I just put my down payment on it.. Anyone else order it yet?

-Jon.

what is the status on it? any release date?

M

Right now you can get on the waiting list for one at the end of this month.

But.. other's who payed before are getting their's next week.

-Jon.

I'm just keeping this thread alive. ttt.

I've heard rumblings of this, anyone got a website for this? Just curious.

Andy

I put in my order today. Andrew's a great guy :)

carmodifications.com is the site.

Originally posted by Darshu
I put in my order today. Andrew's a great guy :)

carmodifications.com is the site.

Yours coming at the end of the month?

-Jon.

Mine is coming next week...

Have they released the Sti version yet?
I am on the fence between the Hydra and the Utec.

TMS

I'm more than likely going to get one of these but I'm waiting for the buyer queue to die down a bit and for some initial reviews to appear first. :)

Shane

Actually the correct website for the Hydra Subaru is here..

www.elementtuning.com

Check it out..

Nice site.
Does not yet list prices or optional equipment including wideband.
Does not yet mention how the install goes or if other parts required.

Somebody review this soon.

Impressive to say the least. Can't wait till it's officially released, as cash is in hand waiting to be spent :lol:.

Congrats again Phil....

Rick

i sent my deposit a month ago to andrew from carmodifications.com... said i would have it the second week of april... then it got delayed to this week... was supposed to have it by now... he says theres a problem with the shipment or something, so now he's saying i should have it by next week... grr... now i have to post-pone my ej22t block swap a month because my mechanic is going out of town... it was either this weekend or next month.. :(

What is it? I haven't heard anything about it.. is it a complete stand alone?

word

ttt

Look at the thread about Elements ECU for the STi, they are one in the same. In fact Phil is the guy for these, if you buy from someone else, they bought it from Phil....

I'm talking to Phil about maybe being a dealer/tuning center for it. I'm REALLY eager to try it out.

Yeah I cant wait to see a few of these out. I am seriously considering tossing the UTEC for the Hyrda.

-Matt

Possible combo deal if this works out?

GT30R, DR650, Philputer, Injectors, Fuel pump.

Pricing?

Possible combo deal if this works out?

GT30R, DR650, Philputer, Injectors, Fuel pump.

Pricing?

Does anybody have their Nemesis yet?:confused:

mine will ship tommorow.. the boxes have arrived at hydra and harnesses are being built...

have you paid for it yet?

i just sent my deposite.. he said he would let me know when the rest was due...

How much is for the deposit? and how long is it taking for orders to be filled in?

Anybody buying a Nemesis right now has a LINK Plus that they would like to sell?:D

$200 deposite... then $1150 due when shiping...

lets all go on the MR2 forums and cow at them because they bought up almost everything that hydra had. :P

I think it will start to become available quickly because production has been ramping up... but when they release their drivebywire ECU there will be another large demand spike... I hear the 350Z has been hurting for ecus...

I paid today and should get it this week or late next. Will do a review... Also with speaking with Andrew at hydra he asks all the right questions and i'm confident about the development of this ecu.

Originally posted by HOK
lets all go on the MR2 forums and cow at them because they bought up almost everything that hydra had. :P

:lol:
Well, MR2s haven't had a good ECU solution and they've been around for 14+ years now. It's about time.

From what I've seen on www.mr2oc.com it's an awesome plug-n-play system for the price. :banana:

how are you getting yours so soon.. i sent my deposit like 5 weeks ago....

he said i should have it this week.. but he hasnt contacted me asking for the rest of my money..

Hmmmm...interesting.
My UTEC has been driving me nuts since day one. Myabe it's the california gas.

What can California users expect in regards to drivability, and power compaired to states that get good fuel? I'm sure there will be some power difference.

Also, what is different in this set up that will help in keeping it from getting a UTEC 4.2 stutter type problem?

thanks

Originally posted by Onederer
Hmmmm...interesting.
My UTEC has been driving me nuts since day one. Myabe it's the california gas.

What can California users expect in regards to drivability, and power compaired to states that get good fuel? I'm sure there will be some power difference.

Also, what is different in this set up that will help in keeping it from getting a UTEC 4.2 stutter type problem?

thanks

This is a full stand alone.... I would think your problem is the tune, or tuner. There are a lot of people running utecs on 91 no problems. The managment is only as good as the guy tuning it.

Heres the thread on it...
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=545495

Originally posted by Jeremy H
:lol:
Well, MR2s haven't had a good ECU solution and they've been around for 14+ years now. It's about time.

From what I've seen on www.mr2oc.com it's an awesome plug-n-play system for the price. :banana:

Heh i havn't told them about reflashing our stock ECUs he would be more pissed...

Originally posted by masiolli
how are you getting yours so soon.. i sent my deposit like 5 weeks ago....

he said i should have it this week.. but he hasnt contacted me asking for the rest of my money..

i don't even remember when i sent my deposit... lol

Anybody knows if the Nemesis will fool the OBDII?

DID ANYONE GET THEIR NEMESIS YET?

Originally posted by maxiav
Anybody knows if the Nemesis will fool the OBDII?


It will not.

Originally posted by maxiav
Anybody knows if the Nemesis will fool the OBDII?

DID ANYONE GET THEIR NEMESIS YET?

not yet

If you any of your projected Nemesis guys want to get rid of your Link Plus, I need one bad!

I drove a 2.5RS-t with a Hydra Nemesis 2.0 in it this weekend. :D I believe it was a sort-of pre-delivery check-out deal though. It still needed major tuning though, so no feedback from me yet.

-Charlie

Will there be any East Coast Professional tuners for the Hydra?

i believe phil who sells this from element tuning is on the east coast.

Ben

really? Where on the East Coast though? Just a region would be appreciative. The place is called Element Tuning hmmmm

the number on their site has a 240 area code which is maryland.

www.elementtuning.com

Ben

Originally posted by phattyduck
I drove a 2.5RS-t with a Hydra Nemesis 2.0 in it this weekend. :D I believe it was a sort-of pre-delivery check-out deal though. It still needed major tuning though, so no feedback from me yet.

-Charlie

Did they send him a map for his setup?

Originally posted by NeaD
Did they send him a map for his setup?
From what I understand, the car was running pretty well and was tuned, but there was still an issue - it turned out the wiring for the fuel pump was corroded and not letting the pump work well. With the new higher fuel pressure (full voltage getting to the fuel pump), the car was/is running uncontrollably rich. So yeah, its not tuned at the moment due to other problems, not the ecu.

