http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/3929107.stm

Should be fun to watch.


Schumacher to do rally race

Formula One champion Michael Schumacher will compete against world rally championship leader Sebastien Loeb in December's Race of Champions.
The rally-based event will take place at the Stade de France in Paris on a one kilometre, figure-of-eight track.

"I'm really looking forward to it, it looks a lot of fun," said Schumacher.

Promoter Michele Mouton said: "We're thrilled he accepted our invitation. Rally drivers will not want to lose to a circuit driver."


Schumacher is not the first driver from outside the world of rallying to take part in the event; F1 star Fernando Alonso and Nascar legend Jeff Gordon have both previously been competitors.

But if Schumacher goes on to win a seventh world title this year, as seems certain, he will be the first reigning F1 world champion to take part.

I don't know that I'd call the Race Of Champions the same thing as the WRC, but this is pretty cool. Dave Despain mentioned it briefly on Windtunnel last night and said that he thought it was pretty cool that Schumacher was doing this.

The ROC is a kickass event. I'm surprised they're moving it from the Canary Islands though. That seemed like an awesome place to watch the event, albeit difficult and costly to get to. Hopefully this will draw a TON more specatators.

-Brian

Does he have to race in his F1 car :lol: That might make it fair.

Can't wait to see it. He was photographed testing Petter's subie last winter. I would have loved to have seen what he can do on natural ability alone.

That's awesome! I'm not a Schumacher fan but he's obviously one of the best of all time.

Too bad it's just a figure-eight though, I would love to see them going at it on something more challenging.

May need to take some money from 401k for that trip.

Does he have to race in his F1 car :lol: That might make it fair.
He's still win I bet... :p
























OK...maybe not. I bet he doesn't do that well. He's too precise. :lol:

-mykr.

Don't forget you're talking abou the most competetive and richest driver in motorsports. It would not surprise me if he bought a 2 year old WRC car and rally'd it himself. It still doesn't mean he could beat Loeb, but remember, Jeff Gordon and Joohnny Johnson both came within a 10th of a second of beating Gronholm in the Canaries two years ago.

-Sean

As much as I hate to admit it Gordon can really drive if he wants to....I just don't understand the allegiance to NASCAR other than the millions of dollars he gets paid...oh...wait...nevermind.

As much as I hate to admit it Gordon can really drive if he wants to....I just don't understand the allegiance to NASCAR other than the millions of dollars he gets paid...oh...wait...nevermind.
Exactly. I'd drive NASCAR if I got paid like that. :)

I thought Jeff Gordon wanted to be a Champ Car driver then go to F1 ala JPM... but couldn't get a ride in a Champ Car so he went where there was money.

Jeff Gordon is in fact a talented driver. Look at how he dominates on the road courses.

actually peter solberg gave shumacher a ride last year through one of the rally stages, during the pre race reck. Reportedly, his F1 bosses were not happy with him about that.... I can understand why ... maybe schumacher is getting bored with F1, he really doesent have any competition anymore.... maybe he'll move to WRC, that would bring a lot of more fans into the sport.. and its not like he need the F1 $$$$

I heard that Schumacher, when asked what he'd do after he decides to retire from FI, said he might go back and race Karts--gotta love that attitude-be fun to see if he could beat folks 20 years younger

Interesting Colin Mcrae Challenged Schumacher to a sort of duel a few years back Schumacher declined stating he had no interest in driving a Rally car

Interesting Colin Mcrae Challenged Schumacher to a sort of duel a few years back Schumacher declined stating he had no interest in driving a Rally car

Mebbe Schumi was afraid everyone's favorite snaggle-toothed Scot would McCrash right into him!! :lol: :lol:
This is very cool- mucho kudos to Michael for doing this- ROC can use the publicity too.

Russ R

I heard that Schumacher, when asked what he'd do after he decides to retire from FI, said he might go back and race Karts

On Speed last night they mentioned the name of one of Ferrari's young test drivers (can't remember his name) that the team is pretty excited about. They also stated that he beat Schumacher in a kart race.

I thought Jeff Gordon wanted to be a Champ Car driver then go to F1 ala JPM... but couldn't get a ride in a Champ Car so he went where there was money.

Perhaps an even better example is ROBBIE Gordon- another NASCRAP driver who can "really drive" (there's more than you think- you just can't tell when they're driving around in circles! :lol: ) and one who has also competed in the ROC and did very well.

