i got it installed and tweaked by jorge today. one word- torque! holy crap. the thing rips when it comes on boost. i have a minor boost leak, so i have to fix that this weekend. its making me lose boost at higher rpms.

one thing though. when we were road tuning it, we didnt get high enough in 5th or 6th...i hit boost cut in 5th (22.5psi) and in 6th, if i floor it at all for more than 2 seconds, i get boost cut. oh yeah, knock too. woot.

so for now, it will be my "really fast on the street, but dont come near me on the highway (because i will have to concede)." where is that disco potato??? :(

ps- my mods are:
blitz sus
coated and wrapped gruppe-s header
coated and wrapped godspeed uppipe
godspeed downpipe
greddy evo
worx bov
utec

Where did you bought the UTEC at? I'm from Chicago too, and I want to know where you getting the hook up.. :D

Originally posted by happasaiyan
i got it installed and tweaked by jorge today. one word- torque! holy crap. the thing rips when it comes on boost. i have a minor boost leak, so i have to fix that this weekend. its making me lose boost at higher rpms.

one thing though. when we were road tuning it, we didnt get high enough in 5th or 6th...i hit boost cut in 5th (22.5psi) and in 6th, if i floor it at all for more than 2 seconds, i get boost cut. oh yeah, knock too. woot.

so for now, it will be my "really fast on the street, but dont come near me on the highway (because i will have to concede)." where is that disco potato??? :(

ps- my mods are:
blitz sus
coated and wrapped gruppe-s header
coated and wrapped godspeed uppipe
godspeed downpipe
greddy evo
worx bov
utec

:lol: Knock and boost cut? Superb! :rolleyes: You might want to turn the boost down. :)

~v6

yeah, you better turn the boost down

Might want to port the wastegate.

Kevin

since i have the boost leak, we had to turn up the boost a tad (i wasnt getting more than 13psi with the base map)...so once i fix the leak, then i can put it back to the base map and see how it goes.

when we tested it on the street, there was no signs of knock or boost cut, so it wasnt a problem until after i already left and i got on the highway.

!!

I don't understand, shouldn't the UTEC be able to mitigate boost creep? There was another device out there called eboost that could do that.

This really sucks, I just want 1 package that works and have fun, no more worries.

Please advise

Originally posted by happasaiyan
since i have the boost leak, we had to turn up the boost a tad (i wasnt getting more than 13psi with the base map)...so once i fix the leak, then i can put it back to the base map and see how it goes.

when we tested it on the street, there was no signs of knock or boost cut, so it wasnt a problem until after i already left and i got on the highway.


Explain to me about you turned up the boost? So you chose a map that made more boost?

happasaiyan: I'm curious why you got a UTEC and who is tuning it. Running 22psi on a VF39 and having knock with your UTEC after "tweaking by Jorge" sure sounds to me like you have no idea what you're doing. I hope you have a lot of money. Best of luck.

"The UTEC for STI is released. Let the problems begin." --BK

Originally posted by MontrealSTi
I don't understand, shouldn't the UTEC be able to mitigate boost creep?
Sure... if it magically ports your wastegate while you sleep.

Originally posted by MontrealSTi
!!

I don't understand, shouldn't the UTEC be able to mitigate boost creep? There was another device out there called eboost that could do that.

This really sucks, I just want 1 package that works and have fun, no more worries.

Please advise

The eboost doesn't do anything for you in regards to boot creep. There's is someone on one of the forums that purchased this device and it edidn'tdoanything. :lol:

You already have a package that works and you have no worries with. It's called the STi. Nothing in this world is ever free without some kind of catch. ;)

i possess reading comprehension skills. unlike other people on this board. thanks, mods.

Originally posted by MontrealSTi
!!

I don't understand, shouldn't the UTEC be able to mitigate boost creep? There was another device out there called eboost that could do that.

This really sucks, I just want 1 package that works and have fun, no more worries.

Please advise

No, the UTEC will not fix boost creep. Boost creep is a mechanical issue that no electronic boost controller is going to fix.

