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Edit 6/09
The Group Buy is officially over. After 3 sample products were built over the past several months, and after a number of product enhancements/improvements we are proud to introduce MadDad(TM) Metal, our aptly renamed downpipe. In production now for immediate availability. You folks who had pre-orders, we will begin our shipments to starting Monday. Thanks for the orders and support !

These photos are #1 of from the real production version of the downpipe.


T304 Stainless Steel right down to the flange. Hi-Flow Metal Substrate cat. 3" Primary plumbing. Quality TIG welds. Compatible with factory 3rd cat, Stromung Hi-Flow Metal Substrate 3rd cat, MadDad(TM) 3CE 3rd cat eliminator, and all bolt-on 3rd cat eliminators. Retail $419, $549 with MadDad(TM) 3CE, $699 with Stromung Hi-Flow Metal Substrate 3rd cat.

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Quality TIG welds
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Twin Dump with wastegate separator flange to avoid turbulence.
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The origonal - where this project started

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Edits 5/31
A major change to the production version of our MadDad(TM) Twin Dump Downpipe w/Hi-flow Cat will see it wearing a very high quality metal substrate cat in place of the ceramic based unit it was origonally spec'd with. After seeing the initial demand in way of many pre-orders, we were able to work a deal to build this downpipe with a hi flow metal substrate cat for a reasonable cost difference. Those that had an early pre-order were given a special offer on the "metal" version. We are going to let an adjusted(price) pre-order run till the end of this week. The downpipe starts production this week. We will have updated photo's by end of week.

Retail price is set at $419
Pre-Orders $359
Pre-Order Combo w/MadDad(TM) 3CE $519
Pre-Order Combo w/MadDad(TM) Halfback $709 (creates full 3" turboback w/Cat, less axleback exhaust)

Like all MadDad(TM) exhaust products you get a 14 day no question money back gaurantee(purchase price less freight). You don't get that from any other exhaust product line.

MadDad(TM) Halfback is due out by mid-June. It is a new 2 piece setup consisting of a new MadDad(TM) 3CE that stays 3" (as opposed to tapering back down to 2.5") and mates to our new 3" intermeidate pipe with SS flex-joint designed to mount to any 2.5" axleback. Take a MadDad(TM) Twin Dump Downpipe w/Hi-Flow Cat and MadDad(TM) Halfback and you have just completed a MadDad(TM) SuperStealth Turboback w/Hi-Flow Cat.

- Rich

Hi. How's the sound level and fit quality with the downpipe, 3CE and Borla hush? My current Helix / Hush combo's not too hush, so I'm looking for something a little more quiet, but still flows well.
-PGM

Fit and quality are excellent. They are part of the reason we feel confident in our money back gaurantee policy. The DP is built from a jig configured to the factory DP. As far as sound level. There is definately a noticable reduction in exhaust volume. Not night and day mind you, but enough that you notice the change. I've also found there is less apparent wastegate flutter as compared to some other downpipes. I have never used a Helix so I can not comment how it would compare in that regard. As far as performance I am out of my chair with excitement on how well this pipe performs with the EcuTek remap we were previously fine tuning for a catless downpipe. The car is actually stronger(more torque) with the cat in place than without. I posted some road dyno numbers in the Announcement forum where this item was origonally announced. Keep in mind that these numbers are with an EcuTek remap(but not retuned with the DP swap) and we have the downpipe mated to our MadDad(TM) 3CE pipe, which the catless DP was mated to as well. I'm installing a Borla Hush on the car this weekend. There should be no fitment issue at all. I've had 3 different exhausts all mated to our MadDad(TM) 3CE without any fitment issues since our MadDad(MT) 3CE uses a factory style 2.5" donut gasket connection. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Rich

Looks like a great product! My situation sounds exactly like what you were testing - Ecutek reflash for a catless DP and I want to add in a cat without having to reflash. Your tests sound encouraging.
Is there a pre-order price for the DP-3CE combo? I'd need both, although I realize that even at $469 it sounds like a good deal.

Originally posted by mhlady
Looks like a great product! My situation sounds exactly like what you were testing - Ecutek reflash for a catless DP and I want to add in a cat without having to reflash. Your tests sound encouraging.
Is there a pre-order price for the DP-3CE combo? I'd need both, although I realize that even at $469 it sounds like a good deal.

$469 is the pre-order combo price for the DP and 3CE. Our 3CE is normally $199. When pre-ordering with the DP your paying $150.

- Rich

following the development of your STEALTH line for a while....getting close! :)

however, w/all the updates and new introductions/revisions (3" non-tapering mid pipe), I'm getting a bit confused, regarding compatiblity/interchangability of the STEALTH parts w/OEM (stock) ones.

Basically, will the new, 3" midpipe bolt up to the OEM, axleback muffler?

What STEALTH route would one choose for using the whole, OEM cat back exhaust (midpipe & axleback)?

Any chance of getting the OEM turbo heatshield back on w/the Daddy's twin dump downpipe?

Finally, any CEL fixes required for running any (all) the STEALTH parts?

Thanks in advance,

CL

Originally posted by clsmooth71
following the development of your STEALTH line for a while....getting close! :)

however, w/all the updates and new introductions/revisions (3" non-tapering mid pipe), I'm getting a bit confused, regarding compatiblity/interchangability of the STEALTH parts w/OEM (stock) ones.

Basically, will the new, 3" midpipe bolt up to the OEM, axleback muffler?

What STEALTH route would one choose for using the whole, OEM cat back exhaust (midpipe & axleback)?

Any chance of getting the OEM turbo heatshield back on w/the Daddy's twin dump downpipe?

Finally, any CEL fixes required for running any (all) the STEALTH parts?

Thanks in advance,

CL

Factory Bolt-Ons that can be mixed and matched at will with the OEM pieces would be the DP and regular 3CE that has been out for some time. The new 3CE that is part of the "Halfback" does not use donut gasket, and stays 3" diameter and is intended to mate to our matching 3" intermediate pipe. Because its designed to mate with another flat flange(rather than donut gasket) the 3" intermediate pipe should also be a good matches to Helix/Invidia downpipes or similar downpipes that do not use the donut gasket.