Ford rally director Malcolm Wilson has said that Robbie was their pick to join the Ford team a number of years ago- but Gordon -like the rest- ended up going where the money is.
I guess I can't blame him... woulda been cool having a Yank in the WRC though!!

Russ R

(there's more than you think- you just can't tell when they're driving around in circles! :lol: )
You can usually tell during the wrecks. Watching someone like J. Gordon recover after being spun out vs one of the guys who climbed the ranks on circle tracks shows some distinct differences. It's in those brief panic moments that you see that extra talent awaken.

Just because NASCRAP is more balls than skill doesn't mean that some of those guys are not preposterously good. I think that's where you see the differences - Gordon DOMINATED the sport for like 3 years. Clearly he was something special. Some other guys, well, they really are just rednecks making lefts.

Not that I have anything against rednecks OR left-hand turns.

-Sean

As much as I hate to admit it Gordon can really drive if he wants to....I just don't understand the allegiance to NASCAR other than the millions of dollars he gets paid...oh...wait...nevermind.


The other issue is that the USA is home for him. He's the star of a huge and growing motorsport in the US, he's a household name here, he's making millions. I think it's sorta cool that he's confident enough to be content with where he's at. He's got a family and stuff here.

Yeah the NASCAR rednecks obviously love Gordon, they throw their trash on the track and boo when he wins, and cheer when he crashes. If Gordon ended up with a Williams/BMW ride I bet F1 would gain a lot of US viewers based on hate alone.

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When is this or when was it? Is there going to be any TV coverage?

nm.....found the website. Looks like it is December 4th.

http://www.imp.mc/rocwebsite/index.htm

Anyone know if Speed channel will cover it? Have they covered it in years past?

nm.....found the website. Looks like it is December 4th.

http://www.imp.mc/rocwebsite/index.htm

Anyone know if Speed channel will cover it? Have they covered it in years past?

Yes, they have.

Jeff Gordon and Joohnny Johnson both came within a 10th of a second of beating Gronholm in the Canaries two years ago.

-Sean

jeff and jimmy both had 2 days of practice runs.............. Gronholm didnt even practice the course once.......... The race was his practice run.......

I don't know that I'd call the Race Of Champions the same thing as the WRC, but this is pretty cool. Dave Despain mentioned it briefly on Windtunnel last night and said that he thought it was pretty cool that Schumacher was doing this. :rolleyes: Dave Despain what jerk didn't use to do the motorcycle show. How did he land that gig. everytime I see a comercial with his face on it, I speed up the Tivo to the max. I attempted to watch that show and it was no surprise It was nothing but B.S. Too much NASCAR influence OH that's right they own the network. :lol:

I don't know that I'd call the Race Of Champions the same thing as the WRC, but this is pretty cool. Dave Despain mentioned it briefly on Windtunnel last night and said that he thought it was pretty cool that Schumacher was doing this. As far as Jeff Gordon goes when he and a few other U.S. drivers participated in the event 2 years ago they won and nice feather in the U.S. ball cap. I suspect a US team will enter again they lost last year Boris Said was one of the drivers. It will be interesting to see who the US sends. I thinking a few CRAPCAR oops NASCAR drivers will be in the MIX. :alien:

I'm GOING! The driver lineup is just insane...Schumacher, Loeb, Gronholm, McRae, Coulthard, and others. There will be the Race of Champions, then the Nations Cup.

For the interested, tix are 60 Euros each, and American Airlines is having a great fly Wednesday, return Wednesday deal of $340 per person, round trip, non-stop. It's a great excuse to spend a week in the fabulous city of Paris. The wife and I are renting an apartment a couple of blocks from the Picasso Museum, and a block from the Metro. Suffice it to say, I can't wait. I was going to get the pit pass, but with 3,000 people and only an hour's access, you almost certainly won't get near anything worth getting near, so I punted.

Kevin

Yes they have covered it in past years ... not live though, if I recall. From the Home page, it's not a "simple" figure 8 track ... but obviously not as long or as complex as the original track in the Canary Islands ...

:rolleyes: Dave Despain what jerk didn't use to do the motorcycle show. How did he land that gig. everytime I see a comercial with his face on it, I speed up the Tivo to the max. I attempted to watch that show and it was no surprise It was nothing but B.S. Too much NASCAR influence OH that's right they own the network. :lol:
I used to think EXACTLY like you about Dave Despain. Still can't stand his show, but after reading the huge interview with him in Grassroots Motorsports a little while back, I have a whole new respect for him. You have (what I had) the wrong perception about him and his show.

