http://www.wallpaperinstaller.com/scooby/gasket.jpg

Driver's side block photo:

http://www.wallpaperinstaller.com/scooby/dunk/dunk01.jpg

Passenger's side block photo:

http://www.wallpaperinstaller.com/scooby/dunk/dunk02.jpg

I help install these on a buddy's car this weekend. They were purchased from a new NASIOC Vendor, Wired Speedlab (http://www.wiredspeed.com/index.asp). They came as pictured above. The included directions where oddly enough for a Honda B16 motor??? This is obviously a boo-boo on Hondata's part as the instructions come inside the package.

Installation was cake! This is because we had the entire intake manifold off the car. These gaskets, if you are unfamiliar with the intake layout, go between the block and the TGV assembly. The thickness of these gaskets as measure by a micrometer is .130 inch. To the eye, they are about 1/8" thick or a touch thicker. The purpose of the gaskets is to prevent heat transfer from the engine block to the intake manifold. My buddy and I came to the agreement that it really, really made sense to combine this mod with the coolant bypass mod on the throttle body, which we did as well. No sense having the coolant heat things up when you are trying to combat this with these gaskets.

I am of the opinion that you could put these on without removing the intake/TGV assembly. It would require removing the 8 bolts that hold the TGV assembly to the block. Then you would pry up the TGV/manifold up 1/2" or so to remove the old gaskets and install the new ones. You would want to exercise extreme caution that you did not mar the mating surfaces though. The new gaskets may also require some slight work getting them to fit as there are 2 little holding tabs they fit over. I think this way of installation is possible, but am not 100% sure.

The car should be up and running in a week or two. As to any gains, etc., it will be hard pressed to tell as at the same time the manifold was off we ported the throttle body, bored out the TGVs, and will be also installing an upgraded radiator. With all these mods/installs the gaskets effects may get lost in the shuffle.

Another happy hondata and Wired Speedlab customer. Thumbs up for the install write up and product review.

your right you can install the gasket without taking off the entire intake manifold. i did it on my rs

does anyone know if these will fit on the RS? (2.5 n/a engine) if they do...im ordering a set!

Trying to find out for you .. sent PM.

does anyone know if these will fit on the RS? (2.5 n/a engine) if they do...im ordering a set!
Ditto

Ditto

heres all ive got...and no confirmation, if has any connection at the dealer it would be helpful :)

http://www.subaruparts.com/diag/?model=5A&year=2002&style=WRX&body=sedan&scn=0&category=050-1
says
The part number for the intake manifold gasket can be seen to be 14035 for the 2002 WRX
14035AA421 at bottom it says fits 205
http://www.subaruparts.com/diag/?model=5A&year=2002&style=RS&body=sedan&scn=0&category=050-1

14035 there too... at bottom it says fits 251
but when added to cart:
14035AA383

are they different...i dunno

I guess the only way to know for sure is to get a set of gaskets and match them up to the Hondata parts.

Funny that Hondata has no interest in figuring this out for themselves. :confused:

I guess the only way to know for sure is to get a set of gaskets and match them up to the Hondata parts.

Funny that Hondata has no interest in figuring this out for themselves. :confused:

no kidding...its frustrating, they are like why dont u call your dealership and check. of course my dealership has no idea.

Jejunum - You have first dibs on this ...

I'll send a set to whoever wants to try it out and report back to us. Just pay shipping. If it works ... free mod, if it doesn't you can send it back or give it to someone who has a WRX.

Let me know

Kyle

www.wiredspeed.com

Cripes!!! Talk about a Vendor supporting their products! :eek: times eleventy billion

<-- this thread rocks, bump

Jejunum - You have first dibs on this ...

I'll send a set to whoever wants to try it out and report back to us. Just pay shipping. If it works ... free mod, if it doesn't you can send it back or give it to someone who has a WRX.

