U gotta come see the changes, in this car they are great. The interior is changed with alot small things to make up a completely new design. They new grey is called crystal silver metalic, not as dark as first thought but very nice. The badges are different as well as an added rear side splat over the rear fender well. Get down here as soon as possible, you will be very pleased. Jeff

I can't wait to see it!!

ADDICT

sweet im gonna roll after work

I just found out on the first truck we only got 3 but I believe there is another truck coming. The 3 colors are the new crystal silver metalic, white, and blue. The white is already sold. Jeff

what about some hi-res pix?

sherif

Originally posted by sherifx
what about some hi-res pix?

sherif

Werd

pics would be nice

seriously... TITTY freakin WOP

Originally posted by YinUCSD
seriously... TITTY freakin WOP

haven't seen you post or in real life for a while, where have you been hiding?

ADDICT

hot damn! im going to the taco bell right next door for my lunch today, im gonna swing by and scope out the 05 sti while they cook my pizza! :D :banana:

Hold on I'm working on it... It just got here 5min ago, jeeeeees. Jeff

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
Hold on I'm working on it... It just got here 5min ago, jeeeeees. Jeff

you need more then 5 mins to take a pic? jeeezzzzzzzzzzzz......

kidding :p

ADDICT

man, the second I woulda seen those, I wouldn't have posted w/o pix :p ;)

sherif j/k

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=549751

From another thread.

Looks too damn light.

Here is the new interior...

Cup holders

New wheel...

Just a quick question, Jeff ...

have you been allocatted any Obsidian Black STi's?

New rear fender moldings...

New blacked out badge...

Originally posted by twotacosfor99cents
Just a quick question, Jeff ...

have you been allocatted any Obsidian Black STi's?

This is the crystal silver metalic, it kinda gets darker or lighter depending on witch angle you are looking from. Jeff

We do have the vin on a black one so yes you can come down and contract. Jeff

is stereo standard now?

Sweet. I just need to see what Obsidian Black Pearl looks like.. it's almost like a white/silver metallic in black paint, right?

Yes, it's a 6 disc in dash. The changes yet subtle are huge in my oppinion. Jeff

http://www.allapprovedcars.com/Used-Subaru-Legacy-2.0-GL-Saloon-4dr-Car-Stourbridge--crpId500269734-CarDetails.aspx

Found a picture of a Legacy in Obsidian Black Pearl.. looks .. black.. i tried looking at the high resolution image, but i can't see any details in the paint.

Originally posted by twotacosfor99cents
http://www.allapprovedcars.com/Used-Subaru-Legacy-2.0-GL-Saloon-4dr-Car-Stourbridge--crpId500269734-CarDetails.aspx

Found a picture of a Legacy in Obsidian Black Pearl.. looks .. black.. i tried looking at the high resolution image, but i can't see any details in the paint.

Pics rarely capture a car's true colour. You need to see it up close in natural light to really get a feel for the colour.

As far as I know the obsidean black is going to be a real black with no colored metalics in the clear coat. Jeff

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
As far as I know the obsidean black is going to be a real black with no colored metalics in the clear coat. Jeff

Strange.. Why call it Obsidian Black Pearl?

Man, I cant wait until the Subaru dealer near me gets them!:D

so, are they 6-7 over msrp? and do i get a free SPI hat with purchase? :lol:

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
Cup holders

what a ****ing concept!!!

:lol: I know it is about time!

OK I heard something about the possibility of wider wheels and tires???

Any dice on this one?

All NASIOC members... If you come through me, we will deal directly with the fleet manager. I've also been told we are getting 20 on our first allotment, yes I said 20. Most likely at least 2 of evry color and more of the popular colors. PM me or call me at 949-837-3500 ext.4 and ask for me. Jeff

Originally posted by twotacosfor99cents
Strange.. Why call it Obsidian Black Pearl?

Yeah, generally the 'Pearl' denotes a metallic flake of some kind.

It is most likely a metalik black clear coat, again as soon as I see it you guysand gals will know right away. Jeff

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
All NASIOC members... If you come through me, we will deal directly with the fleet manager. I can get you guys MSRP on the 05's. I've also been told we are getting 20 on our first allotment, yes I said 20. Most likely at least 2 of evry color and more of the popular colors. PM me or call me at 949-837-3500 ext.4 and ask for me. Jeff

Jeff,

I will be very interested, once I can settle in my new job.

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
This is the crystal silver metalic, it kinda gets darker or lighter depending on witch angle you are looking from. Jeff

That color is so sweet....wish they had a darker silver when i bought my 02

Hey Jeff,

Could you please snap a few pics of the seats? In some shots I see bits and pieces of the seats and they seem a tad bit different. I'm very curious if Subaru tightened them up a bit over the '04's.

Thank you,

-Kip

I wish it (CG) was a BIT darker, more graphite...but still, at least I can now NOT get silver so Me & Her don't have 2 Silver Subies. ;)

Yes I'll get pics of the seats but I have to correct myself on the color name. Its called " grey crystal metalic" sorry about the mistake, and I'll be right back on the seats. Jeff

Anything new with the AWD system besides new front Dif?

Rumors of AYC are going around can you confirm that?

Also, what about some underbody shots of the rear suspension?


thanks:)

The cars are not up on the racks, as soon as one gets up there I'll snap a few off. Jeff

Hey Irvine Sub:

Does the new '05 STi come with the svelte key (you know, the sharp looking "I own an STi, can't you see by the looks of my key?" key)? Since the '05 comes with the immobilizer, and thus an RFID chip on the key, this might not standard anymore. I say so because of this picture:

http://www.wrxhackers.com/05sti/keys.jpg

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
All NASIOC members... If you come through me, we will deal directly with the fleet manager. I can get you guys MSRP on the 05's. I've also been told we are getting 20 on our first allotment, yes I said 20. Most likely at least 2 of evry color and more of the popular colors. PM me or call me at 949-837-3500 ext.4 and ask for me. Jeff

what is MSRP on the 05?

