Anyone know what they will be getting? There have already been impressive dyno runs with the UTEC on a stock STI, but anyone know what to expect from the STI AccessPort? I imagine the AccessPort won't be able to match the performance gains of the UTEC, but has advantages due to its other cool features. Let me know if this question has already been beaten to the ground.

you would think that they both would be some what close on a stock car.. the ap can grow with your upgrades down the road though. But i dont know about the diffrences between the two on a stock car..

oh and does the Utec website give you any dyno numbers? if so compair them to the ones on the cobb site

according to my recent research - the STi can gain between 30-40whp and 50-60wtq from either of these forms of engine management...

i have decided on the accessport because i had cobb stage 2 on my wrx and was nothing but completely satisfied... not to mention it holds 10 maps and is almost half priced, but then you have to realize these are really two different animals...

UTEC - customizable but requires extensive amounts of tuning
AP - based on off-the-shelf maps and may not get the most power, but offer the most reliability...

it's a tough decision, but take your time and do your research - you really can't go wrong

I dont have an STi, but the ont problem i see is that you guys can pick any of a large variety of turbos,(that are too large for a 2.0) whereas on the WRX a CRAPTON of ppl chose VF3x turbos. What im saying is that you may not be able to get an AP map for say a T67 as redily as you could get the AP map for a VF turbo on a WRX.

Originally posted by CKxx
What im saying is that you may not be able to get an AP map for say a T67 as redily as you could get the AP map for a VF turbo on a WRX.

If your running a t67 on a wrx or sti you need your head checked. ;)

Originally posted by capaWRX
UTEC - customizable but requires extensive amounts of tuning
AP - based on off-the-shelf maps and may not get the most power, but offer the most reliability...



Basicly... thats it... but I would say the ecu is only as good as the person tuning it. What do you want from the car?


Theres a good thread close to this topic here...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=545082

Originally posted by 1DOWNCLOWN
oh and does the Utec website give you any dyno numbers? if so compair them to the ones on the cobb site

Cobb's site has yet to post dyno results for the AP on an STI.
The utec has been dynoed around 30 whp and a little more in torque. pretty dang good if you ask me...
I think I will in the end go for the AP for STI when it comes out it May....well I will probably wait for dyno results.
I like how I could use the AP for a boost gauge and a security system (cause my car isn't coming with either option).
Thanks for the input...would like more if anyone's got some

Each have their advantages as stated by the other posts. The more conservative thing to do is just wait until they are both out and have concrete numbers backing them up. I know it is hard to resist the mod bug, but you may save yourself money and hardaches (screwing up your car) in the long run. Just my opinion though. I waited and really am happy I did, but it was hard I assure you.

Originally posted by jsavage
Cobb's site has yet to post dyno results for the AP on an STI...

this is true, but you could estimate from the results ESX has posted in another thread - after all the accessECU/Port/Tuner are closely based on the ECUTek technology...

I find it odd that the COBB site doesn't list a single map for any APS products. Confusing...since they pushed APS soo hard when they were based in Texas and the first part of their stay in Utah.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/wrx/accessport/


Originally posted by jsavage
Cobb's site has yet to post dyno results for the AP on an STI.
The utec has been dynoed around 30 whp and a little more in torque. pretty dang good if you ask me...
I think I will in the end go for the AP for STI when it comes out it May....well I will probably wait for dyno results.
I like how I could use the AP for a boost gauge and a security system (cause my car isn't coming with either option).
Thanks for the input...would like more if anyone's got some

Originally posted by projectmp
I find it odd that the COBB site doesn't list a single map for any APS products. Confusing...since they pushed APS soo hard when they were based in Texas and the first part of their stay in Utah.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/wrx/accessport/

Why? No one is pushing unchips anymore.... well almost no one. They were just to limiting, so cobb swiched to something easy, cheeper, and much better. And something they made and control themself making for much better customer service then APS had given.

I like the AP but can you connect it flash, then un-connect and have the flash maintained or does it always have to be hooked up to the OBD2 port, in which case where do you mount it?

Originally posted by capaWRX
this is true, but you could estimate from the results ESX has posted in another thread - after all the accessECU/Port/Tuner are closely based on the ECUTek technology...



None of the AccessECU technology is based on ECUTek technology. Where did you get this information?

Originally posted by oman
None of the AccessECU technology is based on ECUTek technology. Where did you get this information?

LIAR!!!!!!!!!! You are l33t h4x0r!

:p

jorge, shhh. wouldn't want oman to get in trouble for DMCA violations. :)


*hugs oman* :alien:

Nah... John knows I love him ;)

Toto...

