Just got off the dyno.... 410 AWHp and 419ftlbs on pump gas @24psi

utec
Green
Headers
Turbo Back
PE 850s
PE BIG MAF

Should be at the track tomorrow to stop on some EVOs..lol...
Sheets to come soon.

What's the car look like - I'll keep my eyes open for it.

Kevin

Whats your wastegate setup like? Is 24psi safe on our engines w/o forged(instead of cast) pistons and other forged internals? What kind of dyno did you run it on? Also, what octane?

junior gave me a ride on that monster STI :eek: car pulls really strong and sounds good.. well my next turbo will be the fp green :banana:

c16 pleaaase..

Good job Junior..

gonna need a new clutch soon for that smokin' whip:D

gonna need a new clutch soon for that smokin' whip:D

Got the clutch already :D

My car, not the silver one. ;)

The car is obscene. Junior is the man!!!!!!!

It was a little trouble for a while there but the car is just plain sick.

The 44mm Tial gate is NO JOKE. Sounds like an explosion going off under the car :lol:

Damn I know some clown with way more mods that hasnt come close to making power like that.

Well done!

~v6

This is a diffrent car I just finished today. Its Blue, looks stock just the Perrin FMIC.
Running a TurboTrix Extrenal setup. Tial 44mm Wastegate GtSpec Up-Pipe
I was running Sunoco 93oct, and it was on a DynoJet(magic dyno)
As far as running that boost on pump gas on a stock motor, I think its ok.. I have run near that boost on a stock 2.0 for over a year with no problems. Car had over 30k on it when it was parted out. Thats all I will say about it though...

This is a diffrent car I just finished today. Its Blue, looks stock just the Perrin FMIC.
Running a TurboTrix Extrenal setup. Tial 44mm Wastegate GtSpec Up-Pipe
I was running Sunoco 93oct, and it was on a DynoJet(magic dyno)
As far as running that boost on pump gas on a stock motor, I think its ok.. I have run near that boost on a stock 2.0 for over a year with no problems. Car had over 30k on it when it was parted out. Thats all I will say about it though...

I may suck an evo through that perrin tomorrow at E town. :disco:

The 44mm Tial gate is NO JOKE. Sounds like an explosion going off under the car :lol:

I know what you are saying. Great job! See ya at E-town!! :disco:

Details on this external setup...is it basically just the GT Spec uppipe with a w/g flange welded on? I'd like to look into getting an ext. w/g when I go to a green or superzilla, and I'd be interested to know if you guys sell pre-fab up pipes with w/g.

Awesome numbers, I'm sure you'll give at least one or two of those evo's a run for their money :devil:

wow, are those the only mods? it's nice to know the formula to 400whp is so simple (with a good tune of course).

i told myself i wasn't going to go crazy on this car but you guys are killing me!! :)

Its all the tune guys.

I've seen so many people with the same shtuff as me stuck around the 380s.

It took a good few hours to dial it in right and extract every ounce of power but the car is smooth as glass and an animal.

I am actually afraid of it a little right now.

how does that dyno compared to other..low? high?.. cant wait to see some number im pushin around the same hp and havent been to the track yet..very excited ..cant wait..

pics pls

You know, my car isn't setup too differently than this one, but I've got the integral WG on the Green.

I've been idly trying to research extWG's lately, but now I think I'm going to ramp-up my learning.:)

Anyone wanna help me get started? (Why do I have the feeling that Hotrod is going to give me a hand like usual?:D ...not that I'd mind.)

Are upgraded fuel rails required when running the bigger injectors and turbo?

dont need it im using my stock rail with my pe850cc ;)

So the PE850's are dropin OEM style side mounts?

So the PE850's are dropin OEM style side mounts?Yes they are....

Rick

I will try to take photos this weekend for you guys.

I dont have a scanner to post the dyno graph.

awesome numbers dude. hopefully ill see your car tomorrow at the track. represent njguido to the fullest lol.

If not tomorrow, we'll have a meetup this next week or 2

Wish I had stuck around to see that thing on the dyno :banana: Wouldn't have made it to E town for testing if I did tho :(

Should be at the track tomorrow to stop on some EVOs..lol...
Sheets to come soon.
:lol: Hell yeah! :devil:

Absolutely wild numbers!! Was the "green" externally or internally gated??