Originally posted by Tarmac02
what is MSRP on the 05?


i was building the silver one online and it said 31k

$32,770 is what I have read.

New door panel...

Its hard to see the changes unless you see it in person or sit in it but the side bolster feels better.

I talked to a tech and he said the only difference is the name...

If you look close they changed the sti logo on the side from long on the04's to a short version on the 05's. If you want more pics come down and get them ha ha. Jeff

SCS what does teh Sticker price say?

The window sticker never lies, this one has 2 options added security and auto dim mirror. Jeff

Nice 18mpg in teh city and 24mpg freeway. Not bad!

if you can sit in it too, and see if the seats feel more snug that would be very cool.

thanks so much for posting these.....!

regards,

-Kip

I did and they do feel a little better. The fabric on the side bolsters is different as well. Jeff

Hah! That center console is from the SAABaru! Here, check out this pic I took at the LA auto show:

http://jcald.com/pics/laautoshow/2004/half/DSC02935.JPG

I wonder if anything else got traded over? :cool:

wow- those look like new seats with wider, tighter-fitting side bolsters!!!

Destination is still $550?

If you guy and gals have not seen this yet here is our show STI I put together. My fav. part is the custom painted ( java black pearl) by OZ 19in. super leggs, 3 piece.

Here is the XT forester I did as well...

damn, can't read that window sticker, too much reflection.

can you get another shot that we can read?

thanks!

The price is 33,185 but its the middle of the day and there is reflection from every angle that was my best shot. Sorry, Jeff.

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
The price is 33,185 but its the middle of the day and there is reflection from every angle that was my best shot. Sorry, Jeff.

So tell us the numbers! :)
How much was destination? Still $550? The last digit does not look like a 0.

Dest and deliv has been raised to 575.00. Jeff

Just found out 2 more changes... the offset is wider and the bolt pattern is now 5/114. Jeff

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
Just found out 2 more changes... the offset is wider and the bolt pattern is now 5/114. Jeff

get your stuff together man, we all knew that a few days ago :lol:

The wheel is wider at 8" now instead of 7.5", bolt pattern is now 5x114.3. I don't know if the offset change, but it looks like it.

I don't think you know my username, I am the guy that gave you a ride in my white Skyline that is coming over to see you in a few hours. Please don't say my real name here.

ADDICT

Why would they change the bolt pattern...wheel's the same style. :confused:

Thanks for the pics, the two custom cars look real good.

Mike~~

All great news thanks!!

Any word on a new steering rack?

Originally posted by JDM addict
get your stuff together man, we all knew that a few days ago :lol:

The wheel is wider at 8" now instead of 7.5", bolt pattern is now 5x114.3. I don't know if the offset change, but it looks like it.

I don't think you know my username, I am the guy that gave you a ride in my white Skyline that is coming over to see you in a few hours. Please don't say my real name here.

ADDICT


man of mystery....:lol:

"I'll never tell" :D Now for some pics of the underside changes. Jeff

Based off of the 04 forester...

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
Here is the XT forester I did as well...

I like the forester...do you have any manual xt's?

Check out under the car...

More of the belly...

Last one, this one is from the back of the car... Let me know what you guys think. Jeff

I think those 2 guys makin out are nasty.

Also, have you driven the car's around, do they handle/turn in any better?

I believe we do have a few XT's left in 5spd's. Jeff

We wont get to drive these for a while, I expect this first batch to go quick. Plus we dont put miles on them, unless its with the person buying one. Jeff

Originally posted by N'CTRL
I think those 2 guys makin out are nasty.

Also, have you driven the car's around, do they handle/turn in any better?

:lol:

Your depth perception is a little off. Jeff:cool:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6374151

Martina Navratalova and the Rainbow Association will be proud of your dealership. :)

I try and do something nice and this is what happens. Jeff

Way to be mature, guys:rolleyes:

Jeff,

I believe the pics you just posted are the first pics of the underside of the 05' STi ever been seen anywhere. Good job man. I truely appreciate your effort.

Who cares what anyone say :D

Can you leave one of those 05' STi on the lift? I'll be over in a little bit :)

ADDICT

Good pics; I'm still drooling.

how long till they make it to arizona/colorado?

What's that black square on the foglight cover of the custom JBP STi?

Originally posted by Larsony
Way to be mature, guys:rolleyes:

SCIC and mature? Buhahhahahahah *cough* hahahahha ;)

Good looking pics... what do you know about the new steering rack?


The new bolt patter irks me... but o well. Looks like the hubs are bigger too...

Originally posted by Tarmac02
what a ****ing concept!!!

i think that is the best thing they could have ever done to the interior!

those lateral links are sexay

sherif

oh did I forget to say THANKS FOR THE PICS!!!


sherif

Are you not doing the markup thing? Because that would be nice. When does the second batch come in?

Ok here goes... as far as the lift thing, they are only up on the lift during the PDI of the car so we'll just have to get lucky... No clue how long it will take them to get to Arizona maybe 2wks?... As far as the black square, I'm not sure what you mean its the factory fog light with the decal removed... The first batch is still getting here daily, were getting 20 of them in our first allotment so the 2nd batch will probably next month. Hope I got all of your questions let me know if you have any more. Jeff

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6373145
Maybe it is just a reflection of something in front of the car.

Does the stock stereo now included with the STI come with a sub?

No it does not come with a sub however I listened to it and it is in my opinion the best stereo in the impreza I've heard. Jeff

Its true that there is no change in power correct?