However, I do like Cabal's idea of the "UTEC magically porting your wastegate while you sleep". I'll talk to Pete and see what he can do about that with the next software upgrade. ;)

Mark
TurboXS

Originally posted by lstepnio
The eboost doesn't do anything for you in regards to boot creep. There's is someone on one of the forums that purchased this device and it edidn'tdoanything. :lol:

You already have a package that works and you have no worries with. It's called the STi. Nothing in this world is ever free without some kind of catch. ;)

yeah that was me. someone said they got it and it cured their creep, so i thought i would give it a try. the eboost allows you to open the wastegate at a set psi to try to relieve the pressure well in advance. i set it to open the wastegate at 0.1 psi and it still didnt cure it. the only fix is a mechanical one. the eboost itself is a very very nice ebc. you can tweak it, and if youre drag racing, you can probably get full boost by 2500-2700rpms. letting boost come on this fast makes the car ptfb really easily, thats why i said its best just for racing. i got the car to be ptfb free, and it still made full boost by 3000rpms.

Originally posted by SGOSWRX
Explain to me about you turned up the boost? So you chose a map that made more boost?

we just modified the boost map.

I know who Jorge is. Good luck with your car.

Let me clarify some things here.

A: There are a few issues Jason needs to sort out before we tune it.

B: I made sure the parameters, and map were performing within their means.

C: Boost cut is set at 22 PSI to act as a "reminder" that the car is creeping if it got there.

D: With the boost leak, we mirrored the base map and set the boost values to 500 across the board to see what would happen if we basically told the UTEC to run 100% duty cycles all the time. I could have done this in open loop boost mode, but since the base map is in closed loop I did this for test purposes.

E: Even at 100% duty cycle there wasn't enough exhaust energy making it through the turbine under 5th gear to get more then 16PSI. In 5th it would hit 19'ish, so to give him something remotely interesting to drive on the street I left that "test map" on their for him to play with until the header leak is sorted out this weekend, at which time he will switch back to the normal map until we schedule our tune.

F: With the knock system, I oversensatized it in the parameters file to be overly cautious until it's properly tuned. So it could show knock on a fast clutch out, LOL. Can you tell I like to err on the side of caution?

Hope that helps clear some stuff up. :)

I'll say this... when he was hitting 19 PSI and actually following the curve it's meant to run, it RIPPED. Wow..

Fear not folks. Jason's car is fine, and will continue to be fine.

So stop raining on his parade and give him his moment of happiness ;)

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

thanks, jorge. :cool:

Originally posted by happasaiyan
thanks, jorge. :cool:

;)

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Dun Dun A Daaa.... Jorge to the rescue, haha. Congrats on the UTEC happasainyan!! I think Jorge will be tuning my car also whenever i can get back up to STL to get tuned. Either him or Ron... I dont know. Hey Jorge, will you PM me the knock sensitvities that you used for his car?? I want to put them in mine until I get tuned too but dont wanna go overboard. Thanks man!

Richard

Richard: PM sent ;)

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Originally posted by eightballrj
Dun Dun A Daaa.... Jorge to the rescue, haha. Congrats on the UTEC happasainyan!! I think Jorge will be tuning my car also whenever i can get back up to STL to get tuned. Either him or Ron... I dont know. Hey Jorge, will you PM me the knock sensitvities that you used for his car?? I want to put them in mine until I get tuned too but dont wanna go overboard. Thanks man!

Richard

thanks! when you getting yours?

Oh, I have a utec already... I have mutt block... wrx heads with sti block and cams. I hope to be getting tuned in the next month or so again. We got the dyno tune done with Ron but didnt get enough time to do the road tune and all.


Thanks Jorge!!:D


Richard

Originally posted by eightballrj
Oh, I have a utec already... I have mutt block... wrx heads with sti block and cams. I hope to be getting tuned in the next month or so again. We got the dyno tune done with Ron but didnt get enough time to do the road tune and all.


Thanks Jorge!!:D


Richard

ahh...nice. good luck. :)

Originally posted by adamrmr
yeah, you better turn the boost down

next to the loudness button, below the treble knob.

So Guys,

I am a local too (Dekalb, NIU area) and have been thinking about the Utec as part of my upgrade path but have been patiently waiting like everyone else and saving some cash for it. It sounds like its a very worth while mod.


I know that the Utec comes with Base maps and all but is there a place in the Chicago area that does final tweaking ?

Jorge , are you in this business or just a diehard doing this for close buddies ? Im sorry if I dont know your name :)

I am new to this turbo business but not to fast cars in general and am wondering if there is a club or something around that does custome tunes etc.. ?