In regards to cels. You will never get a cel by removing the 3rd cat because it comes after the rear 02 sensor and doesn't get measured. You should not receive a cel with our catted DP either. We really don't have the 10's of thousands of miles to make this claim with absolute authority, but with the cat doing its job, it simply shouldn't happen, and hasn't thus far.

If your looking to retain the factory "catback" section you are looking for the DP and the current 3CE that uses the donut gasket, which is the $469 combo above.

- Rich

Hey Rich,

Will you always have that combo deal for $469?

Originally posted by elixirvtec
Hey Rich,

Will you always have that combo deal for $469?

We'll always have some combo deal with the other MadDad(TM) exhaust products, but they will be a few $$ higher, more like $499.

- Rich

Man, I've been waiting for this group buy. :D

I'll order tomorrow!

our new 3" intermeidate pipe with SS flex-joint designed to mount to any 2.5" axleback.

So if I have a Helix 3" DP and a 2.5" Prodrive axleback (both with flat flanges), I can replace my OEM center-rear pipe with this new pipe you're coming out with? How does this pipe taper? And what's the ETA?

Originally posted by dawrxisdashyet
So if I have a Helix 3" DP and a 2.5" Prodrive axleback (both with flat flanges), I can replace my OEM center-rear pipe with this new pipe you're coming out with? How does this pipe taper? And what's the ETA?

Yes, that is the idea. Keep in mind our first priority was to have it mate with our own pieces but we made some decisions in design that should make it a good fit for the Helix. We don't carry the Helix ourselves so we will obviously need the first Helix "beta" tester to be 100% sure of the fitment. If the factory 2.5" pipe fits the Helix(and it does of course) then our pipe should as well since the bolt arrangement(and pipe length) is the same and we are using a flat flange rather than the flared trumpet of most intermediate pipes. So this pipe is designed for a standard flat crush gasket rather than the thick donut gasket that the factory 3rd cat pipe needs. We also put the flex joint in knowing you don't have that with the Helix designed flange arrangement. The pipe stays 3" until you get to the end where it mates with the axleback. It necks down smoothly to mate with the 2.5" flange at that point. ETA is before end of month, but the later half for sure. Pics will be posted as soon as they arrive.

- Rich

hmmm... making me consider giving up going for the TXS system (since I'm still missing the DP). wonder how much i can get for those two pieces and possibly switch to yours.

Originally posted by Daddy's SCP
Yes, that is the idea. Keep in mind our first priority was to have it mate with our own pieces but we made some decisions in design that should make it a good fit for the Helix. We don't carry the Helix ourselves so we will obviously need the first Helix "beta" tester to be 100% sure of the fitment. If the factory 2.5" pipe fits the Helix(and it does of course) then our pipe should as well since the bolt arrangement(and pipe length) is the same and we are using a flat flange rather than the flared trumpet of most intermediate pipes. So this pipe is designed for a standard flat crush gasket rather than the thick donut gasket that the factory 3rd cat pipe needs. We also put the flex joint in knowing you don't have that with the Helix designed flange arrangement. The pipe stays 3" until you get to the end where it mates with the axleback. It necks down smoothly to mate with the 2.5" flange at that point. ETA is before end of month, but the later half for sure. Pics will be posted as soon as they arrive.

- Rich

Cool! If you'll need a Helix beta tester, let me know.

Wow, that is the exact exhaust setup that I was just asking another vendor if they could put together for me. How long is the pre-sale price going to last? I think someone else already mentioned it as well, but any chance of getting the stock heat shield back on?(cutting req. I assume)

edit: Just to make sure, is the DP full 3", ie. it does not taper to 2.5" to mate to factory 3rd cat sections? One last thing, do you have a more specific date when you will have these in and able to ship(I have access to a lift 1st Saturday of the month, which sadly is May 1)

OK, maybe I'm not reading this correctly, but does the intermediate pipe stay 3"?

From what I get it's 2.5" at the end which to me defeats the purpose. I'm really happy to see the full 3" CE, but I'm just a bit confused with the intermediate.

I'm going for a FULL 3" all the way because I'll be running a 3" straight pipe or turn down axle section for racing. I certainly don't need it tapering to 2.5".

Thanks & Happy Easter!!!

slack20123 - The pre-sale pricing will be valid until we receive our first run which is expected by the end of the month. We should be able to get product to you in time for your May 1 date. Yes, the DP exits 3". It uses the flange we used for our MadDad(TM) 3CE and is similiar to Stromungs twin dump downpipes setup(as far as the flanges are concerned). Haven't tried putting the heatshield back on yet.

Orion - You do have it correct. The intermediate pipe section makes a slight taper at the end so it can be used with the likes of Prodrive, ScoobySport, Stromung and a number of other bolt-on axleback exahuts, all of which use a 2.5" flange. It also makes for a nice stealthback setup for those that are looking to keep the factory exhaust as well, put still reap most of the benefit of a 3" exhaust system. It really doesn't defeat the purpose with the taper primarily because we're so far downstream at this point that exahaust pressure is no where near what it is up by the turbo. The primary flow difference will be how well your 2.5" axleback flows at this point. Also keep in mind many of the 3" catback exhausts have a 2.5" taper where they meet with the factory 3rd cat(or DP). There are some pure 3" systems out there though. Take a Helix DP and a Vibrant catback for instance. Put those to together and bamn, there's 3" from the turbo back. What's ironic about the whole thing is that the turbo exists 2.5" no mater what you have after it.

- Rich

I haven't been able to find any pictures of your new halfback. I was wondering if the new two-piece, 3" halfback would have the same "appearance" as your standard 3CE. I would like a rather stock-looking appearance under the car up to where my Greddy EVO starts.

Also, just want to confirm that the catted DP is also made of stainless steel (especially if this first run will not be ceramic coated).


thank you

Originally posted by Dude
I haven't been able to find any pictures of your new halfback. I was wondering if the new two-piece, 3" halfback would have the same "appearance" as your standard 3CE. I would like a rather stock-looking appearance under the car up to where my Greddy EVO starts.

