Does anyone have these packs installed on your WRX? If so, was it difficult to install and what do you think about it? I am planning on doing stage 2 in the spring. Thanks.

I'd imagine the hardest part of the prodrive packs would be the up-pipe.

For the money, you can have much better power going elseware, there was big controversy a while back in regards to prodrives kits not producing their advertised power.

^^^^ Yeah, what he said. ^^^^^

^ I second that. ^
Try www.turboxs.com, www.vishnutuning.com, www.cobbtuning.com, and other web-sites I cant name for performance packages. For Prodrive products, you pay for the name....much like Mercedes Benz. :banana:


-Mark
www.MAPmotors.com

Only the Stage 3 replaces the uppipe. Stage 2 replaces the intercooler hoses, 3rd cat, and muffler. Nothing difficult there.

I suspect the hardest part is being able to afford it. Prodrive packs cost the most and offer the least performance.

Search the 'Car Parts' forum under 'Nasioc Reviews" for 'Prodrive". Titles instead of full text will reduce clutter.

Edit: Click 'search', then 'advanced search' to see these options.

I've got the PPP2 on my '04 Wagon - and so far I'm really pleased with the increased performance. Acosta fan - here's a link to a good PPP2 review:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548269

I had PPP2 on my WRX for about 4 months and then just upgraded to PPP3 about 2 weeks ago. You can read about all the other threads on these kits, but personally I really like them. The PPP2 is very easy to install. The PPP3 kit is more involved due to the uppipe replacement. Thanks to the wealth of info on these forums it ended up not being that difficult. These are pretty much 'plug and play' systems. I have not had one single problem with either kit. No running problems and, no check engine lights. As far as power goes, I ran the car at ButtonWillow HPDE with the PPP2 kit and had no problems keeping up with two M3's (E36 and E46) down the front straight.

waveskidude - i'm also thinking about the PPP3 upgrade. how much louder is your car with the prodrive up and down installed? also - have you had any emission testing trouble w/only a high-flow cat?

thanks...

I too have the PPP2 on my 03 wagon. I have no complaints in the desert southwest at 6500 ft. No check engine, improved drivability, no pinging on hot days, 27 mpg while commuting etc. During track events the car has had no problems running with more exotic and more powerful cars. That being said, you can get more horsepower for the same money elsewhere. I might go stage 3 in the next month, then again I might go with a Ver. 8 swap in the next month also :D

I have a PPP3 I've got a review of it floating around here somewhere.

edit: here it is http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432029&highlight=prodrive+power+pack

I like it a lot. No issues. Plenty of power for me. No CEL. Quality is second to none. If you are looking for big power numbers, this is not for you....but if you want better throttle response, drivabilty, etc., this is what you want. I recommend buying a boost gauge.

The PPPs are under warranty in the UK. Won't really do you any good here, but you get some peace of mind that they are warrantied somewhere. Additionally, I have heard that prodrive has PPP3 ej20s on an engine dyno with over 100K miles on em and no problems.

I installed a PPP3 at 40k miles; got ~65k now - and still love it. (I'm using the Stromung twin tip muffler instead of the Prodrive; I already had it, and couldn't bear to part with it) :D

What do I like about it?

It's a complete, well engineered, kit; install it and go, no further tuning necessary. As long as you're happy with the results you just drive... :)
Very nicely designed and constructed bits. (Full disclosure: I had some early parts, and a few fitment problems which I reported to Prodrive. Presumably long ago resolved...)
Excellent power, from off idle to the top; boost max well below 3k under most conditions.
Note: this is the only system I'm aware of that actually makes full use of the stock turbo's compressor map: under optimum conditions the reflashed ECU's boost max is ~19psi in the heart of the midrange, tapering down to follow the map above ~5k. (This is actually a bit conservative compared to how far the map looks like you could push it, but I like that for longevity.)
Lovely sound; I rarely even turn on the radio/CD anymore (of course I can't vouch for the difference w/ the Prodrive muffler, but I'm told it's much the same).
You can use the stock heatshield, albeit with some modification. (Search for posts with my name and "heatshield" for pics and description).
No CELs; O2 sensors in stock locations, EGT sensor moved to DP where it can't affect the turbo if it physically fails; the reflash (presumably) takes care of any adjusted parameters.
Driven from sea level to over 11k feet, and from ~-30F to ~100F. No hiccups; boost does adjust for conditions, as expected (I would hope so!).