Also, any base map wouldn't work on my friend's car very well... STi 2.5 block, heavily ported SOHC heads, VF39 (I think) turbo, FMIC, etc...

I don't know enough about the ECU yet to say whether I will go for it when I get engine management on my car...

-Charlie

Anyone know much about that LInk 44-s ECU? (the one on grupp-s' site) How does that compare to the element ecu? or utec..etc

Well after reading the thread by the Search master himself toto, I noticed they didn't mention anything about RSes :( I will give them a call tomorrow to see if that is in the works at all. Thanks

Well I dont see why it wouldnt... it is a full stand alone. And....
Originally posted by phattyduck
I drove a 2.5RS-t with a Hydra Nemesis 2.0 in it this weekend. :D I believe it was a sort-of pre-delivery check-out deal though. It still needed major tuning though, so no feedback from me yet.

-Charlie

I just got an email from andrew saying that my unit will be shipped next week... he was just asking me questions about my set-up.. im assuming for the preset Map...

time to start working my ass off to pay for this.... :devil: :banana:

Originally posted by FutureSTIer
really? Where on the East Coast though? Just a region would be appreciative. The place is called Element Tuning hmmmm

A little birdie told me XX...

Originally posted by DonkeyPunch
A little birdie told me XX...
I don't know what birdie you're speaking of, but xxtuning is clearly listed as one of the dealers on elementtuning.com along with worldone and godspeed.

Hehehe, IE Explorer was the birdie.

Originally posted by FutureSTIer
Hehehe, IE Explorer was the birdie.
shhhh...keep it http://www.ubrf.org/forums/images/smilies/snky.gif

I want to know how the new Hydra is treating people that's all...

For 02 wrx I have a brand new autronics stand alone similar to the Hydra unit with anti-lag feature. Same cost as hydra but I'm willing to part with it for a lot less. E-mail me for anyone interested. Oh, tech support is no other than Ben at strader performance, he runs a school for EFI tuning, what more can U ask for.

Originally posted by FutureSTIer
I want to know how the new Hydra is treating people that's all...

what that guy said!

Come on somebody has to have a Hydra installed without a professional tune...

Comments, complaints, praise, something...

Patience grasshopper. Come on they haven't even delivered that many yet - give it a month and then ask.

I would be suprised if anyone, with a subaru, that is not a hydra vendor has one yet. I would like to have mine by Friday, but hopefully by the end of the month. It sucks having a car I can't drive. Well, I can drive it but I can't run any boost. I just putt to and from work.

I know there has been a couple with Subarus delivered and installed, but like you said patience is a virtue I guess...

I know there have been a few (maybe even quite a few) delivered and installed - it was the qualifier "without professional tune" that I think is the hang up in response to your request at this exact moment.

If I had one that didn't come with a base map I would spend more time trying to get it tuned than I would by just waiting for one from Phil. Tuning a UTEC was no problem and with all the hard work that Phil has done tuning the base maps, the Hydra should be just as easy. I'm Glad Phil is doing all the hard work for us.

I would rather hear from people that have not had it professionally tuned honestly because I have heard enough good things from Phil at Element Tuning who knows it like the back of his hand. I want to hear from the DIY tuners really....

Originally posted by Onederer
what that guy said!

again

Received Hydra!

Originally posted by HOK
Received Hydra!


and...........:confused:

still waiting for mine... said it should be here this week

what do you think of it?

HOK spill the beans damn it.. something anything :-P

Originally posted by CK02WRX
I would be suprised if anyone, with a subaru, that is not a hydra vendor has one yet. I would like to have mine by Friday, but hopefully by the end of the month. It sucks having a car I can't drive. Well, I can drive it but I can't run any boost. I just putt to and from work.

I hear that, i cant drive mine at all... hydra cant be released soon enough!

sigh... sadly its just sitting in my hands.. my car is still waiting for downpipe and uppipe.

It will be in this weekend... i promise kinda... i want it in as much as the next guy... by the way there is a new flash... just so you know...

I can take pictures of the ecu if you guys want lol...

New flash? from Cobb? Who does them? Is a tunable flash?

Hok, what is you current eng management?

I meant a new flash for the hydra unit.


Elliot: my current engine mgmt is SAFC and stock eCU. has worked well with my mild setup...

Yeah, I am running a SAFCII and a J&S ultra. works well for low boost but I really want something to make thecar run smooth at any rpm and boost ( no higher tat 10 psi).

I always wonder why the unichip never made it to the rs crowd?

because i tried the unichip and never like it at all. it was a piggy back and i think the ECU learned around it or something...

After that i decided it was a standalone or a reflash. Because most of the reflashed took so long to develop and there were so many diffculties (bugs that we were never told about or whatever) it just seemed to be that support would wither away.

The reason i bought this standalone is because i noticed they were really focused on providng support for multiple platforms and options. now I cna get a software update buy a new harness and plug it into any performance car. If someday i sell or want to slap on a ecu to a second car i can. Looking at the software it seemed it was build well and they would be contantly updating the ecu.

After i called hydra and found that they were the old minnam guys i knew it would be a good solution.

I think that once the unichip was used more and more its tuning capacity increase.
That will justifiy why people like shiv and Cobb used it in their first power packages. I could be wrong but I would like to hear Shiv or Trey point of view.

don't get me wrong I believe that units like the LINK( when it didn't cost 1700) and the Hydra are really good ECU and an excellent way to tune your car.

Sounds great, but when you mentioned new flash for the Hydra, I'm taking they shipped your Hydra with this new firmware (flash) and won't force you to buy a new upgrade already?

Originally posted by HOK


After i called hydra and found that they were the old minnam guys i knew it would be a good solution.

:confused: That's a GOOD thing?

Don

yes the hydra was shipped with the new firmware...

about the unichip... i think the move from the unichip from most tuners clearly states that it was not a good option for us or WRXes...

But i have heard that it maybe because they were hard to deal with (suppliers IE Dastek). But this is from gossip and when i used it briefly i didn't like it at all.

Originally posted by wistful
:confused: That's a GOOD thing?

Don


Why whats wrong with them....

