Testing is complete of some new low cost turbo options for the WRX and STI.

Option 1:

Part# 3018
Brand new IHI VF30 turbo with upgraded 630CFM compressor wheel. Compressor wheel is the exact same as used in the PE1818 and PE1820. This turbo is the same as the PE1818 but is non ball bearing. You are getting a brand new VF30 in the IHI box with the upgraded compressor which is the same as used in the PE turbo.

$1020

This turbo is available with a Clipped Exhaust turbine wheel for more exhaust flow. A slight increase in lag will be seen but a drastic decrease in exhaust back pressure for more top end power. Drag racers or nitrous users should consider the clipped wheel. 300-400 rpm worth of lag increase for an additional 20-25whp up top.

3018 with Clipped wheel

$1100

Option 2:

Part# 3418
Brand new IHI VF34 turbo with upgraded 630CFM compressor wheel. Compressor wheel is the exact same as used in the PE1818 and PE1820. This turbo is the same as the PE1818 in parts make up. You are getting a brand new VF34 in the IHI box with the upgraded compressor.

$1140

Option 3:

Part# 2220
Brand new IHI VF22 turbo with upgraded 630CFM compressor wheel. Compressor wheel is the exact same as used in the PE1818 and PE1820. This turbo is the same as the PE1820 in parts make up. You are getting a brand new VF22 in the IHI box with the upgraded compressor.

$1060


All three turbos are ready to ship. If sales demand increases a wait time fo 3 days on each turbo after stock is depleted will result. All three turbos have been tested. Since they use the same exact compressor wheel, housings and parts make up as the PE turbos perforformance is the same in most respects. Another cheaper option for bolt on turbos with no guess work about the performance. If you have a 22, 30 or 34 now and would like it upgraded that cost is $299 per turbo and turn around time is 2-3 days in most cases.

Call or email for more information.

Hot damn, my turbo plans may have changed, lol. Talk about bang for buck, nice.:D

got any dyno plots, like before/after the compressor changes? how does the exhaust side compare between the IHIs and the PEs?

Off topic, but do you have a r180 for the jdm sti 6mt w/ 3.9 ratio?
Where is all the jdm goodies on your website anyway?!!
Shoot me a price at brent2401@yahoo.com

Enigma76-Dyno Plots to be posted shortly

serious-We have 2 Version 7's coming in this week and are adding all the JDM take off peices to the website currently. Thanks.

excellent indeed kingpin, very nice alternatives here. hopefully the dyno plots turn out to be...fun :devil:

Bump^ for some dyno plots also :)

I have what I think is one of the VF34 ones with the PE-style compressor. Basically I bought the turbo about 4 months ago as a VF34 off Ebay and it turned out not to be a VF34, but it was identical to the PE1818. It had no markings on it at all but it came in a IHI box. I thought maybe it fell off a truck or something, the company I bought it from was not a company that sold Subaru parts. Anyways, with supporting mods and tuning I made 340whp/340ft-lbs on Cobb's Mustang dyno at 17psi and about 11.25:1 AFRs. I get full boost by around 3000 rpm with the turbo. This is on a EJ257 w/V8 heads.

Enigma76-Keep in mind the turbos use the exact same parts as the PE turbos so performance is the same.


Thanks.

DWX-nice numbers man. Sounds like your turbo spools fast on that 2.5.

im alittle confused then, if they use the exact same parts, they are basically a PE 1818/20 in IHI shell? so its basically like getting one of the PEs but for alot cheaper?

Bingo. Actually the PE turbo use the IHI housings any way. But yeah you got it.

So only $299 to get my 22 upgraded to what is basically a 1820?

Dont the PE turbos have a different wastegate?

http://www.kastleskorner.com/store/images/PEturbo.jpg

Basically they have cut open the stock wastgate, I believe, and stuck a new spring in there and then clamped it back together. I know that various springs are available. And yes $299 for the upgrade. Thanks.

Originally posted by 03WRXMA
So only $299 to get my 22 upgraded to what is basically a 1820?

Dont the PE turbos have a different wastegate?

http://www.kastleskorner.com/store/images/PEturbo.jpg

The pe that is pictured has the optional separative wastegate which allows you to swap out for heavier springs.. I am 99% sure you can get one and add it to one of these IHI's.. Mike this is an awesome thing ya got here, just wich i already didnt have an 1820..:mad:

I am sure Mike can get you one from PE, i think they are like 70-80 give or take if my memory serves me..
Dave

cronic,

what WG spring are you running, and what was it stock if you changed it?