Do I want more power? Of course! :D But I'm not willing to compromise long term reliability, nor daily drivability, to get it. Hmmm...maybe PPP4 someday... :devil:

waveskidude - i'm also thinking about the PPP3 upgrade. how much louder is your car with the prodrive up and down installed? also - have you had any emission testing trouble w/only a high-flow cat?

thanks...

Capecod -

I've only had the system on for about two weeks or so and haven't had to do any emission testing. That said, one of the things I like about this kit is the nice downpipe cat. I can't say for sure that it will pass any US emissions tests, but it is the same cat they put on the UK PPP kits and include an emissions warranty on those systems. As far as noise,the PPP3 does not make it any louder per se. It sounds a little deeper at idle and a tiny bit noiser on acceleration (due to the new uppipe). Its just as quiet as the PPP2 kit on the highway (hard to hear anything over my worn Azenis.....).

Hmmm...maybe PPP4 someday... :devil:


From what I understand, they are thinking about it.

I've still got to add my little orifice thing, but i finished everything and put the ECU back in a few minutes ago... Seemed fine, it's hot as ***** here today, so I'm sure I won't see 19 psi on the way home, but it worked... apparently no exhaust leaks yet! :cool:
As far as noise,the PPP3 does not make it any louder per se. It sounds a little deeper at idle and a tiny bit noiser on acceleration (due to the new uppipe)

I concur... not much, if any noisier...

I've heard rumblings of PPP4 also...

I've heard rumblings of PPP4 also...

Must ........ resist ........... :devil:

what would ppp4 be? vf34?

turbo, intercooler, fuel pump, injectors is what i heard.

my prodrive performance pack stage 2 is on its way to be installed cant wait

-Jeff

its in and its a very nice upgrade

-Jeff

jester5 - Did your car have any issues with bucking on throttle let-off at ~5000 rpm? Just wondering if the PPP2 fixes that on the MY04's.

Hi Guys

Nice to read some good thought / feelings about PPP's! To the chap who's just fitted his, make sure you put the new jet in, it's important

About PPP4, we have done a couple of iterations of PPP4, one has been running for about 30k miles on Dan's car (dan@prodrive.com) with no problems (and I mean NO problems, he's still on stock original clutch and transmission) and it's only ever seen 91 pump gas and will eat a stock STi :)

Current spec is - turbo, full exhaust, up-pipe, injectors, pump, intercooler, intercooler pipe, intake, zip tube, scoop and scoop internals

We have not made the decision to supply it yet, we are concerned about warranty issues (clutch and transmission) as some US Impreza drivers seem to have clutch / transmission problems with almost stock cars we feel that PPP4 might be too much for them. We also feel that PPP4 may not be a "100,000 mile solution" to explain everything we sell is from the point of NOT effecting your warranty (even if it's not officially covered). The PPP4 pushes this envelope and may not be 100,000 mile safe, we have to consider our position on this as it's a new area for us.

Assuming all the points get covered we may offer it as an up-grade path to PPP3 owners or something like that, the one final issue is cost of course but we're working on that.

Cheers

Simon

simon@prodrive.com

Do the prodrive packs work well w/ California pee fuel?

For what it is worth, here was my write-up on the PPP2, including impressions about installation:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548269

I will add that I followed that very long PPP2 thread here before purchasing the PPP2 myself. Some comments:
1) Many people bashing the PPP2 have never even tried it and are more or less just supporting the frustrations of their fellow NASIOC members. It is nice to see fellow NASIOC members stick up for each other, but consider how many people have expressed frustrations. I count very few. There are many others in the forums happy with their PPP2 (including me). And there is probably a number of silent satisfied folks. Dissatisfied folks are rightly and understandably verbal, but satisfied people are frequently quiet.
2) A couple of extremely verbal folks evidently were installing the PPP2 with additional modifications, like an up-pipe. Prodrive has rather often noted that their stuff is meant to go as a package. That is, it is an optimized package. One could make the argument that Prodrive has made an excessively "sensitive" system (I see it more as highly optimized), but it is something they noted/warned from the beginning, so you decide who should be faulted for installing additional modifications.
3) I have contacted Simon and other guys at Prodrive. You know, when you actually take the time to contact them, they actually talk to you! Wow, what a concept - talking TO people instead of talking ABOUT them!