No the power is the same but with the differences in the suspension I'm guessing this one handles better. Jeff

Hey Jeff,

Can you guys sell them yet? There's been no press release from SOA and none of the sites (edmunds, kelley, nada, AIC, chrome, etc) have info up for the 05 STi.

-Matt

Yes we can, we got them first because we sold more of the 04's than anybody. If we got them they are open game to the first come first serve. Jeff

That's awesome! Congrats!

But how is a bank going to extend financing on a vehicle that's not in their database? (provided i don't go through Subaru/Chase Manhattan) Also, what about insurance information, will they base the rate off the 2004s?

Great pics by the way, thanks for posting them!

-Matt

Because as long as they have a vin on the car it can be done. As far as insurance rates go who knows I dont sell insurance. Jeff

I spoke with Progressive tonight and they said until there are enough produced they will provide insurance based on the 2004 rates plus the percentage of price increase.

Price plus about 2%.

Please oh please Mr. TruckDriver Drive to Phoenix tonight!

when will they be in Northern California?

Good Night guys and gals I'll see ya in the morning. Jeff

Looks like the changes are subtle yet good...I bet the WRX will be the same.. I still don't mind I got an '04 though..with the price difference I'll just wait until 2006

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
Here is the new interior...

center console looks very similar to the 9-2x....

jeff- thanks again from all of us for your hard work today.

cheers,

-Kip

Jeff or those in the know,
Can someone please confirm the mechanical differences between the models?

this might be as simple as comparing the 2 stickers side by side

new differentials?
new sttering rack?
new suspension?

Are the tires 235's???


thanks!!!

What is meant by "suspension differences?"

Does the dash FINALLY match the gauges? red/red?...thx

I like the dual cup holders

Here are the changes to the suspension:

Definate:
5x114.3 bolt pattern on beefier hubs
Revised rear suspension (see pics, not sure exactly what)

Mabye:
Revised steering
Wider wheels (17x8)
Wider tires (235s?)
Differentials??

Better be something, the Evo RS and MR need competition.

Originally posted by danswrx
Here are the changes to the suspension:

Definate:
5x114.3 bolt pattern on beefier hubs
Revised rear suspension (see pics, not sure exactly what)

Mabye:
Revised steering
Wider wheels (17x8)
Wider tires (235s?)
Differentials??

Better be something, the Evo RS and MR need competition.

The MR wont have competition with the of STi. Unless its going to be spec-c'd

cant wait till 2006, i hear thats when they are supposed to make alot of changes, anyone hear the same?

no...

Originally posted by mmm...sti
cant wait till 2006, i hear thats when they are supposed to make alot of changes, anyone hear the same?
yup.. :D

Jeff,

Thanks for all the photos!

Originally posted by danswrx
Here are the changes to the suspension:

Definate:
5x114.3 bolt pattern on beefier hubs
Revised rear suspension (see pics, not sure exactly what)

Mabye:
Revised steering
Wider wheels (17x8)
Wider tires (235s?)
Differentials??

Better be something, the Evo RS and MR need competition.


No change in tires, same 225, but they friggin changed the damn bolt patter.

Can somone explain to me why Subaru would do that? are there any performance gains by doing so?
or is it just more manufactures make that bolt pattern?

i am keeping my 04, and waiting for the 06
:banana:

Originally posted by netzr0
No change in tires, same 225, but they friggin changed the damn bolt patter.

Can somone explain to me why Subaru would do that? are there any performance gains by doing so?
or is it just more manufactures make that bolt pattern?

i am keeping my 04, and waiting for the 06
:banana:

I can only assume that with a wider diameter bolt pattern, you increase rigidity of the wheel between the road and the car, thereby enhancing road feel and stability. I think this is an area many reviewers were complaining about. Hopefully with a new steering rack and rear suspension setup it will be a much improved experience.

As for the wider rims with the same size tires. I'm sure a wider rim will also provide a more rigid connection to the road than the 17x7.5's did, at least with the same width tire.

-Jimbo

Originally posted by netzr0
No change in tires, same 225, but they friggin changed the damn bolt patter.

Can somone explain to me why Subaru would do that? are there any performance gains by doing so?
or is it just more manufactures make that bolt pattern?

i am keeping my 04, and waiting for the 06
:banana:

What is suppose to be so great about the '06? I'm going to bet they don't change the body significantly as to keep the Imprezza imagine alive now that their marketing campain is so successful.

It's even less likely that there will be any engine changes as the 2.5's for most models are very recent.

Here we go... First the EVO..cough ( GSX ECLIPSE ) is not going to be competition untill they go bigger on there motor. Anyone with an STI who has ever raced an EVO will tell you the EVO's are not what they are cracked up to be. As for the questions, the suspension changes... Alum. rear controll arms ( see pics ), Wider stance because of wider rims, The tires are still the same but the rim should be able to fit a 245 series tire:banana: . The wing is still not an option and personaly I doubt it ever will be, mainly aside from being huge it really works. Anything that needs 17 bolts to hold it down definetly makes down force, this car is subaru's race baby and all functional things will probably stay unless they are improved or modified. Jeff

thanks!

that leaves just:

steering rack/spring rates/struts

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
Here we go... First the EVO..cough ( GSX ECLIPSE ) is not going to be competition untill they go bigger on there motor. Anyone with an STI who has ever raced an EVO will tell you the EVO's are not what they are cracked up to be. As for the questions, the suspension changes... Alum. rear controll arms ( see pics ), Wider stance because of wider rims, The tires are still the same but the rim should be able to fit a 245 series tire:banana: . The wing is still not an option and personaly I doubt it ever will be, mainly aside from being huge it really works. Anything that needs 17 bolts to hold it down definetly makes down force, this car is subaru's race baby and all functional things will probably stay unless they are improved or modified. Jeff

Thanks Jeff!
do you know if the rear control arms will fit a 04?
:D

Jeff:

Could you please check into the YAW sensor for the DCCD? Is there one now or not? We would appreciate it. BTW, THANK YOU very much forthe pictures and info! Thanks.

also check into the helical LSD - I heard it was gettign that as well.