It's not about the UNICHIP. The issue is with the other APS products. SR30, SR40, Up-pipe, APS Turboback exhausts. Why don't they have a map based on someone using ANY of the APS products???

Originally posted by totoherbs
Why? No one is pushing unchips anymore.... well almost no one. They were just to limiting, so cobb swiched to something easy, cheeper, and much better. And something they made and control themself making for much better customer service then APS had given.

well you don't need an uppipe map, and there already is a turbo-back map, and the APS turbos are expensive and not alot of people use them. Cobb use to push that setup because they had some kind of connection with them. They no longer do and make all there own stuff now...

quick question though on the utec vs AP. With the utec, you will have to re-tune your car everytime the weather changes drastically right? with the AP, it adapts correct? The impression i get is that with the utec you have complete control, while the AP is more set it and forget it. The AP will come close to the utec in terms adjustability however when the tuner comes out.

Originally posted by Focus4
well you don't need an uppipe map, and there already is a turbo-back map, and the APS turbos are expensive and not alot of people use them. Cobb use to push that setup because they had some kind of connection with them. They no longer do and make all there own stuff now...



And the SRs while nice on paper dont show good in the real world.

I am expecting you to comment based upon what you have 'personally' seen with APS turbos. Keep in mind that tons of people buy high dollar equipment...but have a crappy tuner. I have a great one! ;)

Have you forgotten that the relationship between Cobb and APS is what put Cobb on the map? And btw, Cobb doesn't manufacture their own turbos. I am not a national spokesperson for APS. But what I would expect is for Cobb to produce some AP maps for rexs that use APS products.

It's almost like Microsoft building a new application that won't run on Windows 2000....capiche????


Originally posted by totoherbs
And the SRs while nice on paper dont show good in the real world.

I am expecting you to comment based upon what you have 'personally' seen with APS turbos. Keep in mind that tons of people buy high dollar equipment...but have a crappy tuner. I have a great one! ;)






Search the on the SR40... a number of well known, good, tuners have said they dont perform as well as the on paper specs would lead you to think.


Have you forgotten that the relationship between Cobb and APS is what put Cobb on the map? And btw, Cobb doesn't manufacture their own turbos. I am not a national spokesperson for APS. But what I would expect is for Cobb to produce some AP maps for rexs that use APS products.


I know of cobb and thier past yes.... they dont manufacture or sell any turbos do they? ;) Why? Thier maps work with aps parts... if you mean the aps turbos, im sure they have some maps for that if you call them. But thoes are not streetable or cost effective turbos for most people the vf30/34 are so it makes sense that thoes would be thier stage 2.5/3 maped turbos.


It's almost like Microsoft building a new application that won't run on Windows 2000....capiche???? [/B]
You are the only person I have ever seen that thought like that...
:confused:

I just dont get that logic at all...

:disco:

I've done plenty of searches. And that's why I chose the SR40. I'm make good whp with only 17psi (max). I have a very conservative tune because I am trying to plan my next stage carefully. When listening to jargon...I try to give the person who's bumpin their gums a chance to backup what they say. You haven't been able to do that.

Hopefully, someone from Cobb...maybe even Trey himself...can answer this.

Talk what you "KNOW" and let the rest go. :)

Originally posted by totoherbs
Search the on the SR40... a number of well known, good, tuners have said they dont perform as well as the on paper specs would lead you to think.



I know of cobb and thier past yes.... they dont manufacture or sell any turbos do they? ;) Why? Thier maps work with aps parts... if you mean the aps turbos, im sure they have some maps for that if you call them. But thoes are not streetable or cost effective turbos for most people the vf30/34 are so it makes sense that thoes would be thier stage 2.5/3 maped turbos.


You are the only person I have ever seen that thought like that...
:confused:

I just dont get that logic at all...

I know that there's a lot of people that want their mods now, but there's also a lot of us that don't have the bank do it all at once. I'm looking at an accessport, which should do fine for me for the next year or so. by which time the accesstuner should be out. The tuner is much closer to the UTEC in both expected functionality and price. If you want to run an 'odd' turbo, the AccessTuner is probably a better match. But for stock, TBE, and basic mods the 'port should suffice.

Originally posted by projectmp
:disco:

I've done plenty of searches. And that's why I chose the SR40. I'm make good whp with only 17psi (max). I have a very conservative tune because I am trying to plan my next stage carefully. When listening to jargon...I try to give the person who's bumpin their gums a chance to backup what they say. You haven't been able to do that.


