Gauging interest in STI adjustable coilovers made for Version 8 cars. ....let me know your feelings on this one !!Will post pictures soon.

http://img30.photobucket.com/albums/v91/stillwill/Myles%20STi%20Coilovers/ygp24AA.jpg
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Myles@racecompengineering
aka 944 turbo guy
410-707-0108

Holy S*** Myles, you have got to be kidding me! I can't believe it. "Ask and you shall receive" seems like STi's motto. Man sign me up for a set FOR SURE!!!!!! You guys check these babies out:

http://www.poweraxel.com/sti/news/news2004/sti04001.jpg

aren't they purrrrty?!? Myles, man you gotta start learning how to post pics bro! I can't be holdin' this down by myself all the time, come on now! Just messin.... ;)


I told you guys to watch out for RaceComp Engineering!!
-Matt

Very interested. Is there a targeted price range and delivery date?

I do know that these units are 4 way adjustable and come with
9 kg springs. I am hoping to find the manurfacture info soon. It comes with group-n hardened strut tops,and the range of adjustment is 1 level under stock version8, and 2 levels above stock sti shocks. I will have complete comfirmation by noon tuesday. Stay tuned. I have already ordered mine,.and will have a delivery date confirmation in 4 days. This will be a good tolerable street- great track set-up.

944 TURBO GUY

MYLES@RACECOMPENGINEERING.COM

410-707-0108

More info...more info...how much? Myles...how does this compare to the pinks with hardened strut tops? Does this mean you will be selling your STI pinks with hardened strut tops? Hmmm...I call dibs...:banana: I really do like what I am hearing about this fully adjustable suspension...keep me informed! Thanks in advance.

-Shane :D

I was going to buy the pinks and hardened tops{from Myles} but I think I will wait a while. I am interested in the coilovers.

Originally posted by Pirana
Very interested. Is
there a targeted price range and delivery date?

Price is $ 2895.00 shipped. Compared to Prodrive, Teins,Cusco zero 2-R price range and performance level( and beyond ).
I am waiting on delivery confirmation for my set. I will know availibility later tonight.


Myles@racecompengineering.com
aka 944 turbo guy
410-707-0108

This setup when looking at the rates, will be a level above the pinks,..THATS NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE PINKS AT ALL,...but this setup may not be for everybody. The range of adjustment is going to go from stiff to STIFFFF. The pinks are supermodel turned mom,.....this setup is the runway model turned porn star !! ( maybe mad comparo but you get the picture)

Myles Williams
racecompengineering.com

ps . 1 week for website to come up.

Originally posted by RaceComp Engineering
this setup is the runway model turned porn star !!

Porn stars rule....I may get these and forget about wheels for a while...

I would be in the market for a set of those for my v7.

Any chance of camber-plates for it?

-mike

Originally posted by Paisan
Any chance of camber-plates for it?

-mike

Yes ,..camber plates will work wih these,.just remove the group-n strut tops,..and we all know people will buy those from you.

Myles Williams
RCE
410-707-0108

For more information on this setup, you guys can go to:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poweraxel.com%2Fsti% 2Fnews%2Fnews2004%2Fsti04001.html&lp=ja_en&tt=url

Apparently some people are under the impression that this is a "fully adjustable" coilover kit. From reading that news release, it is my understanding that this coilover kit operates only with "4 adjustment settings". True, it is "4-way" adjustable, but it is 4 way adjustable in that there are *only* 4 adjustment settings for dampening (rebound AND compression combined). I trust that STi knows what they're doing and has optimized these 4 settings for the best possible handling and ride benefit, but this is in no way comparable to a true fully adjustable suspension. For the price of $2895, you're well on your way to owning a real fully adjustable coilover kit (independent rebound AND compression, and for certain brands, even independent low-speed and high-speed rebound and compression).

Seems like a decent solution for people that are looking for the convenience of "1 click" to set to a track setup and "1 click" to set to a street setup. At that price, and for people that aren't STi-label queens, there are better coilover kits out there.