Struts and springs as far as I can tell are the same, but they are painted black now instead of red. Its says the steering rack now is a close ratio rack if its any closer thats anyones guess untill its tested. My guess is the handleing of the car will be better do to the wider stance and the allum controllarms, and the air difusers.

No yaw sensor as I'm aware of , and the Lsd lools to be the same. Jeff

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
Struts and springs as far as I can tell are the same, but they are painted black now instead of red. Its says the steering rack now is a close ratio rack if its any closer thats anyones guess untill its tested. My guess is the handleing of the car will be better do to the wider stance and the allum controllarms, and the air difusers.

----> Diffuser :lol: close :lol: you knew I am going to catch you huh :lol:

Joking aside, this is to everyone, I went down to Irvine Subaru last night to check out every details on the 05' STi up close. Jeff is by far the nicest, coolest, most knowledgeable car sales person I have ever come across, and that include exotic car dealer sales guys (a Lamborghini salesman actually tells me the Gallardo come from the factory twin turbocharged :rolleyes: ). Simply because Jeff is also a hardcore car guys, he is into it just as much as we are. He stayed 2 hours longer then he is actually suppose to get off work just to entertain me last night (thanks so much again!!). So if you are close by and need a Subaru, buy it from Jeff, I am sure your buying experience would be very enjoyable.

Put it this way, Jeff knows ALMOST as much as I do about the STi, which is a lot............... kidding kidding :D :lol:

ADDICT

I knew the " DIFFUSER " would bite me in the ass... Oh well, thanks ADDICT for the big compliment and I'm sure we'll do it again when the Legacy gets here. Jeff

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
I knew the " DIFFUSER " would bite me in the ass... Oh well, thanks ADDICT for the big compliment and I'm sure we'll do it again when the Legacy gets here. Jeff

:lol:

As for the new legacy, I already check out every details on it and driven it hard when I was in Japan 3 months ago. I don't have to look at the USDM ones anymore :p

ADDICT

So whats up with the 05 STI ADDICT ?

Originally posted by danswrx
Here are the changes to the suspension:

Definate:
5x114.3 bolt pattern on beefier hubs
Revised rear suspension (see pics, not sure exactly what)


5x114.3?! I thought subaru was 5x100... why the change?!

I invade from teh east coast! :lol:

keith

Hey ADDICT- how about posting some of those details you so carefully scrutinized?

-Kip

I'm guessing because we were told the rest of the line will be converting to 5x114 as well. There are way more options for aftermarket wheels as well in this pattern. Plus the new wheels are wider and look to have a little more space between the brakes and the rim.

1 big thing ADDICT found was the ABS module on the 05's is allot larger than on the 04's.

Wow.. interesting... Subaru converts bolt pattern after like what? 12 years? lol

keith

Originally posted by moss
5x114.3?! I thought subaru was 5x100... why the change?!

I invade from teh east coast! :lol:

keith

:lol:

Good news for the SVX guys....

The hubs, see the wheels and how stubby they look, seem to be bigger too so that would also help explain the change. And the front diff is different... 2 different sources have said it now. Too bad no one knows to what.

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
1 big thing ADDICT found was the ABS module on the 05's is allot larger than on the 04's.

hmmm they still use the same master cyl? Thats one of the major problems with subaru and brake feel. That damn 2 stage booster. Subaru ABS has always had much suck... maybe they fixed that too.

Hey Jeff- do you have any way of determining the new Curb Weight? I wonder if it has changed at all from 3263lbs. It should be listed somewhere in the paperwork, inside door panel, manual, etc., right?

Thank you!

-Kip

Originally posted by JDM addict
(a Lamborghini salesman actually tells me the Gallardo come from the factory twin turbocharged :rolleyes: ).
ADDICT

Please PM which dealership that was so that I may go take that morons job.

Carlos

They changed the bolt pattern? For the 05 rex also? or just the STi?

Originally posted by mordy_2v
They changed the bolt pattern? For the 05 rex also? or just the STi?

I would think just for the STi... its got different hubs, axles and all.

I expect them to but who knows untill there here. As far as the curb weight... Inside the door on the metal tag from fuji it states the GVWR/PNBV is 4145 lbs. Its the exact same on the 04 STI as well so it looks like they both weigh the same. Jeff

I was just at Irvine Subaru this morning to get that throttle clip put on. The bad news was it took way too much time, but the good news was that I got to sit in the silver 05 STi and chatted with Jeff and Ken. It's cool how Jeff gets to sit at a desk in the showroom with his computer following this thread.
What was even better was that he fired up that modified 04 STi that is in the showroom to investigate this steering ratio question. We saw that both the 04 and the 05 takes one and one third to get to full lock. Jeff, thinking about it, I think that test was legit. The only way the wheel could sweep faster is if the 05 had non-linear steering- for which I don't believe that's the case.
The sound system in the 05 is good. I wouldn't say it's great. But who's buying a STi for the radio?
The center console looks great. I like the curves. ;)
Overall, it had very nice subtle changes...

Thanks for the reply, see ya again soon. Jeff

Originally posted by Schlad
I was just at Irvine Subaru this morning to get that throttle clip put on. The bad news was it took way too much time, but the good news was that I got to sit in the silver 05 STi and chatted with Jeff and Ken. It's cool how Jeff gets to sit at a desk in the showroom with his computer following this thread.
What was even better was that he fired up that modified 04 STi that is in the showroom to investigate this steering ratio question. We saw that both the 04 and the 05 takes one and one third to get to full lock. Jeff, thinking about it, I think that test was legit. The only way the wheel could sweep faster is if the 05 had non-linear steering- for which I don't believe that's the case.
The sound system in the 05 is good. I wouldn't say it's great. But who's buying a STi for the radio?
The center console looks great. I like the curves. ;)
Overall, it had very nice subtle changes...