Talk what you "KNOW" and let the rest go. :)

:lol: :lol:

Hey its your money but when people like this say what they have I wouldnt waste my money on an overpriced turbo.


Originally posted by AZScoobie
Its the cams and block making that power. The SR40 and SR50 POS. With a Green or AVO this car would jump right over 400.

Love those cams....

Clark
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=536628&highlight=sr40


Second... SR turbos have never performed very well. Its just the fact of life. Some people have had decent luck with them and thats great. But in real world terms there are better choices. The exhaust housing holds those turbos back in a big way. using a small housing like they do was an attempt to gain spool up(theory). What happend was an increase in backpressure and more lag(theory).

I have tuned SR turbos many times and they just never make big power. SR40s and Sr50's just dont have it... I have ran them up to 26 psi before and failed to get real power out. I tuned Pegdgr's SR in houston on C16. We worked hard and ended up with 330whp from memory. Not bad at all.. But, An FP green at about the same boost made 399whp and had less lag.... J and I both wanted his car to pound out lots of power but the sad truth was in.. That SR has to go.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=511655&highlight=sr40




Originally posted by Z1 Performance

While I would take the SR series off the list (they seem great on paper, but have not seen it translate to execution one time to my memory), though the 1820 and AVO units seem to have driven some pretty respectible dyno's out there.


Adam
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=510966&highlight=sr40



Originally posted by god
Most I've gotten on an SR40 on pump fuel is 311 whp. MOst fall between 290-300 whp. It works reasonably well but frankly I expected more.

Originally posted by TexRex2002
We have a 2.0 sr40 car here in Houston (where we have 93 gas), and it was unable to comfortably get much over 300whp on a dynojet. Part of that may have been a wastegate issue. The car ran real strong on an SR 30, but there's somethnig funny about the sr40. Even with some c16 it only got into the low 300s (like 325 or so). It was a very reputable tuner that had flown here for a dyno day, and the big power just wasn't in the sr40. Maybe it was just that particular one, but it really made the paper specs look overly enthusiastic...

Originally posted by projectmp
Have you forgotten that the relationship between Cobb and APS is what put Cobb on the map? And btw, Cobb doesn't manufacture their own turbos. I am not a national spokesperson for APS. But what I would expect is for Cobb to produce some AP maps for rexs that use APS products.

There's a short and long answer to this one. The short is, we don't sell APS products. If we did, we'd make maps for APS equipment....but we don't.

We did have a relationship with APS when the WRX first came out. If that "put us on the map" with some customers, that's fine but we were actually here long before. Also keep in mind that most of the current Subaru product offering APS has stemmed from my design input...new front mounts, 65mm intake, fuel rail kit, etc etc... So I guess it could be argued both ways as to who benefited most from the relationship.

There are a lot of other reasons why I'm not fully geared up to make maps for any APS products but they are not issues that would be professional for me to post in a public forum.

The best answer I can give you at this point is that we're working as hard as possible to get the ProTuner out as soon as possible. This will allow those that do sell APS products to make maps for them. Until then, don't expect us to make them.

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB Tuning

Originally posted by Cobb Tuning
There's a short and long answer to this one. The short is, we don't sell APS products. If we did, we'd make maps for APS equipment....but we don't.

We did have a relationship with APS when the WRX first came out. If that "put us on the map" with some customers, that's fine but we were actually here long before. Also keep in mind that most of the current Subaru product offering APS has stemmed from my design input...new front mounts, 65mm intake, fuel rail kit, etc etc... So I guess it could be argued both ways as to who benefited most from the relationship.

There are a lot of other reasons why I'm not fully geared up to make maps for any APS products but they are not issues that would be professional for me to post in a public forum.

The best answer I can give you at this point is that we're working as hard as possible to get the ProTuner out as soon as possible. This will allow those that do sell APS products to make maps for them. Until then, don't expect us to make them.

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB Tuning

whoa! good call trey! so any word on those cobb badges yet :p ?


Originally posted by kinger
I like the AP but can you connect it flash, then un-connect and have the flash maintained or does it always have to be hooked up to the OBD2 port, in which case where do you mount it?

yes you can d\c the AP when not in use....

You have no idea what I paid for my APS components. Trust me...NONE were purchased for the prices that have you soo bent out of shape.

Be a smart shopper. Get a better product for a better price.

You sound like you've been suckered a few times. :banana:



Originally posted by totoherbs
:lol: :lol:

Hey its your money but when people like this say what they have I wouldnt waste my money on an overpriced turbo.