Drr... Just read back through the thread and saw that it is a 44mm Tial,haha (reading comprehension owns me):rolleyes:

LMFAO hahahahaa

just another 400whp sti that runs 13's or high 12's and breaks something...


you woudl have gotten owned as well sat :disco:

good luck with the car though seriously, the subbie community needs it

kevin

just another 400whp sti that runs 13's or high 12's and breaks something...


you woudl have gotten owned as well sat :disco:

good luck with the car though seriously, the subbie community needs it

kevin
I saw carguyx's ride gettin worked on. Wish he woulda made it cause the only way he would have done a 13 is if he broke an axle:lol:

Car is serious :devil:

blubyou2,
I guess you have seen many a 400+whp sti run 13s or high 12's at the track, eh?? Quit trying to push people's buttons over here. Go troll elsewhere!

just another 400whp sti that runs 13's or high 12's and breaks something...


you woudl have gotten owned as well sat :disco:

good luck with the car though seriously, the subbie community needs it

kevin

When you make some sort of accomplishment then post, till then you are just another 400whp evo running 12's.. Sucks when guys like my friend are tearing you up with a stock turbo, and even trapped the same as you..
Rj, he cant troll eslewhere he is already banned from Evom on all 8 of his screen names..

When you make some sort of accomplishment then post, till then you are just another 400whp evo running 12's.. Sucks when guys like my friend are tearing you up with a stock turbo, and even trapped the same as you..
Rj, he cant troll eslewhere he is already banned from Evom on all 8 of his screen names..Good post. blubyou2 is a troll.

just another 400whp sti that runs 13's or high 12's and breaks something...


you woudl have gotten owned as well sat :disco:

good luck with the car though seriously, the subbie community needs it

kevin

If you have some $$$$ to put up, I bet my car will run faster then yours and not break. :disco:

just another 400whp sti that runs 13's or high 12's and breaks something...


you woudl have gotten owned as well sat :disco:

good luck with the car though seriously, the subbie community needs it

kevin


how much moeny do you have in your 12 sec eveslow?

What about in dynoflushes alone?

Yea S T F U and get outa here already! You are NOONE!!!!!!!! Tired of all you Evo owners talking **** when 99% of you cant back it up! :furious:

so take your "drag setup" 12 second POS eveslow and go to a different forum. Maybe SRT4 owners will like you cuz noone here does!

ERIK

people dont understand that the evo came with a bigger turbo with a smaller displacement.. not like our cars it came with a small turbo.. even my pe1820 is small.. dont want to sound cocky but i've ran an evo with intake, dp, cat delete, exhaust, injectors, fuel pump, ecu reflashed, hks cams and alittle more boost.. we ran 60 till 145mph and i pulled 1 1/2 car.. he was a cocky guy saying he can beat any sti.. but after we ran i shut him up.. he ran a 12.4@112 at etown anyways ;)

1/4 mile drag racing is 60% car and 40% driver...... for example.....

I have been building and driving, 87-93 mustangs since I am 16yrs old (I had 11 of them personally) I went to the track with a friend that bought my last car I put together, he couldnt get the car to go faster then 12.10 in the 1/4, my 1st pass in the car with a street drag radial was 10.85,

the STI's and WRX's are very hard to get to go consistantly in my opinion, where I think the evos are easier to drive in a staright line and be more consistant.

Give me any 2 identically equipped cars and 99 times out of 100 I can beat the other driver quarter mile wise at least.

Can we get back to the topic of someone modifying their up pipe for an external WG, or do I have to move the selector switch on my M-4 carbine to SEMI, and start beating everyone up??? (Laughing!!)

More info on the set-up!! Do you just have to tack weld the internal WG closed? Boost controller required?? Details please!!!

junior is the man when it comes to tuning...he deserves the credit which he hasnt gotten from countless people running awesome times. Nice numbers, when you get that better clutch in your car will be a beast

So whats up carguyx.... wanna do a 60-160 pull ???
I love spanking cars that Junior tunes :lol:

kevins car was running 12.1@116 with all the bolts holding the turbo to the manifold loose and leaking majorly, thus only running 12.1 with 412whp......we sent the turbo out this morning and hes next day sending him the gt35r kit!!!!!!!!!!

say goodnight.......well the stis already did sat! lol

1/4 mile drag racing is 60% car and 40% driver...... for example.....

------------------------------------------------------------------------

the STI's and WRX's are very hard to get to go consistantly in my opinion, where I think the evos are easier to drive in a staright line and be more consistant.

.
My last 3 runs
12.580@108.58
12.517@109.25
12.581@108.38
Pretty consistent but I want my damn 12.4 untuned :rolleyes:

junior is the man when it comes to tuning...he deserves the credit which he hasnt gotten from countless people running awesome times. Nice numbers, when you get that better clutch in your car will be a beast
Junior is one of the best tuners for utec on the whole east coast, and a good friend of mine. I wouldnt trust anyone else.

PS my clutch is in M3!!!

Junior is one of the best tuners for utec on the whole east coast, and a good friend of mine. I wouldnt trust anyone else.