Originally posted by STi@VIR
For more information on this setup, you guys can go to:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poweraxel.com%2Fsti% 2Fnews%2Fnews2004%2Fsti04001.html&lp=ja_en&tt=url

Apparently some people are under the impression that this is a "fully adjustable" coilover kit. From reading that news release, it is my understanding that this coilover kit operates only with "4 adjustment settings". True, it is "4-way" adjustable, but it is 4 way adjustable in that there are *only* 4 adjustment settings for dampening (rebound AND compression combined). I trust that STi knows what they're doing and has optimized these 4 settings for the best possible handling and ride benefit, but this is in no way comparable to a true fully adjustable suspension. For the price of $2895, you're well on your way to owning a real fully adjustable coilover kit (independent rebound AND compression, and for certain brands, even independent low-speed and high-speed rebound and compression).

Seems like a decent solution for people that are looking for the convenience of "1 click" to set to a track setup and "1 click" to set to a street setup. At that price, and for people that aren't STi-label queens, there are better coilover kits out there.


You are absolutely right,.....but most people even who autocross and do tract events,..and even some racers,..are clueless with setting up comression and rebound on a car,.;let alone an all-wheel drive car !! Then factor in the way in which this car responds to the front differential,...and the fact that most of those people will lower the car way too much and wonder why it doesnt handle right.................just a thought,....you and I might be fine ,,but ALOT of people dont understand what really works, and front roll center, and how to move evrything around. So to MANY,....this alternative,..yes,.while expensive is the true "onestop",..look at all the people on the PRODRIVE ACTIVE SUSPENSION thread,....I am a Prodrive dealer, so trust me,..I'm not complaining at all !! The response has been BIG to say the least, and thats a just sit back and drive coilover,.and priced at "around 3000" was Dan@Prodrives quote.........so the people who are grassroots,..will stay grassroots,.and the people who are admittantly label people,,.and want some quality, and want the "dealer" approval if they have any related part go wrong under warranty,...they have their cake also...........its all good.

I do see your point though,.but I have customers who buy the Cusco zero 2-R and ask,".so does STi make a coilover,..? "...now I can say,..its funny that you ask that,..............................



944 turbo guy
Myles Williams
410-707-0108
RaceComp Engineering

who makes it? Most of STi's stuff is rebadged stuff. 4clicks? That sounds KYB-esque.

Don

Don ..I would put money to say its KYB,..but before we ,not saying you were,...before we knock them,..I've never seen any of the STI struts, v5-6-7 or 8 fail, or leak,..very strong and an overall good strut. I will withhold alot of my personal opinions until I drive on them both street and track. But yes,.you're thinking the same thing I am,..wishful thinking they would use Bilstein or like Prodrive Japan ,..uses HKS as the coilover manurfacture for the Japaneese coilovers. Stay tuned........

Myles Williams
RCE
410-707-0108

Interesting- went to the website (via babblefish) and see the rates are indeed stiffer than any of the STi stuff around- 60N/mm ~ 342 ft lbs/", 50 N ~ 285

What's "interesting" is that the damping rates which are usually expressed as N at .3m/sec- as they appear to be here:

Front 1370/770 1580/840 1690/880 1890/960
Rear 1060/570 1150/620 1240/650 1350/680

The "old" four way adj pink struts appear to be much firmer damped:

2320 / 790 2450 / 830 2650 / 870 2940 / 950
1470 / 610 1530 / 640 1650 / 660 1830 / 700

The STi (v7) oem strut:

2396/791
1668/690

Something doesn't equate or I'm missing something:confused:

Big Sky

One thing is , they are finally allowing the spring to function as a spring,..by not making the strut itself soo stiff. This way, the spring can bounce and the strut can control it,....remember the old 4 ways uses a conventional spring. Now its a 2.5 diameter linear rate coil spring with helpers in the rear, and the rates look good for actually being able to use the rebound, which I bet is very high,.so yes the spring compresses at a reasonable rate, but it reacts very fast and quick. This combo is how I set my Motons up on the Porsche. It might be worth a couple of seconds at the track,....I feel like I am the only one digging these things.
I'm starting to feel like everyone at the birthday party said,......
"no cake for me".:(


its all good..

Myles Williams
944 turbo guy
myles@racecompengineering.com
410-707-0108

I fully trust FHI's choices on suspension bits (I'm running a full compliment know:) ). It just struck me as a little odd that bump/rebound rates would be lower w/ higher spring rates, but it is a completely different spring setup- smaller in diameter and longer free length I am guessing- so that must evidently influence what damping rates you want.