Happasaiyan , Sounds like your car will be super sweet once you get it dialed in. Look forward to seeing it in person some time.

Boost creep and knock... :rolleyes: I'm not calling you down dude but if you have the time and energy to deal with these problems... go for it.

I myself will wait for the Prodrive PPP and granted I may not make as much power, my car WILL be faster than it is NOW and I will have zero problems hopefully and peace of mind.

Glad to hear you like it!:cool:

Originally posted by essogas
Boost creep and knock... :rolleyes: I'm not calling you down dude but if you have the time and energy to deal with these problems... go for it.

I myself will wait for the Prodrive PPP and granted I may not make as much power, my car WILL be faster than it is NOW and I will have zero problems hopefully and peace of mind.

Glad to hear you like it!:cool:

Thats a very uneducated statement. Thinking that an ecu will cause boost creep is way out of line. Boost creep is caused by improper wastegate flow. And if you think that the utec is the reason for knock your insane. The utec is the reason that you know you have knock. With any other ecu you wouldent know unless they had knock detection tools and warnings. But you know what they say "ignorance is bliss."

Mike

Originally posted by essogas
Boost creep and knock... :rolleyes: I'm not calling you down dude but if you have the time and energy to deal with these problems... go for it.




22psi on a base-map designed to just touch 19psi and fall off from there is going to knock. Actually this map wasn't a base-map, it was a tuned map from our STI. Jorge said he wanted to get something to show off at a Subaru meet and I shipped him what I had at the moment.

No matter what ECU you use, you will NOT get rid of a real boost creep problem since it's a mechanical issue. If you have boost creep with the stock ECU you will have the same amount with the UTEC. There is no way for the UTEC to control a true mechanical waste-gate problem.

The UTEC thresholds are set so that it hears "knock" much sooner then you ever would. With the stock ECU however, I’ve listened to cars detonate very loudly and seen the stock ECU power though it. If the UTEC didn’t flash the CEL at you, I doubt you’d ever even know you were detonating.

Originally posted by Boydz


Jorge , are you in this business or just a diehard doing this for close buddies ? Im sorry if I dont know your name.



FWIW Jorge was one of the original beta testers for the first WRX UTEC when it was covered in goop months before its release back in SEPT 2002. He's helped alot.

Some of the best info on these forums has been written by Jorge.
Look up the "call to arms" thread

He does tuning now as a business

I would let him tune my car anytime.

Originally posted by Wombat North
FWIW Jorge was one of the original beta testers for the first WRX UTEC when it was covered in goop months before its release back in SEPT 2002. He's helped alot.

Some of the best info on these forums has been written by Jorge.
Look up the "call to arms" thread

He does tuning now as a business

I would let him tune my car anytime.

Word!

With the exception of Mark and Nathan @ TurboXS nobody ( If you think I'm wrong you better be able to back it up heavily! ) on this board has as much experience and understanding of the UTEC and the tuning of the Subaru ECU with it.

I would let Jorge tune my car, my bike, even my lawn mower (inside joke :lol: ).

-Dylan

Originally posted by downshift1
Word!

With the exception of Mark and Nathan @ TurboXS nobody ( If you think I'm wrong you better be able to back it up heavily! ) on this board has as much experience and understanding of the UTEC and the tuning of the Subaru ECU with it.

I would let Jorge tune my car, my bike, even my lawn mower (inside joke :lol: ).

-Dylan

I would say that Phil(Element Tuning) is right up there as well.

You can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish.

Another update on my setup. Took the car into TurboXS this afternoon after work and Nathan and Jermaine took it out to retune it slightly. I was having some very slight knock and overboosting a little. There was an incorrect setting in the parameters controlling the boost control solenoid and this has been corrected.

I've only put about 30 miles on it since then but so far I've had no knock and no boost creep/overboost. I've romped on it pretty hard in 4th and 5th at high load and it's running real good so far. It's also a little smoother as they set the turbo to come into full boost a little smoother (it was a little "jumpy" before). I will find out more tomorrow when I get a chance to drive it a little more.

Also, I feel very comfortable having a UTEC on my car. It is much safer to run really hot on the UTEC than it is to do anything with the stock ECU. The stock ECU would keep advancing timing into severe knock and eventually pull it back. The UTEC can detect knock and retard timing before it get's too severe.

