New wrx record, rigoli 8.81 @ 154mph, still a lot left in the car.

:eek:

sweet

~v6

Now that is moving right along isn't it!!

Larry

Originally posted by BROKENWRX
New wrx record, rigoli 8.81 @ 154mph, still a lot left in the car.

Does this mean Dominic is ahead in the family rivalry now Jamie?

If you are talking about the Fiat, then I think he just might be. Hows things anyway?

:eek: :cool:

Very impressive. :D


I love it.

any video?

Sweet.

yeah where's the new video.

Not bad for a race car. :D

Originally posted by 2MANYCARS
Not bad for a race car. :D

:lol:

Catching up ;)

1 7.797 174.41 4.964 140.66 1.159 85 Lancer RHD T72 Ptrim YES Ryan Garcia SKF Bearings
2 7.818 174.46 5.010 141.02 1.140 98 Talon Tsi outlaw AUTO T67/Ptrim YES David Buschur Buschur Racing Inc.
3 7.847 173.90 5.027 139.07 1.163 99 Eclipse outlaw GT 42 NO Brent Rau OSOFAST Racing Inc.
4 8.130 163.37 5.160 133.90 1.180 88 CRX T61 Ptrim YES Albert Lioe-a-tjam Buschur Racing Inc.
5 8.769 165.97 5.720 125.38 1.350 92 Talon Tsi FP T4 Secret YES John Shepherd Shepracing, Forced Performance, BJ's, ACT

All my buddies are DSM freaks.... I SOOO want the Rigoli's to beat Sheperd and Rau...

C'mon!!!

Out of those... the only 1 one thats comparable is Sheps car @ 8.7, and just under him the Glazers with 8.875 @ 153. Both AWD unibody '92 Talons.

BTW- both of those cars run nitrous... last I heard, Rigoli was all boost.

def

no rigoli runs N20 last I looked.. They need it to get that monster turbo spinning.

I think it is only like a 40 shot though.

Here it says no nitrous, at least for the dyno run, which leads one to believe the same for the track run:

http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/wrx_wagon_dragcar.html

def

actually it makes no mention of ANY nitrous set-up what-so-ever in the stats...

def

8's no nitrous is amazing. Those guys definitely know thier stuff. :D

Originally posted by dug-e-fresh
Here it says no nitrous, at least for the dyno run, which leads one to believe the same for the track run:

http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/wrx_wagon_dragcar.html

def

Rigolis use a dyno dynamics IIRC. 542whp on that dyno with the auto they have will yield trap speeds of that number.

It certainly is possible to make that power with the turbo they are using. I would imagine they are running mid 30psi approachign 40psi.

-Mike

Originally posted by WRXGuyInTulsa
All my buddies are DSM freaks.... I SOOO want the Rigoli's to beat Sheperd and Rau...

C'mon!!!

Depending on their trans, it might top out in a few more MPH.

That is something to think about. 8.4 might be max on the current set up?

Just wait till you see the RWD old school finally start it's trek. I believe it's tube framed but it's been a while since I talked to Jamie about it.


They should be finished here soon and ready to do some shakedowns.

Anybody notice from that picture of their wagon... They have the turbo right up front in front of the engine behind the front mount I/C... I'm sure that's helping with spooling.

Nice job. Pretty sweet. I also like how they are using the top mount for a radiator!

Is there a video up of this yet?

They are running somewhere in the realm of 42 psi (~2.8 bar) from what I have been able to gather...

542 seems low to me to trap that high... Extreme dynos around 700 on the bottle I think and they ran 8.79 @ 153.

Eh, maybe they do spray... maybe 542 is all boost...

def

Originally posted by dug-e-fresh

542 seems low to me to trap that high... Extreme dynos around 700 on the bottle I think and they ran 8.79 @ 153.

Eh, maybe they do spray... maybe 542 is all boost...

def

I'm with you; my car (Domestic-variety) ran almost the same ET and mph with ~ 800 hp and 2990 lbs......he's spraying it, unless his hp figure is off. :)

You can't really compare AWD HP to RWP. They just don't equate to each other. Trap speed is a result of the HP/Weight you can apply to the road over the 1/4 mile (not just peak HP). That's why peaky dyno queen cars don't run that great in the 1/4, they don't spend much time at that high HP level, and why certain RWD cars (although high HP) don't trap near as high as a equivalent AWD car.

An AWD car when dynoed shows how much net HP it puts to the road. A RWD car still has to overcome the front wheels rolling. A 500 AWD HP car will always pull a 500 RWD car.

dyno dynamics dynos seem to scale a little exponentially compared to dynojets as the HP increases. A 500WHP car on a dyno dynamics could be a 600-700WHP on a dynojet, while they are only 30HP off on the lower scale.

Overseas dyno's are well known to read lower than US dyno's, as a general rule. In OZ or UK, 300 whp is significantly faster than nearly any of our 300 whp vehicles. Its something of a joke overseas when americans post whp figures.:D

Different dynos read different. A supercharged Integra went to 2 local dynos recently on the same day with the same boost no changes and pulled a 168 whp on one and 208 whp on the other and it would have read higher had he gone to a dynojet. Both dynos it pulled on were Mustang dynos.

Those #'s are completely believeable IMO.

Originally posted by wgknestrick
You can't really compare AWD HP to RWP. They just don't equate to each other. Trap speed is a result of the HP/Weight you can apply to the road over the 1/4 mile (not just peak HP). That's why peaky dyno queen cars don't run that great in the 1/4, they don't spend much time at that high HP level, and why certain RWD cars (although high HP) don't trap near as high as a equivalent AWD car.