Let me know

Kyle

www.wiredspeed.com

definaetly, you rule. how should i order? edit: if i can pay for like expediated shipping i may be able to try getting them on this weekend.
edit: your website is having some problems? it only loads sometimes? (not a critisism, just thought you should know)

Jejunum -- just saw you are in Cinci ... come pick it up :)

I have one left in stock. Getting more tomorrow.

Kyle

Jejunum -- just saw you are in Cinci ... come pick it up :)

I have one left in stock. Getting more tomorrow.

Kyle


heh, yah id like to but im stuck at work & school all day every day- until the weekend atleast. i paypalled you, think ill get em by this weekend?
veryyyy excited! :banana:

you should have it tomorrow. Shipped today.

Too bad we didn't do this yesterday, I was in Cinci last night, I could have dropped it off.

Anyways .. good luck with the install, let us know how it goes.

Kyle

exciting news for RS owners. Hondata WRX spacers fit!

the gaskets fit great. I had help from local nasiocers installing it. The guides arent exactly the same as the stock gaskets, but bolts line up perfectly.

Suggestions for RS owners:
Dont take the entire intake manifold off. there is no reason!
Remove the bolts on the intake manifold, and anything else that is holding the manifold tightly down. (for instance on the passenger side we removed the power steering line). Once the manifold is loosened, slide the old gasket out and slide the new ones in. Use the bolts to allign the gasket appropriately.
Check the tightens after driving on it. I felt like the bolts loosened up a little.
Reset the ECU. I had a way high idle (and was worried it was an air leak). After reseting the ECU & retightening (as in I dont know which solved it), the high idle went away.

Its an easy install (<1 hr). The difference in intake manifold temperature is tremendous. Prior to the gaskets after driving around the manifold was too hot to touch. Now the manifold is just warm.


Thanks to wiredspeed.com for making this test fit possible. RS owners should take note of his commitment to supporting the N/A community.

Thanks for the review. Glad they work!

Kyle

anymore reviews guys?

I installed the Hondata gaskets and a Ver7 manifold a couple of days ago. I didn't really notice a difference in performance and the manifold felt a little bit cooler. Personally I wouldn't bother doing these gaskets unless you have the patience. Since I was replacing my manifold I said what the hell and threw them on.-Ben

Also, www.nextgearinc.com sells their own brand of intake manifold gaskets as well.. they are the same price as the Hondatas ($60) .. Glad to hear someone's done the mod before I did it =)

Jay

i'll prolly do it if i ever take the manifold off.

so...the benefit of this gasket is...?

here...


The purpose of the gaskets is to prevent heat transfer from the engine block to the intake manifold.

Yes, it helps give you a colder intake charge. Not anything substaintial, but it all adds up with other power mods. $60 for peace of mind your car is getting cooler air on the intake side over a stock WRX that just might put you in the lead over another. =)

Jay

It definately keeps the manifold cool. It almost as cold as my front mount after driving and stays cool for a mins at idle. I upgraded my turbo/ported tgv's at the same time, so I can't say I gained anything, but I did make 304whp on vf30, with boost tapering abnormally early.

sweet, Ill definatly have to add this to my mod list.

anyone else install these???

bump for more reviews

Got some comming tomorrow, will install on saturday. I'll post my review!

Would these work with TGV deletes from a Ver 7? I plan to do these and a perrin inlet hose at the same time?

I'd think so...

I got them in and the verdict....

They work! Sure it's a pain to install but if you already are taking off the manifold, might as well do it! I drove the car home from jacksonville to Tallahassee, (about 3hrs) got to my garage imediately popped the hood and felt the manifold, it was DEFINATELY cooler, I could rest my hand on it, it does heat up as the heat transfers from the air around it but you can definately tell it's doing it's thing!

Funny that Hondata has no interest in figuring this out for themselves. :confused:

As a former Hondata tuner, and registered distributor, I can honestly say that Hondata has the WORST customer service ever. It's guys like Wiredspeedlab who need our support, since they're figuring it out for us.