Jesse

Are you logging for the no knok/creep information or is this just what you're hearing and feeling?

well, I guess I'm ignorant then :lol: Oh well, can't be an expert in everything, I guess.

Originally posted by Boydz
So Guys,

I am a local too (Dekalb, NIU area) and have been thinking about the Utec as part of my upgrade path but have been patiently waiting like everyone else and saving some cash for it. It sounds like its a very worth while mod.


I know that the Utec comes with Base maps and all but is there a place in the Chicago area that does final tweaking ?

Jorge , are you in this business or just a diehard doing this for close buddies ? Im sorry if I dont know your name :)

I am new to this turbo business but not to fast cars in general and am wondering if there is a club or something around that does custome tunes etc.. ?

Happasaiyan , Sounds like your car will be super sweet once you get it dialed in. Look forward to seeing it in person some time.

To not hijack the thread, you should check out the midwest forum and come out to our weekly meets on Thursdays, we can discuss stuff more in depth then.

All: thanks for the kind words :)

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

well today, i tracked down the leak i was having, and then installed the tuna and map switch.

when i drove it around on the base map again, it was boosting more than it did when i had the leak and the boost values were higher.

i modified my boost map a little more so i tried a limited space 5th gear run and boost stopped right at 1.4 bar. nice. no knock at all, either, even when i overboosted with the base map. im going to still see how this map goes...

Why the hell were you trying to tune when you had a boost leak?

That's retarded.

Originally posted by FiKtIOn
Why the hell were you trying to tune when you had a boost leak?

That's retarded.

Man, is it just me or did the level of maturity and comprehension drop from the 2.0 to 2.5 forum.

:lol:

Bud, read the thread...

We weren't tuning the car, never did we say we tuned the car, we've said over and over again that we simply tweaked somethings while he fixed the issue. Tweaked it so he wouldn't have an issue.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Originally posted by FiKtIOn
Why the hell were you trying to tune when you had a boost leak?

That's retarded.


tHiNk bEfoRe yoU sPeAk, rEaD bEfoRe yoU poSt FiKtIOn.

fic·tion:

-An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented.

-A literary work whose content is produced by the imagination and is not necessarily based on fact.

Originally posted by RiftsWRX
Man, is it just me or did the level of maturity and comprehension drop from the 2.0 to 2.5 forum.

:lol:


Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com



I have noticed that too...

It's not 2.0 vs. 2.5. It's just that this board has grown to over 50,000 users. As the number of users grows the population of jackasses grows with it. Unfortunately the segment of the population that is most boisterous are the ones you least want to hear from.

Originally posted by StiDreams
Unfortunately the segment of the population that is most boisterous are the ones you least want to hear from.

Ancient Korean wiseman (actually a martial arts instructor) once compared people to soda can with coins inside it. The more full the can, the less noise it made. ;)

Originally posted by StiDreams
It's not 2.0 vs. 2.5. It's just that this board has grown to over 50,000 users. As the number of users grows the population of jackasses grows with it. Unfortunately the segment of the population that is most boisterous are the ones you least want to hear from.

Another way of putting it: "Those who know the least, know it the loudest."

Originally posted by supermarkus
Another way of putting it: "Those who know the least, know it the loudest."

I like that :)
I know of two people here and that fits them very well!

I'm excited that the UTEC is out for the STi and look forward to reading about all the great things it will do for an already great car.


-Scott A.

Originally posted by supermarkus
Another way of putting it: "Those who know the least, know it the loudest."

Yes lately all we hear are the somnambulistic ramblings of a few narcoleptics:banana: whatever happened to a group of people w/ common interests trying to help each other out whilst having a good time? Seems lately, everyone's a critic. The anal retentiveness here has a pucker factor off the charts at times.

Yes!!
If you post any #s from dyno or 1/4 mile then your are beaten up.
You are told countless reasons why they are false.
So why does anyone post #s?
Unless of course you are the tuner or a close friend of said tuner then it is gospel.
Of course there are so many factors that can cause each of these #s to be off but there is very little sense of community in here or even in the local forums.
We are all excited about the new engine management lets not resort to bashing each other because some one is enjoying his new toy. I can remember in the very early 80's getting a BMX bike for christmas that I wanted so bad. Being so excited, on a snowy christmas day I wanted to ride it against my mothers choice. I ended up flipping it into a ditch with it on top of me and scratching it all up. But I loved that bike cause it was a BMX. Lets let those that are excited be excited and encourage them with there newfound love. Alot of what I read and get is hate I would like to see it not be this way.
Sorry for posting off subject but this has been bothering me for a while.

i dont mind that these posts are off topic...they confirm what ive been feeling about this forum since day one, really...its just that there is so much good knowledge here, that i think it is worth it to be a part of one of the best resources for knowledge on our cars. just wish it didnt have to be so negative most of the time. :(

Ditto!