I found this on an MR2 site. Click to download. Hydra sample software (http://www.mrcontrols.com/downloads/nemesis.zip)

Originally posted by CK02WRX
I found this on an MR2 site. Click to download. Hydra sample software (http://www.mrcontrols.com/downloads/nemesis.zip)


thank you. thank you. thank you

does anyone know where there are going to be nemesis tuners? Especially near northern colorado? anyone?:banana:

all i know is Payn Technology in Michigan will be able to tune the Hydra (im driving all the way over there to have them dyno tune my car...)

And Don... whats wrong with the Minnam guys? I have a minnam kit on my car, and i love it! I wish i could get some specs on the damn turbo thats in my car though... :furious:

and just looking at that software gives me a headache.. i wish i knew what i was doing...

Originally posted by masiolli
and just looking at that software gives me a headache.. i wish i knew what i was doing...
The AEM software is a lot harder to understand. I don't like the interface of the AEM software, but that is just me though. I'm sure others like it. You can download the AEM software from thier site to compare.

Originally posted by CK02WRX
The AEM software is a lot harder to understand. I don't like the interface of the AEM software, but that is just me though. I'm sure others like it. You can download the AEM software from thier site to compare.

Few do, there are only a handfull of people who can tune on the AEM system right.

Actually my friend Scot who owns redline motorsports in Fort Collins, is a certified AEM tuner. He is awesome.. He is super knowledgeable, and tunes High end cars Like Supras, and Corvettes and stuff like that.. anyway here is a link to his website.
www.4redlinemotorsports.com
I would have him work on my car, but I have AWD and he has a 2wd dynojet dyno. anyway check it out...

anyways.. enough about aem. MY hydra is getting shipped out next week. :banana:

Good luck and would love to here a review. How long have you been waiting or been on the waiting list?

I sent in my deposit the end of January... or maybe it was the beggining of Febuary... either way, its been a LONG time...

i was told that i would have it within the month :rolleyes:

Got to drive the Hydra powered RS-t last night again. :D

My buddy was tuning using a very slllooowww laptop and it was tough. So, note to users: if you are tuning yourself, get a fast laptop. :) New software updates are coming out soon, I believe with a few new cool features.

-Charlie

We will be a Hydra authorized tuning center as well and will be stocking many units for WRX and STI. We are actually using it on our Spec R kits to eliminate the MAF sensor. It is a fantastic unit.

Originally posted by FutureSTIer
Come on somebody has to have a Hydra installed without a professional tune...

Comments, complaints, praise, something...
Originally posted by Onederer
what that guy said!
Originally posted by FutureSTIer
I would rather hear from people that have not had it professionally tuned honestly because I have heard enough good things from Phil at Element Tuning who knows it like the back of his hand. I want to hear from the DIY tuners really....

Originally posted by Onederer
what that guy said!

Originally posted by Onederer
again

Stop post whoring mod, dont' make me regulate :p

Free bump for the Hydra users to come out the closet and spill the beans...

I am waiting for hydra's to ship via Phil with element tuning. Still no installed and tuned yet? Hok where ya at?

Canada But i got mine directly from Hydra... Will be going in the end of this week... just got pipes done...

sending my money tonight!

I am sending my deposit tomorrow, but I have to sell a kidney to pay for the rest... you only need one kidney right??:banana:

What is wierd is that I am actually donating my kidney to my father and hope to get my car tuned with the Hydra in my "recovery time off" after the operation on June 21st.

Maybe I can guilt him into paying for the Hydra...?;)..or burn in hell for thinking of this. :devil:

Bill

Good luck on that :)

is there anyone who has this installed yet? tuned/not tuned/ what ever.. are there any negatives at al... yet?:confused:

Yeap, ai got an autonics board also, going into our Yellow shop car... Do you still have your board available.. drop me a email

al@xxtuning.com

Originally posted by yellowrxo2
For 02 wrx I have a brand new autronics stand alone similar to the Hydra unit with anti-lag feature. Same cost as hydra but I'm willing to part with it for a lot less. E-mail me for anyone interested. Oh, tech support is no other than Ben at strader performance, he runs a school for EFI tuning, what more can U ask for.

well i was thinking about the autronics unit.. but don't you have to buy like a billion things to make it work..? for us RS guys we have to change many things like crank and ignition... IIRC

My Hydra is for sale for $1300 with 2.5RS harness. I've gotten in too much trouble with "the man" lately.

Originally posted by SubaFastR
My Hydra is for sale for $1300 with 2.5RS harness. I've gotten in too much trouble with "the man" lately.
Isn't that the truth! (I was there for at least one of those times... :) )

-Charlie

Yes, Charlie was pulled over while I was on the laptop. The car runs quite nicely right now. I was able to tune for fuel economy on my way to work today.

more info from owners please!!

Todd

Has anyone set this up for speed density yet?
What is involved?

Thanks
TMS

What do you mean "setup for speed density"? It is speed density (MAP), its not MAF driven.

Originally posted by DarthChicken
What do you mean "setup for speed density"? It is speed density (MAP), its not MAF driven.

But you have to retain the MAF for the IAT. I was just wondering if anyone had removed the MAF yet and what did they do for IAT.

TMS

it uses MAP. Not MAF.

But you have to retain the MAF for the IAT.

This is true for now unless you buy the speed density kit. You still need your MAF sensor and housing unless you buy the kit.

i understand that in order to tune with wideband you have to buy their wideband option. Is there any way I can use another standard 0-5v wideband?

I have heard bad things about the Nemesis WB controller too. Espicially with respect to temperature flucuations.

any experience guys?

Todd

The Hydra requires an NGK WBO2 sensor, the TXS and most others use a Bosch. The Bosch is slower responding, too slow to be used in closed loop fueling according to them. The Bosch also has a different # of wires IIRC. You can still tune with a wideband of your choice, but it will not be integrated into the Hydra. You would have to trim the fuel like you do with other EM. The closed loop WB allows you to enter a desired AF target in each cell. Much easier to tune than to trim/check, trim/check AFRs.

If this bothers you, then just don't get the WB component or wait until some of the bugs get ironed out.

Andrew told me that you no longer needed your MAF sensor with this EM... He said you run a vacuum line to the unit, and it repaces the need for the MAF...

This isnt true???

u dont need the maf sensor to sense the air flow, you need the maf there to use for the I A T!