With that said, I've done a lot of these installs on the Honda side. On average, I would see intake air temperature drops of around 6-10 degrees/f on NA applications, and upwards of 12-15 degrees/f on boosted applications. These are definately a great idea, and a good product.

thanks for the information

This looks interesting.

So this is some kind of delrin/plastic material?

What I like to know is, anyone have it on their car notice any negative effect from it? Notice any leak?

Thanks :)

yes, its a plastic gasket basically... kinda like a teflon gasket.. albeit a thick one.

Works very well... I used one in my Turbo Civic Si.

yes, its a plastic gasket basically... kinda like a teflon gasket.. albeit a thick one.

Works very well... I used one in my Turbo Civic Si.

Hey thanks for the input!

I probably going to put a set on my car!

Unabomber......do you have any thread that talks about the the coolant bypass mod on the throttle body?

Thanks ;)

This looks interesting.

So this is some kind of delrin/plastic material?

What I like to know is, anyone have it on their car notice any negative effect from it? Notice any leak?

Thanks :)

Yup blue plastic, it works very well and I've had no problems, just be sure to retorque your manifold after a few hundred miles...

Unabomber......do you have any thread that talks about the the coolant bypass mod on the throttle body?

Thanks ;)

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3688&highlight=throttle+body
It looks like that one's for an RS, but the hoses on the throttle body are the same. :)

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3688&highlight=throttle+body
It looks like that one's for an RS, but the hoses on the throttle body are the same. :)

Thank you so much, I really appreciate it ;)

Yup blue plastic, it works very well and I've had no problems, just be sure to retorque your manifold after a few hundred miles...

Thanks a lot for your input ;)

I just installed these on MY car (the initial write up was about ones going on a buddy's car) finally while doing the TGV deletes. While the manifold stays cooler at speeds, it heats up quick when in stop and go. After seeing and thinking about the OEM gaskets I scraped off, they are better. The stock gaskets or "phenoicish" as they are thin, thin cardboard like material. While they SUCK in comparison to the Hondatas, you can tell that Subaru engineers put SOME heat isolation thoughts into their design. I'd probably say that these are one of those things like synthetic oil. They might not do much, but you like having them.

Unabomber.........thank you for the additional thoughts and inputs!

I just installed these on MY car (the initial write up was about ones going on a buddy's car) finally while doing the TGV deletes. While the manifold stays cooler at speeds, it heats up quick when in stop and go. After seeing and thinking about the OEM gaskets I scraped off, they are better. The stock gaskets or "phenoicish" as they are thin, thin cardboard like material. While they SUCK in comparison to the Hondatas, you can tell that Subaru engineers put SOME heat isolation thoughts into their design. I'd probably say that these are one of those things like synthetic oil. They might not do much, but you like having them.

Kewl! I wonder about just stacking them right on top of the stock gaskets..?!?

Did you come to a conclusion on shortcutting the installation--can it be done without pulling the whole intake manifold, like you speculated in an earlier post?

I've definitely noticed a lot of heat-rise from the block, right into the manifold!

Kewl! I wonder about just stacking them right on top of the stock gaskets..?!?

Did you come to a conclusion on shortcutting the installation--can it be done without pulling the whole intake manifold, like you speculated in an earlier post?

I've definitely noticed a lot of heat-rise from the block, right into the manifold!

its definately possible on an RS...remove power steering line and a couple of other hinderances. be sure to do it when the engine is cold :)

I was looking at these Hondata ones and the NextGear ones last week.... are they actually Phenolic??? I understand that it's often termed that when referring to a gasket which is made for the purpose of blocking heat transfer, but Phenolic is a specific manufacturing process and is usually extremely expensive.