Originally posted by 2003 sedan
Ditto!

What they said! Let's get back to having fun:)

This thread in a nutshell:

happasaiyan says, in at least two posts, that he has a "boost leak." It turns out he has an exhaust leak. He's clearly clueless. However, he's probably clever enough to correctly interpret his boost guage when it reads 22.5 PSI boost.

nmyeti explains that the term "base-map" being bandied about in this thread is anything but.Actually this map wasn't a base-map, it was a tuned map from our STI. Jorge said he wanted to get something to show off at a Subaru meet and I shipped him what I had at the moment.

RiftsWRX installed that "base-map" in happasaiyan's STi, with one major change: he upped the boost.... we mirrored the base map and set the boost values to 500 across the board to see what would happen if we basically told the UTEC to run 100% duty cycles all the time. I could have done this in open loop boost mode, but since the base map is in closed loop I did this for test purposes. ... Even at 100% duty cycle there wasn't enough exhaust energy making it through the turbine under 5th gear to get more then 16PSI. In 5th it would hit 19'ish, so to give him something remotely interesting to drive on the street I left that "test map" on their for him to play with until the header leak is sorted out ... Can you tell I like to err on the side of caution?

Afterward, happasaiyan easily "achieved" 22.5 PSI of boost after only 2 seconds of WOT in either 5th or 6th gear.

Once I noticed he confused "boost leak" and "boost creep"
That was the point I stopped paying attention.

~v6

:lol:

Tomato, tobacco, tomacco, hehe...

Must be envy Jason, LOL! ;)

Some up-tight people around here. Gotta love the play on word arguements going on. Oh well...

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Originally posted by Cocoa Beach Bum
This thread in a nutshell:

happasaiyan says, in at least two posts, that he has a "boost leak." It turns out he has an exhaust leak. He's clearly clueless. However, he's probably clever enough to correctly interpret his boost guage when it reads 22.5 PSI boost.

nmyeti explains that the term "base-map" being bandied about in this thread is anything but.

RiftsWRX installed that "base-map" in happasaiyan's STi, with one major change: he upped the boost.

Afterward, happasaiyan easily "achieved" 22.5 PSI of boost after only 2 seconds of WOT in either 5th or 6th gear.

thanks for showing your reading comprehension skills here.

lets dissect this, shall we?

any leak BEFORE the turbo is both an exhaust leak AND a boost leak. do you understand the logic behind that? i would explain that to you, but you might pay attention to that as much as youve paid attention to all the other things ive said. :rolleyes:

when i said "base map" i meant MY base map. the map that came with MY UTEC. this is getting really tedious to have to explain everything in excruciating detail.

jorge upped the boost to compensate for the previously mentioned boost leak. following me so far, or do i have to type slower?

afterwards, it DID take me only 2 seconds of WOT in 5th or 6th gear to hit 22.5psi because it seems that my exhaust leak sealed up with the extended driving. do you understand how that could happen? heat = expands. small leak = able to be sealed with the expansion of the metal. still following me?

when we did some test runs to make sure everything was running ok, we only hit maybe 5krpms in 5th gear due to space limitations. everything seemed to be ok, until i got on the highway after i had already left to go home. still with me?

after hunting down the leak and fixing it, i then proceeded to modify my own boost map, and now have my max psi @ 1.35bar.

also since you think im a complete idiot, let me just explain a few things here. the only thing not installed by MYSELF on my car was the UTEC which was installed by jorge when i got it...since hes done 5 million of these things, he just threw it in and we were off. i have installed everything else in my own car. my header, my uppipe, my downpipe, my exhaust, my bov, 2 different boost controllers, an egt probe, my sound system, my boost gauge, the TUNA....im sure there are more that im not thinking of.

and since were talking about the tuna, i now have the ability to grab more accurate logs. and since i can do that, i did. and you know what? everything seems to be within spec on my car. egts arent too high...afr isnt too lean...boost isnt too high (anymore)...everything is fine. my car is fine. and you know what? even if you think i am an idiot and my car is in some kind of trouble, why dont you just save your own breath because no one here wants to listen to you constantly ramble and bitch about things that show that you currently read at a 2nd grade reading level.