I'll see if I can find an copy of the interview...

Meh - have the mag, but that's it- no online. But basically, he was more or less told, "Look - nobody gives a poop about your motorcycles. You're network is owned by Fox. Fox owns NASCAR. Adapt or be fired."

Basically, he said it point blank in the interview that he'd LOVE to talk about other motorsports, and would love to talk grassroots stuff, and yes there IS too much focus on NASCAR, but since he has a "call in" program, when 90% of the people who call in want to talk about NASCAR, he has to cater to what the audience wants. The sad truth is that he's only catering to what the network already caters too, but he's first to admit that he doesn't like the way it is, but he accepts the way it is.

Long story short, good article, totally new outlook on the guy (for me, anyway!)

looks like gordon and jimmie johnson. sweet. stewart instead of johnson would have been my pick, or maybe paul tracy.
sam

I used to think EXACTLY like you about Dave Despain. Still can't stand his show, but after reading the huge interview with him in Grassroots Motorsports a little while back, I have a whole new respect for him. You have (what I had) the wrong perception about him and his show.

I'll see if I can find an copy of the interview...

Meh - have the mag, but that's it- no online. But basically, he was more or less told, "Look - nobody gives a poop about your motorcycles. You're network is owned by Fox. Fox owns NASCAR. Adapt or be fired."

Basically, he said it point blank in the interview that he'd LOVE to talk about other motorsports, and would love to talk grassroots stuff, and yes there IS too much focus on NASCAR, but since he has a "call in" program, when 90% of the people who call in want to talk about NASCAR, he has to cater to what the audience wants. The sad truth is that he's only catering to what the network already caters too, but he's first to admit that he doesn't like the way it is, but he accepts the way it is.

Long story short, good article, totally new outlook on the guy (for me, anyway!) :huh: interesting but i'm going to stand my ground after he called motorsports mundial? and stupid little show :eek: .

looks like gordon and jimmie johnson. sweet. stewart instead of johnson would have been my pick, or maybe paul tracy.
sam :rolleyes: Paul Tracy is a spoiled hot head :furious: He is not a great driver look, how long it took him to win a championship with the best equipment. He probably wouldn't get along with the rest of the team. :lol:

Yes they have covered it in past years ... not live though, if I recall. From the Home page, it's not a "simple" figure 8 track ... but obviously not as long or as complex as the original track in the Canary Islands ... The teams race in I believe 3 or 4 different types of cars on the loose stuff.

Tracy is Canadian, so I don't think he was an option unless he's become an American citizen as well. Come to think of it, I don't recall Canada having a team. Do they? You would think they would considering that there are some great Canadian drivers out there.

If Canada does have a team, Richard should do the rally races. :D

Tracy is Canadian, so I don't think he was an option unless he's become an American citizen as well. Come to think of it, I don't recall Canada having a team. Do they? You would think they would considering that there are some great Canadian drivers out there. They probably won't have one because of P.Tracy, I think you are right but I'm not really sure if they ever had a race team, Anyone know?

jeff and jimmy both had 2 days of practice runs.............. Gronholm didnt even practice the course once.......... The race was his practice run.......

They didn't mention that in the C&D article...they probably left it out for dramatic effect! Doesn't take away from what Jimmie and Jeff did though.

$340 per person round trip? do you have any links? i've been wanting to get out of the country again. Thats too good of a price to pass up.

They didn't mention that in the C&D article...they probably left it out for dramatic effect! Doesn't take away from what Jimmie and Jeff did though.

The course was like concrete --- the rally drivers really didnt have an advantage

That's awesome! I'm not a Schumacher fan but he's obviously one of the best of all time.

Too bad it's just a figure-eight though, I would love to see them going at it on something more challenging.Yes, Michael has won a lot of races - but in these modern times where the car practicaly drives itself and there is almost no passing what so ever. I would LOVE to see him put in an old 60's Ferrari, Lotus, BRM, Brabham, whatever, where you had to actually DRIVE the car on skinny little tires, and practically drift every corner. And many a time with 2 - 3 other cars in the corner with you trying to pass!!!! Some of you might be too young to remember the truly great drivers like Moss, Fangio, Clark, Hill, Hawthorne, etc. Heck, in those days they wore t-shirts, polo helmets, and had no seatbelts. And during one race, Fangio's seat broke, so they stuffed a crate of oranges in his car for him to sit on - and he STILL won! Lets see today's over-paid cry babies try that!!!!!! Those were the days of the TRUE MEN, pioneers of the sport, who raced not for money, but for the love of the sport. The only things that has made today's F1 a bit of fun is Sato and Montoya. Other than that, its like a line for the checkout at a grocery store.