The reason I ask is because we've had true Phenolic spacers in testing for about two months now... I didn't think anybody else was offering them cut specifically for the Subaru engines. Our Phenolic spacers look totally different from the two spacers offered by Hondata and NextGear... the material looks different... You can tell that it's made like:

Phenolic sheet is a hard, dense material made by applying heat and pressure to layers of paper or glass cloth impregnated with synthetic resin. These layers of laminations are usually of cellulose paper, cotton fabrics, synthetic yarn fabrics, glass fabrics or unwoven fabrics.
With ours you can literally see the fibers and can tell that it was made from multiple layers. It's not solid plastic.

Anyway, they'll be on the site soon when our testing is done. We're getting before-and-after temperature data from the intake manifold and throttle body, of course.

However....... our cost is higher than what those guys are selling their spacers for... maybe we'll drop the idea unless you lads would spend $99 shipped for ours.

We'll have to find out if there's a legit difference!!!!

Jeremy
Crucial Racing Systems (www.crucialracing.com/products/index.php)

I was looking at these Hondata ones and the NextGear ones last week.... are they actually Phenolic??? I understand that it's often termed that when referring to a gasket which is made for the purpose of blocking heat transfer, but Phenolic is a specific manufacturing process and is usually extremely expensive.

The reason I ask is because we've had true Phenolic spacers in testing for about two months now... I didn't think anybody else was offering them cut specifically for the Subaru engines. Our Phenolic spacers look totally different from the two spacers offered by Hondata and NextGear... the material looks different... You can tell that it's made like:


With ours you can literally see the fibers and can tell that it was made from multiple layers. It's not solid plastic.

Anyway, they'll be on the site soon when our testing is done. We're getting before-and-after temperature data from the intake manifold and throttle body, of course.

However....... our cost is higher than what those guys are selling their spacers for... maybe we'll drop the idea unless you lads would spend $99 shipped for ours.

We'll have to find out if there's a legit difference!!!!

Jeremy
Crucial Racing Systems (www.crucialracing.com/products/index.php)

Why not go to the source:

http://www.hondata.com/heatshieldgasket.html

Also, isn't there such a thing as a phenolic coating which can be applied to materials to give them phenolic properties?

Phenolics are usually made by taking fiberglass, E-glass, or carbon/kevlar cloth, wetting it with some kind of resin (usually epoxy-based) and compressing it as it cures with 100,000 lbs of force which changes the molecular structure into something that is 10 times stronger. I once had to cut a piece of 1/4" G10 (military grade fiberglass). Every three inches I had to change the blade on my jigsaw - they became smooth and purple faster than anything else!

Phenolics have great insulation properties, but I think you can find other materials now that offer even better insulation properties, and are way easier to work with. Probably the material costs are higher than phenolics, but the machining costs are lower. And thicker is better; you'll never be able to duplicate a 1/2" barrier with an aerosol spray!

^^^ yes, the glass fibers and resin w/ high pressure is how ours are made. They are then CNC cut on a waterjet machine so saw blades and machining costs aren't a big issue :). ...still takes some time for them to cut though...

I didn't see the mention of "phenolic" anywhere on the other sites http://www.wrxfanatics.com/html/emoticons/iono.gif... hopefully the data we gather will be enough to prove the validity of our spacers and the price difference.

Jeremy

I have the Hondata gaskets on my car and they definitely dropped intake temps by quite a bit. I noticed that the EGT's were slightly lower as well. Definitely worth the money if you have the intake manifold off already.

-Matt

I am certain the Hondata gaskets are NOT phenolic. I have them on my car but have never quantified cooler intake temps because my car was a constant test platform for Crucial (before I sold the company to Jer who does the company proud).

That being said, phenolic is a much better material choice in this application. I's a great insulator.

I used a 3/4" thick phenolic spacer on my previous car briefly. It worked.

The material looks like some sort of fiberglass and plastic composite. It also almost has a semi-translucent look, like marble. The surface is very hard, the structure is very stiff, and it is very lightweight.

I'd love for someone to come up with a complete TGV delete made out of this stuff.