Mine will be here tomorrow.. I'm going to have it installed tomorrow night. I will take a bunch of pics, and tell everyone how my car acts to it.

did he send you a tracking #?

cause he never sent me one, or confirmed that it has been shipped... or is responding to my emails... if you get yours before me, i'll be extremely pissed... i ordered mine like 3 months before you...

now it seems like hes avoiding me or somthing went wrong and he dont want to tell me... but im getting pissed...

just call him.

Originally posted by masiolli
did he send you a tracking #?

cause he never sent me one, or confirmed that it has been shipped... or is responding to my emails... if you get yours before me, i'll be extremely pissed... i ordered mine like 3 months before you...

now it seems like hes avoiding me or somthing went wrong and he dont want to tell me... but im getting pissed...

I payed for it to get send by air.

Its available for him because he has a 2.5 N/A car. The WRX and STi ones aren't available yet (connector shortage).

Do you have a 2.5?

yeah... 99 2.5RS-t with an ej22t block waiting to go in as soon as the hydra gets here..

Originally posted by Hitokiri
I have heard bad things about the Nemesis WB controller too. Espicially with respect to temperature flucuations.


What have you heard and from where?

I have the hydra installed but still waiting for welding some bungs to the car. Will be starting it up on the weekend...

http://www.hokman.com/hok/images/car/hydra.JPG

That is awesome. Let us kow how it goes.

I just got mine. It's going in tonight. Pics coming soon.:banana:

called him today... he said he "was too busy" to ship it when it should have been .... he said he send it out wednesday the 9th :furious:

oh and NeaD... let me know how the car runs off the preloaded map...

Originally posted by masiolli
oh and NeaD... let me know how the car runs off the preloaded map...

well.. everything is installed. now i'm waiting on a gasket from subaru. Then it will be time to start up the beast. :lol:

Hit me on AIM tomorrow.

-Nead (this is my cuz's SN)

HOK - SubafastR didn't like it

one of his comments was e didn't like the WB. I have no direct experience or anything to back it up.

I want the hydra as much as the next guy!

lol... maybe later this summer.....

Todd

i cant wait to finally get mine... my car is going to be completely different... ej22t @ 15PSI (to start), no more oil leaks!, STi groupe N tranny and engine mounts, shifter bushings, redline tranny and diff fluids, the hydra of course, while the engine is being swapped im going to paint the headlight housing black, paint my muffler flat black to make it less ricey (N1), and im thinking about maybe painting my wheels gold... but i havent decided on that one yet...

he's probably talking about the software I assume... I tend to agree with him.. I havn't "tuned" with it yet... but doing maps and stuff the gui is not that great... but if just changing variables here and there its ok...

but if he means the controller was not accurate or didn't perform well.... mmm I would like to know that now..

maybe pm..? thanks tho... Hitokiri

Pics?

Just got mine! Swap and all the other stuff will be in on the 26th... cant wait!

Can you please post a photo of the unit itself, another of the harness?

if you scroll up there is a picture of the unit, and you can also see the harness. :eek:

http://www.hokman.com/hok/images/car/hydraharness.JPG

PMed you HOK

HOK,
Are there any mounting brackets on the ecu to mount it in the stock ecu location? Or will we have to fab something up?

fab

yuppers... its also way too thick to put it in the ecu position. but I would simply use raisers like long bolts and nuts to get it under the stock plating and put some foam in there.. I don't know about WRX or STI wiring harnesses but mine are not long enough to stick it under the seat. I will document my install still tiring to get my wastegate welded...

Same thing I've heard. I've got some standoffs (like the UTEC ones) to raise the kickplate a bit, and will be mocking up a plate that looks like the bottom of the stock ECU (to rivet on to the hydra).

I may put my ecu over the carpet and make a clear cover.. to show it off. :P

did you open it up already? I havn't even really touched it yet. Did you hook it up to your computer yet? somebody was having some issues with that... i hope its not a trend... still think in this day and age everything should be usb based for this type of standalone...

Originally posted by HOK
did you open it up already? I havn't even really touched it yet. Did you hook it up to your computer yet? somebody was having some issues with that... i hope its not a trend... still think in this day and age everything should be usb based for this type of standalone...

Everything is hooked up.. As you know HOK.. I have been having problems with the EMS connecting to my laptop. I'm going to mess with it a little more tonight, I'll let everyone know what my problem was.

But, for what I can tell.. The map that was programed in the hydra is running a little rich, Oh well.. it's better to be rich then lean. But, I'll check out what the computer says tonight.

The car has not been driven yet, I'm going to drive it tonight. :banana:

yeah, i thought the same thing about USB.... :rolleyes:

i havent been able to mess around with mine yet, it better connect to the laptop, thats all i have to say...

let me know what you guys end up doing about mounting it...

well.. This is what you Don't want to do the first time loading up your hydra....

Don't upload a blank map onto the EMS. Time to E-mail Hydra for a map. :furious:

Originally posted by Braybeurn
well.. This is what you Don't want to do the first time loading up your hydra....

Don't upload a blank map onto the EMS. Time to E-mail Hydra for a map. :furious:

This is NeaD, BTW.

why'd you go and do that? haha...

so i take it you got it to link up? what was wrong?

:confused:

Originally posted by masiolli
why'd you go and do that? haha...

so i take it you got it to link up? what was wrong?

The com port on my computer.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=580963

My plea for help.:furious:

so what did all of you end up doing with the ecu cover plate situation?just get some spacers and longer screws?

dropped my car off today for the installation and engine swap... im so excited!

I didn't even mount my yet.. the car is still down.

hmmm...my confidence in this item is going down by the day.
nothing provided to mount it?

i guess that no news is good news in the "problem" department. no one is reporting a blown engine or anything...or is it just that no one has really gotten one or around to fiddling with it?

so whats the skinny guys? is this thing the real deal or just a load of hooey?

Originally posted by NeaD
I didn't even mount my yet.. the car is still down.

BTW.. I'm pretty sure the hydra isn't the problem.

hydra is installed and started the car... just idled for a couple minutes.. Need to work out some bugs on the car itself...


will be tuning this week and next as i will have a long weekend...

I want this finished as much as the next hehe..

My swap is completed... the hydra was the last thing to do... got it all hooked up... plugged it in.. NOTHING... its not getting any spark...

i REALLY need to get a laptop to check whats going on with it...

doesn't sound like an ECU thing to me.. more details?

