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MSM Racing
04-15-2004, 11:41 PM
http://www.msmracing.com/images/KW_STI_V3_FRONT.jpg

Highlights:
INOX stainless steel construction.
Different high-speed/low-speed compression rates.
Limited lifetime warranty.

We will be stocking two versions for the WRX:
Variant 1: Height adjustable (lowers 20-50mm front/rear)
Variant 3: Height adjustable (lowers 20-50mm front/rear), infinitely adjustable rebound, 14 level adjustable compression

For the STi, the Variant 3 lowers 30-55mm front and 25-50mm rear.

Spring rates:
~350lb front (WRX) (http://www.msmracing.com/pdfs/60110020_KW60_170_hochfest.pdf)
~450lb front (STI) (http://www.msmracing.com/pdfs/60110047_KW80_170_hochfest.pdf)
Progressive rate rear (WRX/STI) (http://www.msmracing.com/pdfs/60210053_KW4501.pdf)

Pricing:
WRX V1 $1475 shipped (MSRP $1640)
WRX V3 $1995 shipped (MSRP $2225)
STi V3 $2150 shipped (MSRP $2390)

We can have Variant 3 kits built with custom spring rates for $150 extra. We can also have KW's race shop build the their two-way race kits per your specifications.

Mike
sales@msmracing.com

deft
04-19-2004, 07:19 PM
Any feedback from customers who have installed this kit?

MSM Racing
04-19-2004, 11:38 PM
Recently we've been working with a customer on a Variant 3 setup designed to his specifications (custom springs/valving). He should have the kit installed soon, and will hopefully post his opinions here.

There are a couple threads in the Brakes & Suspension forum with feedback from people with KW setups.

We have V3 kits on both our STi and our WRX. We're biased though. :)

Mike

Egan
04-20-2004, 03:33 PM
Glad to see someone is carrying these for the Imprezas. I've been seriously considering the V3 for my STi. Do you have links to the threads in the suspension forum - can't search for 'KW' due to the the 3 letter minimum.

deft
04-20-2004, 05:23 PM
not many good links, i've been searching around =\

Egan
04-20-2004, 05:38 PM
I know the KW is big in the VW world, but it would be nice to find some Suby owners who have used it as well.

driggity
04-20-2004, 07:08 PM
There hasn't been much said about these on this board, but you will find a number of very good reviews over on www.scoobynet.co.uk I got some good information on these over there when I was looking at them about a year ago. The Variant 3s would probably be my choice if I were to get coilovers but I just can't justify the expense currently.

deft
04-21-2004, 01:13 AM
I couldn't find very many good reviews, I only managed to find I think 2, and the threads weren't very long =\. So I posted for myself on there.

MSM Racing
04-22-2004, 09:30 PM
Here's the link to Deft's thread on Scoobynet: KW Variant 3 anyone? (http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=321020)

This is a very streetable kit that really soaks up the bumps. We'll be able to comment more on track performance after we take our cars to Mid-Ohio next month.

deft
04-22-2004, 10:52 PM
Heh, very thorough of ya.

kenchan
04-29-2004, 09:48 PM
What kind of top mounts do these KW's come with?
Pillow mount type or just replacing the factory mounts?

Can you get front camber adjustable pillow mounts for
these?

MSM Racing
04-30-2004, 05:43 PM
Kenchan,

The KWs do not come with top mounts. They've been designed to work with the factory top mounts (both '02 and '04 rears as well).

We're working with a manufacturer to test camber/caster plates with the KW kits. We should have the results in a week or two, and will then be able to offer a package solution.

kenchan
04-30-2004, 08:52 PM
Thanks.

Any piston noises or spring noises (clunks, squeeks, etc) from
these v1 and v3's?

Is the v3's rebound externally adjustable without disassembling
the strut assembly? Not sure how that slider at the bottom
works... :confused:

MSM Racing
04-30-2004, 11:54 PM
No clunks or squeeks. I have the rear seats out of my sedan, so I can hear a "gush-gush" noise when the piston compresses. This isn't noticeable when the seats are installed.

The rebound is adjusted at the top of the piston rod with an allen key. Front access is no problem, for the rears in a sedan you would need to remove the seats.

Compression (bump) is adjusted with a valve at the bottom of the damper.

kenchan
05-01-2004, 09:55 AM
thanks for the info. :)

deft
05-02-2004, 07:59 AM
Would it be possible to fashion a little adjustment knob, so you don't have to take out the rear seats to adjust the rebound?

MSM Racing
05-03-2004, 06:49 PM
Deft,

On the rears, there is a metal cap that I leave off so you can access the top of the piston rod (alternatively you could drill a small hole in it). Normally most of the adjustments happen after the initial installation. At this time, some people leave the top of the seatback unhooked, so that it can be pulled forward to access the rebound adjustment. Removing the seats entirely isn't too bad, only takes a few minutes (just 5 bolts).

Wagon guys don't have this issue, as the strut tops are easily accessible.

Egan
05-12-2004, 05:03 PM
Any word on the package solution?

MSM Racing
05-13-2004, 01:18 AM
Egan,

Were still waiting on the camber plates, as there was a slight manufacturing delay. Current ETA is another week and a half.

Egan
05-13-2004, 10:38 AM
Keep us informed. This coilover kit is on my short list.

Egan
05-24-2004, 06:46 PM
Your week and a half is up! :D

Free bump.

MSM Racing
05-24-2004, 11:07 PM
Egan,

The good news is that I received the camber plates today.

The bad news is that the spring perch on the plates isn't the right size. Going to try and get this resolved as soon as possible.

Thanks for your patience.

jawbrkr
05-25-2004, 01:47 AM
wow.. only if i wouldve known kw made suspension for subarus. huge thumbs up, kw is one of the best brands for vw/audi's and now expanding to subarus, excellent company, excellent products. :D

MSM Racing
05-28-2004, 01:33 AM
The camber/caster plates, courtesy of Ground Control, were installed on the STi tonight. The plates themselves are quite nice, and went on without a hitch.

I took some quick measurements and was able to adjust from 0 to -3.7 degrees of camber. This was with the caster setting of the plates and the stock camber bolt both adjusted to try and maximize negative camber.

I haven't had a chance to test drive it yet. We're going to Mid-Ohio in a few days, so the whole setup will get a workout.

Egan
05-28-2004, 05:36 AM
Did you get the over strut tower camber plates or the under strut tower type?

MSM Racing
05-28-2004, 11:31 AM
We used the under tower variant.

Egan
05-28-2004, 01:14 PM
Did that reduce your suspension travel or limit the amount of lowering?

deft
05-29-2004, 04:54 PM
Just to chime in, I drove a guy's car today who had the V3s today. Went over some bumpy roads, it wasn't cushy thats for sure, but not what I would consider unlivable at all. And this was at a track-biased setting, so I'm sure that it could be softened up even more for daily use.