Whoa... What've i done? :huh:

:D I have faith the Crucial Racing gaskets will be as good as if not better than the Hondata ones.

I was looking at these Hondata ones and the NextGear ones last week.... are they actually Phenolic??? I understand that it's often termed that when referring to a gasket which is made for the purpose of blocking heat transfer, but Phenolic is a specific manufacturing process and is usually extremely expensive.

Just looking at the pics, they look like delrin to me...no idea if delrin even works at that temp range, tho...and they definitely don't look like any phenolic I've seen.

Has anybody heard about the gaskets from Crucial yet? They're still listed as "coming soon" on their site. :(

We've got 'em, they're just not pretty. We are having them cut with a water jet and it separates the layers of phenolic in a couple of places and it's not aesthetically pleasing. They still work perfectly fine but I'm positive people will complain and even if they don't, it's not the appearance we want for one of our products.

We've been working on getting them cut in a different manner, CNC'd, whatever etc, but have been sooooooo busy with other projects recently and just the day-to-day shipping orders (tax return season keeps all of us car parts people running around ;) ) that we haven't gotten to it at all yet. We will though, I promise :).

Jeremy

We've got 'em, they're just not pretty. We are having them cut with a water jet and it separates the layers of phenolic in a couple of places and it's not aesthetically pleasing. They still work perfectly fine but I'm positive people will complain and even if they don't, it's not the appearance we want for one of our products.

We've been working on getting them cut in a different manner, CNC'd, whatever etc, but have been sooooooo busy with other projects recently and just the day-to-day shipping orders (tax return season keeps all of us car parts people running around ;) ) that we haven't gotten to it at all yet. We will though, I promise :).

Jeremy
I just installed the phenolic gaskets, that I bought from Crucial Racing, and they work great :D.

Also-Crucial Racing, please check your PM's, and leave me a feedback too :D.

I just installed the phenolic gaskets, that I bought from Crucial Racing, and they work great :D.

Also-Crucial Racing, please check your PM's, and leave me a feedback too :D.


i'm sorry but how do you know they work great? not bashing i'd jus like to know.

Well isn't the point of these to lower the intake air temp, and I can feel the difference. After letting the car idle for a half an hour(I was curing the coating on my p&p exhaust manifold) I could hold my hand on the intake maniflod and feel it was a good amount cooler; where as before I had them I could barely touch it without burning my hand :p. No hard facts, just my observation.

We've got them on a few cars with various data. They're not ready yet though, so we're not ready to share :p

We've got them on a few cars with various data. They're not ready yet though, so we're not ready to share :p

well damnit let me know when they're ready!! :lol: how much these gonna be roughly?

So these are spacers added on top of, below, or sandwich between OEM gasket?

Yeah they are just spacers, not gaskets. The Phenolic is extremely hard and smooth, so we recommend that an OEM gasket be run on either side of the spacer to ensure a full seal. We're also working on getting the spacers coated in a rubber like the OEM gasket is, allowing them to work as both a spacer and a gasket all in one, which would obviously be convenient :)

wired speedlab link doesn't work...where can I get these?

Yeah they are just spacers, not gaskets. The Phenolic is extremely hard and smooth, so we recommend that an OEM gasket be run on either side of the spacer to ensure a full seal. We're also working on getting the spacers coated in a rubber like the OEM gasket is, allowing them to work as both a spacer and a gasket all in one, which would obviously be convenient :)


I will be keeping an eye out for when you do put out the final product. Patience can be rewarding :D

....... our cost is higher than what those guys are selling their spacers for... maybe we'll drop the idea unless you lads would spend $99 shipped for ours.

We'll have to find out if there's a legit difference!!!!