Ya its been said that it isnt a ratio change, which is good a 13 to 1 is not something I want on the street. But a feel change, something you will only feel when pushing the car. But that could be BS like the AYC seems to be...

I guess we'll just have to see when the 05's hit the track. ;)

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
So whats up with the 05 STI ADDICT ?

just sent you a PM ;)

ADDICT

Originally posted by stimied
Hey ADDICT- how about posting some of those details you so carefully scrutinized?

-Kip

ask me what you want to know and I will tell you what I know.

ADDICT

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
1 big thing ADDICT found was the ABS module on the 05's is allot larger than on the 04's.

That was a ABS brake line distribution block. I don't really know what it does. I wouldn't call it a ABS module.

ADDICT

Originally posted by Onederer
Please PM which dealership that was so that I may go take that morons job.

Carlos

http://www.symbolicmotors.com/

ADDICT

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
I expect them to but who knows untill there here. As far as the curb weight... Inside the door on the metal tag from fuji it states the GVWR/PNBV is 4145 lbs. Its the exact same on the 04 STI as well so it looks like they both weigh the same. Jeff

They should weight the same, the only changes that effect weight are:

1/2" wider wheels + weight
rear aluminum lateral arms - weight
under body plastic diffuser + weight
bigger hub + weight
Rear quarter panel flair plastic trim piece + weight
Rear quarter panel trimmed out - weight
bigger rear bumper cover + weight
radio/6 disks changer, 4 speakers + weight

so all the things probably cancel out.

ADDICT

ask me what you want to know and I will tell you what I know.

Sure:

-Jeff said he sat in the new car's seats and they felt a bit better. I realize this is somewhat subjective (the 'feel' part at least), but did they actually look to be improved or otherwise new in any way to the 04's? I'm very hopeful they tightened the bolstering up a bit.

-How did the Crystal Gray Metallic look in person? Photos usually don't do it justice.

Thanks,

-kip

Originally posted by Schlad
I was just at Irvine Subaru this morning to get that throttle clip put on. The bad news was it took way too much time, but the good news was that I got to sit in the silver 05 STi and chatted with Jeff and Ken. It's cool how Jeff gets to sit at a desk in the showroom with his computer following this thread.
What was even better was that he fired up that modified 04 STi that is in the showroom to investigate this steering ratio question. We saw that both the 04 and the 05 takes one and one third to get to full lock. Jeff, thinking about it, I think that test was legit. The only way the wheel could sweep faster is if the 05 had non-linear steering- for which I don't believe that's the case.
The sound system in the 05 is good. I wouldn't say it's great. But who's buying a STi for the radio?
The center console looks great. I like the curves. ;)
Overall, it had very nice subtle changes...

If both wheel turn the same amount lock to lock, then the steering ratio is the same.

ADDICT

Originally posted by stimied
Sure:

-Jeff said he sat in the new car's seats and they felt a bit better. I realize this is somewhat subjective (the 'feel' part at least), but did they actually look to be improved or otherwise new in any way to the 04's? I'm very hopeful they tightened the bolstering up a bit.

To me, they feel "EXACTLY" the same sitting in it. The shape of the seat is "EXACTLY" the same as the 04'. I really hope they tighten the side bolster too like the JDM seats. They didn't, it is still the same old, huge USDM seats :( The only differences on the 05' seats are the side bolster are now black instead of blue, and the black fabric on both the side/legs bolster are slightly different.

Originally posted by stimied
-How did the Crystal Gray Metallic look in person? Photos usually don't do it justice.

It look a lot nicer, darker in person. It got an expensive, classy feel to it.

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Originally posted by totoherbs
Ya its been said that it isnt a ratio change, which is good a 13 to 1 is not something I want on the street. But a feel change, something you will only feel when pushing the car. But that could be BS like the AYC seems to be...

yup, there are no evident anywhere that they added AYC.

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Addict- great, thanks for the info. Damn.....I was REALLY hoping for tighter seats. I may have to start looking for some V7 JDM seats or similar. The only thing that's prevented me from doing it already is the damn RHD issue with the seats being reversed.

-K

Originally posted by JDM addict
http://www.symbolicmotors.com/

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wow...that is sad.
they had a pretty good reputation too.
I applied with the Beverly hills location as a vehicle researcher/historian and got turned down. And they give this mope a job?
like i said sad.

Originally posted by stimied
Addict- great, thanks for the info.

you are welcome ;)

Originally posted by stimied
Damn.....I was REALLY hoping for tighter seats.

same here.

Originally posted by stimied
I may have to start looking for some V7 JDM seats or similar.

The V7 JDM seats are the tightest, feels the best. The V8 JDM seats are slightly bigger then V7 JDM, but still quite a bit tighter then V8 USDM seats.

Originally posted by stimied
The only thing that's prevented me from doing it already is the damn RHD issue with the seats being reversed.

-K

yup, same here. I can't lose the height adjustment on the left seat. Seems like the only way is to get the EDM seats, but then no one knows if the EDM seats are the same as the JDM seats and getting the EDM seats here will cost a lot more then JDM seats since no body import them.

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Originally posted by Onederer
wow...that is sad.
they had a pretty good reputation too.
I applied with the Beverly hills location as a vehicle researcher/historian and got turned down. And they give this mope a job?
like i said sad.

I think that kind of job is all from hook up, who you know.

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For all of you who havnt seen it in person yet, please come on down and check it out. I would love to here what you guys think, Jeff.