Also, just want to confirm that the catted DP is also made of stainless steel (especially if this first run will not be ceramic coated).


thank you

We don't have have the one-off on the Halfback setup yet. Some delays with the ss flex section. The first sourced ss flex sections were poor quality so it's taking slightly longer. The 3CE portion will be like the current 3CE with the same heatshield installed in the same spot as the current 3CE we sell. The only difference will be the flange that connects to the intermediate pipe. It will be a standard 3" flange with a thin flat gasket rather than the factory donut. We'll have photos up as soon as we have something to show. The DP will be stainless steel, including the flanges. The only non SS part is the heatshield on the cat.

- Rich

OK... So in all my glorious ignorance, I've got a few questions...

I have a greddy sp2 catback, which has a non donut gasket intermediate pipe... So I would need the 3" 3ce and the dp, right? and I'd be golden?

--fed

ps: what kind of cat are you using in there?

Originally posted by wop138
OK... So in all my glorious ignorance, I've got a few questions...

I have a greddy sp2 catback, which has a non donut gasket intermediate pipe... So I would need the 3" 3ce and the dp, right? and I'd be golden?

--fed

ps: what kind of cat are you using in there?

We're going to need to verify whether the new 3" 3CE will be universally compatible with the all of the "non" donut gasket friendly catbaks, but shooting from the hip it should be good to go. We'll offer a no questions refund if it doesn't. We're using a 3" CarSound/MagnaFlow Hi-Flow Cat.

- Rich

I notice your cat is higher up in the dp then some other catted dps and the piping from the wastegate is forced to enter much sooner than most divorced wastegate dp's. Does it still seem to flow correctly? No turbulence when the wastegate gasses enter the main exhaust stream?

Welp, I've got my preorder in :) As of right now it's pretty nasty with the stock midpipe w/donut and the sp2...

thanks for the reply,
fed

Originally posted by Daddy's SCP
We don't have have the one-off on the Halfback setup yet. Some delays with the ss flex section. The first sourced ss flex sections were poor quality so it's taking slightly longer.

Hi. What about people that just ordered your downpipe and 3CE with donut gasket? Will those ship out earlier since they don't have the flex section problem?
Thanks,
-PGM

Jon-RIWRX - I know your fairly local. Feel frem to PM me to hook up and take my car for a ride so you can see how it feels. The setup works great. We're gambling that having the cat in the upper section like the factory vs. lower(which in reality is less restrictive) will help curb the crazy boost spikes STi owners currently(and some WRX owners) see with the current crop of downpipes(catless that is), in particular when the weather gets cold. I realize much of this can be cured by switching maps(duty cyle) if your lucky enough to have the engine management that lets you do that, but not everyone has that so we decided to go this route. The cat is in about the same position as the factory cat but the pipe diameter is much greater and the cat itself flows better. So far performance seems damn good by me, although I'm currently the only judge and one would guess I am a little biased:D We're doing the 2 week MBG so there is very little risk. Get in touch with me if you want to take my car for a run.

wop138 - You know, if your Greddy works with the stock 3rd cat pipe, it would work with our standard 3CE for sure, put lets see if our 3" 3CE does it for you.

PGM - We got the regular 3CE's in stock. Our DP and our other new pipes(3" 3CE and 3" intermediate) will probably hit our door around the same time.

For everyone's benefit, there are a couple of small reasons for the delay in the DP.

1) Even though it's a stainless steel product, the flanges were origonally spec'd as being aluminized, which is farily common with many stainless steel products. We've decided to upgrade our spec to have stainless steel flanges as well. At the end of the day there would have been nothing wrong with aluminized flanges due to there thinkness, but I figure for the extra $10-15 it's worth it from a marketing perspective to say our flanges are SS. This has caused some delay becuase new flanges need to be cut.

2) We're doing one more one-off because the one that is installed on my car is about 1/4" too far to the left where it connects to the 3rd cat pipe(or 3CE). It fits but I had to remove the bolt that secures the 3CE to give me the extra play. I'd rather delay an extra week or two to make sure this is perfect. The pipe is build on a jig matched to the factory DP but for some reason were off just a tad, so this needs to be addressed before we do the deed.

Lastly, we are going to be working with a performance shop that some local folks know, KTR Performance, to develop an EcuTek reflash that is matched to the DP and 3CE combo. KTR uses a Dyno Dynamics AWD dyno and we will post the final results. This will end up being a little more money than say a Cobb reflash but it will be build to these exact parts. We won't be encrypting the reflash so if you ever totally change out your parts any EcuTek tuner can reflash you without them eating a reflash license. Longer term plans will be for a higher performance reflash for those of you running our DP and 3CE combo along with your choice of catless uppipe. For all of you with your orders in, thanks for your patience.

- Rich

Well, I wouldn't say the greddy "works" with the stock midpipe :-) When I torqued the supplied bolts, i snapped them and bent the midpipe flange... because the intermediate pipe and midpipe don't mate properly... I think it was designed for something exactly like your new 3ce... you couldn't have had better timing to come out with this (for me at least!!!).

thx again,
fed

ps: ss bolts rocks... much stronger...

What kind of catalytic converter do you guys use? Have you tested the emissions output from using it as the sole cat?

Originally posted by NeoteriX
What kind of catalytic converter do you guys use? Have you tested the emissions output from using it as the sole cat?

We use a CarSound/MagnaFlow converter. Have not tested it as the sole cat. My test mule still has the factory uppipe cat in it and will remain that way until our EcuTek map is done. MangaFlow specifies all there converters as being ODB-II/EPA Compliant, though I can't say just yet how it would perform as the sole converter.

- Rich

Originally posted by Daddy's SCP
We use a CarSound/MagnaFlow converter. Have not tested it as the sole cat. My test mule still has the factory uppipe cat in it and will remain that way until our EcuTek map is done. MangaFlow specifies all there converters as being ODB-II/EPA Compliant, though I can't say just yet how it would perform as the sole converter.

- Rich

Actually, that's fine -- I'm actually moreso interested on what the emissions, performance, and noise levels are like with the stock uppipe in it, I just figured that you would have most likely been testing on a decatted car, so I would use those #s as the conservative baseline :)

Is the car with a relatively quiet catback (like the Stromung) significantly louder with the uppipe and your catted downpipe in place (versus a stock catted car with just the catback).