PS my clutch is in M3!!!
Yeah I have to talk to him so we can see what to do about my tune ;)

wait, you DONT need torco?????? You mean you can just roll up to the pump and fill it up with no need to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for addatives???


Oh wait, and now I KNOW you are lieing.
Only an ECUTEK could make that kind of hp :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Just got off the dyno.... 410 AWHp and 419ftlbs on pump gas @24psi

utec
Green
Headers
Turbo Back
PE 850s
PE BIG MAF

Should be at the track tomorrow to stop on some EVOs..lol...
Sheets to come soon.

what headers are you running and have you heat wrapped them or jet-hot coated them? any increase in lag?

How are you controlling boost with that external wastegate?

I had wrap, we took it off, and it spools exactly the same RPM.
They are GTspec

I am controlling boost with a blitz sbcid III

And the results are.......?

i to would like to know exactly how to set up an external gate do you tack weld up the internal???
any info will help..

SB GT-30 -12 or green i have a decision to make


Dustin

And the results are.......?

All the results are in the 1st post of the thread :rolleyes: :confused:

how much money is invested in this
utec
Green
Headers
Turbo Back
PE 850s
PE BIG MAF
plus the other odds and ends that aren't listed?

how much money is invested in this
utec
Green
Headers
Turbo Back
PE 850s
PE BIG MAF
plus the other odds and ends that aren't listed?
Probably upwards of $5000.

Probably upwards of $5000.


More with labor and tuning. A lot more.

So what did the car run at the track?

C

All the results are in the 1st post of the thread :rolleyes: :confused:

You might try to pay a bit more attenion to that very post (1st post of the thread)...... :rolleyes:

"Should be at the track tomorrow to stop on some EVOs..lol...
Sheets to come soon."-Junior2JZ

So, I repeat....and the results are?
And I clarify...and the results from the track are?

You might try to pay a bit more attenion to that very post (1st post of the thread)...... :rolleyes:

"Should be at the track tomorrow to stop on some EVOs..lol...
Sheets to come soon."-Junior2JZ

So, I repeat....and the results are?
And I clarify...and the results from the track are?

Didnt make it to the track. I got called into work last saturday morning. I will post the times asa soon as I can get to the track.

Didnt make it to the track. I got called into work last saturday morning. I will post the times asa soon as I can get to the track.
Tell us when you think your gonna go. I'll show up at E town if ya do cause I want to see this creation make some runs :D

Maybe this Friday night.

I think the car definately has 11 sec potential, but it all depends on the driver. If you can drive, trapping around 120 should be no problem.

Maybe this Friday night.
If it don't rain and I get my new trans in I should be there. If not I may drive my 69 Camaro then :rolleyes:

Didnt make it to the track. I got called into work last saturday morning. I will post the times asa soon as I can get to the track.

Okay, I'm confused. Both you and Junior2JZ are going to the track? I was asking about Junior2JZ's track results and you said that "you" didn't get to the track. Are you guys talking about the same car?

I hope you do well. I saw you're satement that you could run 11.9 with your eyes closed...or something to that effect. I personally think that should be true. But I have to ask, your 11.30-11.50 prediction, is that on 93 octane and full interior? I also have to say that you have bualz to run 24psi on 93. I'm chicken and staying under 22. :alien:

Junior was driving a Silver STi and Carguyx's is a Blue one.

I am running 23 psi on pump, well it's not at 23 for very long :lol:

Okay, I'm confused. Both you and Junior2JZ are going to the track? I was asking about Junior2JZ's track results and you said that "you" didn't get to the track. Are you guys talking about the same car?

I hope you do well. I saw you're satement that you could run 11.9 with your eyes closed...or something to that effect. I personally think that should be true. But I have to ask, your 11.30-11.50 prediction, is that on 93 octane and full interior? I also have to say that you have bualz to run 24psi on 93. I'm chicken and staying under 22. :alien:

Its all in the tune man.

I've drag raced my whole life and in driving the car its an 11.50 ish car all day long.

I just finished my 1 st full tank of 94 octane too and I got 18mpg. Not too shabby!!! :banana:

Until you've run that 11 second time, you are just another 13 second STI.

Paul

Until you've run that 11 second time, you are just another 13 second STI.

Paul
Have to miss a lot of shifts to pull a 13 with what he has ;)

Until you've run that 11 second time, you are just another 13 second STI.

Paul

Well on a stock turbo I went 12.65, so Im not "just another 13 second car"

Nice try though. Keep tweaking that internal gate and you might go fast!! :lol:

Well on a stock turbo I went 12.65, so Im not "just another 13 second car"

Nice try though. Keep tweaking that internal gate and you might go fast!! :lol:

IIRC Pavlo went 10.9 ;)

IIRC Pavlo went 10.9 ;)


yeah.. he is barking up the wrong tree. Stop the bench racing.. run an 11.30 or stop saying you will..

