got a 56 in a 35 a while back. followed the examples shown at ticket assasin, did a trial by declaration, and just got back the judgement.

Not Guilty!

good way to start off the weekend. carry on..

Good stuff.

I have a couple questions. How exactly did you write the letter. Can you give me an example of it? I got a 65 in 40 at 2am a while back in perfect driving conditions and want to do the written declaration.

Another question: If I plead not guilty via written dec. and they find me guilty can I still take traffic school to get it cleared or do I have to plea guilty from the beginning to be able to take the school. It has been 18months since I last too a school to clear a ticket.

Matt L

What reason were you not guilty for? Can you post your entire written declaration? TA.com is a good starting point, but their technique is basically to cross your fingers and hope for luck. They don't help much with actually using the law against the ticket itself.

Originally posted by 2.5RSMatt
Good stuff.

I have a couple questions. How exactly did you write the letter. Can you give me an example of it? I got a 65 in 40 at 2am a while back in perfect driving conditions and want to do the written declaration.

Another question: If I plead not guilty via written dec. and they find me guilty can I still take traffic school to get it cleared or do I have to plea guilty from the beginning to be able to take the school. It has been 18months since I last too a school to clear a ticket.

Matt L

You can ask for traffic school in your TWD. Basically, one of the last lines should be "If I am found guilty by the Court, I hereby request traffic school." Were you radared or paced? If radar, did he write it on the ticket? If he didn't screw that part up, you will have a hard time beating it. You can't really argue reverse Basic Speed Law when you were going 160% of the posted limit...

Originally posted by BAN SUVS
You can ask for traffic school in your TWD. Basically, one of the last lines should be "If I am found guilty by the Court, I hereby request traffic school." Were you radared or paced? If radar, did he write it on the ticket? If he didn't screw that part up, you will have a hard time beating it. You can't really argue reverse Basic Speed Law when you were going 160% of the posted limit...

He didn't use radar, I mean my detector never even lit up and he came out of nowhere and must have paced me. It doesn't say on the ticket if radar was used or if I was paced.

I was going 25mph over the limit uncreative was going 21 so I mean there is some leway.

Originally posted by 2.5RSMatt
He didn't use radar, I mean my detector never even lit up and he came out of nowhere and must have paced me. It doesn't say on the ticket if radar was used or if I was paced.

I was going 25mph over the limit uncreative was going 21 so I mean there is some leway.

No radar, no pace, no ticket. Every time. Remember: you are innocent until proven guilty. Visual estimation, even by a law enforcement officer, is not legal proof. The citation has to indicate what method he used. If he paced you, he has to note where he started and where it ended.

Originally posted by BAN SUVS
No radar, no pace, no ticket. Every time. Remember: you are innocent until proven guilty. Visual estimation, even by a law enforcement officer, is not legal proof. The citation has to indicate what method he used. If he paced you, he has to note where he started and where it ended.

good stuff. Now should I state any of that in the written declaration? I got the ticket over a month ago and still haven't recieved my bail amount or any info on it. I've called the court and they never pick up.

I would have to see your citation to know for sure, but if it doesn't explain how he proved you were speeding, I would just take it to court. Chances are he won't show anyway if he wrote it as a bluff. (He knew you were speeding, but he doesn't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That's all you have to prove.)

lol I had a thread on this on Car and Driver forums and everyone thought it was a bunch of bs. Nobody could prove it was bs though because nobody wanted to buy it in order to try it :lol:

To make the story short, the ticketassassin originator noticed there was a lot of traffic going to his site from C&D and decided to register and post to defend his "method". They still thought it was bs, so he gave up after several weeks of arguing with them.

Originally posted by BAN SUVS
No radar, no pace, no ticket. Every time. Remember: you are innocent until proven guilty. Visual estimation, even by a law enforcement officer, is not legal proof. The citation has to indicate what method he used. If he paced you, he has to note where he started and where it ended.
You should add "no admission".
If you admit you were speeding, your own admission can be used against you.
cop: Know why I pulled you over?
you: no sir
cop: How fast do you think you were going?
you: 70, 75?
cop: The speed limit here is 65, by your own admission, you were speeding. I'll note that on the ticket and see you in court. My Radar said 82mph, and I paced you for 1 mile as well, just to be sure. I'll note both of those on the ticket as well and in my log book. You ain't fighting this one, buddy.
you: Oh! I meant km, 70-75 km per hour, sir.
cop: Well... (cant convert km to mile, gets frustrated, and drives off)

hahahaha :lol: :lol:

On my citation, i was written up for violation of basic speed law. the officer didn't specify on the ticket how he estimated my speed. I asked him during the stop, and he first said visually and then said that he and another officer had estimated it via radar as well.

I used the argument that i was not in violation of the basic speed law due to the prevailing conditions, and then used the speed trap defense (engineering study needed on road in last 5years,etc).

The tricky thing is i have no idea why i was found not guilty. no reason was given, just not guilty.

on my declaration i asked that if i was found guilty that the court allow traffic school.

so, the only thing that i really learned from the experience is that you should at least fight it.

Originally posted by 2.5RSMatt
Good stuff.

I have a couple questions. How exactly did you write the letter. Can you give me an example of it? I got a 65 in 40 at 2am a while back in perfect driving conditions and want to do the written declaration.

Another question: If I plead not guilty via written dec. and they find me guilty can I still take traffic school to get it cleared or do I have to plea guilty from the beginning to be able to take the school. It has been 18months since I last too a school to clear a ticket.

Matt L

More than likely, you were found not guilty only because the officer failed to submit a response. Responding to these things can take up a lot of time and officers are already overburdened with paperwork.

Originally posted by rex_ruthor
More than likely, you were found not guilty only because the officer failed to submit a response. Responding to these things can take up a lot of time and officers are already overburdened with paperwork.

That's 90% of ticketassassin's strategy. But when you can't be found guilty, you might as well just go to court. It's fun to watch cops get yelled at by judges for wasting their time. :)

Juat to add my experiencem, i got a ticket about a year and a half ago. i believe it was someting like 50 in 35...give or take a few MPH's. I did the TBD and was found guilty however even if you are found guilty, the penalty is much much less. for example all i had was a fine about 35 bucks or somthin..no points, no records, none of that BS. Just a small fine and i was on my way..:D All they really want in the end is your $. :lol: seriously though! But good luck with your case. Jared

Here is my ticket. I recieved it over a month ago and have yet to recieve my bail amount in the mail. I've called the court for it but they will not pick up and the automated phone thing has no option for me.

Anyway, it doesn't say on the ticket how he read my speed and also doesn't say if it was am or pm but I'm sure that has nothing to do with anything. It says nothing under the radar section and also my radar detector never went off so He didn't use radar and hardly paced me because I had just come around a corner and he caught a glimps. I didn't say that I was speeding when he asked why he pulled me over. I pretty much acted dumb but respectful, I said I had no idea what speed I was going. Anyway here is the ticket.

http://pics.xs.to/pics/04072/ticket.jpg

Is the TBD my best option with a request for traffic school if found guilty?

It is unlikely that you will be found guilty since he can't present proof to the court that you were doing what he said you were. TBD is more convenient, but it would be more satisfying to see the officer's face when the judge finds you not guilty. :p TBD does have the advantage of increasing your odds of being uncontested by the officer.