I have a PPP2 with a Prodrive up-pipe. Works fine.
I am looking to go to PPP3. I think that the comment regarding PPP2 being expensive should go away. Just buy it used.
The Prodrive up-pipe installation is no more difficult than any other up-pipe. It's of the flex type. Once in, the boost will pick up sooner than on normal PPP2, and that trademark acceleration in 4th and 5th gear at medium throttle of PPP2 becomes a bit more noticeable and lasts further into the RPM.
One thing that seemed a bit different is that the Prodrive up-pipe did not add any sound. I was reading that other up-pipes add something.
I am happy with my upgrade and I recomend it.
Vld

Do the prodrive packs work well w/ California pee fuel?

All the PPP's are fully optimised for Cali fuel

Cheers

Simon

Hi Guys

Nice to read some good thought / feelings about PPP's! To the chap who's just fitted his, make sure you put the new jet in, it's important


What jet?
When I purchased PPP2 in person direct from prodrive, I never had any "jet " !!

What jet?
When I purchased PPP2 in person direct from prodrive, I never had any "jet " !!

I think Simon is referring to the restricto pill in the wastegate hose after the "T" junction.

I didn't get the pill !! and on ppp2 for over one year !

I didn't get the pill !! and on ppp2 for over one year !


Calm down! The PPP2 is designed to work with the stock jet, only the PPP3 has a jet change as std. A few people in the early days had some issues with PPP2 (some real, some caused by fitting other parts and not telling us...) and during the process of sorting out these issues I sent out some alternative metering orifices (jet) (as well as some slightly different ROM file spec's.

These changes have been "baked in" to the current PPP2 but that does not mean that we will never have a problem, the USA is a huge country with - very high / very low / very cold / very hot all available in various combinations.

I would repeat what I've said before, if you have a problem, talk to us.

Cheers

Simon

Hey Simon. How's it? I need more boost. When are you coming back to SoCal? ;)

For anyone who is interested, Simon Lines just posted a response to my question about tuning philosophy in the PPP2. I then added my own comments based on consulting with a fellow engineer who is quite an engine expert and track enthusiast:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548269&page=1&pp=25

Hey Simon. How's it? I need more boost. When are you coming back to SoCal? ;)

Hi Mate

Not sure right now, soon I hope!

Got your exhaust yet?

Cheers

Simon

I suspect the hardest part is being able to afford it. Prodrive packs cost the most and offer the least performance.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Do the prodrive packs work well w/ California pee fuel?My PPP2 runs fine on Cali 91, no issues at all. On the stock ECU, after a reset, and on a full tank of 91, I would occasionally hear little detonation events for the first 100 miles or so when under load. These det events would sound to me like 3 cylinder firings every time they occured. With the PPP2 reflash and 91, I get about the same number of det events, but they always sound like a single firing. It seems to me that the PPP2 reflash is better able to deal with low quality fuel than is the stock programming.

Note that some detonation is the normal result of the ECU adjusting to the quality of fuel in use at the moment.

Additionally, the PPP2 responds VERY well to higher octane in the form of added toluene or xylene. Adds very noticeable power, widens the powerband by improving available torque at all engine speeds, and throttle response becomes significantly sharper.

It's been nearly two years and 29,000 miles since the PPP2 was installed, and during that time I've considered switching to Cobb or having some custom tuning done. Every time I've considered such a change, the deciding factor has always been engine longevity. I hope to keep this car for many years to come, and Prodrive's concern for long term reliability, coupled with the fact that my car has been utterly reliable and trouble free, has kept me from changing anything. BTW, the car is a blast to drive. HTH.