An AWD car when dynoed shows how much net HP it puts to the road. A RWD car still has to overcome the front wheels rolling. A 500 AWD HP car will always pull a 500 RWD car.

dyno dynamics dynos seem to scale a little exponentially compared to dynojets as the HP increases. A 500WHP car on a dyno dynamics could be a 600-700WHP on a dynojet, while they are only 30HP off on the lower scale.

For a statement like "A 500 AWD HP car will always pull a 500 RWD car." to hold true, requires WAY to many assumptions to be made.

As a rule of thumb, comparing dyno numbers REGARDLESS of rwhp/awhp/fwhp is pretty much useless, IMO.

Comparing numbers off the same dyno type in two locations will vary...

Comparing results on the SAME dyno on different days can swing whp 10% or more...

Now comparing different dynos... different dyno set-ups (2-wheel VS 4 wheel)... different locations and most likely vastly different environmental conditions....

well, it'd be like taking these 500 hp cars, making one Britney and the other Shakira and trying to determine whose hotter! lol!

Point being, they can both shake it!

Do I look at the numbers and make assumptions. Yes I do, I'll admit that.

BUT, when it comes down to it... who cares how much power its making... its running 8s!! Thats all that matters...

def

If 'they' have a dyno dynamics dyno and we have a dyno dynamics dyno. Both calibrated by the same guy, why will we read significantly higher?

-Mike

Cause the same dyno calibrated by the same guy on different days will read different... adding one more variable as significant as completely different dynos just adds more room for this variance...

def

Originally posted by dug-e-fresh
Cause the same dyno calibrated by the same guy on different days will read different...

def

significantly was the key word.

depends on your definition of significance... I have a statistics background and work in quality assurance... sooo significance has a whole other meaning to me than most others...

I know that "A" car can swing 30 or more horsepower depending on environmental conditions, same place, same week, heck in some cases the same day... and thats on something making only 3-400 whp.

def

Originally posted by MJU1983
If 'they' have a dyno dynamics dyno and we have a dyno dynamics dyno. Both calibrated by the same guy, why will we read significantly higher?

-Mike

At the end of the day, it should'nt MJU1983. The main variable why someones DD Dyno will read different to someones elses DD Dyno comes down to how honest the operator is (I'm not saying that you are dishonest). All DD Dyno's have the Intake Air Temp probe, and depending on where you put the probe in the engine bay will give vastly different readings.
I don't think you guys have got the new Shooutout 04 Software over there yet for your DD's, in this mode your dyno automatically prints out the Inlet Air Temp, RH, BP and Ambient Temp on the Graph, in this way those operators who are a little bit careless where they place the Inlet Air Probe are caught out.
The one thing they still do not do, is actually printout on the Graph how much correction is being applied.
Also, the Shootout Software stops the operator from using the "Extra Correction" function that is available at anytime in the normal software.
Just for anybody's reference, the Rigolo Dyno has a reputation for being one of the lower reading DD's over here, primarily because the last time I spoke to them they still had old software.

Originally posted by dug-e-fresh
Cause the same dyno calibrated by the same guy on different days will read different... adding one more variable as significant as completely different dynos just adds more room for this variance...

def

Sorry...but that's a load of crap. Calibrating dynos have NOTHING to do with weather.

Originally posted by 2000vfr800
Sorry...but that's a load of crap. Calibrating dynos have NOTHING to do with weather.

If you reread his posts, he's saying evironmental conditions affect whp readings, not dyno calibration.

Same is true w/drag racing...given all other variables are the same, on a hot/humid day, your car will be considerably slower than on a cold crisp day.

Oh...ok... I can see that now when I reread it... I thought he meant that if the same guy calibrated the same dyno on different days, you would get different numbers due to the different calibrations... My mistake. Sorry Dug...

No prob... :)

def

what is the 4WD 4cyl record?

Hard to say, I guess it all depends on what other guidelines you'd like to include... but ShepRacing went 8.769 @ 165.97 in a '92 Talon.

Thats the fastest AWD 4 cylinder car I know of...

def

yeah, that what I thought it was.

whooooooaaa.. what the!! Damn nice work

according to the website (http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/wrx_wagon_dragcar.html) there is no nitrus and running at 60psi. any way those are some impressive #s....nice

The 60 psi reference doesn't really specify if that was the boost level. Everything I have found talks of a 42 psi boost level for their race engines...

def

Hi guys,

A video of the run can be found here: Real Per4mance (http://www.realper4mance.com)

in answer to the boost question, we run 40psi (boost will be raised when the new microtech arrives, 45psi map sensor and third bank of injectors with seperate drivers). car has made 542hp without nitrous but with a tighter converter, the week of the 8.8 it was making 529hp with new converter. We have never used the nitrous on the dyno, it mostly runs about 50hp. We have had 4 attempts with a 125hp shot and all 4 have ended in fatalities. First 2 the car didn't make it off the line as we sheered rear axles, the 3rd we managed to shift into 2nd gear and sheered the converter bolts and the 4th time (the wednesday just passed) we almost made it to the 1000ft mark when we split a cylinder. the car 60ft'd 1.35 and went 5.64 at the 660ft mark then rolled through for a 9.34@114mph. Our best without nitrous is 9.00@150mph

<waiting for Al to pipe in to say his EVO is faster>

Nice job guys. Keep up the good work!!