Originally posted by V6TurboTA
Once I noticed he confused "boost leak" and "boost creep"
That was the point I stopped paying attention.

~v6

please, enlighten me. please show me where this was.

Originally posted by happasaiyan
please, enlighten me. please show me where this was.

Don't let em get to u buddy-there's always 1 or 2 in every office.:) Glad ur enjoying your car and please keep us posted on your progress. thnx.

Originally posted by happasaiyan
please, enlighten me. please show me where this was.

You make it seem like everything you said was clear as day.

Also you edited a key post 6 minutes before posting this question... wonder why? :rolleyes:

You said you have a boost leak, and your hitting boost cut in the same post.

Now MY common sense would tell me that if you have a boost leak, and your STILL hitting boost cut your either getting boost creep, or your boost is set WAY too high. Assuming that you were not an idiot and would never set the boost at 22psi I figured you had boost creep.

My fault for making an assumption

~v6

Originally posted by V6TurboTA
Also you edited a key post 6 minutes before posting this question... wonder why? :rolleyes:


a moderator edited that post for me. it said "i lack people skills" then i changed it to what it is now.

Originally posted by V6TurboTA
You said you have a boost leak, and your hitting boost cut in the same post.


that was true. i did have a slight boost LEAK...
ive also been getting boost CREEP for many months now. when im on the highway, the boost LEAK seems to close up...which allows me to CREEP and hit boost CUT.

maybe my posts werent clear as day...but i dont think they made me sound as "clueless" as someone else posted.

happasaiyan you are doing fine....

Now that wg is the problem.

I'm afraid to put my SBC id on as I've got the same problem.
But no UTEC...

Once a mech fix is available (bigger flapper), we'll be able to push the VF39 til it bleeds.

thx.

yeah, im not even going to bother with the wastegate...im going to get a bigger turbo in a couple months anyways. ive had creep for 9 months now, so ive learned to just back off when my boost gauge buzzes. im just waiting on the turbo. :)

Originally posted by odin1
Don't let em get to u buddy-there's always 1 or 2 in every office.:) Glad ur enjoying your car and please keep us posted on your progress. thnx.

I'll second that.

Originally posted by happasaiyan
i modified my boost map a little more so i tried a limited space 5th gear run and boost stopped right at 1.4 bar. nice. no knock at all, either, even when i overboosted with the base map. You're deluding yourself about your engine's lack of knock when your stock turbocharger is boosting pressure to 20.3 PSI (and higher during 'overboost') in 5th. Good luck on that - you'll need lots of it.

i have the tuna (knock sensor installed). when i made some runs yesterday, it did knock one pull out of 4. i then made the boost a little less aggressive. the time that i originally posted (the one you quoted) it did not knock...i have been logging almost nonstop and i looked over those logs and there was no knock. so are you trying to tell me that my car is knocking and that the knock sensor isnt functioning properly or that the logs are lying to me? :rolleyes:

Back on topic...

How is the stability of the boost control with temperature changes? Any better than the WRX UTEC? Any swings in temp in your area?

Originally posted by Abe Froman
Back on topic...

How is the stability of the boost control with temperature changes? Any better than the WRX UTEC? Any swings in temp in your area?

W/the UTEC installed on my car I have found consistent boost in all gears w/varying outdoor temperatures (i.e., high 50s to mid 80s temperature variance).

happasaiyan says, in at least two posts, that he has a "boost leak." It turns out he has an exhaust leak. He's clearly clueless.

:rolleyes:

you do understand where this so called boost comes from dont you??

:lol:

Originally posted by Abe Froman
Back on topic...

How is the stability of the boost control with temperature changes? Any better than the WRX UTEC? Any swings in temp in your area?

there hasnt been enough of a temperature variance to tell. it hasnt been more than 10 degrees diff from all the times i drove with the UTEC so far. today is a little bit warmer, so maybe ill be able to see if there is any today.

If people are having severe issues with boost in CLBC, A: the ABC is open way too much... B: the gain is set way to low!