-Dave N.

Does it come with an upgraded wastegate?

Are you guys modifying the IHI turbos or does ihi sell them this way.

I thought the housings on the pe 1820were a lot larger than vf22 housings-Help me here Mike. Also to perform the mod on an existing vf22-mine:)-do u machine the housing to accept the larger wheel? Are the exhaust wheels on the vf22 and pe1820 identical? Very interested- I have a deadbolt p&p vf22 w/ corner clipped exhaust wheel-so by doing this mod, I have an pe1820? thnx.

I have the 14psi spring i believe.. I also have a 19psi spring sitting here waiting to go in..

Odin1.. The pe1820 and vf22 use the p20 exhaust housing, the pe1818 uses the smaller p18.. I believe the comp housings are all RX6.. I think the new pe's use the same vf30 comp housing which they just enlarge a bit..

Mike sorry to jump on you thread but i am bored..:)

D-

ya i forgot the vf3x use the p18 housing, same as the pe1818, and the 22 uses the p20, same as the 1820.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=511845

refer to that thread for flow rates of the IHIs vs the PEs @ diff PSI.

Originally posted by cronic
I have the 14psi spring i believe.. I also have a 19psi spring sitting here waiting to go in..

Odin1.. The pe1820 and vf22 use the p20 exhaust housing, the pe1818 uses the smaller p18.. I believe the comp housings are all RX6.. I think the new pe's use the same vf30 comp housing which they just enlarge a bit..

Mike sorry to jump on you thread but i am bored..:)

D-

Thnx man. So the turbine wheels on vf22 and pe1820 are the same-just compressor wheel on 1820 is larger? tia.

Originally posted by cronic
The pe that is pictured has the optional separative wastegate which allows you to swap out for heavier springs.. I am 99% sure you can get one and add it to one of these IHI's.. Mike this is an awesome thing ya got here, just wich i already didnt have an 1820..:mad:

I am sure Mike can get you one from PE, i think they are like 70-80 give or take if my memory serves me..
Dave


We dont offer the seprative Actuator with these turbos. You get the same actuator that comes with the turbo. 8-10 psi. If you need more we can certainly upgrade the actuator to an adjustable one with higher pressure... that will be an additional charge though. let me look into that...

The Kit from PE is around $80 but all you get is a spring and the clamp. You must cut your cant open to install the spring. I know about 5 people that have tried this, cut the rubber diaphram and been up the creek without a paddle.... You cant buy just the IHI actuator so good luck if that happens. PE does offer the entire unit but I am not sure of the price.

Originally posted by cronic
I have the 14psi spring i believe.. I also have a 19psi spring sitting here waiting to go in..

Odin1.. The pe1820 and vf22 use the p20 exhaust housing, the pe1818 uses the smaller p18.. I believe the comp housings are all RX6.. I think the new pe's use the same vf30 comp housing which they just enlarge a bit..

Mike sorry to jump on you thread but i am bored..:)

D-


Correct on the turbine housings. 1820 uses P20, 1818 uses P18. VF22 uses P20, VF30/34 uses P18.

Old PE turbos used the RX6 comp housing. New ones use the VF30 style Comp housing because the RX6 ones are no longer available. The turbos we sell use the VF30 style housing for the same reason.

Originally posted by odin1
Thnx man. So the turbine wheels on vf22 and pe1820 are the same-just compressor wheel on 1820 is larger? tia.


Yes

Thanks.

Originally posted by Kingpin
Correct on the turbine housings. 1820 uses P20, 1818 uses P18. VF22 uses P20, VF30/34 uses P18.

Old PE turbos used the RX6 comp housing. New ones use the VF30 style Comp housing because the RX6 ones are no longer available. The turbos we sell use the VF30 style housing for the same reason.

Yea.. i got a bit confused with the RX6..;) Is there anything that can be done to the 1820 to make it a little larger or is that about maxed out? New Cartridge?

Dave-

Originally posted by Kingpin
Correct on the turbine housings. 1820 uses P20, 1818 uses P18. VF22 uses P20, VF30/34 uses P18.

Old PE turbos used the RX6 comp housing. New ones use the VF30 style Comp housing because the RX6 ones are no longer available. The turbos we sell use the VF30 style housing for the same reason.