That's the one thing I appreciate about FHI they freely publish suspension specs, a lot the aftermarket manufacturers don't.

I don't know why folks wouldn't be excited about this option, it's about the same price as you'd pay for the adj pink struts/springs/tops and these offer height adj as well.

Mike

These seem like an excellent option. I am in the process of researching my suspension options and won't be making a purchase untill the end of summer, but these are high on the list currently. :banana:

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Well, I was pretty set on the Prodive semi-active suspension (pending real-world performance), but now the plot thickens...Let us know how they work out for you.

Nobody knows this car better than STi. I imagine these coilovers would offer some amazing performance since they're developed specifically for the GD Impreza (unlike many aftermarket setups that are just made to fit well).

Yepp.

Interesting, that equates to roughly 6.1kg/mm front and 5kg/mm rear. Is the 9kg/mm rate listed in the first post an option or something? I am quite interested in this...so much so that My Tein HG's days may be numbered!

Originally posted by BIGSKYWRX
Interesting- went to the website (via babblefish) and see the rates are indeed stiffer than any of the STi stuff around- 60N/mm ~ 342 ft lbs/", 50 N ~ 285

What's "interesting" is that the damping rates which are usually expressed as N at .3m/sec- as they appear to be here:

Front 1370/770 1580/840 1690/880 1890/960
Rear 1060/570 1150/620 1240/650 1350/680

The "old" four way adj pink struts appear to be much firmer damped:

2320 / 790 2450 / 830 2650 / 870 2940 / 950
1470 / 610 1530 / 640 1650 / 660 1830 / 700

The STi (v7) oem strut:

2396/791
1668/690

Something doesn't equate or I'm missing something:confused:

Big Sky

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Weren't you getting a set of these? I'm really interested in hearing their real world results...I imagine everyone else subscribed to this thread is interested too.

If you want to cut me a special deal on them, I'll test a set out for you :)

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The set I had on order for myself I sold, three time now,..so the gentlemen I sold the last set to will have them installed by April 24th weekend, and post some track feedback on here and other thread that this picture has made its way onto.

Myles Williams
Racecomp Engineering LLC
www.racecompengineering.com

2720 Sisson st .
Baltimore, Md 21211
410-366-RACE (7223)
410-707-0108 cell

ps. The other 2 sets have reviews already, and I will post those with the 3rd review. Very good reviews, as compared to other brands, that both had changed out of.

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You got a link to those reviews? I tried searching, but couldn't find a thing. Thanks...

You got a link to those reviews? I tried searching, but couldn't find a thing. Thanks...

You got a link to those reviews? I tried searching, but couldn't find a thing. Thanks...

Response yesterday from customer.............

Hi Myles,
Got the car back last night. Haven't driven it tons but there is a huge difference. No real downside to it. The suspension came on Level 2 so I kept it that way.

Turn in is NOW. No slop. The car feels planted much like my old 944 Turbo did. I notice that in corners it takes a set much better than before. Body roll is decreased substantially. I have both front and rear bars at the softest setting for now. The brake pedal is also much firmer. I never really noticed a lot of understeer in the stock configuration--of course if you get on the power early in a tight bed it understeered but if throttle balanced to the apex before accelerating the car was nice and neutral even in stock form. I'll be out on the track in just over a week (albeit with stock tires) so we'll see then.

The overall drop in ride height in front is about 1.5". We got 1.5 degrees neg camber in front and almost 2 in the back. I left toe stock.

I'll be in touch as I get to know the car again.

(customer name withheld for privacy)


944 turbo guy

Myles Williams
Racecomp Engineering LLC
www.racecompengineering.com

2720 Sisson st .
Baltimore, Md 21211
410-366-RACE (7223)
410-707-0108 cell

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Response yesterday from customer.............

Hi Myles,
Got the car back last night. Haven't driven it tons but there is a huge difference. No real downside to it. The suspension came on Level 2 so I kept it that way.

Turn in is NOW. No slop. The car feels planted much like my old 944 Turbo did. I notice that in corners it takes a set much better than before. Body roll is decreased substantially. I have both front and rear bars at the softest setting for now. The brake pedal is also much firmer. I never really noticed a lot of understeer in the stock configuration--of course if you get on the power early in a tight bed it understeered but if throttle balanced to the apex before accelerating the car was nice and neutral even in stock form. I'll be out on the track in just over a week (albeit with stock tires) so we'll see then.