I think the stereo is a standard now, I also saw a WRX, the steering wheel got changed. The wheels are also new and the color is some kind of dark silver, and the side skirts are finally painted to match the body.

Originally posted by 03BluRex
I think the stereo is a standard now, I also saw a WRX, the steering wheel got changed. The wheels are also new and the color is some kind of dark silver, and the side skirts are finally painted to match the body.

:huh:

I think Jeff is the greatest guy ever.

Originally posted by STEALTH-WRX
I think Jeff is the greatest guy ever.

I vote Jeff as our next president :disco:

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How was the Legacy? I am trying to decide now between it and the STI.

Originally posted by sem23tex
How was the Legacy? I am trying to decide now between it and the STI.

The USDM 05' Legacy is not at the dealer yet, I drove the JDM Legacy wagon GT turbo with the 5-speeds manual. Here is my impression:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=483960

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Originally posted by JDM addict
I vote Jeff as our next president :disco:

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better than the current monkey we have. suck this bush :disco:

Not the place for politics....
But since you started it...

http://www.georgewbush.com/images/downloads/GWB_logo_350.gif


We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread already in progress...

:banana: :disco:

Should have scanned it, but if anybody would like to see the Irvine Subaru advertisement in the OC Register... 2005 STL's In STOCK!!!

Oh yeah! Jeff, im the guy that came in on Thursday to look at the 05. The guy with the hat.

Originally posted by kosoku
Should have scanned it, but if anybody would like to see the Irvine Subaru advertisement in the OC Register... 2005 STL's In STOCK!!!

Oh yeah! Jeff, im the guy that came in on Thursday to look at the 05. The guy with the hat.

What the hell is an "STL"? Subaru Technica Local? :lol:

Oh yes, the time has come. I remember buying my 2002 WRX sport wagon almost 2 years ago, and I was very excited. Of course, that was before SOA announced that the STi would come to our shores 6 months later. Now I am ready to ge the car I wanted from the beginning, but couldn't get in the US. I know that the versions that will come afterwards will probably have more HP and redesigned bodies, but well, I can't be buying or leasing a car every year (God only knows I wish I could). Now that I have seen the full picture of the STi, I don't mind the fender flares on the rear that much; I think it makes it very unique. For all of you gearing up to get an STi: good luck and our time has come!

Later,

- DH

im getting tired of the ones already out now, can someone take more pix of the 05s? i'd really like to see the 05 Black STi. thanks

I second that motion for more pictures of the 05s. TIA :D

I'd heard a rumor that the twin-scroll would be in the '05. I guess that was wishful thinking. :(

As soon as I get some blacks in stock I'll snap some more pics, but we sold some over the weekend so all I have right now are the 1 grey and 2 silvers but more are ariving daily. Jeff

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
As soon as I get some blacks in stock I'll snap some more pics, but we sold some over the weekend so all I have right now are the 1 grey and 2 silvers but more are ariving daily. Jeff

I am wondering if you have Invoice pricing yet. My dealership has not been able to establish anything but the retail price of the '05 STI. Perhaps this is just a ploy but I have not seen any invoice prices mentioned anywhere.

Before you say what's the point because I'll be paying Invoice, I assure you that won't be the case as their are 4 very competitive dealers here that have no problem knocking a few bucks to make a deal. That being said, they tell me they don't know what it is they can sell it for yet because of this.

If anyone has any information it would be greatly appreciated.

I'm sorry but cannot give the invoice price, sorry for the inconvience. Jeff

that show FXT is nice. i love the grill.

Thanks it s the full zerosports kit. Jeff

So a black one just got here and it looks to be a straight black, I'll take more when its clean. Jeff

Here is another pic...

That was smart color placement I must say.

btw: skeet skeet skeet!

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
As soon as I get some blacks in stock I'll snap some more pics, but we sold some over the weekend so all I have right now are the 1 grey and 2 silvers but more are ariving daily. Jeff

Jeff............so there are grey and silver now? You saying there are 5 total color choices for the 05' STi? White, black, blue, grey and silver?

Not that it matter to me as you know I only buy white cars, I am just curious.

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As far as I know yes... UPDATE: the obsidean black does have a color in the metalic, its very mild but there is def one there. Get ready for this it has WRB metalic in the clear coat on the obsidean black. It looks really good in my humble opinion, Jeff.

have the gold rims been discontinued?

No, but they will be on fewer cars, Subaru of America deams them more "unpopular". I still cant figure out why. Jeff

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
No, but they will be on fewer cars, Subaru of America deams them more "unpopular". I still cant figure out why. Jeff

because people like me dont like em!

blasphemy!

Gold rims rule; I just need a gold interior to mach them ;)

Originally posted by 3ztt
because people like me dont like em!

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
As far as I know yes...

thanks Jeff ;)

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I've got a rediculous question for ya.... can you fit a surfboard in there without putting it on the roof?

I dont think so, but where there is a will there is a way. Jeff

fold back passenger seat? That would be a tragedy to not be able to surf because of the car.

Originally posted by 3ztt
fold back passenger seat? That would be a tragedy to not be able to surf because of the car.

Looks like someone needs a wagon.

Originally posted by US2JDM
Looks like someone needs a wagon.

Id rather shoot myself.

Originally posted by 3ztt
Id rather shoot myself.

STi wagon 0WNZ j00!

http://www.iwoc.co.uk/images/subaru/sti8wagon.jpg

Originally posted by US2JDM
STi wagon 0WNZ j00!

http://www.iwoc.co.uk/images/subaru/sti8wagon.jpg

its really ugly.

It's the New Age styling...no one said it was pretty.

Jeff, any arrival date for the regular WRXs? Thanks. :cool:

Not yet, my guess is that they'll plan it close to when they'll run out of the 04's. Jeff

The grey with gold...