So does the stock vf22 use an RX6 comp. housing? thnx.

RX6 is a different turbo altogether. So no...

mike,

does ihi sell them this way or are you guys modifying them?

I was just curious because dwx also said that he got a turbo like this, but it was an accident.

hey Kingpin, I'm very interested in this 'poor man's PE' setup. Do you happen to have dynographs of the upgrades vf34/22 vs. the PE1818/20?

Originally posted by verc
hey Kingpin, I'm very interested in this 'poor man's PE' setup. Do you happen to have dynographs of the upgrades vf34/22 vs. the PE1818/20?

Hey man not to answer for Mike but i would expect similar numbers since these are basically 1818/20's They have all the same parts just that PE is not slapping them together..

Mike tell Louis to get one so we can get some big numbers out of his car when you come out..

D-

well yeah I know it's prob about the same, but I assume this unit has been tested, and that they would have thought to keep dynographs 'just for the heck of it' if not for anything else

Sorry for the delayed responses guys. I have been in LA all day securing more STI's for part out. Look for that soon. Thanks to everyone who kept up on this while I was gone.

spiralsmurf-IHI does not sell them this way. They are modified.

We do have some dyno charts that I am trying to get around to posting. Sorry for the delay. These do perform identical to waht you see from a PE 1820 b/c they are the exact same turbo. Thanks.

Anxious to see dyno charts for a 3018 :banana:

Maybe I'll have my VF30 reworked in time for your tuning trip out to the east coast next month if I like what I see :D

can you modify vf23 also? if it is possible, what would you compare it to? pe1818 or 1820?

I would think they can, it would be an 1820 as the 23 has the 20 housing.:)

right, I guess they are modifying it based on the housing. Are there other compressor wheels available?

Also I'm anxous to see a dynograph of a clipped vs. unclipped vf since that seems like another interesting option

For the $1100.00 is it ball bearing? I noticed on the first turbo mentioned it's not, but the second and third don't say specifically. Thanks.

Originally posted by kenlee
For the $1100.00 is it ball bearing? I noticed on the first turbo mentioned it's not, but the second and third don't say specifically. Thanks.

The $1100 one seems to be the same as the first one but clipped. Since the vf30 is not ball bearing neither would this.. I also am thinking the vf22 is basically a non ball bearing 1820 while the vf34 based turbo is a ball bearing 1820..

atf78 grab one of these for the dyno day man i am sure you will not be dissapointed.. Mike would not offer these if he was not confident in them.. I wish i had this option when i bought my 1820..

Originally posted by cronic
The $1100 one seems to be the same as the first one but clipped. Since the vf30 is not ball bearing neither would this.. I also am thinking the vf22 is basically a non ball bearing 1820 while the vf34 based turbo is a ball bearing 1820..


Wouldnt the vf34 based turbo be like a PE1818 since itd the p18 housing vs. the p20?

Originally posted by 03WRXMA
Wouldnt the vf34 based turbo be like a PE1818 since itd the p18 housing vs. the p20?

Exactly.. My bad;)

BUMP for dyno plots

where would a TD05-16G stand in comparison to these options?
I want faster than vf22 spool, but 20-25more whp top end ( I know the td05-16g has this, have experienced this for myself)

If you have dyno data... could you please post up some boost plots? Your VF34 hybrid has sparked my interest, but how is the spool by comparison to a standard VF34?

this has me pretty interested. i have a vf34 i need to rebuild but i'm looking for something reliable. let me know


rich
tr08

Originally posted by wickedbluwrx
this has me pretty interested. i have a vf34 i need to rebuild but i'm looking for something reliable. let me know


rich
tr08

Rich grab one and get down on the upcoming dyno day, we might have a few drop outs and can squeeze you in..

Dave-

These turbos are absolutely reliable. Again they are identical in form to the PE 1818 and 1820 units that have tried and true for some time now. If you are interested in ordering one please let m eknow. These things are flyingoff of the shelf. Thanks.

Mike

What could you do with a VF23?

Whats the most responsive of these turbo's?

Part# 3418?

hey mike i have to send you my vf34. the wheel has seized would it still be the same price of 299 to make the turbo into your hybrid.
let me know.

hey have where are you tuning your cars and who is doing the tuning?

rich
tr08.

Originally posted by wickedbluwrx


hey have where are you tuning your cars and who is doing the tuning?

rich
tr08.