All i no is the prodrivestage 4 pack is fast dan gave me a ride in his car. Its a supper clean and fast car.Hope it comes out soon

Hi Mate

Not sure right now, soon I hope!

Got your exhaust yet?

Cheers

Simon


Just about about done. I got some other pieces you reccomended as well.

Steve misses you too...

Ahaha! See ya.

Whatever happened to the quaint notion that Prodrive Performance Packages would be CARB-legal and would be supplied with a CARB Executive Order (EO) sticker and all that other stuff that would make them legal for sale and use? Last time I checked the CARB database at http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/amquery.php (last update Jan 7, 2005), Prodrive was missing in action.

There's no way to get a CARB exemption on PPP2 or PPP3. Once you tamper with a catalyst, you violate federal emissions laws. CARB is a more strict version of federal emissions laws, not less strict. So CARB exemption is out of the question.

That said, many people in California are running around with various cat deletes and meeting sniffer inspection just fine.

^^Very succint post Orson.

Just like to add that its illegal to change catalysts under 50K miles.

I suspect the hardest part is being able to afford it. Prodrive packs cost the most and offer the least performance.

I'll leave other's to comment on the performance but I can tell you that as part of our reorganisation the PPP2 is now $999 and the PPP3 is $1900 with our very high spec steel substrate cat (or $1700 without the cat)

Cheers

Simon

Hi Simon,
How much will be the new upgrade 2 to 3 package?
And what price if I already have the prodrive up-pipe and just want the remaining components, including the reflash?
What are the odds that if I order now I'll get the new and improved map for stage 3?
Thank you,
Vlad

I'll leave other's to comment on the performance but I can tell you that as part of our reorganisation the PPP2 is now $999

Good to hear; this spring I'll want one for a 2005 WRX.

I'll leave other's to comment on the performance but I can tell you that as part of our reorganisation the PPP2 is now $999 and the PPP3 is $1900 with our very high spec steel substrate cat (or $1700 without the cat)

Cheers

Simon

Hi Simon, we spoke recently about the RB5 wings via email. Anyways about the prices here, are they the upgrade cost from PPP1? Or are those the straight up cost? So stock to PPP3 $1900 with cat? That is a very good price if I am reading this right!

I'd also like to hear more about the PPP's and warranty claims. For example if something were to go wrong that "could" be traced to a catless uppipe among the other places it could be traced, will we have the golden pass with a Prodrive uppipe in place. I realize these things are never cut and dry like that but basically will there be any sort of SOA recognition of PPP's as being suitable/acceptable aftermarket parts?

I have been looking for ways to extract more "drivability" from my WRX without running the risk of being a denied a warranty claim for something that really would not be related to the aftermarket parts installed. If the PPP's fit that bill I would gladly purchase one.

basically will there be any sort of SOA recognition of PPP's as being suitable/acceptable aftermarket parts?

No, there may be some dealers that sell PPP and will still do work on the car, but most will not.

No, there may be some dealers that sell PPP and will still do work on the car, but most will not.

So then will this new reorganization add any more dealership distributors? How about a list of Prodrive authorized dealers?

So then will this new reorganization add any more dealership distributors? How about a list of Prodrive authorized dealers?
I dont know... but I dont think it wont make much of a difference either way. Theres only a hand full of dealers that will sell it and of thoes a tiny amount that will do warranty work on the car. Bottom line is if you are worried about the warranty dont mod it... telling the dealer tecs "but its prodrive" will just make them laugh harder.

I dont know... but I dont think it wont make much of a difference either way. Theres only a hand full of dealers that will sell it and of thoes a tiny amount that will do warranty work on the car. Bottom line is if you are worried about the warranty dont mod it... telling the dealer tecs "but its prodrive" will just make them laugh harder.

Wouldnt that be nice, "but is prodrive, they build the world rally car". In that case mod away...... The funny thing is the majority of dealerships wouldnt have a clue what you were talking about if you mentioned prodrive.

... Anyways about the prices here, are they the upgrade cost from PPP1? Or are those the straight up cost? ....