Also, is there a significant performance decrease by having the 3" downpipe/3ce tubing funnel into 2.5" catback piping?

Lastly, is there anywhere we can look up more specific information about the Mangaflow cat? Dimensions, composition, design? Metallic substrate? Ceramic? Honeycomb design? What temps the cat needs to be at to be most optimal, how long it would normally take for the cat to warm up to full efficiency?

Thanks~

Does the catted DP come equipped with a bung for the factory 02 sensor?

Originally posted by Dude
Does the catted DP come equipped with a bung for the factory 02 sensor?

Dude - No need. The rear 02 sensor is in the 3rd cat pipe not the primary DP section. Our 3CE pipe does have the bung for the factory 02.

- Rich

Me to on all of the above!

How much am I looking for this new catted DP and new 3CE pipe shipped to CA94015? How long do I have to wait? Hey Rich, I already ask you: What about it didn't fit my HKS exhaust? Can I get my full $ back?
Thanks Andy

Originally posted by orwrx
How much am I looking for this new catted DP and new 3CE pipe shipped to CA94015? How long do I have to wait? Hey Rich, I already ask you: What about it didn't fit my HKS exhaust? Can I get my full $ back?
Thanks Andy

After speaking with our exhaust fabricator last week, my best ETA is May 14th. Unfortunately my fabricator is west coast and we are east coast so just transit to us when they are done is a week burnt. If your HKS fits the factory DP and 3rd cat it will have no issue here, but we offer a no questions 2 week money back guarantee, less freight, on all MadDad(TM) exhaust products.

- Rich

That sound awsome! No one can offer money back guarantee like you guys. How can I order it? When I will expect to see it rich? I forgot how much was it for hiflow DP and new 3" catless midpipe cost?
Thanks Andy

Originally posted by orwrx
That sound awsome! No one can offer money back guarantee like you guys. How can I order it? When I will expect to see it rich? I forgot how much was it for hiflow DP and new 3" catless midpipe cost?
Thanks Andy

Andy,

Use the link found in the opening post. It links to a pre-order part # on the website. When you place the order select the "3CE" +$150 option. Your not charged by the website, it just securley garther you billing data. We hope to have product by the 14th of May.

- Rich

Hi Rich,

Do you have any larger pictures? I'm especially interested in where the wastegate gasses return into the main pipe.

This looks very interesting.

Thanks!
Mike

Originally posted by crazymikie
Hi Rich,

Do you have any larger pictures? I'm especially interested in where the wastegate gasses return into the main pipe.

This looks very interesting.

Thanks!
Mike


I'm in California for the next two days. I'll get a larger photo online this weekend when I'm back.

- Rich

Hey folks,

Production is going to start next week and product will be shipping to us next week. Although we are a bit late, we will be shipping to everyone this month. A lot you guys have had your orders in for a solid month. I appreciate your patience, we're just about there.

- Rich

Originally posted by Daddy's SCP
Hey folks,

Production is going to start next week and product will be shipping to us next week. Although we are a bit late, we will be shipping to everyone this month. A lot you guys have had your orders in for a solid month. I appreciate your patience, we're just about there.

- Rich


Thank you for keeping us updated. Please take your time and take care of fitment issue if any. I think nothing is worst than getting a part with high expectation and then find out it does not fit, and spend time trying to put the stocker back in place is a painful experience. I trust SCP, just want you to know that takes the time you need. :)

Hey folks,

Time for an update. We had a second DP fitting and the initial fitment issue we had has been resolved. Our fabricator has the thumbs up from us to start production, which should be this Friday, with the first run expected to be shipping to us next week, along with enough 3CE pipes to cover the almost 1 to 1 ratio of 3CE's to DP's ordered. A couple of you boys ordered your DP along with the MadDad(TM) Halback. I'm running the rev one version of the Halfback on my car now and it is nice, but the Halfback will be available about a week to 10 days after the DP while we evaluate one other flex joint before we commit to the one we will be using. I appreciate the patience you folks have had. Many of you have had your pre-order in since day one.

Rich

Glad to hear the Halfback is coming along nicely. Seem to be putting a lot of attention towards the flex joint, which is good to hear since it seems like it could be an issue if not properly researched. Any word on the introductory price on the halfback?

rich,

any new pics??

So whats the price on the DP with the cat and the midpipie? or is the 3ec the midpipe...and was wondering if you knew if this would connect to a 76 MM invidia catback exhaust?

Please post here or e-mail at gundam06@yahoo.com

Thanks

Originally posted by Beeker
So whats the price on the DP with the cat and the midpipie? or is the 3ec the midpipe...and was wondering if you knew if this would connect to a 76 MM invidia catback exhaust?

Please post here or e-mail at gundam06@yahoo.com

Thanks

We'll be posting some revised pricing before the weekend is out. We just sent an announcement to eveyone that had a pre-order of a last minute major change. We have switched to a higher flowing metal subtrate cat vs. the hi-flow ceramic we origonally had. Even better flow, better long term durability, and smoother transition of the wastegate tube back into the primary pipe. Price will go up slightly, retail will be around $399 - $429 on the DP by itself. Approx $549 with a 3CE combo. The group buy is being pulled as of now. Production is starting Tuesday. If your Invida mates to the factory 3rd cat, it will mate to our DP and 3CE combo. ANY catback that will work with the factory 3rd cat will work with our DP and 3CE combo as we retain the use of the factory donut gasket.

- Rich

Rich

I thought your newer 3" midpipe not using donut anymore because they are 3" all the way instead of the older style 3CE midpipe which is 3" taper to 2.5".
Andy

Originally posted by orwrx
I thought your newer 3" midpipe not using donut anymore because they are 3" all the way instead of the older style 3CE midpipe which is 3" taper to 2.5".
Andy

orwrx - By mid June we'll have 2 models of the 3CE. The standard one that has been out since December 03(the one that tapers back down to 2.5"), and a new model due mid June that is intended to be part of our "Halfback" exhaust combo, which is a full 3" 3CE that does not taper, and a 3" Intermediate pipe with stainless steel flex joint that does a small taper at the end of the pipe to mate with the factory axleback or any bolt-on performance axleback. The 3CE and Intermediate pipe that make up this combo should work independently of each other but we have not tested either piece with other products. They were designed to meet the flange points of the factory pieces so I have a high degree of confidence that they will work with a variety of setups, like a Helix DP and the 3" intermediate pipe for instance, or the 3CE with true 3" catbacks that don't taper down. We'll need to get a few pieces in the field to know for sure. We'll shoot some updated posts when we know for sure.