Grey with gold from the front...

dash lighting color..what is it?

its really ugly.

What?! :huh: And what looks good to you?


Anyway...

That dark grey color is nice!

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
The grey with gold...

When you say grey... do you mean silver? or the new color which is supposed to be dark grey? Only asking because the STi in the pic doesnt really look like a "dark grey" it just looks a tad bit darker then the one in front of it... or is it just the lighting?

Originally posted by mav1c
What?! :huh: And what looks good to you?

non hatchbacks. Unless we are talking about the M coupe, which is just so ugly its hot.

Grey and Gold looks funny IMO....on the other hand, the Gold will go well with the other colors they made...
And, uhm Jeff, cough invoice price please please please???

Originally posted by paperchasin

And, uhm Jeff, cough invoice price please please please???

Cool! This may be on my list of cars to get.

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
Here we go... First the EVO..cough ( GSX ECLIPSE ) is not going to be competition untill they go bigger on there motor. Anyone with an STI who has ever raced an EVO will tell you the EVO's are not what they are cracked up to be.

Motor is not the only thing that makes for competition, especially when a lot of curves and transitions are involved. At least it appears Subaru has taken some steps to improve the STi's handling. I drove an Evo before buying an STi. The Evo IMHO is a much better driver's car with it's great stock handling, tighter seats, sharp and responsive steering, and inspired confidence. I chose the STi over the Evo for power and looks. It only handles marginally less well and looks great when the wing and scoop are removed.

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru Anything that needs 17 bolts to hold it down definetly makes down force
Or drag.:lol:
Viva la wingless!!
I wouldn't mind a Mines-like spoiler though

Could you please tell us the color of the illumination of the radio and climate controls? PLEEZZZE

So what is the best way to go wingless, do I need to purchase a new trunk and simply replace it out? I'm tellin ya, even though I'm sure the wing is functional, I doubt I will ever track the car where I will need that kind of downforce. And that bloody wing does not look right with a sedan.

Originally posted by v10m5
So what is the best way to go wingless, do I need to purchase a new trunk and simply replace it out? I'm tellin ya, even though I'm sure the wing is functional, I doubt I will ever track the car where I will need that kind of downforce. And that bloody wing does not look right with a sedan.

Agreed. However, I don't want to this to become a wing vs wingless thread.

Swap the trunk lid, springs, and locks with a WRX or buy a CF lid. There are are too many holes in the lid to try to fill in. I swapped trunk lids (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=400124)

Originally posted by 3ztt
I've got a rediculous question for ya.... can you fit a surfboard in there without putting it on the roof?


yeah you can, I can fit my 6'2" and 6'6" in my 04 wrx sedan. Just put the front passenger seatback all the way down and put it there. Actually I can fit 2 short boards and even a friend, who sat behind me in the backseat. Rear seats do not fold down.

Originally posted by US2JDM
Yeah, generally the 'Pearl' denotes a metallic flake of some kind.

No, mica indicates a metallic flake. Pearl means that it gets a extra kind of shiney last paint coat.

Originally posted by ringthree
No, mica indicates a metallic flake. Pearl means that it gets a extra kind of shiney last paint coat.

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
As far as I know yes... UPDATE: the obsidean black does have a color in the metalic, its very mild but there is def one there. Get ready for this it has WRB metalic in the clear coat on the obsidean black. It looks really good in my humble opinion, Jeff.

Not to mention my 'Black Diamond Pearl' car which has metallic flakes as well. :confused:

K here goes, The invoice is... yea right, do you know how much trouble I would get in;) . As far as the color of the lights in the dash, the guages are the same as the 04's, but the radio is the same color green as the dig. clock. As for the question about the colors, they are... Obsidean Black, Crystal Grey, silver, white, and blue, the later 3 are the same ones as last years STI. Hope this helps, Jeff.

Can I trade the PSM and steering wheel from my car with Crystal Grey and steering wheel from one of the cars in your stock? :D

No prob, but it'll be 33,185 plus tax, tag, and title. Jeff:lol:

^^Hey Jeff...i have only begun to follow the STi craze this year, but what can i expect as far as pricing goes on the 05's...i kno u mentioned MSRP for people on this board, but how long after the release of the 04 STi's was it before invoice price was "released" and how long was it till dealers began budging on the prices?? Do you think that this trend is applicable to the 05's as well?? Sorry, i kno its kinda like a history question...

Originally posted by paperchasin
^^Hey Jeff...i have only begun to follow the STi craze this year, but what can i expect as far as pricing goes on the 05's...i kno u mentioned MSRP for people on this board, but how long after the release of the 04 STi's was it before invoice price was "released" and how long was it till dealers began budging on the prices?? Do you think that this trend is applicable to the 05's as well?? Sorry, i kno its kinda like a history question...

haha.....you are asking a car sales guy when the prices would go down?

Good luck man :lol:

Hey JDM thats a little below the belt, I think I can answer this question very well... Here goes. Here is the thing, last year the dealerships in southern cali started discounting early in the year. The STI sold out here 1.5 months early, so my guess is that you will see dealerships holding onto markups as well a msrp a little longer this year. If there's a few extra at the end so be-it, then you can discount them... But then again this is just an educated guess, I could be totaly wrong. Jeff

yeah, what jeff said.

charging more than MSRP (i.e. markup) is what's below the belt -->not saying that you do that, Jeff, but those salesmen in Oahu who do take advantage of a product especially a Subaru, are only looking at the short-term.