Oh, and as for rally? I really enjoy today's cars, and guys like Peter, Burns, and McRae. But again, you young-uns missed the days of the unlimited cars like the Audi - and with a WOMAN like Michelle driving it! It even took some time before anyone beat her time at Pike's Peak! Which makes me think - sure would be kool to see her enter in the event as well . . . . . . and use her old Audi
:devil:

You sound like an old fan of almost any sport - "yeah, these players are OK, but back in MY day the drivers were SO MUCH BETTER!". I'm sorry, if you stuck Fangio in an F2004 on top of an orange crate, he would kill himself and a few spectators in the FIRST TURN. If he wasn't too afraid to open the car up and didn't brake the thing to a stop 400m before the turn.

Appreciate Fangio, Clark, Stewart, Hill and Moss for what they were - brilliant performers, clearly the best of the best in their sport in their era. But the era has changed, as it inevetibly does in sports, and it is not the same game. I'm not saying that Schumi is conclusively BETTER than Fangio - that would be stupid. However, to say that Schumi is conclusively worse with no evidence to back it up AT ALL is just as stupid.

On top of that, Fangio never won 80 races. Neither did any of the other greats. In fact, the numbers 2 and 3 drivers TOGETHER barely have as many victories as Schumacher. You can say that the competition isn't as good (infinitely debatable), but you can't say that the cars drive themselves - if they did, wouldn't you expect a more even spread of victories? Over the last 4 years, Schumacher has won more races than the rest of F1 combined. Fangio never pulled that off.

As for modern F1 cars driving themselves, I would truly, really, deeply love to see you try to make it around a single lap at SPA or Magny-Cours in an F1 car, without coming to a complete stop even once, either accidently or on purpose. I would be more than happy to wager that you could not do it on your first try, and I'd wager $1000. I'll also wager another $1000 that you stall it.

It's up to you to get the ride.

-Sean

Yes, Michael has won a lot of races - but in these modern times where the car practicaly drives itself and there is almost no passing what so ever. I would LOVE to see him put in an old 60's Ferrari, Lotus, BRM, Brabham, whatever, where you had to actually DRIVE the car on skinny little tires, and practically drift every corner. And many a time with 2 - 3 other cars in the corner with you trying to pass!!!! Some of you might be too young to remember the truly great drivers like Moss, Fangio, Clark, Hill, Hawthorne, etc. Heck, in those days they wore t-shirts, polo helmets, and had no seatbelts. And during one race, Fangio's seat broke, so they stuffed a crate of oranges in his car for him to sit on - and he STILL won! Lets see today's over-paid cry babies try that!!!!!! Those were the days of the TRUE MEN, pioneers of the sport, who raced not for money, but for the love of the sport. The only things that has made today's F1 a bit of fun is Sato and Montoya. Other than that, its like a line for the checkout at a grocery store.

Oh, and as for rally? I really enjoy today's cars, and guys like Peter, Burns, and McRae. But again, you young-uns missed the days of the unlimited cars like the Audi - and with a WOMAN like Michelle driving it! It even took some time before anyone beat her time at Pike's Peak! Which makes me think - sure would be kool to see her enter in the event as well . . . . . . and use her old Audi
:devil:

$340 per person round trip? do you have any links? i've been wanting to get out of the country again. Thats too good of a price to pass up.

Just go to www.aa.com, and enter the dates of travel. Flying on a Wednesday is always cheap because for some reason, nobody flies on a Wednesday, though it looked like the plane was filling up to me, so apparently somebody does. The cheapest fare, on a Web Special, is leaving 12/1 and departing De Gaulle on 12/8.

If you also want to get race tix, you can do it through the Stade de France site, via Ticketweb.fr.

Kevin

Niki Lauda said that "a monkey can drive an F1 car today." He got his chance in a Jaguar, and spun two or three times over a half-lap before bringing the car in. When reached for subsequent comment, he simply said "Eeek, eeek," clutching a banana to his chest. :lol:

Seriously, it is impossible to compare old and new drivers. You slid yesterday's cars, but there is hardly any margin for error in today's cars, because the limits are so high. They are very different. But when you look at what Schumacher did at Suzuka, a track that always favors the best driver, you can only marvel. He was driving the third-heaviest car in terms of fuel load, but by the time of his first pit stop, he had enough of a lead to still come out in the lead.