We know at this point that retail on the DP by itself will be $419, and a combo with the 3CE will be $559. Keep in mind this is with a high flow metal substrate cat. Due to very good pre-order demand we were able to work a deal to put in a metal substrate cat without too much of a premium. I'm updating the pre-order price tonight and have decided to let it run till the end of the week. Folks that arleady had a pre-order in got an extra special deal. Production starts this week.

Rich

WOW, now it's $419 for the DP. I thought it was $319 for the DP and add $150 for the new 3CE when me and my friend ordered last SAT. I understand the metal cat costs more, but if it costs $100 more, I will go with another route because I can't afford a DP with midpipe for $559. I migth have to ask to backout my name on your list
Andy

Originally posted by orwrx
WOW, now it's $419 for the DP. I thought it was $319 for the DP and add $150 for the new 3CE when me and my friend ordered last SAT. I understand the metal cat costs more, but if it costs $100 more, I will go with another route because I can't afford a DP with midpipe for $559. I migth have to ask to backout my name on your list
Andy

Andy,

$419 is the retail price once the pre-orders are done and gone. If you ordered a week ago you'd be paying $319 + a small cost increase for the metal substrate cat, that was detailed in an email sent last week. No worry. If your pre-order was in before today your getting quite the deal still. PM if you have any concerns.


Rich

Argh. Just got back from a business trip. You guys changed to a metal substrate cat? :eek: I would have jumped on the presale in an instant had that been in the original spec. :(

Originally posted by Daddy's SCP
We use a CarSound/MagnaFlow converter. Have not tested it as the sole cat. My test mule still has the factory uppipe cat in it and will remain that way until our EcuTek map is done. MangaFlow specifies all there converters as being ODB-II/EPA Compliant, though I can't say just yet how it would perform as the sole converter.

- Rich

is the new metal cat also carsound/magnaflow?

While I almost don't believe it myself, the MadDad(TM) Twin Dump Downpipe w/Hi-Flow Metal cat is shipping(to us) tomorrow. We hope to be able to fill all pre-orders for a Monday ship date. Number one off the production line is being over nighted to us so we can photoshoot a "real" production pipe. Over the past couple of months this downpipe has gone through some changes, all for the better. Specifically, MIG welds to TIG welds, mild steel flanges to Stainless Steel flanges(100% SS) and a hi-flow ceramic cat to a very high flow metal substrate cat of even higher quality. We honestly beleive that this downpipe when combined with a MadDad(TM) 3CE or MadDad(TM) Halfback will make for one of the best catted solutions on the market. And just as a reminder, all of our MadDad(TM) exhaust products come with a 14 day(from the date it lands at your location) no questions money back guarantee. Consider that when you make your next exhaust purchase. To those of you who who had a pre-order in up till this post, we have a special thanks. Your only going to be charged $25 for your upgrade to your metal substarte cat. This is less than what we origonally told you in our update email a week ago. It's Daddy's way of saying thanks for hanging in there while we worked through the production issues and specification changes. Be on the lookout for more cool MadDad(TM) exhaust announcements in the coming weeks. We're not done yet.

New Photos will be up tomorrow night.

IntraWRX - Its not a Magnaflow retail product, but comes from our exhaust fabricators carsound/magnaflow source.

Edit 6/09
The Group Buy is officially over. After 3 sample products were built over the past several months, and after a number of product enhancements/improvements we are proud to introduce MadDad(TM) Metal, our aptly renamed downpipe. In production now for immediate availability. You folks who had pre-orders, we will begin our shipments to starting Monday. Thanks for the orders and support !

These photos are of #1 from the real production run of the downpipe.


T304 Stainless Steel right down to the flange. Hi-Flow Metal Substrate cat. 3" Primary plumbing. Quality TIG welds. Compatible with factory 3rd cat, Stromung Hi-Flow Metal Substrate 3rd cat, MadDad(TM) 3CE 3rd cat eliminator, and all bolt-on 3rd cat eliminators. Retail $419, $549 with MadDad(TM) 3CE, $699 with Stromung Hi-Flow Metal Substrate 3rd cat.

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_metal.jpg

Quality TIG welds
http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_metal_2.jpg

Twin Dump with wastegate separator flange to avoid turbulence.
http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_metal_3.jpg


The origonal - where this project started

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp_med.jpg http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/maddad_dp_installed_med.jpg

do you have any left after filling pre orders?
figures, i just got my perrin in and now this is ready:confused:

can a catted dp be coated, or is that not recommended?

:eek: very nice piece... I will be considering your DP+halfback to replace my catless setup.

when will the "Half-back" be ready for shipping? I'd like to see some updated pictures of that once you get the final versions.

Originally posted by Wagon Joe
:eek: very nice piece... I will be considering your DP+halfback to replace my catless setup.

when will the "Half-back" be ready for shipping? I'd like to see some updated pictures of that once you get the final versions.

The Halfback will go into production near the end of the month. Our 2nd prototype of the Intermediate pipe with a different stainless steel flex joint will be arriving late next week. Once I get to look at it and drive with it I will make a decision as to whether it's worth the extra $$ for this particular flex joint. Truth is I've been driving with the current Halfback, and most recently the Halfback with the new downpipes and it so friggin smooth I almost think save everyone a few $$ and go with what we've got(for the flex joint), but I can't bring myself to it. My experience with the DP has proved to me that making a few different versions of a part and testing each can really result in a better product. Sometimes you just need to build it, try it, and go build it again. In the meantime here's a pic of what was the most common pre-order combo for the DP. Also, with the DP finally sorted out, we will be providing an EcuTek based performance map designed explicity for this DP and the 3CE/Halfback combos. No generic maps sold here.