I understand both sides to this... You have to understand when 85percent of the time salesman are forced by the internet and other dealer competition to lower the price on normal cars so much that they make next to nothing. So now that Subaru has a car that is worth markup they try to do just that. If the STI came to the US in 04 with 3500 units and they stickered them at 36,000 from the factory they would still sell out. What I dont get is this, jewlery has about a 50 to 60 percent profit margin and so does electric equipment ( stereo's and speakers ). On any givin subaru there is only 2,000 to 2,500) in profit for the salesman between msrp and the invoice price, they do not get paid on holdback or any other dealer incentives. The average salesman gets 25 percent of the total profit margin you can see why they will try to mark them up. For every 1000 off of the car they lose 250.00 out of there pockets. With american cars its way different they can discount 5000 and still have another 3000 profit, thats why you see adds with 8000 off on trucks and mustangs. In the end the price usually comes down due to the market and the customers get what they want. But evryone knows the price's get better at the end of the year, but there are people who want to be the first to have something. So in the end... If you dont want to pay markup then dont, you can wait untill the price goes down or you can deal with Higher ups ( me, or fleet dept.) but when you come in and deal with a salesman dont automatically hate the guy, he's just trying to make a living just like you are. Jeff

Translation: expect a markup ;)

I hear that if you were to build a car from GM that costs 10k new ( I assume this was a cavelier) that it would cost approximately 80k through their parts department. Maybe thats why markups arn't always necessary.

no worries Jeff, i don’t hate you, much less automatically hate salesmen for jacking up the price of an in demand auto! :D

i totally empathize with you and i'm sure that it is quite a hard and stressful living to be a car salesmen, im sure you deal with loads of rude people daily and I’m sure it’s hard to make a steady profit. i still don't agree with the markup thing but it’s the salesman’s prerogative to make that choice and i’m patient, i waited till i could get a nice deal on an e46 M3 and i'll surely wait till i can get an '05 STi at MSRP or below. it's how i do business, i find that patience equates to money in my pocket!

thanks again for all your info and keeping us informed on the '05 updates.

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
Here we go... First the EVO..cough ( GSX ECLIPSE ) is not going to be competition untill they go bigger on there motor. Anyone with an STI who has ever raced an EVO will tell you the EVO's are not what they are cracked up to be. Jeff

:rolleyes: uh huh....

But on a productive note, I am disapointed that the spoiler delete is not available, and that steering is not improved...I had also heard that "new colors" were available...one color, and just a darker silver at that?

New wheel style etc, would have been nice as well...

and BTW...gold wheels are TITE!

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5881/P4210006_v2.jpg

Originally posted by v10m5
no worries Jeff, i don’t hate you, much less automatically hate salesmen for jacking up the price of an in demand auto! :D

i totally empathize with you and i'm sure that it is quite a hard and stressful living to be a car salesmen, im sure you deal with loads of rude people daily and I’m sure it’s hard to make a steady profit. i still don't agree with the markup thing but it’s the salesman’s prerogative to make that choice and i’m patient, i waited till i could get a nice deal on an e46 M3 and i'll surely wait till i can get an '05 STi at MSRP or below. it's how i do business, i find that patience equates to money in my pocket!

thanks again for all your info and keeping us informed on the '05 updates.



not to point fingers at anyone, but keep in mind that in-demand cars arn't the only cars that salesmen sell. And not everyone they sell to are the brightest when it comes to buying cars.

Thanks for the reply Jeff....i guess my hunt for an 04 continues...It just sucks cuz the depreciation of the car does not take into account the markup due to demand or wutever the reason for the markup is...i understand that u guys gotta make a living...but a 2% markup on an STi is still more money than a 60% markup on jewelry or a dish washer...anyway, ur last comments were accurate...that there are people that are willing to pay for the markup prices and thats why dealers do it...

http://www.wrxhackers.com/05sti/

Look at all the nifty aero parts on the new STi. Got the nice smooth trays leading down each side of the car, along with those little air diffusers in front of the tires. I wonder if any of those parts transfer to the older WRX/STi?
http://www.wrxhackers.com/05sti/frontunder.jpg

So Jeff...

Is it accurate that your dealership and the others who have received 05 STis, were part of a dealer PRE-allocation because of strong WRX/STi sales last year? When do you think the other dealerships will receive their first allocation?

Also, what's the PDI time on an STi?

Thanks!
Matt

I'm pretty sure your right on the first statement, we usually do get more cars in general than anyone in socal. As far as PDI time, that just depends on how busy service is... What happens is the cars will be washed, filled w/ gas, then they sit and wait for a mechanic to free up, service customers get taken care of first. So it could be any where from 40 min on up. Jeff

One more thing... I just wanted to thank you all, for understanding where I was coming from with the mark ups. I'm not saying I condone them but I understand them. In fact the reason why I run the performance dept. now is because the money I'd make selling cars was very eratic. Mainly because I would give away the car just to put somebody in a subaru because I know how good the car is. So I guess thats why I respect both sides, Anyways thanks Jeff.

Anyone know long the '04s will still be available?

We sold out over a month ago, But we do have one used one that was traded in with 1700 miles on it. Let me know if anybody is interested. Jeff

Originally posted by 3ztt
http://www.wrxhackers.com/05sti/
Thanks for the most excellent link.:D

Do the WRX and RS have the same rear bumper cover? ie will I be able to use the RS molded mud flaps? (lots of crap on the roads up here)

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
One more thing... I just wanted to thank you all, for understanding where I was coming from with the mark ups. I'm not saying I condone them but I understand them.

Good man!

I stopped by last night to see the man that others should run for president but I missed you.

One thing though.


That much? 15% (blue) above list or greater (white)

Originally posted by Irvine Subaru
We sold out over a month ago, But we do have one used one that was traded in with 1700 miles on it. Let me know if anybody is interested. Jeff

I just have to ask - what was a 1700mile old STI traded in for??? :confused:

and how much is it going for now ---the 1700 mile sti??

^^I spoke to Jeff...i believe the dood traded in his 04 for an 05....