If I don't need to open the ABC, I don't open the ABC at all.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Originally posted by happasaiyan
... and if youre drag racing, you can probably get full boost by 2500-2700rpms.


I do most of my drag racing at those rpms too... :D :rolleyes: :D

Originally posted by TexRex2002
I do most of my drag racing at those rpms too... :D :rolleyes: :D

:lol: rofl! oops. haha :lol:

what i meant was that if youre going WOT then you dont have to worry about ptfb, and youll make boost quickly...but then didnt even think that when drag racing, you wont be anywhere near 2700rpms...LOL. brain fart. :p

Originally posted by Cocoa Beach Bum
You're deluding yourself about your engine's lack of knock when your stock turbocharger is boosting pressure to 20.3 PSI (and higher during 'overboost') in 5th. Good luck on that - you'll need lots of it.

Didn't Jorge say he INCREASED the sensitivity of the knock sensor on the UTEC in this installation? I'm pretty sure I read that a few posts back. Anyway, with the WBO2 and the datalogging going on, knock should be very easily detected and tuned around. I look forward to seeing some of this data in graphical form. Hint, hint.

4th gear pull-

1980 -7.7 2.5 101 10 00 W/B +33.3 10.6 +25.0 +0.4 425.00 2.4 >25:1
2132 -5.1 2.5 101 10 00 W/B +31.6 11.7 +25.0 +0.3 425.00 2.5 17.25
2112 -2.2 2.6 101 10 00 W/B +29.8 12.7 +25.0 +0.4 425.00 2.5 16.53
2222 -0.2 2.6 101 10 00 W/B +29.1 13.2 +25.0 +0.3 425.00 2.7 16.89
2225 +0.2 2.6 101 10 00 W/B +28.5 13.8 +25.0 +0.2 425.00 2.7 16.80
2305 +0.6 2.7 101 10 00 W/B +26.8 15.2 +25.0 +0.2 425.00 2.8 16.69
2354 +1.3 2.8 101 20 00 W/B +25.6 16.1 +19.1 +0.2 425.00 2.8 16.69
2410 +1.9 2.8 101 20 00 W/B +23.8 17.1 +18.2 +0.2 425.00 2.9 16.44
2483 +2.7 2.9 101 20 00 W/B +21.5 19.6 +17.3 +0.2 425.00 2.9 15.94
2540 +3.5 3.0 101 30 00 W/B +19.8 20.9 +17.0 +0.3 350.00 3.0 15.65
2587 +4.3 3.0 101 30 00 W/B +17.9 22.6 +17.0 +0.5 350.00 3.2 15.44
2707 +5.3 3.1 101 40 00 W/B +16.7 26.1 +17.0 +1.2 350.00 3.3 15.50
2736 +6.8 3.3 101 50 00 W/B +14.5 31.3 +16.0 +2.0 350.00 3.5 15.58
2896 +8.2 3.4 101 60 00 W/B +12.1 41.0 +16.0 +3.6 350.00 3.6 14.70
3055 +10.0 3.6 101 70 00 W/B +11.9 47.9 +15.0 +4.3 350.00 3.8 13.53
3183 +12.3 3.7 101 80 00 W/B +11.2 47.3 +14.0 +4.5 350.00 4.0 12.75
3287 +14.1 3.8 101 90 00 W/B +11.5 51.6 +13.8 +4.6 350.00 3.9 12.17
3408 +15.5 3.9 101 90 00 W/B +11.4 58.0 +14.5 +3.3 350.00 4.0 11.71
3561 +16.4 3.9 101 90 00 W/B +11.4 59.6 +14.5 +3.3 350.00 4.0 11.49
3675 +17.2 3.9 101 100 00 W/B +12.1 62.6 +14.5 +3.3 350.00 4.1 11.48
3724 +17.2 3.9 100 100 00 W/B +12.8 67.3 +15.5 +3.2 350.00 4.1 11.52
3930 +17.2 4.0 101 90 00 W/B +14.2 69.0 +16.5 +2.8 350.00 4.1 11.42
4120 +17.2 4.0 100 90 00 W/B +14.8 69.1 +16.8 +3.0 350.00 4.1 11.27
4177 +16.6 4.0 101 90 00 W/B +14.9 69.7 +17.3 +2.7 350.00 4.2 11.20