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/metal_combo.jpg

That thing is officially sick. :banana:

Yeah I didn't jump on the presale because I figured the money should go elsewhere, and I could take the $60 hit to buy it when I was ready... but I swear to you, by the end of the summer, that will be mine.

ps - I'm really glad you guys went with the metallic substrate. That friggin rocks! :)

I have had my order in for two months for that combo, and it sure looks like it was worth the wait. Way to go Rich!!!

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/metal_combo.jpg

when that's done. you've got my business again!!!!! please post any dyno results. thx!

Rich
I don't get this because you keep saying different things like now you are using the dount gasket at the end of your 3CE. I thought you are having the flat crush gasket on the the 3" midpipe because the factory dount gasket are 2.5" ID or you just didn't show us the pics on the new 3" 3CE. I am pretty sure the factory dount gasket will not mate my HKS carbon exhaust pefectly. Please verifiy this.

Andy..:banana:

There are TWO different versions of the 3CE. The version above tapers at the end to 2.5" and adapts to the factory donut gasket. The second version without the taper is a full 3" version was designed to mate to the 3" halfback and does not taper. This was very clearly described by Rich in his multiple previous posts.

Personally, I'd love to see a stainless steel silencer spliced into the halfback portion to further decrease exhaust noise. When I receive my halfback, I'll probably have an extra silencer welded in to give me a quieter stealth exhaust.

Originally posted by orwrx
Rich
I don't get this because you keep saying different things like now you are using the dount gasket at the end of your 3CE. I thought you are having the flat crush gasket on the the 3" midpipe because the factory dount gasket are 2.5" ID or you just didn't show us the pics on the new 3" 3CE. I am pretty sure the factory dount gasket will not mate my HKS carbon exhaust pefectly. Please verifiy this.

Andy..:banana:

Andy,

Badkid has it correct. I know you and I have traded a few emails regarding the 3CE as well. As badkid mentioned, by end of month there will be a 2nd 3CE available. While is was originally intended as 1 of 2 pieces in our "Halfback" setup, it should also serve as a stand alone piece to meet the special need of some folks such as yourself that has a true 3" catback without any tapers. When you order your combo you'll want to just remind me you want yours with the full 3" 3CE. Unless someone were to specifically ask, they would get the standard 3CE which is guaranteed fitment.

Rich

I saw Rich at the Fitchburg auto show last Fri. night. He had his first actual production run DP in the trunk. Considering that I was at the top of the list, he gave it to me. It is beautiful! He is supposed to send out the 3CE to me today, along with the gasket & hardware. I hope to get it all installed this Fri. so that I can have it on the car for Epping on Sunday.
I am keeping the factory mid pipe on for now, just because of the resonator. We will see what it sounds like with the Stromung twin tip.

We shipped all the pipes we got in to users that had them on b/o. We shipped in the order we received orders. At this point only about half the b/o's have been shipped. I'm promised the other half this Friday, but we'll see. Track #'s have just been emaied to those people who's pipes went out. If you didn't receive a track # your still on the b/o list and we'll keep you posted.

Rich

What do I need to buy to install the down pipe... gaskets, bolts ?

Rich
Are you gonna make the catless DP? When? Price?

Andy

WRXBob - We don't include a turbo to DP gasket. While not a neccesity it's recommended. I have Subaru OEM branad gasket. They are 21.95. We include the DP to 3rd cat pipe(or 3CE) gasket and an extra set of bolts/nuts in case anything snaps when you remove the stock piece(s).

orwrx - Andy, we announced the spec on our catless DP, but we won't have an announced price for about another week, but it should be in the $339-$369 range and of course there will be a pre-order discount buy-in once we have the #'s all squared away and a prototype to show in the coming couple of weeks.

- Rich

rich,

any dyno #'s??

I got my piece today and wow, what a beatiful piece of work. But the flange got some deep grinding mark that when I checked with a muffler shop they said it won't seal! I hate to do it but I would like to send it back for another one.

Originally posted by WRXBob
I got my piece today and wow, what a beatiful piece of work. But the flange got some deep grinding mark that when I checked with a muffler shop they said it won't seal! I hate to do it but I would like to send it back for another one.

Bob, sorry you had an issue. Shoot me an email with your order # so I can mark you down for a replacement. We're still waiting on the second half of our initial shipment to fill the origonal pre-orders, but we will replace this for you. If you have the ability to send a digitial photo that would be great. Fire it to daddy@daddysscp.com if you could.

J*Bishop - I've got plans to hit KTR Performance's Dyno Dynamics dyno in the next couple of weeks. They will be working on our specific remap designed around this downpipe. We'll have Dyno charts of the before and after when the job is done.

- Rich

I do not have a digital camera, but I will try to borrow one tomorrow and take a photo for you. From just the look of it, I really love the construction of the down pipe and can't wait to install. The problem I have is simply from some one cleaning the flange too excessively creating deep depression. I will PM you.

thx rich!!

Jeez, i am absolutely FOAMING out the mouth for all these products you are coming out with! Now i cant decide to wait for the race downpipe, or go with the hi-flow downpipe to hook up to my prodrive...why must u make it so difficult!! Well you will have my business when its all said and done. Beautiful work and great research, truly coming out with a great product will only benifit you and every other suby lover out here. great job!

To the rest of the folks that are still waiting for your pre-orders, they are shipping today and we should have them about this time next week. Sorry for the delays.
- R.

hey rich. on the first page you had the high flow cat for 699 I think but the below that you didnt have it price again. Can you give me a price for that cus I m looking into the 3 in down pipe and i really didnt want to remove all my cats. But I saw that you made this so I like it.

thanks you can either PM me or email me CurtCivic01@hotmail.com

Also let me know what it is with shipping.

Curt

Originally posted by Daboro's Rex
hey rich. on the first page you had the high flow cat for 699 I think but the below that you didnt have it price again. Can you give me a price for that cus I m looking into the 3 in down pipe and i really didnt want to remove all my cats. But I saw that you made this so I like it.

thanks you can either PM me or email me CurtCivic01@hotmail.com

Also let me know what it is with shipping.