Jeremy
Crucial Racing Systems (www.crucialracing.com/products/index.php)

If you can show better results, I'm sure we'll run to them, if it can be done without removing the manifold......Hondata likes to say there's a 10C difference, but looking at their site it looks more like 5C (1-2% diff in air density), if that, when the throttle is open. Wonder if putting an insulating gasked on both sides of the TGV's would make a difference as well.

Well just as an update, the cost will actually be less than my original estimate so no worries. Looks like they'll be competitive.

You can do them without fully removing the manifold. You'll have to unbolt it from the block and lift each end up high enough to put the spacer under with a new OEM gasket on either side of it, then bolt it back down. Luckily this is doable without disconnecting all of the vacuum lines and whatnot, but I haven't messed with my intake manifold in nearly a year so I don't recall if this would require you moving the PS pump to have access or if the green brackets of death would be an issue for people who still have them on their cars, etc.

...remains to be seen... that info will be ready whenever we actually get temperature data ready. I don't think I'm going to be tapping the intake manifold to measure air temperatures, unfortunately, but it will be very easy to measure surface temperatures with an infrared thermometer so that will be a good starting place to judge how much heat transfer from the cylinder heads into the IM is being blocked.

And sorry to say this project was very much on the back burner for the past few months. We have so much else going on plus we're moving into a large shop, etc, that it's just been too crazy. All of the prototypes functioned 100% in terms of installing fine and not causing any sort of issues, etc, but we don't have data yet and they're still not very aesthetically pleasing. That's the next thing to work on and once that's solved they'll be for sale.

I bought some ebay cheapo one...it looks like a sheet of plasic

Well just as an update, the cost will actually be less than my original estimate so no worries. Looks like they'll be competitive.

You can do them without fully removing the manifold. You'll have to unbolt it from the block and lift each end up high enough to put the spacer under with a new OEM gasket on either side of it, then bolt it back down. Luckily this is doable without disconnecting all of the vacuum lines and whatnot, but I haven't messed with my intake manifold in nearly a year so I don't recall if this would require you moving the PS pump to have access or if the green brackets of death would be an issue for people who still have them on their cars, etc.

...remains to be seen... that info will be ready whenever we actually get temperature data ready. I don't think I'm going to be tapping the intake manifold to measure air temperatures, unfortunately, but it will be very easy to measure surface temperatures with an infrared thermometer so that will be a good starting place to judge how much heat transfer from the cylinder heads into the IM is being blocked.

And sorry to say this project was very much on the back burner for the past few months. We have so much else going on plus we're moving into a large shop, etc, that it's just been too crazy. All of the prototypes functioned 100% in terms of installing fine and not causing any sort of issues, etc, but we don't have data yet and they're still not very aesthetically pleasing. That's the next thing to work on and once that's solved they'll be for sale.
I will test this out, I have a pair of these installed from Crucial Racing on my STi for a few months now, and we have a infrared thermometer at my work. What points should I compare temps at on the engine though? :confused:

I will test this out, I have a pair of these installed from Crucial Racing on my STi for a few months now, and we have a infrared thermometer at my work. What points should I compare temps at on the engine though? :confused:

Find an STi without spacers....

Using a pyrometer would be tough though, since it's hand operated with the hood open, lol....maybe a thermocouple mounted half the way down the runners on the respective manifolds, of course that's after the throttlebody bypass mod is done to both to prevent heat coming from the other direction. Or do it so there's three sets of data, one without the bypass, with the TB bypass, then the bypass plus the spacers.

I've heard nothing but good things about these gaskets

for testing you might even consider installing the spacers on just one side of the manifold then compare each side to see if there is a significant difference, although if they are taller than the OEM spacers that may be a prob

Well there are no OEM spacers, just extremely thin gaskets (like paper thin). The spacers are .025" thick so you might be able to get away with it but it would absolutely positively not be suggested :p

and here I thought I had a clever idea, blast. :lol:

got brand new hondata gaskets for $20 shipped damn gotta love ebay!

hey I'm curious, and I think someone asked too but I havn't seen an answer, could you put two sets on and space it even more?