C

hahah, this thread is hilarious...it's the internal possee versus external gang.


*ducks for cover*

So whats up carguyx.... wanna do a 60-160 pull ???
See if the car is actually a 120+ car...
I love spanking cars that Junior tunes ;)

So whats up carguyx.... wanna do a 60-160 pull ???
See if the car is actually a 120+ car...
I love spanking cars that Junior tunes ;)

Just go to the track.. His awd car is no match for your boosted Vr6 from a roll..

Just go to the track.. His awd car is no match for your boosted Vr6 from a roll..

Why not ?? 400whp is 400whp.. and should be a 120+mph car .... My friends EVO that made 450whp trapped 124mph and from a roll ran just like a 124 car, even makes more from the 1/8th the the 1/4 then my car
I'm running 15psi on pump gas which is like 365whp.... shouldn't be much to worry about...

So whats up carguyx.... wanna do a 60-160 pull ???
See if the car is actually a 120+ car...
I love spanking cars that Junior tunes ;)

You wanna race my mustang with your VR6?? we can do that ;)

The idle might frighten you and rattle the sheetmetal off your car though. :disco:

Just go to the track.. His awd car is no match for your boosted Vr6 from a troll..

:confused:

~v6

:confused:

~v6

Why are you so confused? I am sure that Vr6 has trapped over 120 if not more like 125..

ill smoke this whole board in about a weeks time!!

please.....

You wanna race my mustang with your VR6?? we can do that ;)

The idle might frighten you and rattle the sheetmetal off your car though. :disco:

Lets go STI vs VW - 60-160mph.... Pump Gas vs Pump Gas..... your not afraid are ya ??? Junior knows my car is slow.... should have no problems waxing my ass... I just wanna have some fun...

You wanna race your mustang vs a friends honda or a friends vw ????

The guys at Design Tech can set it up with Manny.... but from what I hear your already afraid of my friends cars.....

ill smoke this whole board in about a weeks time!!

please.....

Suurrrree.. Then in a week you will have some other excuse :rolleyes:

Oh this is starting to look good :lol:

I can type 130+ wpm

tim...run my rx7 from a roll...

ill smoke this whole board in about a weeks time!!

please.....

You are obviously a lamer if you are running a BR500 and a stage 4 tune pulling 116mph and 12.1. Drive much? Or is the laminate still hot, you punk troll.

Why are you so confused? I am sure that Vr6 has trapped over 120 if not more like 125..
might want to reread that like 9 times.

tim...run my rx7 from a roll...

Hmm... who is this ?? J.D.?? you got a STI now ??

I'm game for some fun runs... I got no problems taking the Loss... hopefully your in the 120-125 trap range so it's atleast some what even...

Lemme know when you wanna go...

i miss my VR6's rumble borla + no cat = orgaism @ WOT
what is you name on the tex itsukiVR6?

i miss my VR6's rumble borla + no cat = orgaism @ WOT
what is you name on the tex itsukiVR6?

GTRTim

boosted vr6 are no joke.. i ran a 93 green corrado vr6 here in long island.. he was pushing 14psi on his gt35r turbo.. we did a 2nd gear roll start up to 120mph and i won by a fender.. i know if we went till 140mph he'll pass me easily & he was surprised my sti was quick ;) but then again if we ran dead stop he'll get smoked :lol:

i was TrailOfDeadHondas, i remember being extremely jealous of your car. hell all of you gtr guys.

I had wrap, we took it off, and it spools exactly the same RPM.
They are GTspec

I am controlling boost with a blitz sbcid III

would you recommend the headers for your setup?
same goes to you Junior

one more question... PE850s or Perrin modified STi injectors?

Hmm... who is this ?? J.D.?? you got a STI now ??

I'm game for some fun runs... I got no problems taking the Loss... hopefully your in the 120-125 trap range so it's atleast some what even...

Lemme know when you wanna go...

not JD...ricegti on vortex...i'm always down for some fun runs...pm me and lemme know when you guys head out... :)

SOrry, i couldn't help but notice some comments from carguyx basically saying "until you run 400whp on a dynojet you only have 360whp" or somesuch. So I couldn't resist...

(one post is) Enough trolling for one month :)

Paul

would you recommend the headers for your setup?
same goes to you Junior

one more question... PE850s or Perrin modified STi injectors?

850's but the perrins will work just fine, I had them.