Curt

I'll PM you but thought I'd post here for some general clarity. Our MadDad Metal with a MadDad 3CE is $549. Freight runs about $10-15 depending on zip. The $699 is if you want two hi-flow metal substrate cats. Our MadDad Metal is a replacment for just the factory downpipe(2nd cat). 95% of the the orders we have received for it have a MadDad 3CE 3rd cat eliminator purchased with it since removal of the 3rd cat will not throw a cel and will free up a few more ponies. You can also use our MadDad Metal with the factory 3rd cat, but we also offer a combo with a Stromung hi-flow metal substrate 3rd cat if you really want to be a green machine but flow the best you can. So that $699 is for a MadDad Metal hi-flow metal substrate DP and Stromung hi-flow metal substrate replacement for your factory 3rd cat. Freight range would be the same with either combo.

- Rich

OK this is odd,

To Phil Heydorn, your MadDad(TM) Metal & 3CE combo is shipping. It's been a while and I have misplaced your phone #. I shipped it to the Papola Off Road address you requested. Hope you see this, if so shoot me a PM or email and I'll send you your track #. Freight was $9.95

- Rich

i have a blitz catback exhuast right now. im considering this halfback without cats when it comes out and i just want to clarify something.


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the first joint is where the dp tapers to 2.5 to meet the blitz midpipe? i beileve im not sure the second joint is where it meets the axeback i believe it is 3 inches.


what would the halfback replace? im sorry im kinda new.. my birthday is coming up and i think im going to treat myself to one of these =D.. thanks


again please criticize me for my childish drawings =D haha


also again. i was wonder whether the setup will be 3" all the way that is what i am aiming towards thanks

I think all you need now is just the DP itself to connect your Blitz. You don't need the halfback because you already have your Blitz midpipe. Halfback is for ppl that have axleback exhaust like Prodrive, scoobysports, STI or so. Correct me Rich if I'm wrong.

Andy

wi11 - The factory exhaust after the turbo is made up of 4 pieces. Some downpipes replace the fist two which can cause some confusion when discussing the subject. Our downpipe only replaces one piece. So your image should look like this:

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_axleback_|___intermediate___|_3rdcat_|_DP__|


MadDad(TM) Metal repalce the DP
MadDad(TM) 3CE replace 3rd or MadDad(TM) 3CE full 3"

Now, the Halfback is a two pipe setup that includes a full 3" 3CE(3rd cat eliminator) and a new 3" intermediate pipe with stainless steel flex joint. Since you already have a catback exhaust that replaces the intermediate pipe, you really don't have a need to replace the intermedaite pipe. So you are most likely looking at a MadDadT(TM) Metal with one of the two 3CE optoins. You need to be careful with the 3CE optoins because if you choose the full 3" version it is implied that your intermediate pipe is designed to mate to a 3" flange and thin crush gasket. Many catback exahusts are designed to mate with the factory style donut gasket and for that you need the origonal 3CE with the taper. If unsure, get the 3CE with the taper. Bottom line is if your catback works with the stock factory 3rd cat, it will definatley mate perfect with our standard 3CE with the taper. If you want to keep your factory 3rd cat all you need is the MadDad(TM) Metal by itself. It is a bolt-on compatible piece to the factory pipe, but best performance will be achieved by replacing the factory 3rd cat with the 3CE. Hope this all makes sense.

- Rich

How's the development of the halfback going? Also, Rich, have you confirmed no CELs on a 2004 wrx with your downpipe? The rear O2 sensor is a bit more sensitive in the 2004 model, and I have been getting a P0139 with my PDE catless downpipe (which has a "mechanical fix" that is supposed to eliminate CELs). Several others with 2004's have had the same issue. If you can confirm CEL-free on a 2004, I will definitely make the switch to MadDad.

Cheers,
Joe

I know this thread is a bit older, but which 3CE does one need to mate to a Borla Hush? Thanks.

the original one that tapers down to 2.5

Wagon Joe - We're waiting on the shipment of the flex joints we settled on. The rest of the parts are sitting and waiting. We have the 3" 3CE in house right now. In regards to the MadDad Metal and no cels, thus far we have no reported cels with the 04 customers we've shipped to, including STi's.

westphalia - J*Bishop has it correct.

J*Bishop - I've got plans to hit KTR Performance's Dyno Dynamics dyno in the next couple of weeks. They will be working on our specific remap designed around this downpipe. We'll have Dyno charts of the before and after when the job is done.
- Rich

Rich did you ever get to this?

Rich,
When you expect the one piece CATLESS DP come around? Still waiting for it.....

Andy

Rich,

Is is possible to have the downpipe ceramic coated on the exterior? will it mess up the cat if it is coated?

WRX03 - I just haven't had time to schedule it yet. I spoke with the guys at KTR a couple of weeks ago. I'm hoping have it schedule this month. Their tuner specialist was out on sick leave for a while, but he's back and we all pretty pumped about putting together the "power packs", just gotta find the time and make it happen.

orwrx - I was hoping to have the one off done by now, but my exhaust fabricator is absolutely swamped, and this project requires a new jig(like a 3D template to make sure the part you make fits) which is time consuming. We're definately pushing to have something to show ASAP. I should have a better handle on it and an updated ETA in a day or two.

methinkadoo - It's OK to ceramic coat the pipe. I personally wouldn't coat the cat section, although this is a metal substrate cat and can handle a higher heat range than a ceramic based cat, but still, I would err on the long term safe side and skip coated the cat. We have no intention at this point of ceramic coating the pipe ourselves. We just came out with a new Turbo heatshield for anyone that want to get the heat of the engine bay(the shield has the a chimney stack to vent through the hood scoop.

Rich

Im all over the halfback "Stealth Back" in TXS terms if you belive this system will work corectly with a Cobb Stage 2 Reflash. I see that you are going to custom tune another form of engine managment. But i am already set on the Cobb. Thanks alot for all this great work!


PS Do you happen to have any pics of your awsome halfback yet?

Im all over the halfback "Stealth Back" in TXS terms if you belive this system will work corectly with a Cobb Stage 2 Reflash. I see that you are going to custom tune another form of engine managment. But i am already set on the Cobb. Thanks alot for all this great work!