Thread from the dead. I'm mulling over a few projects at once here. The phenolic intake spacers from crucial are one near-future purchase. But does anyone know if that phenolic material can withstand exhaust gas temperatures? I've found sheets online that have different ratings.

I need to slightly lengthen my up-pipe and was just curious if a spacer shaped like the exh. manifold-to-uppipe gasket would burn up? If not I'll just have one machined from steel.

One more revival. I am gonna do the TGV butterfly delete while replacing my fuel lines ( leak in cold temps ) with the IM off so might as well slap some in.
Cheapo eBay or CR?

A 2nd Revival:
OEM gasket above or below the hondata?
Or buy a 2nd set of gaskets and literally sandwich the hondata?

One more revival. I am gonna do the TGV butterfly delete while replacing my fuel lines ( leak in cold temps ) with the IM off so might as well slap some in.
Cheapo eBay or CR?
Hondata or NextGear...if you cheap ebay, it could be cheap plastic and deform/melt/not work. I ordered both the Hondata and NextGear to compare the two.

Yeahhh, still looking to see how the gaskets need to be arranged.

OEM gasket above or below the hondata?
Or buy a 2nd set of gaskets and literally sandwich the hondata?

Hondata are gaskets.

yup, thats all I used

Ours got put on the back burner for quite a while unfortunately.... I'm planning on getting cracking on them ASAP though now that we're all moved into the new shop and everything is a little less hectic.

Anyway, we still need to do some more testing but I thought I would mention that we will probably be recommending an OEM gasket on either side of our phenolic spacer. Because... it's a spacer, not a gasket. The real phenolic material that we use is extremely hard and we just don't see it functioning as a sealing surface very well... at least not with the super super light torque spec (it's like 5 to 7 ft lbs or something, IIRC w/out consulting the manual) that holds the TGVs to the heads. The factory gaskets are super thin metal with a thin layer of rubber on either side so they definitely seal well, and seal fully even at those light torque specs. So unless our testing shows that they truly do seal 101% without gaskets, I think to be safe there's absolutely no reason not to run an OEM gasket on either side of the spacer.... the material is just too hard, torque spec too light, and with people running 24+ psi we'd rather see a sticky gasket in there...

Jeremy

anyone else running hondata gaskets - are they holding up?

mine are fine, I reused them when I took the manifold off, they look good I there there are over 50k miles on them..

good deal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bought a pair for my 98 RS DOHC... 3 months later (when installing them) I figured out these are for the wrx/rs SOHC ej25 heads ...
can anyone confirm this ?

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i152/illnastyimpreza/0612071017.jpg

i wonder how much of a temperature difference these make over the "true" phenolic gaskets

I bought a pair for my 98 RS DOHC... 3 months later (when installing them) I figured out these are for the wrx/rs SOHC ej25 heads ...
can anyone confirm this ?

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i152/illnastyimpreza/0612071017.jpg


the ones you bought are for the 02+ turbo models not the 98 dohc.

there isnt much out there for real phenolic spacers for the 93-01 engines... we are in the process of making some soon though(including your model).

ok so anyone wana buy some brand new 02+ wrx phenolic spacers?? ...on da cheap ? :)

I have a Hondata gasket on my Type-R powered Civic and the intake manifold is cool to the touch when I get home from work and pop the hood. That is with 30 minutes of driving and occasional stop lights. It will heat soak, but it takes the engine (shut off and parked) about ten minutes before it gets hot to the touch. With this mod I have disconnected the coolant lines going to the throttle. It is really impressive how cool it really gets! If I buy a laser thermometer, I will post stats on the temps of parts and times.

Bump from the dead.

I picked up a set of hondata spacers for cheap and want to put them in. Did any of you use stock gaskets with the Hondata's, or no. Curious. Thanks.

And Crucial, if you read this, are yours out yet? Will have to google it.

no, and yes crucials are out...