Lets go STI vs VW - 60-160mph.... Pump Gas vs Pump Gas..... your not afraid are ya ??? Junior knows my car is slow.... should have no problems waxing my ass... I just wanna have some fun...

You wanna race your mustang vs a friends honda or a friends vw ????

The guys at Design Tech can set it up with Manny.... but from what I hear your already afraid of my friends cars.....

Who races from 60mph?

Thats plain ignorant for someone especially with a 4cyl with short gearing.
My mustang is in about 3500 peices right now but if your friends with the honda or vw want to run for big money we have my friends "street car" that will run him. Mustang (small bolck, 10 inch tire, how fast could it be right :huh: )

FWD guys races from 60 on...and everyone knows why don't they ;)

850's but the perrins will work just fine, I had them.

i forgot what thread (ill try to find it) but someone said that the perrin modifieds were better than the 850s...

also about the headers? :)

i forgot what thread (ill try to find it) but someone said that the perrin modifieds were better than the 850s...

also about the headers? :)

My car with a VF22 made 29 more ftlbs, just by adding the GTspec header and uppipe. And it spooled 200 rpm faster.

I swear by them.

My car with a VF22 made 29 more ftlbs, just by adding the GTspec header and uppipe. And it spooled 200 rpm faster.

I swear by them.
Really...hmmmm, now I gotta think :confused: I have a header for sale but maybe I should keep it ;)

My car with a VF22 made 29 more ftlbs, just by adding the GTspec header and uppipe. And it spooled 200 rpm faster.

I swear by them.

do you recommend wrapping (well maybe against cracking since you said spool was same with or without) them / coating (for spool or cracking)?
or is it just not worth it at all

hey 2002WRXSTi...if you're still selling them..what kind and how much? thx

I think its a waste to coat or wrap em. Thats IMHO. I have a gtspec for sale too off my friends car if you wanna get one.

PM me details! you know carguyx....i think i was actually trying to buy those headers from you a while back but you never responded

I think it's a good idea to wrap them.

First it reduces heatsoak and underbonnet temps in general.
Second it insultates the oil filter from the the exhaust
Third, in situations where you don't have heat into the exhaust and turbo system, it can improve boost control (like 1st drag run after a period of rest). To give you an idea, when the exhaust and turbo are cold, you might experience 0.2 bar less held boost, compared to after a few pulls which would put some serious heat into the system.

But for flat out power alone it should make a difference.

I thought it might help too paul. We didnt see any change in power, spool or anything for that matter on the dyno pulls. I agree about the insulation and oil filter though.

I thought it might help too paul. We didnt see any change in power, spool or anything for that matter on the dyno pulls. I agree about the insulation and oil filter though.

PM'd you

Dyno pulls don't show realistic loading and airflow patterns though.

I noticed an improvement in spool up from datalogs from repairing a lot of damaged wrap and wrapping the uppipe, turbo and downpipe. Subjectively, in lower gears it did not have as much lag the first few times on the throttle, and I also thought that the power did not "fatigue" as much on a cross country blast at relatively low speed (under 80 mph in twisties) where I was either cornering as quick as I could or always braking or accelerating.

do you recommend wrapping (well maybe against cracking since you said spool was same with or without) them / coating (for spool or cracking)?
or is it just not worth it at all

hey 2002WRXSTi...if you're still selling them..what kind and how much? thx
I was and am still selling a OX header that is brand new. Originally picked it up for my EJ205 but, replaced that with a EJ207 and now do not want to do the header.
OX Header (http://www.directimagehost.com/is.php?i=61243&img=OXheader.JPG)

P.S. was looking for $300 for it

Who races from 60mph?

Thats plain ignorant for someone especially with a 4cyl with short gearing.
My mustang is in about 3500 peices right now but if your friends with the honda or vw want to run for big money we have my friends "street car" that will run him. Mustang (small bolck, 10 inch tire, how fast could it be right :huh: )

LMAO dude your so full of excuses it's not even funny..

So if your afraid to race from a roll because I have a 6cylinder and you have a 4cyl LOLOLOL... so you want to race another 4cylinder from a roll then since it will be alot more "FAIR" ??

Do you want to race other 4cylinders from a stop then ???

If YOUR Mustang is in pieces then why are you talking **** with it ????

Also I love how it's a "Street Car" thats prolly trailered everyplace it goes, Hmm... lets see Small Blocks w/big shots on a 10.5 run in the mid 8's all day, so you figure on the street it's a low 9second car

Whatever your afraid to race.... why i don't know theres no money on the line...

I wonder if you'll actually ever go to the track and run you 11.4's that you claim

Speaking of subaru's...................................

I think it's a good idea to wrap them.