Official word would have to come from Simon, but $999 for PPP2 would have to be a full package price (not upgrade price), otherwise, it would be a price increase. Current prices are $999 for a PPP1 and $1299 for a PPP2.

New pricing for up-grade's is still TBD, the new PPP pricing - $999 for a PPP2, $1700 for PPP3 (without cat) and $1900 for PPP3 (with cat) is for "out-right purchase" i.e. from stock not an up-grade.

As has been correctly stated, we are NOT covered by any kind of SoA or dealer warranty, at present this is a UK (and EU) only thing. I would imagine suggesting to your dealer that your car should be warranted because it's covered in the UK / EU will probably not "fly". I would suggest honouring your warranty is probably a much wider issue than having a Prodrive, muffler / centre pipe / intercooler pipe / down-pipe / up-pipe fitted to your car.

Dan has been running PPP4 on his WRX for the last 30k miles and is still on the standard (as fitted from new) clutch, gearbox, engine, etc, etc and this is a 12 second car! My understanding is that some people are having clutch and transmission problems with stock cars, of course "stock" is open to interpretation, we had some customers swearing that their PPP2's were "completely stock" when they were not so I would imagine there are some people who are prepared to tell the dealer "stock" and "no abuse" when it's clearly not the case.

Which is a shame really as some cars do have problems that are not down to the owners and it's possible that some of these owners do not have a good experience because of a few others trying to commit fraud. I would imagine that if more owners fronted-up to racing, abuse and modifications, and accepted that things sometimes break due to this, that people who are sensible, careful and using mild mods would probably have a better dealer experience...

We are not looking to increase the network size, in fact we are reducing, we want quality not quantity. A list will be on the website in due course, in the meantime just drop me or Dan an e-mail and we can point you in the right direction.

Cheers

Simon

So how do I order the PPP2? The website seems to be down (actually you are redirected). $999 is something that I can definitely appreciate.

If you read Simon's posts above, the pricing is not final yet. I'm sure you will hear about new prices in the vendor's forum if/when it becomes final.

About the PPP3 package:
I was not aware before that there was a "no-cat" option.
How does this work ?
Let's say I spend the $1700 and buy PPP3 no-cat. I go to install with the remaining components, and use the factory downpipe? In that case what is the solution suggested by Prodrive for the EGT sensor?
Or will there be a no-cat downpipe in the PPP3 kit, with the EGT sensor bung in it? Possibly a slightly higher power output this way?
In either of these 2 cases I would like to know if the map is identical with the "regular" PPP3.
Thank you,
Vlad

I am also interested in the no cat setup. It sounds as if there is a catless downpipe option unless prodrive as manufactured a center pipe with the high flow metal substrate cat Simon referred to. Do tell Simon....

Also Simon, how would the PPP's react to other bolt on modifications? Specifically, a silicon turbo inlet (ie AVO, Samco etc.) or short ram or cold-air intakes?

If you read Simon's posts above, the pricing is not final yet. I'm sure you will hear about new prices in the vendor's forum if/when it becomes final.I read it as "the upgrade prices are TBD, but the outright purchase prices are set". New pricing for up-grade's is still TBD, the new PPP pricing - $999 for a PPP2, $1700 for PPP3 (without cat) and $1900 for PPP3 (with cat) is for "out-right purchase" i.e. from stock not an up-grade.Personally, I'm eager to hear the new upgrade price.

Hi Guys

I'll try an answer all these in some kind of order! The "no-cat" option has been in existence for some time but not offered before now. It's not complex, you can buy the PPP3 with or without a high flow metal substrate cat in the down pipe, with the cat it's $1900, without it's $1700. You still get the down-pipe it's just got no cat in it!

Power output does not change, as we've said many times the Prodrive cat / down-pipe design does not impact power, in fact in direct back to back testing the catted down-pipe give more power than some vendors cat-free down-pipes!