People have a long list of drivers that Schumacher isn't better than, but the numbers speak for themselves. Like Michael Jordan, I believe the simple answer is that he seems so good because he IS so good. He is dominant because he is simply the best driver of his generation, and one of the best of all time. In anything approaching an equal car, Schumacher will win. He even wrestled inferior cars to contention, as he did against Hakkinen and Villeneuve, the latter of which he would have defeated in 1997 had his Ferrari not failed him. Don't forget that Schumacher had romped off to a large lead, when his car began to go bad.

I saw Schumacher driving a Maserati road car on some fun laps at the USGP. He was flying! The follow car was having a really hard time keeping up, and Schumacher exited the car with a big old grin on his face. Fast drivers are fast in anything. I think sometimes, Schumacher probably wishes that the Ferrari weren't so good. I daresay that in a BAR or Renault, Schumacher would have gotten more wins for those constructors than they have this season.

History has given us some great drivers. And then as now, there are people who want to pull them down. Steve Matchett said it best when he commented that even though now, people are slagging Schumacher, and trying to rein in Ferrari, when he is gone they will be saying "I was there when..."

Kevin

damn, tracy is a canuck isn't he, ok then, team canada, vileneuve(sp) and tracy. that would be a good team and good to see Jaque go against schumi and gordon.

as of now there is no team canada.

and to previous posts comparing drivers from different eras, i feel that drivers statistics speak for themselves. schumi is the best ever in formula 1.

sam

Seriously, it is impossible to compare old and new drivers. You slid yesterday's cars, but there is hardly any margin for error in today's cars, because the limits are so high. They are very different. Yes, they are very different cars, but in their time the margin for error was relevant to the technology and speeds that could be achieved back then. Its just that it was more the driver's skill and ballance, than relying on "black boxes" for traction control, and vacume cleaner ground effects. And you have to admit, many announcers want to see the cars go backwards technology wise a bit so as to make the racing more exciting because it would bring back a seldom used word today = PASSING.

People have a long list of drivers that Schumacher isn't better than, but the numbers speak for themselves. Like Michael Jordan, I believe the simple answer is that he seems so good because he IS so good. He is dominant because he is simply the best driver of his generation, and one of the best of all time. I agree, he is the best driver of his time, and he has tremendous skills. And he has won tons of races etc . . . . but then he is about the only driver in his class, almost. He has no real competition like the drivers in the old days, seeing as on track were nearly ALL LEGENDS at the same time = Moss, Fangio, Clark, Hawthorne, Nuvolari, Ascari, Hill, Brabham . . . . they were all on the track against each other nearly every race. So it really was a crapshoot who'd win. So no wonder no one driver could win the most like Mike, they were all champions. And did that make for exciting racing? You bet! :)

He even wrestled inferior cars to contention, as he did against Hakkinen and Villeneuve, the latter of which he would have defeated in 1997 had his Ferrari not failed him. Don't forget that Schumacher had romped off to a large lead, when his car began to go bad. More than once, Stirling Moss was able to defeat factory teams with a rat-trap that had parts falling off it as it went around the track lap after lap. Imagine having to drive fast, and turn, all the while holding on to a part to keep it from flying off the car? Or during one Mille Migila, where Moss and Ireland were in a car (forgot - Maserati of Mercedes???). Ireland was driving when the wiring under the dash went bad. Moss twisted around and began to work on the car while Ireland was driving it. Ireland lost control and the car spun a couple of times, and then back on the track. Stirling just peeked out from under the dash and asked if they hit a bump :lol: I have to admit my fondness for Moss, he was my idol since I could walk. And I was fortunate to actually meet him at an IMSA Firehawk 500 along with Innes Ireland. We chatted for hours. He was the true Gentlemen's Gentleman! And being a Lotus lover, Clark too! Even had a Jimmy Clark Special Europa S2 with the black badges after his death. And in all honesty, when Lotus was no more, my interest in F1 died.

and to previous posts comparing drivers from different eras, i feel that drivers statistics speak for themselves. schumi is the best ever in formula 1. I would not agree to that. But I would agree that he is grouped with the best of the world through all the years, and is a legend with them all. They were all great in their time, and will forever be remembered.