First it reduces heatsoak and underbonnet temps in general.
Second it insultates the oil filter from the the exhaust
Third, in situations where you don't have heat into the exhaust and turbo system, it can improve boost control (like 1st drag run after a period of rest). To give you an idea, when the exhaust and turbo are cold, you might experience 0.2 bar less held boost, compared to after a few pulls which would put some serious heat into the system.

But for flat out power alone it should make a difference.

could coating the headers do the same?

LMAO dude your so full of excuses it's not even funny..

So if your afraid to race from a roll because I have a 6cylinder and you have a 4cyl LOLOLOL... so you want to race another 4cylinder from a roll then since it will be alot more "FAIR" ??

Do you want to race other 4cylinders from a stop then ???

If YOUR Mustang is in pieces then why are you talking **** with it ????

Also I love how it's a "Street Car" thats prolly trailered everyplace it goes, Hmm... lets see Small Blocks w/big shots on a 10.5 run in the mid 8's all day, so you figure on the street it's a low 9second car

Whatever your afraid to race.... why i don't know theres no money on the line...

I wonder if you'll actually ever go to the track and run you 11.4's that you claim

How about the 1/4 mile for 2500?? My STI against your car??

Whos afraid now??

No crap to talk now right? Newsflash!!! this is a subaru board.

Take your POS VW somewhere where someone cares about it.

How about the 1/4 mile for 2500?? My STI against your car??

Whos afraid now??

No crap to talk now right? Newsflash!!! this is a subaru board.

Take your POS VW somewhere where someone cares about it.

Hmm. THis is getting interesting.... Sorry to have to do this, but i got 100 on the Vr6..

Hmm. THis is getting interesting.... Sorry to have to do this, but i got 100 on the Vr6..
I posted before that this was getting interesting but now it is Getting REALLY INTERESTING!!

PS I timed the car last night

Those of you that know me, I may share with you if you see me around or u may just have to wait until the next event.

How about the 1/4 mile for 2500?? My STI against your car??

Whos afraid now??

No crap to talk now right? Newsflash!!! this is a subaru board.

Take your POS VW somewhere where someone cares about it.

LMAO.... Now you wanna race for money.... Another excuse not to race cause you know 99% of the people won't want to race for $2500 or can't because they don't have it.
How bout this... We can race The Mile for Money if you'd like ...

Otherwise we can keep it friendly... or I'll run ya for $50 at the track... First to Finish wins, Redlight you lose, .400 pro tree.

LMAO... my POS VW.... hahah... thats funny...

hey guys relax :lol:

Why not ?? 400whp is 400whp.. and should be a 120+mph car .... My friends EVO that made 450whp trapped 124mph and from a roll ran just like a 124 car, even makes more from the 1/8th the the 1/4 then my car
I'm running 15psi on pump gas which is like 365whp.... shouldn't be much to worry about...

400whp dynojet is not 400whp dyno dynamics. Just for reference, with the green on my 2.5, I ran 11.9@118mph, running a tune that was right around the 380-400whp 'Mustang' mark. ( I made 427 on the smaller 20G, but that was with C16 ).

Keep in mind I'm not a pro drag racer, and that was with a nearly 1.9 60' time. I did three 11.9s that day at two different drag strips all with the same 118ish trap speed.

If you have a real 400+whp, you should be in that range, perhaps a few mph more if the temps are cool.

As for your stock STI motor, it will not last. You will have some broken ring landings shortly. Those stock cast STI pistons don't like high boost for lots of time. You should consider a quick weekend piston swap.

Jeff Sponaugle
PDXTuning

Itsuki has been boosted on his vr6 for a good two years now. Car runs like a beast though

Itsuki has been boosted on his vr6 for a good two years now. Car runs like a beast though

Sponaugle was refering to the Sti's weak pistons..

HEY ITsukiVR6 do u know this guy(pete) from queens.. he owns a green 93 2.8L turbo corrado.. his last setup t3/to4e he ran a 12.4@115 - 14psi but now he upgraded his turbo to a gt35r :eek: he's still running 14psi & the car is damn fast ;) he was spinning everywhere but i gave him a good run though ;)

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/i=wNTYzNzI2NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

HEY ITsukiVR6 do u know this guy(pete) from queens.. he own a green 93 2.8L turbo corrado.. his last setup t3/to4e he ran a 12.4@115 - 14psi but now he upgraded his turbo to a gt35r :eek: he's still running 14psi & the car is damn fast ;) he was spinning everywhere but i gave him a good run though ;)


Polish Kid.... hangs around with a guy Teddy with a 1.8T Passat ???

yup thats him.. cool guy :)

850's but the perrins will work just fine, I had them.

which fuel pump?

