first run done. In an effort to get the first batch out door asap, the first run will not be ceramic coated. We'll lower the price on this run for an even sweeter deal. I'll have dyno results posted once I get them off the laptop. Once I have the dyno results online I'll open a pre-order group-buy. I know there are a few of you that have been waiting quite a while. Thanks for hanging in there.

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp_med.jpg http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp_installed_med.jpg

Rich


This Road Dyno run with catless DP, 3CE, CCIP, ScoobySport axleback, and pre-release MadDad(TM) EcuTek remap.
Dyno Test: mdb3
===============

Maximum Wheel Power: 205.1 BHP @ 6351 RPM
Maximum Wheel Torque: 210.7 LbFt @ 3649 RPM
Power to weight ratio: 126.1 BHP per ton

Terminal velocity due to power: 161.4 mph

In Gear Acceleration:
30 - 50mph = 2.3 seconds
40 - 60mph = 2.5 seconds

Speed per 1000 RPM:
1st: 5.3 mph
2nd: 9.4 mph
3rd: 13.4 mph
4th: 18.9 mph
5th: 24.9 mph

Maximum Speed per Gear:
1st: 37.7 mph
2nd: 67.0 mph
3rd: 95.4 mph
4th: 134.1 mph
5th: 176.7 mph

Total Vehicle Mass: 1626kg
Drag Co-efficient: 0.37
Frontal Area: 2.20 square metres
Wheel/Tyre Setup: 205/50/16
Engine Rev Limit: 7100
Test gear: 2
Max Speed of gear: 67 mph
Air Intake Temp: 23 °C
Atmospheric Pressure: 1.01 bar

With MadDad(TM) 3" DP w/cat, all else the same(less 2yr old passenger, that's the weight difference). Same day mid afternoon
Dyno Test: mdb3wcat
===================

Maximum Wheel Power: 198.3 BHP @ 6087 RPM
Maximum Wheel Torque: 212.0 LbFt @ 4463 RPM
Power to weight ratio: 122.8 BHP per ton

Terminal velocity due to power: 159.6 mph

In Gear Acceleration:
30 - 50mph = 2.3 seconds
40 - 60mph = 2.5 seconds

Speed per 1000 RPM:
1st: 5.3 mph
2nd: 9.4 mph
3rd: 13.4 mph
4th: 18.9 mph
5th: 24.9 mph

Maximum Speed per Gear:
1st: 37.7 mph
2nd: 67.0 mph
3rd: 95.4 mph
4th: 134.1 mph
5th: 176.7 mph

Total Vehicle Mass: 1615kg
Drag Co-efficient: 0.37
Frontal Area: 2.20 square metres
Wheel/Tyre Setup: 205/50/16
Engine Rev Limit: 7100
Test gear: 2
Max Speed of gear: 67 mph
Air Intake Temp: 25 °C
Atmospheric Pressure: 1.01 bar



2nd run with MadDad(TM) downpipe. First run was done after the car was sitting idle for serveral minutes while setting up the laptop. This run was done after driving around around to cool things down a bit. Again, same day, several minutes later, same road(same highway on ramp, very repeatable). These are crazy results. The bottom line is the car pulls hard. We are going to bring to the local AWD at KTR Performance to see what she does on there dyno. Also keep in mind these are 2nd gear runs. 3rd gear should put out even more hp/torque. Note that the intake temp on this run is a few degrees C cooler. It was the same intake temp as the run with the catless dp.
Dyno Test: mdb3wcat2ndrun
=========================

Maximum Wheel Power: 211.3 BHP @ 6331 RPM
Maximum Wheel Torque: 209.2 LbFt @ 3988 RPM
Power to weight ratio: 130.8 BHP per ton

Terminal velocity due to power: 163.0 mph

In Gear Acceleration:
30 - 50mph = 2.3 seconds
40 - 60mph = 2.4 seconds

Speed per 1000 RPM:
1st: 5.3 mph
2nd: 9.4 mph
3rd: 13.4 mph
4th: 18.9 mph
5th: 24.9 mph

Maximum Speed per Gear:
1st: 37.7 mph
2nd: 67.0 mph
3rd: 95.4 mph
4th: 134.1 mph
5th: 176.7 mph

Total Vehicle Mass: 1615kg
Drag Co-efficient: 0.37
Frontal Area: 2.20 square metres
Wheel/Tyre Setup: 205/50/16
Engine Rev Limit: 7100
Test gear: 2
Max Speed of gear: 67 mph
Air Intake Temp: 23 °C
Atmospheric Pressure: 1.01 bar


The car is strong. The downpipe doesn't give the same tweeting(if that's a word) sound as the catless setup. It quieter. It's only been an afternoon but the car feels just as strong and I'm very happy with the initial results. We'll see how things fair once the ECU does some more learing. I'll post any other differences I see after some datalogging. Happy day !

- Rich