As to "other mods" this depends on what the mod is, most have some kind of effect (kind of pointless fitting something unless it has an effect!) I'll say straight up that short ram's, or indeed any system that leaves the filter or the intake to the filter in the engine bay is a bad bad thing, our testing with a short ram has shown intake temps as high as 90degC (23degC ambient day) in "stop-start" traffic but the really scary bit was taking the car up to 90 - 100mph and seeing the intake unable to get below 60decC!!!! On the dyno we had to make a cardboard shield round the filter and then put a fan on top to force ambient air around it, otherwise we were seeing 50degC just sitting there with the hood up and the dyno fans running (closing the hood forced the temp up to +60degC again)

A cold air intake can have a positive effect, however I would urge caution using one with a PPP3 as they can effect the AFR, they can also cause boost spiking or possibly slight surge, the silicone inlet pipe can have the same effect. The cheap silicone inlet pipes are too soft, these deform and reduce boost at higher rpm's. Using an STi intercooler is a good mod, one that I would recommend, we're using one on our PPP4 and it's very effective but you MUST use the full STi scoop AND the scoop internals otherwise your wasting your money - An un-ducted top mount does not work well.

The "outright buy" pricing is: -
PPP2 $999
PPP3 (with cat in down-pipe) $1900
PPP3 (cat-less) $1700

The "up-grade" pricing is: -
PPP2 - PPP3 (with cat in down-pipe) $999
PPP2 - PPP3 (cat-less) $750

Cheers

Simon

Hi Guys

Using an STi intercooler is a good mod, one that I would recommend, we're using one on our PPP4 and it's very effective but you MUST use the full STi scoop AND the scoop internals otherwise your wasting your money - An un-ducted top mount does not work well.

Cheers

Simon

w00t! And I thought my V7 top mount was "only fo decorashun" - BTW I have a V7 scoop and the RA aluminum shroud/seal with water spray nozzle and my spray tank is mounted in the trunk just like a US STi.

Simon, you've been posting a lot lately, which is good. But I'm concerned that you don't have enough to keep you busy there at prodrive, so I think you should come get my car sorted for SOLO 2 this season.

Thanks for the reply Simon, its really nice to be able to get this sort of information so easily from the source rather than a vendor. Thanks again.

Hi Guys

Nice to read some good thought / feelings about PPP's! To the chap who's just fitted his, make sure you put the new jet in, it's important

About PPP4, we have done a couple of iterations of PPP4, one has been running for about 30k miles on Dan's car (dan@prodrive.com) with no problems (and I mean NO problems, he's still on stock original clutch and transmission) and it's only ever seen 91 pump gas and will eat a stock STi :)

Current spec is - turbo, full exhaust, up-pipe, injectors, pump, intercooler, intercooler pipe, intake, zip tube, scoop and scoop internals

We have not made the decision to supply it yet, we are concerned about warranty issues (clutch and transmission) as some US Impreza drivers seem to have clutch / transmission problems with almost stock cars we feel that PPP4 might be too much for them. We also feel that PPP4 may not be a "100,000 mile solution" to explain everything we sell is from the point of NOT effecting your warranty (even if it's not officially covered). The PPP4 pushes this envelope and may not be 100,000 mile safe, we have to consider our position on this as it's a new area for us.

Assuming all the points get covered we may offer it as an up-grade path to PPP3 owners or something like that, the one final issue is cost of course but we're working on that.

Cheers

Simon

simon@prodrive.com

Any updates on the PPP4 or the transition Prodrive is undergoing here in the U.S?

I'm bumping this to find out if there is any updates on:

1) Prodrive's reorganization
2) The proposed change to the ECU-tek key
3) The next iteration of the PPP tuning
4) Stage 4 (if not full stage 4, what about selected parts like intercooler?)

I think Dan is working hard to get their place up and running. You can e-mail and he will respond, but it may take him a little while.

2 and 3 I have no idea.

PPP4 - Simon mentioned in another thread that they have the "prototype" on Dan's car and it is a 12 sec car. He did say that the setup was not as safe as they would like, though. edit: (oh well - look two posts up for waht simon said)

Talk about ressurection, i gave up on this thread after my last post on the 9th. I did keep the subscriptiong though just in case.

Come on Simon, quell the uprising with some information.