Trey,

Sounds like there is some bad blood between Cobb and APS...and I can understand your professionalism.

In any case...keep up the good R&D.

Originally posted by Cobb Tuning
There's a short and long answer to this one. The short is, we don't sell APS products. If we did, we'd make maps for APS equipment....but we don't.

We did have a relationship with APS when the WRX first came out. If that "put us on the map" with some customers, that's fine but we were actually here long before. Also keep in mind that most of the current Subaru product offering APS has stemmed from my design input...new front mounts, 65mm intake, fuel rail kit, etc etc... So I guess it could be argued both ways as to who benefited most from the relationship.

There are a lot of other reasons why I'm not fully geared up to make maps for any APS products but they are not issues that would be professional for me to post in a public forum.

The best answer I can give you at this point is that we're working as hard as possible to get the ProTuner out as soon as possible. This will allow those that do sell APS products to make maps for them. Until then, don't expect us to make them.

Cheers,
Trey @ COBB Tuning

Originally posted by projectmp
You have no idea what I paid for my APS components. Trust me...NONE were purchased for the prices that have you soo bent out of shape.

Be a smart shopper. Get a better product for a better price.

You sound like you've been suckered a few times. :banana:

yeah and i bet you can find those products that are alot cheaper then APS to begin with (and better), for much cheaper then the APS products you got. Cosidering if you were a "smart shopper".

I just noticed the release date for the STI and XT as 5/31 for the accessport.

Focus4,

Shop for what you wish. I think I understand you but your verbiage is choppy. Are you a product of a public school system? NJ?

Originally posted by Focus4
yeah and i bet you can find those products that are alot cheaper then APS to begin with (and better), for much cheaper then the APS products you got. Cosidering if you were a "smart shopper".

This part sucks about the AccessPort:
From Cobb Site
Due to limitations within the ECU's flash memory, one can only successfully reprogram it approximately 100 times. In response to this challenge, our engineers developed a LIMITLESS Map Switching system. This means you can switch between maps as often as you like quickly, easily, and without ever reducing the life of your ECU's flash memory.

Originally posted by projectmp
Focus4,

Shop for what you wish. I think I understand you but your verbiage is choppy. Are you a product of a public school system? NJ?

Yeah i couldn't phrase that clearly. And yeah i went to NJ public schools. Northern NJ public schools are actually some of the best in the country FYI... nationally ranked baby :disco:

Originally posted by dsmperformance
This part sucks about the AccessPort:

You can only use the base maps about 100x. The real-time maps you can use as many times as you want. You would probably only use a base map maybe 2 -3x...

Originally posted by dsmperformance
This part sucks about the AccessPort:

The LIMITLESS Map Switching system sucks?

Originally posted by totoherbs
The LIMITLESS Map Switching system sucks?
No, this does...
Due to limitations within the ECU's flash memory, one can only successfully reprogram it approximately 100 times.

Originally posted by dsmperformance
No, this does...
Due to limitations within the ECU's flash memory, one can only successfully reprogram it approximately 100 times.

And the it says...

our engineers developed a LIMITLESS Map Switching system. This means you can switch between maps as often as you like quickly, easily, and without ever reducing the life of your ECU's flash memory.

So...... :confused: How many times do you plan on changing the maps any way? Daily? :confused:

sounds like he's missing the point of the AP......

Originally posted by totoherbs
And the it says...


So...... :confused: How many times do you plan on changing the maps any way? Daily? :confused:
I am just saying, there is a limitation and I don't like fact that there is a limitation! I'm not saying the AccessPort sucks, its the STi ECU limitations. I'm not dissing the AP, by all means.

Originally posted by TreyS
sounds like he's missing the point of the AP......
I'm not missing anything, I completely understand the point of the AP. I am actually considering one myself!

yes, but do you understand, there are 2 kinds of maps, and one of them you can switch as many times as you want. So your "problem", it doesn't exist, they engineered AROUND that problem....

Originally posted by Focus4
yes, but do you understand, there are 2 kinds of maps, and one of them you can switch as many times as you want. So your "problem", it doesn't exist, they engineered AROUND that problem....

Yes, I understand.

Originally posted by dsmperformance
I am just saying, there is a limitation and I don't like fact that there is a limitation! I'm not saying the AccessPort sucks, its the STi ECU limitations. I'm not dissing the AP, by all means.


I'm not missing anything, I completely understand the point of the AP. I am actually considering one myself!

O ok... all the subaru ecus are like that... they are hardly the best system. If you plan on changing a lot of things and doing a lot of tuning go utec or stand alone.