Anyone have an opinion on which should go into my 2.2L? Anyone have price ranges? Reliability? Driveability? Thanks

Brandon

USDM, mainly for resale value. If it can pass emissions(even if your state doesn't have them) then I think it'll make it all that more appealing to a buyer if you were to ever sell it. Plus that they can go to any dealer for parts. Also you can go to any junk yard with a wrecked WRX to get all the little parts you'd need for a swap that most likely won't come with a JDM engine and wiring diagrams are easy to come by.

wrx for price. Jdm ver. 5 or 6s will have high miles... the 7 and 8 is going to cost a lot more.

Read some of the posts here. Just getting a JDM running can be a nightmare. I went usdm and I'am so thankfull I did.

It's cool to say you have a JDM engine but you're gonna spend a good deal more to get it running than a USDM. The older ones were ment to run on different fuel than you can get here and the newer ones will cost you at least 4-6 grand but they can be reflashed.

Do a quick search in this forum and all your questions will be answered since they have already been covered.

Z

If you can afford USDM, or are worried about emissions, do that. If you cant afford alot, and dont care about emissions, do JDM.

Originally posted by Kostamojen
If you can afford USDM, or are worried about emissions, do that. If you cant afford alot, and dont care about emissions, do JDM. What????:confused: JDM will make your wallet ALOT smaller compared to usdm. The honda boys made sticking a JDM in a usdm car popular and it works good for them,in subaru land it just does not make sense. Alot of people just look at the hp and torque numbers of the two and just figure the jdm is superior without taking other factors into account. Don't forget that with only a tubo back and reflash on a usdm you have already exceded a jdm's power output on 93 octane no less. The end.

Originally posted by imprezaclipse
What????:confused: JDM will make your wallet ALOT smaller compared to usdm. The honda boys made sticking a JDM in a usdm car popular and it works good for them,in subaru land it just does not make sense. Alot of people just look at the hp and torque numbers of the two and just figure the jdm is superior without taking other factors into account. Don't forget that with only a tubo back and reflash on a usdm you have already exceded a jdm's power output. The end.
Reflash + turbo back = $1500-2000. Older JDM engines (ej20g, etc.) that are 240-280hp stock can be easily had for under $1500 (I got one for $700, but it was in pieces so that doesnt count). Comes with a larger turbo to begin with as well. USDM engines are at least $2k still, unless you luck out. With an older JDM engine, the wiring is a bit easier and more compatible with GC's. (One of the reason USDM swaps are annoying electronically is because you are putting a GDA engine into a GC/GM, especially if you do it 100% properly ala I-speed, etc.)

So in the end, you probably save well over $1000 going JDM (unless you go new-school JDM, but that wasnt ever specified) and you start with more power to begin with.

But, dont expect to get the swap authorized by a rep.

There are a lot of factors that will dictate what a swap costs.

Heck, my USDM complete drivetrain swap all said and done cost about as much as your engine alone. ;)

Eby: SO you got a USDM WRX engine/drivetrain swap and installed for that cheaply.....Hmm, hard to belive, where did you get it from then? I could afford that and so could everyone else.

This thread is the exact thoughts i will be having when time comes. USDM WRX or JDM WRX w/ TD05 engine/drivetrain swap. If you had the TD05 and such you can reach around the 300hp range with less mods and less $. That is what I would go for. I don't have to worry about emissions here, so to me I don't care. And no plans to sell car are even being thought of. I guess all in all I will wait to see what is around when I can buy and install.
-Joe

Originally posted by Kostamojen
Reflash + turbo back = $1500-2000. Older JDM engines (ej20g, etc.) that are 240-280hp stock can be easily had for under $1500 (I got one for $700, but it was in pieces so that doesnt count). Comes with a larger turbo to begin with as well. USDM engines are at least $2k still, unless you luck out. With an older JDM engine, the wiring is a bit easier and more compatible with GC's. (One of the reason USDM swaps are annoying electronically is because you are putting a GDA engine into a GC/GM, especially if you do it 100% properly ala I-speed, etc.)

So in the end, you probably save well over $1000 going JDM (unless you go new-school JDM, but that wasnt ever specified) and you start with more power to begin with.
Well ok but those older JDM's have what 40,50,60k+ on them??? Not to mention they have been handle by how many people who don't give two shiznits about you and your motor. I got my usdm with less than 100 miles on it,yes 100 miles, so I guess you could say it was a no brainer for me to go usdm. There will always be different situations but from what I've seen just reading this forum, USDM is the way to go hands down.I added in my origional post the fact that with a turbo back and reflash on a usdm you still get to use 93 octane not the super high stuff jdm's require.

I have a Version IV STI RA and I can Run on 91 Octane safe but no Less...and if you ever want to do a turbo uprade JDM is ready to go...I just swapped my VF-24 for a VF-22 and No extra upgrades like Injectors, Fuel Pumps and ECU's just swap and Go...

Ron

Originally posted by imprezaclipse
Well ok but those older JDM's have what 40,50,60k+ on them??? Not to mention they have been handle by how many people who don't give two shiznits about you and your motor. I got my usdm with less than 100 miles on it,yes 100 miles, so I guess you could say it was a no brainer for me to go usdm. There will always be different situations but from what I've seen just reading this forum, USDM is the way to go hands down.I added in my origional post the fact that with a turbo back and reflash on a usdm you still get to use 93 octane not the super high stuff jdm's require.

what power numbers are we talking about at 93 octane with only turbo back exhaust and a reflash?

Originally posted by stentorian
Eby: SO you got a USDM WRX engine/drivetrain swap and installed for that cheaply.....Hmm, hard to belive, where did you get it from then? I could afford that and so could everyone else.

I did my swap in January 02 when WRX takeoffs were a hot commodity. I got a wrecked WRX for 1800. Did all the work myself and sold parts I didn't need from the wreck(brakes, steering wheel, stereo, etc, etc). All said and done came out around $750 spent IIRC. With the STI parts being the hot ticket today it would be hard to make back as much as I did back then with a WRX swap. Course if I could find a good deal on a STI wreck like I did with the WRX back then I imagine I could do an STI swap pretty cheap.

The state I'm currently in requires you to have some special licenses to purchase salvaged vehicles though. :(

Originally posted by 911renegade
what power numbers are we talking about at 93 octane with only turbo back exhaust and a reflash?
probably between 195-210 at the wheel, depending on the dyno and the exact mods.

Originally posted by Eby
I did my swap in January 02 when WRX takeoffs were a hot commodity. I got a wrecked WRX for 1800. Did all the work myself and sold parts I didn't need from the wreck(brakes, steering wheel, stereo, etc, etc). All said and done came out around $750 spent IIRC. With the STI parts being the hot ticket today it would be hard to make back as much as I did back then with a WRX swap. Course if I could find a good deal on a STI wreck like I did with the WRX back then I imagine I could do an STI swap pretty cheap.

The state I'm currently in requires you to have some special licenses to purchase salvaged vehicles though. :(
Thats just insane... 1800 for a wrecked WRX :eek: Usually they are like 6-8k if the engine actually works

Not to mention how freakin fast you car is :p I still like to show off the vid of you running that 12 second quarter :D

For my Numbers on the Version IV STI RA..I used a Mustang Dyno and It was Bone stock except for the ARC AirBox, and a Scoobysport exhaust...On 92 octane I had 221WHP@7250 RPM with 175LBS Torque....I'm looking to re-run since I swapped Turbo and installed the 3 Inch Blitz NUr Spec...

Ron