Just a friendly bump to show interest :)

Last month, I contacted Simon about having him tune my car since I live 20 minutes from Prodrive USA. I e-mailed to Simon some of the components for my "Stage 4" WRX, and he told me some of the other parts I would need for the possible tune. I met Simon at the Rim rally this past weekend, and we discussed a little more about getting my car tuned; he told me I should bring my car by for evaluation. I haven't completed the actual install for my "Stage 4" WRX just yet, but hopefully, I'll have time to get to it within the next few weeks. I'm guessing my proposed setup is similar to what Dan's prototype car is running...maybe the future "PP4"?

Last month, I contacted Simon about having him tune my car since I live 20 minutes from Prodrive USA. I e-mailed to Simon some of the components for my "Stage 4" WRX, and he told me some of the other parts I would need for the possible tune. I met Simon at the Rim rally this past weekend, and we discussed a little more about getting my car tuned; he told me I should bring my car by for evaluation. I haven't completed the actual install for my "Stage 4" WRX just yet, but hopefully, I'll have time to get to it within the next few weeks. I'm guessing my proposed setup is similar to what Dan's prototype car is running...maybe the future "PP4"?

You're gonna be a happy camper.

Listen to the moderators, they know more than us. Go with Tuneable engine management, or ECUTEC.

Listen to the moderators, they know more than us. Go with Tuneable engine management, or ECUTEC.

A prodrive reflash is ECUtek based;)

Listen to the moderators, they know more than us. Go with Tuneable engine management, or ECUTEC.


BWAHAHAH, that's pretty funny stuff.

:lol: :lol:

I'm bumping this to find out if there is any updates on:

1) Prodrive's reorganization


I talked to Simon about this at the Rim of the World this weekend. Please forgive me if I am screwing up specific details, but this is what I got from our conversation:

a. Prodrive is a huge company based in England.
b. An American company contacted them some time ago to be their American branch of Prodrive, hence they became Prodrive USA. Prodrive USA was a seperate company from Prodrive.
c. Things happened and Prodrive severed their ties with Prodrive USA so Prodrive USA no longer exists.
d. From now until the earth blows up, Prodrive will be Prodrive and all thoughts of their old Prodrive USA persona are gone.

The "rebirth" of Prodrive is a very good thing in my eyes. From now on we are talking "straight to the horses mouth" with Prodrive. As well, now that they are managing the affairs here in the USA, I've noticed a HUGE reduction in prices across the board.

If you guys are looking for some input from Simon just drop him an e-mail with a link to this thread.

Regards
Dan Antonielli

any update on the unlocking the Prodrive-ECUTEK key as proposed by Simon couple of months ago ?

any update on the unlocking the Prodrive-ECUTEK key as proposed by Simon couple of months ago ?

I am back in the UK until mid July, when I return we will start to bring this in

Cheers

Simon

Thanks Simon !!

I know Dan personally and let me tell everyone Dan and Horacio are doing a great job at prodrive. About the PPP4 I have been in Dan's car and let me tell everyone whatever the price is, it's going to be well worth it. I have a stage 4 car and I want to go all prodrive now. I think the PPP4 is going to be worth the wait and I can talk about Dan's car for hours but I will not say anything more. I have seen this car race a few cars and let me just tell you, I have seen this car smash on a evo with a turbo back exhaust and a boost controller ;). So I would just like to say Dan and Horacio are doing a great thing with prodrive. Good job prodrive keep up the good work.
Kind regrads, Andrew

any update from prodrive ?
PPP4 ?
unlock ECU for ECUTEK ?

any update from prodrive ?
PPP4 ?
unlock ECU for ECUTEK ?


PPP4 general release on hold, I have no plans to change this status at this time

ECU "unlock" service, available, no cost at present.

Cheers

Simon

I like this thread!



Looking foreward to get the PPP3 very soon. reliable and fun enough for me.

I have the Prodrive PPP3 and loving it. It leaves very little to be desired in terms of the much improved driveability. The overall all quality and tunning is top notch. ENGINE RELIABILITY is uncompromised! This is why I chose Prodrive over the other companies. Prodrive rocks!