Originally posted by Onederer
hmmm...my confidence in this item is going down by the day.
nothing provided to mount it?

i guess that no news is good news in the "problem" department. no one is reporting a blown engine or anything...or is it just that no one has really gotten one or around to fiddling with it?

so whats the skinny guys? is this thing the real deal or just a load of hooey?

Well like any ecu its only as good as the tuner, the unit it self wont blow the motor, but a poor tune will. Its real and its the best stand alone ecu around IMO. But stand alones are not for everyone, this will never pass smog.

yeah, you said that part before.
i think you are missunderstanding my questions as being from someone with 0 knowledge of how these things work.

all i want to know is, IS THIS THING ALL IT'S CRACKED UP TO BE?


so far no one has come on and doled out any info. just because people THINK it's the bee's knees before actually testing it means nothing to ME.

BAH!

Originally posted by Onederer
yeah, you said that part before.
i think you are missunderstanding my questions as being from someone with 0 knowledge of how these things work.

all i want to know is, IS THIS THING ALL IT'S CRACKED UP TO BE?


so far no one has come on and doled out any info. just because people THINK it's the bee's knees before actually testing it means nothing to ME.

BAH!

0 knowledge of how these things work. :lol:

Ok... sure.:confused:

What info are you looking for? It does what it says it does... Ask any of the MR2 guys using it, or if you have subaru specific technical questions ask Phil. What do you mean "all its cracked up to be?" It wires into your car, plugs in, and if its tuned right runs the car... Its been run in the by the mr2 guys for a while it works.


If you looked in the other thread I liked to you would see some of the comprimises of this system if thats what your looking for...

Originally posted by wgknestrick
As far as comprimises, this is what I have so far. I am just trying to provide information about this product and
(please feel free to correct these Phil if they are incorrect)

1. Initial startup crank time increase. Phil has stated that due to the Hydra using a slightly different method of firing the coil packs, the Hydra requires a couple more turns of the engine before it starts compared to the stock ECU.

2. Lack of cruise control. Explained above

3. Lack of ODB2 support (I think this is for legal reasons). This means if you live in a state (like I do) that requires some sort of ODB2 inspection, you need to keep your stock ECU (and be CEL free too) when you get your car inspected. This requires you to swap the stock ECU back in and run it until you trigger the "sensor ready status" for the emissions equipment. This is the biggest pain that I see so far. Who knows how well your car will run completely untuned on the stock ECU.

These are the only "comprimises" that I know of so far.

I still question some of the STI dash functionality (rev light, beep), the changing of maps remotely (think Utec map switch), and launch control activation. These things really haven't been discused by Phil in any detail as to how/when/if they work on the current Hydra ECU.

I think I am still scheduled to be one of the first to recieve the Hydra and have it tuned by Phil, so I will provide my impressions/review at that time. The wait has been killing me. Try sitting on a stage 4 STI for 6 months and only running 10psi.
:(. Hopefully with the Hydra, I can run a little more than that ;)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=545495&perpage=50&pagenumber=4

i think you still missed something in the translation. but ok.

i want to know...from folks that HAVE installed and worked with it how it's working in the car that i drive. otherwise i WOULD be over at the MR2 forum. come on now, i gave you more credit than that.

so thats it in a nutshell....if you have it and it's working or not working as you had expected. lets hear it.
hear say and conjecture is not what i am looking for. nor am i looking for simple specs. HARD TESTED info.

Cliff notes...
if ya got it on a subaru...how do you like it?

:lol:

Ok, where just speaking different languages I guess. I dont care if they like it or not, just if it works.

Onederer - nobody has one in a WRX or STi yet. Its not available yet. Hopefully this week the wrx guys will get theirs, STis to follow in a few more weeks.

So.. the RS guys have theirs, its the only subaru people that have tried it out. Is it all its cracked up to be? I don't think any of us know for sure. Too early to pass judgement.

STi's are delayed until August. WRX and RS, next batch is shipping week of July 12th.

There is a supply shortage of plugs. Those with an already standing order are recieving a $65.00 discount.

That is all.

Yup, got the same email right after I posted... sigh... another two weeks... :furious:

Yes it's true...more waiting.....

I'm thinking about wiring the thing in myself. Comparing the harness in the photos in this thread with the one that xxtuning sells for the STi, the Hydra one looks alot simpler. I count about 40 wires coming out of the Suby side of the harness.

Am I crazy?

Originally posted by bboy
Yes it's true...more waiting.....

I'm thinking about wiring the thing in myself. Comparing the harness in the photos in this thread with the one that xxtuning sells for the STi, the Hydra one looks alot simpler. I count about 40 wires coming out of the Suby side of the harness.

Am I crazy?

Yes.
:lol:

Unless you realy like wiring wait... its a PIA to track down and get everything right.

Yes, and even if you got it right, going back to a stock ECU for emissions and resale of your car would be a nightmare. Wait the two weeks...

I talked to Phil about wiring them in.

He agrees, don't even try to do it.

He says the connector that is the trouble is one on the Hydra's main board; it's made by Delphi. Wiring the Hydra would then mean soldering to the main board with some 100 pins. I will not do that.

It'll be a month for the STi's units. I can do a lot of wiring in a month, but I won't solder onto a main board.

Originally posted by HOK
doesn't sound like an ECU thing to me.. more details?

it has to be.. my car runs with the stock ecu, safc, and safeguard hooked up... but when we plug in the hydra... it dumps loads of fuel... and sends no spark..

we havent hooked up the air temp sensor yet... because we dont know 1) where to mount it (before or after the turbo?) and 2) we dont know where to plug it in to the hydra...

other than that.. what else could it be if it runs with the safc and stock ecu?

i personally think they didnt set the spark map.. but i need a damn laptop to check it out!

whoops haha i read that totally wrong...

but you need the laptop no matter what... did you do TB calibration yet?

what is TB calibration?

adjusting the open and closed positions of the throttle body

why would i need to do that? it runs fine with the stock ECU...

or is this a software calibration for the Hydra?

Originally posted by masiolli
why would i need to do that? it runs fine with the stock ECU...

or is this a software calibration for the Hydra?
You have to do that with every aftermarket ECU - its part of the standard setup process.