4368 +16.4 4.1 101 90 00 W/B +15.3 73.7 +17.8 +2.7 350.00 4.2 11.27
4456 +16.6 4.2 101 90 00 W/B +15.8 76.7 +18.4 +2.9 350.00 4.2 11.43
4559 +15.9 4.2 100 90 00 W/B +16.0 80.5 +18.8 +2.9 350.00 4.3 11.45
4761 +16.1 4.2 100 90 00 W/B +16.3 83.9 +19.5 +0.2 350.00 4.3 11.28
4873 +16.8 4.2 100 90 00 W/B +16.6 87.7 +19.7 +1.6 350.00 4.3 11.17
4967 +17.0 4.3 100 90 00 W/B +17.1 83.1 +20.1 -0.1 350.00 4.3 11.14
5120 +17.0 4.3 100 90 00 W/B +18.0 81.2 +20.5 -0.1 350.00 4.3 11.20
5249 +16.6 4.3 100 80 00 W/B +17.9 88.2 +21.2 -0.1 350.00 4.3 11.42
5341 +16.1 4.3 100 90 00 W/B +17.8 89.9 +21.3 -0.3 350.00 4.3 11.53
5464 +16.1 4.3 101 90 00 W/B +18.2 83.6 +21.8 -0.5 350.00 4.3 11.58
5546 +16.1 4.3 101 90 00 W/B +18.3 87.7 +22.1 -0.5 350.00 4.3 11.58
5630 +15.7 4.4 100 80 00 W/B +18.1 89.1 +22.3 +0.0 350.00 4.4 11.62
5878 +15.1 4.4 100 80 00 W/B +18.5 88.5 +22.5 +0.0 375.00 4.4 11.67
5837 +14.1 4.4 100 80 00 W/B +18.8 92.3 +22.7 +0.0 375.00 4.3 11.58
6116 +13.9 4.4 100 80 00 W/B +18.8 92.7 +22.8 -0.1 375.00 4.3 11.58
6150 +13.7 4.4 100 70 00 W/B +19.5 91.4 +23.4 -0.6 375.00 4.3 11.61
6116 +13.3 4.4 100 70 00 W/B +21.0 90.4 +23.4 -0.6 375.00 4.3 11.58
6195 +13.5 4.4 100 70 00 W/B +21.8 88.6 +24.8 -0.7 375.00 4.3 11.65
6313 +13.3 4.3 101 80 00 W/B +22.1 92.3 +25.3 -0.2 375.00 4.3 11.71
6410 +13.1 4.3 100 70 00 W/B +23.1 89.7 +25.3 -0.8 375.00 4.3 11.68
6435 +13.1 4.4 100 70 00 W/B +23.9 90.0 +25.7 -1.0 375.00 4.3 11.73
6600 +12.9 4.4 100 70 00 W/B +25.7 88.6 +26.0 -1.1 375.00 4.3 11.84
6640 +12.3 4.4 100 70 00 W/B +26.8 88.0 +26.5 -1.1 375.00 4.3 11.93
6775 +12.3 4.4 100 70 00 W/B +28.3 84.2 +27.1 -1.0 375.00 4.3 12.02
6901 +12.3 4.4 100 70 00 W/B +28.9 84.1 +27.3 -1.0 375.00 4.3 12.21
7002 +12.5 4.4 98 70 00 W/B +31.0 85.1 +27.2 -1.0 375.00 4.3 12.39

btw, yes jorge did increase knock sensitivity...and when it does detect knock, pulls quite a bit of timing back. i forgot the exact numbers...i looked at them last friday.

You are lean.

I never meant for your car to run on that map; that map was from our STI and is how I’ve been driving it daily.

If I had known Jorge was going to install this UTEC without fully tuning it, I would not have sent him that map.

With that said, it LOOKS like its running ok, but it is lean for my taste. I would also take at least 1 degree, possibly 2 out of the top end as I know I’ve got more advance there then needed on my “test” map.

-Nathan

yep...the full tune is coming...hopefully this week.

im still new to the utec...and tuning for that matter...but i have been following wrx's and the utec for a couple years now...and i am VERY eager to learn now that i have one on my car.

to me, it looks like i need to add fuel above 3000rpms and above 60% load (as well as the aforementioned removal of timing up top (esp above 6k). the question is how much would i have to add to bring me to a more comfortable level?