Hey Simone what do you think about the turbo inlet upgrade, aftermarket drop in filter kits in the stock box on the Prodrive PPP3? What brand would you recomend for both? thanks Drake

Simon, Whoops I spelled your name wrong. Drake

I think you're looking for Dan.

cheers

garrett

Prodrive does not recommend the turbo inlet upgrade with the ppp3 as it can affect the mapping. This is what Dan told me. When I asked.

"I have the Prodrive PPP3 and loving it."

Scooby03, What do you see for max boost in each gear w/ppp3?

It should be 19 psi.

That's interesting. I have PPP3 and on my factory boost gauge I see 17-17.5 PSI in 4th. A bit less in the other gears. Then I hooked up my OBD2 logger and it shows 18-18.2 PSI.

I asked Simon about this and he told me that 18-18.5 tapering down to 17.5 should be normal. I dynoed my car and it showed 211 WHP in 3rd and 229 FTLbs. I had some issues with the wastegate arm and I think I have it all set now, I might try to have it dynoed again.
The AFR from the dyno showed very rich, but I believe that's normal for Prodrive, from what I'm reading.
I also want to test my car for boost leaks.

Anyone know if they have anything for the MY06 WRX yet?

Anyone know if we can still get free updated reflashes from Prodrive by mail as in the past?

Mike

I am interested in 06 wrx information aswell

Looks like Prodrive already has packages available in the UK for the 06 models.
here is some info - keep in mind its the UK
http://www.subarunews.net/news/news20060405.htm

Sucks, looks like Simon stopped responding to this thread.

Just out of curiosity what exactly would unlocking the ecu accomplish???

Im havng major issues with my pp3 and im wondering if this might allow me to get the tune modified to fix them.

Scott

unfortunatelly simon is no longer w/prodrive. have you tried contacting dan?

When I used to try and contact Dan i would get...

NADA

He would say send me an email on this, so I would and then I never got a responce. I had to call and email approx 30 times over several months then more or less throw a fit before Horacio stepped in and forced Dan to take care of it.

The only problem was that the solution Dan suggested didn't work. Now im left with two Prrodrive tuned Ecu's ...no stock one to go back too. And a bunch of mods that are causing problems, and an inspection that i snuck thru with 11 months left to figure it out before I can't pass, and am forced to spend the money to re-vert back to stock or just sell the car and let it be someone elses headache.

So I emailed again (skipped dan this time and went straight to horacio), and no responce from him now, and im fed up. Their service is horrible (horacio is a decent fellow and forced things to happen but i cant deal with the issues anymore), and to be honest i regret ever going that direction. For the "premier" company they sure don't care much once you have purchased their product.

So im wondering if this "unlock" perhaps I can take it to a local ecutek tuner and have them fix the issue?

Out of choices.

S

The info I have (I have PPP3 too) is that Simon would reflash the parameters of PPP3 in a ECUTEK license as opposed to a Prodrive license. There is no way to unlock the prodrive license, only to duplicate it in Ecutek. It doesn't matter that the Prodrive "programming language" is based/identical with Ecutek.
This is bad news, if Simon left Prodrive. maybe he'll start on his own.. nice guy.
What kind of problems (other than not passing emissions) do you have with your PPP3?
Vlad

I had Simon "unlock" my ECU last year. I have not taken it to get it tuned yet, but I plan to within the next couple of months. I will let you know if i actually have and ECUtek license on there or if they just unlocked it so that it would be re-tunable.

My understanding is that is it should be reflashable by an ECUTek tuner but due to the different licensing ECUTek offers prodrive it can only be tuned by prodrive and not some other ECUTek tuner. Just prodrive.

cheers

garrett

This is what Simon said in an email a while ago.

> Chris
>
> I have now got this one sorted but I am waiting for my dongle to be
> returned, as soon as I have it I will be able to reflash your ECU (free of
> charge) to an EcuTek licence
>
> regards
>
> Simon

How long ago... and is there a way to get a hold of him now that he has moved on?

Scott

How long ago... and is there a way to get a hold of him now that he has moved on?

Scott

Scott,

Pm'ed you about your questions. Hopefully answered most of them.

Cheers,
William T. Knose Jr.
Lead Programmer
Crawford Performance / I-Speed USA