Walmart

PS I timed the car last night

Those of you that know me, I may share with you if you see me around or u may just have to wait until the next event.


:confused: I thought the whole thread was about how fast your car was? All of a sudden you need top level clearance? What am I missing here :confused:

more tools in this thread than sears..........

-mikey

As for your stock STI motor, it will not last. You will have some broken ring landings shortly. Those stock cast STI pistons don't like high boost for lots of time. You should consider a quick weekend piston swap.

Jeff Sponaugle
PDXTuning

He speaks the truth, I broke 2 ring lands on my #4 piston. So I did a quick weekend shortblock swap while I build my beastly motor.

Junior, if you see this, I sent you a pm.

If the guy plans on making any cash with his car...I don't blame him for not telling the times, though this forum is about bragging. ;)

VR6: don't count on "most" mid-8 cars running 9s on the street. If the NE is anything like my area, we "prep" our streets. :D My car runs within 2/10 of its track times.

He speaks the truth, I broke 2 ring lands on my #4 piston. So I did a quick weekend shortblock swap while I build my beastly motor.

A couple of people have PM'd me to ask how much work it is to do said 'weekend swap'. Here is a quick outline of the procedure, along with the costs.

Step 1: Pull motor.

This is not as hard as it sounds. Pull off intake and exhaust stuff, disconnect main wire harness in engine bay, disconnect fuel lines, drain coolent and remove radiator, pull out transmission release bearing pin, undo 6 tranny to engine bolts (2 nuts actually). Undo lower two engine mount bolts. Take out front O2 so you dont smash it. Hook up chain. Lift motor out.

Step 2: Remove heads.

Once engine is on the ground, remove the clutch and flywheel, intake manifold and exhaust manifold. Remove valve covers. Remove plastic timing belt covers. Remove pully bolts (the hardest part.. see below). Remove timing belt and pully. Remove tensioner. Undo cam cap bolts and remove cams. Undo head bolts and slide heads off.

Step 3: Remove old pistons.

Open up the 4 access holes to get to the wrist pins. Move the motor around so you can get to each pin, one at a time. Remove locks and slide pins out.. then push pistons out.

Step 4: Replace with new pistons and rings.

Compress rings on pistons, and use ring holder to slide pistons in. make sure not to forget locks on inside of pistons. Put wrist pins back in, along with outside locks. Reinstall covers to pin holes.

Step 5: Install Heads

Using new head gaskets, reinstall heads, torque correctly, reinstall cams and caps. put on cam sprockets. put in tensioner. Install new timing belt. Put covers back on.

Step 6: Resinstall.

Put the exhaust and intake manifold back on. Lift back in car. Reverse all of Step 1, fuel, coolent, oil, etc.

Cost:
Your time
Head Gaskets ($50)
Pistons and Rings ($600)

Can be done in one day is you are quick and have a few helpers.

Tools you need:
Engine lift and stand
Standard metric stuff (10,12,14,17,19)
strong (1/2 not 3/8) 10mm hex socket
14mm hex socket
12 point 14mm 1/2 socket
6 point 14mm 1/2 socket
12 point 12mm 1/2 socket
impact screwdriver

Jeff

I did a 12.84 at lebanon valley on stock turbo/injectors...turbo is ported...no e.m used c-16....so nah!!! oh yeah 312 awhp on dyno with c16/323awtq :banana:

As for your stock STI motor, it will not last. You will have some broken ring landings shortly. Those stock cast STI pistons don't like high boost for lots of time. You should consider a quick weekend piston swap.

Jeff Sponaugle
PDXTuning

Why is that? Cast pistons just dont break... I mean sure if you pump alot(30+psi) they will push the lands down and cause them to break. 22-24 psi pump gas on a safe tune... will last you. DETONATION breaks the pistons not boost.

Why is that? Cast pistons just dont break... I mean sure if you pump alot(30+psi) they will push the lands down and cause them to break. 22-24 psi pump gas on a safe tune... will last you. DETONATION breaks the pistons not boost.

22psi does not yield 400+whp on pump gas. The issue is the amount of advance and boost needed to get over 400whp in a configuration like this. 24+psi plus enough advance to get this power will break the motor, eventually. I fully understand the issues of detonation causing the eventual piston failure.

Let's just say that many of the 400whp+ tunes posted here are pushed far enough to be well into the silent but deadly detonation range.

As for 22-24 psi on a safe tune lasting, it depends on your definition of lasting, as well as how you drive the car. A stock motor driven hard at >24psi on a green will have problems, but you might get a year into it before problems appear.

Everyone is free to take advice as they see fit, and replace motors as they see fit. There is no absolute line to cross.... but my experience, and the experience of many other tuners is that at the very high hp levels (>400whp for these 2.5Ls), there are some significant stock limitations.