-Charlie

I totally hated that Hydra crap. I had to retune it on my way to work and then on my way home. Temp correction doesn't work well, and yes I know my sensor was working because Andrew Nam and I hooked it up in his garage. Tuning is a major pain in the ass due to only being able to change one cell at a time. My first harness was full of bugs and the car would hardly run after picking it up from Andrew's house, 10 miles down the road. He blamed my car's harness. After I showed him the pins in his harness were not sticking out, he finally made me a new harness. I had a Link Plus before this and never had any tuning issues. I loved that thing. I only changed over because I wanted AVCS heads. Huge mistake. F it, I'm doing a swap on my car and having I Speed reflash my ecu when I put my STi block and turbo in. I pick up my motor tomorrow.

Originally posted by phattyduck
You have to do that with every aftermarket ECU - its part of the standard setup process.

-Charlie


would that be the menu in the Hydra software select/settings/throttle and at the bottom it says TPS CAL Calibrate zero Calibrate WOT?

yes... turn the car to ignition but don't turn it on. don't touch the throttle and press calibrate zero then press fully on the pedal and press calibrate WOT...

then it should start?

Originally posted by masiolli
then it should start?

Can't say. Check the harness to see if all of the pins come out far enough. Mine were hit and miss. Andrew is actually rather famous for building bad harness'. The guys at Link USA groaned when I said he built my Link harness.

Well i got it running and took a drive... the base map was very good. I was shocked.. Didn't think it would that good. I have logs .5 meg let me know if any of you want it...

didn't go on boost... as I was still trying to get the mechanical things worked out... but drove around for about 45 minutes, and washed the car. idles rock solid but I do stall now and then... need to work that out...

:banana: :banana:

HOK

I'm glad to hear that. Keep us posted.

SubaFastR

Contact Phil he was telling me there was new software that permitted changing more than one cell at a time. I couldn't even change one until he told me how. I'm just playing around though no tuning for me yet.

whats this new software?

you can actually change an entire row of cells but only to one value.


The interaction isn't that great i agree... but the things you can do... sheesh..

dammit! I am still waiting its been almost 2 months now! Damn Delphi and their connectors on backorder.

Spent the night till 2 am tuning.. fun fun fun...

Got most of the drivability problems out of the map... ride is good with no more stalling or stumbling. did a short 10 psi run on the new turbo... need to richen that sucker up hehe.

When you get used to the interface the usibility is not as bad as it seemed to me at first, because i was doing small and fine tuning changes... I would imagine if you needed to build a large portion of the map it would be a big PITA. I work in the IS industry and the words they use for download and upload really got me annoyed.. lol

But I have two recommendations, save every single map when you change a variable in settings. every time i changed the values in settings and uploaded to the ecu (download in thier language) the car shuts off and then i have to restart and download from the ecu.

I refuse to change multiple variables when i tune... it takes me more time, but I have a lot at stake and want to make doubly sure.

Also I have noticed that the stock knock sensor is useless. the knock threshold that i had to get it down to was so much I think I might as well turn off knock retard. Either something is wrong with my sensor or my tuning is so good it doesn;t even come close to knock.. :huh: yes i agree there is something wrong with the sensor. there was hardly any change registering on the knock map.

I have to say it: that manual sucks... big time

Can you give us a quick instruction set to get the map off of the ECU when it arrives and saved to the computer with their backwards, ECU is the center of the universe, jargon so we don't lose it immediatly by following convention?

Thank you,

Greg

It is actually intuitive. Your laptop is physically above the ecu. You download to the ecu when you store and upload from the ecu when you begin.

Intuitive is relative to your experiences and manner of working and thinking. Generally most would think of an upload as coming from the terminal (i.e. the i/o tool you are working from, in this case a laptop) and a download going to the terminal.

Originally posted by SubaFastR
It is actually intuitive. Your laptop is physically above the ecu. You download to the ecu when you store and upload from the ecu when you begin. Everything is relative to one's point of view and SubaFastR has offered a simple and effective "point of view" to use when dealing with the documentation associated with this ECU. Why does anyone consider this to be a problem? ECU's predate the internet and just maybe Microsoft got it's terminology wrong (for the first time?).

I agree I don't see why it would be a problem as long as it is consistent and made somewhat clear in the terms' first usage. I would hope that the context in which the terms are first used would at least leave it clear which way the data should be flowing. But upload and download predate the internet and Microsoft.

If you have seen the software the buttons say "upload from" and "download to". The terms are incorrect. and welcome to 2004. jeez. sometimes this board I tell you.

Those term are wrong even in 1978. They are upload to ( a smaller medium to a larger medium) and download from (a cargo plane). I think the terms by now should be understood.

anyways... I've been thinking whether or not to write some sort of document for this thing... but i'm beginning to have reservations.

www.dictionary.com

Upload: to send data to a central server
Download: to get data from a central server

Being that the lap top in the case of the ecu would be the "central server" you would be downloading the map to the ecu.

despite all that, i have to agree... being an IS dork myself i tend to use the term Upload because i think of sending any data outside my workstation regardless of the various mediums as an upload, even if its not technically correct by the dictionary... all my geek friends understand. lol

Maybe it's some strange Canadian dialect. :) :lol: :)

Originally posted by Jon [in CT]
Why does anyone consider this to be a problem?

It's not a problem, it's nitpicking...an activity with which you ought to be intimately familiar. :)

So the Aussies who put it together screwed up their terminology, who cares? It's not as though it's a huge stumbling block to actually using the UTEC.

By the way, I agree about the woefully substandard manual. Of course they have other things that keep them busy but there is something to be said for spending a bit of money to hire a technical writer who produces documentation for a living.

I have a question about the datalogs. What format(s) can you save the datalogs in? Is there an option to save it as a simple tab delimited text file?

Thanks,

- Steve

The ecu is designed by a Chinese man and Singaporean. They have it made in Asia somewhere. No Aussies were used...since we are having so much fun nitpicking here ;)

Originally posted by SubaFastR
No Aussies were used...

Disclaimer: "No Aussies were harmed in the making of this ECU."

:lol:

Originally posted by Warp3
Disclaimer: "No Aussies were harmed in the making of this ECU."

:lol:

Actually, since it is taking sales from Aussies, they were indeed hurt. No kangaroos were hurt though; that's for sure.