PS Do you happen to have any pics of your awsome halfback yet?

http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/halfback_1.jpg
http://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/halfback_2.jpghttp://www.daddysscp.com/nasioc/halfback_3.jpg

These are from the origonal prototype. The 3CE ended up perfect so what you see here is the final version of the 3CE. The final intermediate pipe is identical except for the flex joint. We sourced a higher end flex joint with a smoother inner wall, but other than the flex joint what you see here is it, because the fitment was perfect. We're just waiting on a shipment of flex joints to finish production. The 3CE's are currently in stock. The updated intermediate pipe will probably be here first week of September. I already have customers running the MadDad(MT) Metal combo with the stanard 3CE pipe with Cobb Stage 2, both WRX and STi. All of them report super smooth results. The downpipe has been in very very short supply. We'll have a few in next week for general stock, but literally only a few(3).

- Rich

I got a downpipe and a 3ce from you, now I need the intermediate pipe. Do you have any in stock? if so how much

Thanks
Rich

any dyno #'s yet?

Would love to see the dyno #'s too. I am in the market for a downpipe and your downpipe looks great.

rich, those downpipes came in yet?

Hey people, I've been away during these last couple of weeks of August so I haven't been quite as up to date as I normally am in my threads. DP's will be in good supply in another week. We've seen delays in the last few weeks due to wastegate tubes being delivered out of spec so we didn't have the last batch of pipes shipped when expected. Things are sorted out now. We should have a few units coming in early next week to fill some back orders but no all of them. The rest should be filled by the end of the first week of September.

In regards to the Halback intermediate pipe, we finally received the flex joints. It figures they showed up while I'm away. They will be forwarded to our exhaust fabricator on Monday. They won't receive them till the following Monday. It will take about a week for the pipes to be finshed, and a week back to us, so I don't expect the intermediate pipe till near the end of September. We have standard 2.5" intermediate pipes from Stromung that fit up perfect with our standard 3CE if anyone needs to complete a turboback with the standard 3CE combo.

Rich

Just thought I'd post my quick thoughts on Rich's masterpiece: been running the DP w/ cat and 3CE for about 2 weeks, and love it. Fitment was a breeze, and the 3CE mated right up to my Borla hush. Immediately felt the quicker spool-up and HP benefits. I didn't want to go catless, but I did want a 3" solution w/ a divorced wastegate that mated up to my Borla. Beautiful product.
-- scooterforever

hey are you still back ordered? i ordered one a week or two ago and was wondering if orders are caught up

thanks
ryan

I have been waiting for my down pipe since the anouncement... it was some time before April !!!

There are been parts delays on the last batch. They are suppose to start my build next week and get them out the door next week, but I don't expect them until the week of September 20th. We have enough coming to fill current back orders and a few left over for stock.

WRXBob - PM me your order #

- Rich

Do you have your catless DP yet?

Do you have your catless DP yet?

We haven't forgot about. It's still being worked on but at a slow pace. I have no updated ETA at the moment other than not in the next 30 days for sure. We're currently sorting out fitment of the mechanical cel fix while still maintaining the heatshield. With the removal flange setup and an 02 sensor bung that curls out, there wasn't room for the heatshield, so we're changing some things to make sure we can get the heatshield back on there. Sorry for the delays.

- Rich

is it still 700 bux for the dpo and the stromung substrate 3rd cat?

:(

i need catted exhaust to not get harassed by cops :\

lmk, looks very impressive

is it still 700 bux for the dpo and the stromung substrate 3rd cat?

:(

i need catted exhaust to not get harassed by cops :\

lmk, looks very impressive

We'll still honor that combo price.

- Rich

come on daddy the wait is killing me :D
when's the mad cat dp ready?

i got mines ;) the thing is sweet along with the cusco heatshield. thanks

come on daddy the wait is killing me :D
when's the mad cat dp ready?

MadDad(TM) Metal's and additional 3CE's shipped Friday(I'm told), which should put them at our door this Friday. We have enough to fill our previous back orders and should have 4-5 for stock. The Halfback 3" Intermediate pipe will be following a couple of days after.

- Rich

can't wait for my DP and Halfback. :) You have me down for a preorder, right?

- Joe

can't wait for my DP and Halfback. :) You have me down for a preorder, right?

- Joe

http://wildhorsessd.com/emoticons/588.gif Hey me first, wait your turn. ;)

updates?

Halfback's arrived today(finally). We just got the new flanges in for our DP. We weren't happy with the last batch so we delayed making the last batch of downpipes while waiting for new flanges. Their being build this monday and we should have them the following monday.

Rich

Will MadDad Twin-dump w/cat fit prodrive 3rd Cat eliminator ?

4 Qs about MadDad Twin-dump w/cat
1. Is coating or wrapping encouraged or not ?
2. will it alone pass the smog test ?
3. Can I keep the stock turbo heat shield.
4. How well it flow as compared with other after market catted DP ?
Thanks !

4 Qs about MadDad Twin-dump w/cat
1. Is coating or wrapping encouraged or not ?
2. will it alone pass the smog test ?
3. Can I keep the stock turbo heat shield.
4. How well it flow as compared with other after market catted DP ?
Thanks !

I can answer two of those.
#1 He recommend not, I asked also.
#3 If you cut the bageebies out of it. http://wildhorsessd.com/emoticons/397.gif

Look (http://mikeegan.stormpages.com/VDP.html)

i was wondering...

i have 3" midpipe that tapers to 2.5"

but it uses a normal flat gasket that is now mated to my godspeed 3" dp. (replaces 3rd cat as one piece)

i was wondering if it were possible to get a 3ce pipe without the 2.5" taper for a stock donut gasket. and just a 3" flange?

3" => 2.5" => 3" =2.5" would be way too turbulent

i was wondering...

i have 3" midpipe that tapers to 2.5"

but it uses a normal flat gasket that is now mated to my godspeed 3" dp. (replaces 3rd cat as one piece)

i was wondering if it were possible to get a 3ce pipe without the 2.5" taper for a stock donut gasket. and just a 3" flange?

3" => 2.5" => 3" =2.5" would be way too turbulent

We have a 3" non tapering version of our 3CE pipe that we released about a month ago, you can take the DP and non tapering 3CE for the same combo price of $549. Freight depending on zip would be $10-15.

- Rich