The overall drop in ride height in front is about 1.5". We got 1.5 degrees neg camber in front and almost 2 in the back. I left toe stock.

I'll be in touch as I get to know the car again.

(customer name withheld for privacy)


944 turbo guy

Myles Williams
Racecomp Engineering LLC
www.racecompengineering.com

2720 Sisson st .
Baltimore, Md 21211
410-366-RACE (7223)
410-707-0108 cell
Any further follow up on these as far as track use goes? Did the stuts ever overheat and move out of their effective range?

How does this change compare to changing from a v7 STi suspension... Just things I am interested to know.

Thanks!

- dow (reviving the dead!!!)

Yes, they were incredible. Much better than we thought. No they didnt overheat or seem to get mushy , they were significantly better,as in night and day better than pinks even at stock ride height. The rebound is amazing and they deal with bumps very well. Then when time to go, turned down to level 1, which feels like sti struts with pink springs.

944 turbo guy

bump for a good thread,...

I think the only other input that I would like to have would be the impression from some users on real life usage and what those have been like. Furthermore, and experience that compare/contrast the v7 or other suspensions that have been used as to these would be GREATLY helpful.

Honestly, I think this is going to be the best choice for me, and will get me to where i want my car to be without it being unlivable for the significant other :)

Any real life data would be greatly helpful. Thanks, and someone give me 2900 dollars!! ! :)

*awaiting on spousal approval on the new budget* :)

- dow

What are the odds that these are $1000 better than comparable setups from Tein, Cusco, JIC? :)

john

What are the odds that 1000 dollars isnt much when it comes to disposable items.

I would just prefer to have something from someone who made my car, and knows something about making it faster.

That's my preference. That's all.

I would rather buy quality the first time (not to say others arent quality.. just stating STi products are generally top notch).

- dow

Edit: Honestly... I just want the STi coilovers. That is all :)

Edit: Honestly... I just want the STi coilovers. That is all :)Busted ;)

Not saying they aren't worth it, there's a lot to be said for "I know it will work" certainly.. just saying ppl have been happier with cheaper stuff.

john

Well, lets just say I have v7 STi Struts/Springs, saw, control arms.. yadda... and I have been immensely pleased with their durablity, and overally well rounded ability.

I am not expecting the STi coilovers to be all that and a bag of chips for price vs performance vs ultimate track suspension, but it gives me what I NEED, which is a ride I can go but nutty 'go kart' suspension ride while I am in the car, and v7 stiff when she is in the car.

I love the dynamic ability of my STi suspension. I would just like to add that and the ride height + adjustable struts to an all in one combo with a name I trust. I have followed that philosophy so far in my purchases, and it has not let me down.

I just wanna be happy, and STi "does it" for me. Sorta like Subaru :)


BACK TO ON TOPIC::

I know other have been persuaded by STi's wily charms to get these coilovers, and I am looking for some detailed user information about the ride, thoughts, or comparisons you have had with these vs other things you have used.

Mainly, I want information about, or concerning these coilovers. Anything related to that, I would be greatly appreciative of.

Thanks everyone :)

- dow

- dow

The Sti coilovers in daily drive situations turned down to the lowest setting, feel like an STi with stock springs at low speed, then at high speed they feel more like and STI with pinks. When turned up to the stiffest setting on the street, they are stiff, no way around that, but you wouldnt do that to yourself anyway,as its very stiff when turned up. I feel as though what these units offer that the aforementioned units dont offer is a precise matched valving for our cars specifically.

Myles Williams
Racecomp Engineering LLC
www.racecompengineering.com

sales@racecompengineering.com

410-366-RACE (7223)
410-707-0108 cell

Showroom opening October 1, 2004
9123 Old Annapolis Rd ( RT.108 )
Columbia, Maryland 21045

410-730-7223 phone
410-730-5503 fax

Any installed pics?

My god these are sooooooo nice. :eek: I hope you'll have these around in about a month! :D

My god these are sooooooo nice. :eek: I hope you'll have these around in about a month! :D
We will , you just let us know when you're ready.

Myles Williams
www.racecompengineering.com

sales@racecompengineering.com

Racecomp Engineering LLC.
9123 Old Annapolis Rd. Suite 103w
Columbia, Maryland 21045

410-730-RACE
410-730-5503 FAX

410-707-0108 mobile.