Thanks for all of your opinions. :rolleyes:

If you just want to PM me how to save the initial map to disk when first plugging in the ECU I would be appreciative.

Computers are not my friends. Go figure people who work on a computer all day long don't have a problem with this. :rolleyes:

Losing the map to this sounds exactly like something that would happen to me. So unless you know exactly which way the software is directing info, and care to alleviate my fears of magic boxes, go sit on a pineapple.

cheeRS,

Greg

Greg, do you even have the ecu yet?

No. I am going to want to mess with it as soon as it gets here. So I would like to save the initial map as the first order of buisness, to clear the way to f with everything (easiest way to learn computer things for me).

cheeRS,

Greg

The 12th cant come soon enough. Only one more week! Although i been sayin that for 2 months now... lol its all good though im sure it will be worth the time and money.

Originally posted by Section 8
No. I am going to want to mess with it as soon as it gets here. So I would like to save the initial map as the first order of buisness, to clear the way to f with everything (easiest way to learn computer things for me).

cheeRS,

Greg

Press "upload from ecu"
Press "maps"
Go to "file"
Got to "save as"
name it and remember where you put it.
Then, once you are tired of the ecu not working, sell it.

Originally posted by SubaFastR
The ecu is designed by a Chinese man and Sinagporian . They have it made in Asia somewhere. No Aussies were used...since we are having so much fun nitpicking here ;)

Hi hi, I happen to be chinese and from Singapore as well.
over here we prefer to be called Singaporeans!

thanks :lol:

Done :)

did you get yours running subafast?

HOK sent me his map, but it was sent in all text - numbers and letters. How do i get that into the hydra? do i paste it in notepad or something and save it in the format the hydra needs? thanks for the help..

if you have the hydra software loaded onto your computer, you should be able to open it, using the hydra software. Otherwise your computer won't recognize what it is... I am sure you knew that, but I figured I would throw that in there just in case... If the hydra software is loaded try to right click on the file and use "open with" then click on the hydra software logo, and you should be able to open it. But Im sure you knew that too!!! :banana:

yeah... it didnt come as a file... it was text in the email...

would the notepad idea work?

Originally posted by masiolli
did you get yours running subafast?

I sold that crappy ecu and and am in the middle of doing my WRX swap. No ecu is better than stock.

sorry man... yahoo must have just treated it as a txt file since it detected it... I have sent as zip...


tired from tuning...

ZZZZZZZZZZ

i talked to Andrew from hydra last night... he had me send him my map.. and there wasnt one... so he sent me the map i was supposed to have, walked me though it, and got it on the hydra... he said you cant exchange maps because the passwords will not match... he gave me my password and it was like 50 characters long... numbers and letters upper and lower case... it was insane!

anyways... after getting the new map.. tried to start my car, and nothing still...

the SAFC is still wired in... and out of no-where it lost all its settings.. which leads me to believe that there is a bad connection somewhere... so i'm going to remove the SAFC hopefully today, and reconnect everything securly... then im going to take the coil to autozone and have them test it... and while im there im going to pick up some new plug wires (one of mine is getting bad... so might as well get new ones now)

after all that, i will see if i can get it to start with the hydra... if not, then we have some major problems...

take out the S-AFC completly and see

Phil and I just found something out - do NOT use Yahoo mail to send hydra maps. It changes the size from 29.8kb to 29.4kb... does something funky to them. I was unable to open ANY map that I had requested from people (MR2s, subarus, you name it).

Check your file size!

After their anti-viruses scan the files, etc file size always changes. They are not the only ones, almost every free email company that scans attachments will do it.

Originally posted by masiolli
i talked to Andrew from hydra last night... he had me send him my map.. and there wasnt one... so he sent me the map i was supposed to have, walked me though it, and got it on the hydra... he said you cant exchange maps because the passwords will not match... he gave me my password and it was like 50 characters long... numbers and letters upper and lower case... it was insane!

anyways... after getting the new map.. tried to start my car, and nothing still...

the SAFC is still wired in... and out of no-where it lost all its settings.. which leads me to believe that there is a bad connection somewhere... so i'm going to remove the SAFC hopefully today, and reconnect everything securly... then im going to take the coil to autozone and have them test it... and while im there im going to pick up some new plug wires (one of mine is getting bad... so might as well get new ones now)

after all that, i will see if i can get it to start with the hydra... if not, then we have some major problems...

I swear nobody is reading my posts here. Check your harness, Andrew is famous for building bunk harnesses.

Originally posted by masiolli
i talked to Andrew from hydra last night... he had me send him my map.. and there wasnt one... so he sent me the map i was supposed to have, walked me though it, and got it on the hydra... he said you cant exchange maps because the passwords will not match... he gave me my password and it was like 50 characters long... numbers and letters upper and lower case... it was insane!



does anyone else think this is a bit excessive? any reasoning behind the password protection? it seems like it makes map sharing very difficult.

I don't see why you would HAVE to turn on the password... there is an option for it.

1 - If anyone besides yourself will be tunning, you can make sure that person doesn't screw up your map.

2 - That same person can "steal" you map(s)

3- The reason for the 50 characters password, is that is will take more time to crack, if anyone would like to sit down and waste his/her time. :D

Originally posted by SubaFastR
I sold that crappy ecu and and am in the middle of doing my WRX swap. No ecu is better than stock.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

it's all good though I'll see how it turns out. :)

Anyone have any maps for an RSt or a map runnning Rs heads on a STi sb they can email me. Heck even a bone stock RS map? I wanted to do some passes at the local track.. Stock RS, Rs with ECU, Rs-t and RST w/ STI block.
Just PM me
thanks,
Rob

Originally posted by DarthChicken
Phil and I just found something out - do NOT use Yahoo mail to send hydra maps. It changes the size from 29.8kb to 29.4kb... does something funky to them. I was unable to open ANY map that I had requested from people (MR2s, subarus, you name it).

Check your file size!

To get around this. Zip the file up first using a password. Include the unzip password in the body of the email so the recipient doesn't have to struggle too much. :)

The antivirus software can't open/scan the password protected zip file and just sends it on.

You can thank some of the email worms from the last year for this idea. It was kinda successful according to Symantec.

Pulp.

hi guys... i'm running along well with the tuning on the hydra... I am boosting and running a little rich but just need some more tweaking... I have not used the higher level options like AFR target and auto tune... but the only thing that I have encountered is my air temp sensor is not reading consistant. I beleive this has more to do with my ground then anything...