Long live Colin, long live LOTUS!!!!!!!!! :devil:
And darn it, bring back F1 to LBGP!!!!!!!!!!!

There was a top 100 drivers of all time article in one of the British mags and the ratings were from people involved in F1 (past and present). I was shocked at Schumacher's modest ranking of 10 or something like that. Man, I don't like the guy but he deserves much better than that! Senna was the top dog.

I agree though, it's impossible to compare drivers of different eras. Does make for some interesting discussion and what-ifs though...

I agree though, it's impossible to compare drivers of different eras. Does make for some interesting discussion and what-ifs though... Didn't somebody once program a computer to create fantasy fights like Rocky Graziono vs Ali, or something like that? Would be cool to do that with this discussion. Somehow program in all the variables, technology (or lack of), and try and make a PAX.

Or . . . . . . we find the best EA Sports F1 2002 sim driver in Mike's Ferrari, and then stick him in a Lotus in Grand Prix Legends :)

z3coupe, my contention is that Schumacher doesn't have any "real" competition because he simply is that good. Again, like Michael Jordan, the question wasn't if he would score, but when and how. Speculation has been that Schumacher is worth about a second per lap. I don't know how the people who offered it up arrived at that conclusion, but we do know that he is demonstrably faster than any other driver. To watch him live is fascinating, from cornering lines to braking points.

People who hold forth about the "good old days" remind of the people who say "so and so athlete today is good, but he was nothing compared to..." Who knows? Will we ever know? What we do know is that no driver has been more successful than M. Schumacher. Stats can sometimes obsfucate, but the rarely lie. Good cars, mediocre cars, slow cars and dominant cars, Schumacher has kept on winning races. Other drivers have faltered, as challenger after challenger comes and goes. But the man keeps on winning.

He is the driver that people love to hate, love to say isn't as good as he in fact is, that it's the car, and the team, etc, etc. Those of us who remember Ferrari's pit stops and team structure in the pre-Schumacher days, know better. He did the same thing for Benetton.

So I don't know who's greatest and who's not. It's impossible to know. There were great drivers and cars then, as well as now. That's all we can know for sure.

Kevin

I've always found it interesting what sets the truly great apart from the merely good and the rest. Guys like Joe Montana, Michael Jordan, Senna, and of course Schumacher's in the same league. So what makes him so fast?

I read somewhere that he likes to set up his car on the slightly loose, more responsive side. During cornering, his hand movements seem to indicate he's literally losing it/saving it several times during the corner. His lightning-quick reflexes and car control allow him to extract that little bit more than all the others. Can anyone dispute or add to that?

I think Senna was the same way as opposed to drivers like Prost, Lauda, etc who preferred a touch of understeer.

Drivers like Senna and MS have complete confidence in their abilities ... there is no wavering going into the fastest corner. And they are able to maximize their speed during the steady state part of cornering. Other drivers might only be perfect at corner entry and exit ... drivers like MS are fast everywhere. They also don't necessarily set up their car with a bit of over or understeer ... they set it up so that it's at it's fastest at the fastest parts of the course. They optimize everything ...

I've also read several times that Schumacher likes the car very stiff and oversteery, like a kart. Other drivers don't like his setup because it's too difficult to drive. Alonso likes the car to understeer a bit, check out the inboard shots of him driving and it's all too apparent.

Trying to compare the old drivers to the new is an exercise in futility. My favourite drivers of all time include Fangio, Clark, Moss, Stewart, and Schumacher.

Speedtv covered it last year. I'm sure it was not live Too many NASCRAP show Oh no we wouldn't want to cut into that

I thought the US team didn't really send what they were supposed to. One dirt, one pavement and one cyclist. I know that both Gordons and Johnson both have raced dirt in the past but I thought it was to be their present form.

Not a big fan of NASCAR but a fan of Robby. I think his contract is up with Hendrick(or whoever he is signed with) is up this year. I saws something about he may just step up his Busch team.

Good to see MS trying something else.

http://www.robbygordon.com/Imagefolio31_file/gallery/03_OFF-ROAD/01_SAND_DUNES/Glamis_New_Years_2002/glamis_2001_089.jpg

I wonder if Travis Pastrana is going to be invited back again.


http://europeancarweb.com/events/0407ec_champion02_z.jpg

Pastrana did the Race of Champions last year??

Pastrana did the Race of Champions last year??


My bad, He was on the 2002 team. It was aired on TV in 2003.