Rich i am Pm'ing u..

norseone- i would asume that the Vf23 would be almost like the 1820 since it uses the same P20 hot side, i believe the cold side is only a tad smaller than the vf30's..

How a slight bit OT, but I've never seen a compressor map for either the PE or VF turbos, does anyone have any?

What comes with the rebuild for $299?? Is this just an upgraded wheel or do you replace any other parts that might be worn??

Mike

good question

a) How long is the turnaround?

b) Safe to assume that one will need bigger injectors than the STI's?

c) Do you have a core exchange program?

Thanks....

nok- some of your questions are answered on the first page.

a) turn around time is 2-3 days in most cases

c) they replace the turbine wheel if you already have a vf turbos for $299.

b) safe to assume that you will need modified stock injectors hehe

WE have run theses turbos on the STi pinks but on the upper end you are getting some pretty high IDC's. A little bigger sure wouldn't hurt...I know I know Dyno charts. I am working on getting them all together...we have been very busy but I will get some up. Thanks for you patience.

I think the FPR crush combined with STI pinks will provide the fuel you need for this turbo.. I think that is what i will be running on my sti swap with 1820..

Mike what you got to offer for us who already have 1820's?

D-

Possibly I haven't read the posts carefully enough, but does the vf22's compressor housing require machining to accept the 630cfm wheel? If so, do you do that in house?

Also, if I were to ship my 22 in, would it get a "rebuild" of sorts if any parts or seals were worn?

I also assume there'd be some balancing to do?

Thank you!

Also, if I were to ship my 22 in, would it get a "rebuild" of sorts if any parts or seals were worn?

Originally posted by mikeG8U
Also, if I were to ship my 22 in, would it get a "rebuild" of sorts if any parts or seals were worn?

Yeah I wanna know this too :)

ALready talking to TMS about doing the swapin/out/making the map :)

Also curious for my VF34...

Will you return the stock VF34 compressor housing?

Also - are your compressor housings coated at all? can they be?

you got PM about VF34

Ok. Sorry for the delay in response but i wanted to be sure I had my info correct. First off we can swap the wheels in any of the brand new VF turbos. When it comes to replacing the wheels in used turbos it looks like we will not be able to do the ball bearing turbos. Reason being that The ones we have seen come in have questionable internals and we cannot gaurentee the balancing and such. Now we can still do used non ball bearing turbos no problem. ANd the new turbos we can build any version of. Thanks.

Are VF22s ball bearing?

Yes 22 is and 34 is. Thanks.

Do you still have Option 3: Part# 2220. I will send you an email with more quetions.

thanks you

-freddie :)

All versions of these turbos are still available, however due to overwhelming orders there is now a three day delay from order to ship date. Thank you and enjoy.

dyno?:D

dyno's please:)

What is the HP difference between the vf22 and the (reworked) 1820?
How much later is the spoolup?

haha...I'm sure kingpin is really busy with this new turbo and I'm confident in its capabilities; I'm just curious for dyno sheets. But I find it funny how always things like "scanners", "ftp", and the "internet" in general are hard to use when it comes to geting dyno sheets online

OK....

What is the main difference between the 22 in this set-up and the 34???

I want a turbo that is going to scream... I would like to see full boost before 4500rpm, and push 19-20psi on pump, and 24-25 on C16...

Which turbo would be better for me, and what are the charateristics of it???

Thanks guys

Matt

Originally posted by WRXGuyInTulsa
OK....

What is the main difference between the 22 in this set-up and the 34???

I want a turbo that is going to scream... I would like to see full boost before 4500rpm, and push 19-20psi on pump, and 24-25 on C16...

Which turbo would be better for me, and what are the charateristics of it???

Thanks guys

Matt


aren't you describing the FP green there buddy ? :)

A green is an option. But the VF22 version (2220) will give you these results also and witha bit less lag. We do have more options coming soon as well. Thanks.

Originally posted by verc
I'm just curious for dyno sheets. But I find it funny how always things like "scanners", "ftp", and the "internet" in general are hard to use when it comes to geting dyno sheets online werd, i'm waiting for dynos before laying down some $$$.

Sorry guys I will try to get it done today. Between these and the sales we have running we are just swamped. Thanks for the patience.

hehe no pressure :disco:
awesome. looking forward to it

Sorry guys. According to the new vendor rules I have too many threads open in this section. I have to close this thread down but I will post up the dyno charts in another section when they are ready. Thanks.