I have come up with a way to change the map without using the spreadsheet provided. I am using a small excel applet that a friend and I have developed. When we work out the bugs I will post this applet for others to use so that we can use excel to cut and paste and extrapolate like it should have came in the software. I don't really know how far to take this hacking of the software. Do you guys think there will be much demand? Also that manual... someone has to write one... I don't have much time.. but it would be great if Element can do it, because its in dire need of some REAL documentation... please post your thoughts...

so far so good...

have you seen the writeup on www.mrcontrols.com?

http://www.mrcontrols.com/products/nemesis.htm

Its not too bad, and between it and the the hydra manual, I've got 90% of the stuff figured out (I think :) ). The AVCS map I don't understand at all (PWM Map 9, the X and Y coordinates mean nothing to me) and I'm sure there are little tricks and faults we'll find as we start using it.

I guess what I'm saying is, its probably a little early for a user to be writing a manual. So far, there are no WRX users, no STi users, a handful of 2.5 users.... but when the time comes I'd be more than happy to contribute.

Originally posted by RobertFusco
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

it's all good though I'll see how it turns out. :)

Anyone have any maps for an RSt or a map runnning Rs heads on a STi sb they can email me. Heck even a bone stock RS map? I wanted to do some passes at the local track.. Stock RS, Rs with ECU, Rs-t and RST w/ STI block.
Just PM me
thanks,
Rob

didn't I send you the cd?

Originally posted by SubaFastR
didn't I send you the cd?

nope :( . Is it small enough to zip and email? was there a manual?All I got was the harness, ecu a buisness card and a video tape.
thanks,
rob

lol

Kevin,

Am I missing a few things???

Boost solenoid

Bracket and hardware to attach solenoid to firewall

Boost solenoid to Hydra Nemesis 2 cable


CD with software and base map

Not sure if all these things pertain to our vehicles...


Cold start MAT sensor plate with mounting hardware

GM MAT sensor

MAT sensor wire

10' laptop cable (with easy disconnect to thread through firewall to passenger cabin)

Bracket that bolts Hydra Nemesis 2 and plug and play adapter securely to the stock ECU mounting holes

4' of 4mm vacuum hose

4mm tee

½" grommet

manual?

Originally posted by Eraz3r
The 12th cant come soon enough. Only one more week! Although i been sayin that for 2 months now... lol its all good though im sure it will be worth the time and money.

I was told it wasn't coming in until the 21st of July! and I ordered mine back in march/April

Originally posted by RobertFusco

Boost solenoid - not included with Hydras
Bracket and hardware to attach solenoid to firewall - no such thing
Boost solenoid to Hydra Nemesis 2 cable - no such thing
CD with software and base map - thought I sent it, now searching
Cold start MAT sensor plate with mounting hardware - No such thing
GM MAT sensor - This is integrated with your stock MAF or MAP
MAT sensor wire - No such thing
10' laptop cable (with easy disconnect to thread through firewall to passenger cabin) NO, and don't put your ecu in the engine bay
Bracket that bolts Hydra Nemesis 2 and plug and play adapter securely to the stock ECU mounting holes - No such thing
4' of 4mm vacuum hose - Not included
4mm tee - not included
½" grommet - not included
manual? - It didn't exist when I bought the Hydra and to my knowledge, didn't exist when I shipped you yours.

Kevin, thanks for clarifying!
one more thing..

You and your pics. Ok, it is about 6 weeks old. It includes the harness for a 2.5 RS, boos solenoid and map. You can just email the owner of Hydra and tell him what car you have and that you bought mine. He will email you a good map for your setup. I'll take a pic or two tonight for ya.
Kevin

quote:

RobertFusco wrote on 06-01-2004 05:47 AM:
Tempting..now to the typical pre-sale questions, How old is it? Does it come with a harness?boost solenoid? Map included and for what MY? and of course ..do you have any pics.
thanks!
Rob

then whats the boost solenoid thats included? :confused:

I forgot I included it in the purchase. The boost solonoid isn't included with a Hydra purchased at retail. I had to pay extra for it. I'll ship it out with the CD that has the software and map.

no problem, thanks for the quick replies. do you still have the sensaphone address?
thanks again,
Rob

no, please email it to me.
K

pm'd ya

Originally posted by masiolli
the SAFC is still wired in... and out of no-where it lost all its settings.. which leads me to believe that there is a bad connection somewhere... so i'm going to remove the SAFC hopefully today, and reconnect everything securly... then im going to take the coil to autozone and have them test it... and while im there im going to pick up some new plug wires (one of mine is getting bad... so might as well get new ones now)

after all that, i will see if i can get it to start with the hydra... if not, then we have some major problems...

Got new plug wires, removed the SAFC and the safeguard, still no start... tested the coil... cylinders 1 & 2 were blown... the hydra blew it because there was a map made for a V6 loaded in... My mechanic brought his coil over to test it.. and my car started right up and ran like normal...

NeaD, you should check yours too... i posted better on rs25.com so check there...

My coilpack was toast when Andrew gave my car back to me.

I had a dwell trim setting prob too....

Originally posted by HOK
I had a dwell trim setting prob too....

Ya, he had cranked up the dwell when he fried my pack.

We should hear something today about the wrx and evo units, right? RIGHT?! :D

Originally posted by DarthChicken
We should hear something today about the wrx and evo units, right? RIGHT?! :D

hahaha, we had better hear something!! :D

just did a 20 psi run yesterday... pulls very hard and I have got the ECu down, drivability is good.

HOK, you're killing a few of us that are waiting for this thing. :)

It will be fun to see how yours deals with temp correction. I had to retune mine to and from work, every time. When Andrew and I first hooked up the temp sensor, I asked him if we needed to adjust anything. He said it was all automatic. Then, when I complained of it not working, he said it needed to be adjusted.

that must be the new automatic manual adjustment feature...oh man im scared,.

I think one of the big benefits the wrx guys are going to see is working with Phil at Element. His base maps are sure to be better (example he actually uses one in his daily driver wrx), so I'm not too concerned. And with the nightmares that went along with the Link ECU (you get cold and hot start for example, and hope that its a straight line between the two, without the ability to control things) I'm prepared to do battle if need be :disco:

welll then... Let the battle begin.