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Well, I want to respond to a tanget to this thread (maybe I should create a new one). However, I would really like to get the opinion of RaceComp Engineering as I like vendors who help you find what you need.

Are they any coilovers that are close to the functionality and 'match' the STI coilovers have to the car without the 3K cost? The price doesnt bother me as much as equivalent function vs price of competitors. I have been looking at the Cusco 2Z-Rs and other various brands... not really knowing that I SHOULD be looking for, or what the main differences are in the coilovers (other than spring and rebound). I can stand a stiffly sprung car, but I would like to retain functionality so this doesnt become a 'pain' to drive.

I obviously, do not know much about the internals of the coilovers, and I am looking for a 'heads up'/FAQ/look for these in making your decision thoughts. The Teins seem to be the choice for the masses, but I am generally not a 'mee too' kind of buyer.

Is there any help you can direct a coilover buyer towards? Should I take this offline/PM?

Any help would be appreciated. I can guarente that I tend to buy from people who try to help me :)

Oh, my vital stats:

- autoX - yes, and much, but I dont want to be Natioanlly competitive (read: not autoX only setup).
- Daily Driver - yes, and the wife has to still want to ride along (she is riding on the v7 struts/springs without complaint).
- Track days - infrequent in this car. It will be 'fun days' or HPDE only. I will get a seperate track car later.

Other ?s:

-Do I need to change/beef up other areas of my suspension when going to coilovers? Seems like making one part stiffer while everything else staying the same can be BAD.

Thanks for listening to my rambling... I am at work, and I just have to put my posts out fast.

Thanks!

- dow

Well, I want to respond to a tanget to this thread (maybe I should create a new one). However, I would really like to get the opinion of RaceComp Engineering as I like vendors who help you find what you need.

Are they any coilovers that are close to the functionality and 'match' the STI coilovers have to the car without the 3K cost? The price doesnt bother me as much as equivalent function vs price of competitors. I have been looking at the Cusco 2Z-Rs and other various brands... not really knowing that I SHOULD be looking for, or what the main differences are in the coilovers (other than spring and rebound). I can stand a stiffly sprung car, but I would like to retain functionality so this doesnt become a 'pain' to drive.

I obviously, do not know much about the internals of the coilovers, and I am looking for a 'heads up'/FAQ/look for these in making your decision thoughts. The Teins seem to be the choice for the masses, but I am generally not a 'mee too' kind of buyer.

Is there any help you can direct a coilover buyer towards? Should I take this offline/PM?

Any help would be appreciated. I can guarente that I tend to buy from people who try to help me :)

Oh, my vital stats:

- autoX - yes, and much, but I dont want to be Natioanlly competitive (read: not autoX only setup).
- Daily Driver - yes, and the wife has to still want to ride along (she is riding on the v7 struts/springs without complaint).
- Track days - infrequent in this car. It will be 'fun days' or HPDE only. I will get a seperate track car later.

Other ?s:

-Do I need to change/beef up other areas of my suspension when going to coilovers? Seems like making one part stiffer while everything else staying the same can be BAD.

Thanks for listening to my rambling... I am at work, and I just have to put my posts out fast.

Thanks!

- dow

I would first have to ask what type of car you had last, how much drive time track expereience do you have,..I would ask alot more questions before we decide to jump into coilovers. IF it was determined that ,.that was the way for you to go,...then ys you are looking at one of the better choices. The Zeals being the better in my opionion by a hair. Both offer inverted strut design, and both have ride height adjustability without effecting preloaded spring rate, both have excellent rust corrosion warranties, both offer a range of adjustment that would allow the wife to ride and or drive without complaint, both offer 2 different spring rates, the Zeals offer a customspring rate program, both offer front camber plates, and the Zeals come with camber plates in the rear also,..so there are alot of simularities. The Zeals have superior fluid capacity and that I know effect dampening in a positive manner. Perhaps you can e-mail me and I can offer more info on the two and ask more questions of you.

cheers-

944 turbo guy

Myles Williams
www.racecompengineering.com

sales@racecompengineering.com

Racecomp Engineering LLC.
9123 Old Annapolis Rd. Suite 103w
Columbia, Maryland 21045

410-730-RACE
410-730-5503 FAX
410-707-0108 mobile.

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