(not even addresssing the out of balance cranks, scratched in the bearing services from Subaru, etc).

Cheers!

Jeff Sponaugle

I really hope none of you think that your stock engines will last for 5 years even without detonation at 400 whp...

Who builds a 400whp car to last them 5 years atleast without plans to do something about the internals anyway?

Who builds a 400whp car to last them 5 years atleast without plans to do something about the internals anyway?


I think this is were the "reliable" "safe" terms get thrown off. 99% on the time when you are going for a big HP goal, you anticipate building the motor sooner or later. Most of the guys are happy if they get away with it for a 1 year, non expect much more... Its like any HI output motor, big or small you set the goal for a true reliable (wont void warranty ect) or you set your goal high and know thatit wont last forever.. Even race motors running "24"psi on pump gas have to be freshned up after a while...problem is everyone hasa diffrent opinion of how long a "while" is.

I think this is were the "reliable" "safe" terms get thrown off. 99% on the time when you are going for a big HP goal, you anticipate building the motor sooner or later. Most of the guys are happy if they get away with it for a 1 year, non expect much more... Its like any HI output motor, big or small you set the goal for a true reliable (wont void warranty ect) or you set your goal high and know thatit wont last forever.. Even race motors running "24"psi on pump gas have to be freshned up after a while...problem is everyone hasa diffrent opinion of how long a "while" is.

Very true. A quick search of my post history can see how I feel. I kept my 2.5 block stock as a measure of testing. My motor rarly if ever experienced any serious detonation. It was tuned almost every day I drove it, and was a working test platform for PDXTuning. It actually never once saw pump gas.. always pump + Toluene (20%), or race gas. It did however have a number of drag runs, track runs, autocrosses, and that pesky drive to work.

Like many others, I knew the block would not last. I was most interested to see where it failed. It failed in a small way, and was still pounding out 450 mustang dyno whp when I took it out. However inspection of the pistons shows all 4 were looking stressed.. 2 were already cracked, and one was discolored and starting to crack.

The drop in vacuum pressure, which seemed to be realted to the cracks, occurred after a few weeks of very high boost (27-28psi). I don't remember a single knock event during that timeframe.... but I was running 104 unleaded a lot then as well.

My speculation about other motor problems is not just from my car, but from other cars as well. A good number of green turbo'd cars that have pushed to 400whp have suffered the same fate. In the same light, one might suspect that Ron from Axis, Quirt from Crawford, and many others have chosed to swap the pistons out first for a reason.

One other thing to consider is that ALOT of people tune their cars on the dyno to high HP numbers on race gas, but don't drive it that way on the street. While expensive to drive around town on race gas, I wanted to see what the motor can really take, so I ran my 27-28psi everyday.... and that make taking people for rides that much more enjoyable.. ;)

Anyways, I'm going to get a nice sleeved built block and make some good power, as I'm getting tired of taking my engine out! ;)

Jeff Sponaugle
PDXTuning.com

Everyone owns a fast car till they go to the track.

Dyno charts, butt dynos and all the hype in the world cant hide the real truth and until you click off a 11.xx and post a time slip or someone sees it the harrassment will continuwe. Too many people found out that their inflatted dyno numbers were not all that they seems at the Evo v WRX shootout.

I hope you get your time Carl, but I have seen quite afew disappointed people over the last several months to suspect otherwise.

I personally am parting my subie out for the last time...Too much smoke and mirrors in this market for my taste and all the credit goes to the people who can talk about good work instead of doing it.

Nino, check your pm's.

So whats up carguyx.... wanna do a 60-160 pull ???
See if the car is actually a 120+ car...
I love spanking cars that Junior tunes ;)


Only pussies race from a roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :disco: :disco: :disco:

Only pussies race from a roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :disco: :disco: :disco:\


:lol: :lol: :banana: :banana: :disco: :disco:

Thank God someone else agrees with me.

Just for all of your knowledge.....

I called Mr yellow GTI out, Spoke to his boy on the phone, offered to race heads up for 2500.... and I heard every I cant race because excuse that was ever created.

So....... at least have something to back up what you say if u want to talk **** on a message board. This guy is officially my bi tch.

Pwned with a capital P

This guy is officially my bi tch.
If only I could find a Homer Simpson Doh! to post :lol: Ok I did...
http://www.angelfire.com/or2/haider/funpix/doh.jpg

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:lol: :lol: :banana: :banana: :disco: :disco:

Thank God someone else agrees with me.

Just for all of your knowledge.....

I called Mr yellow GTI out, Spoke to his boy on the phone, offered to race heads up for 2500.... and I heard every I cant race because excuse that was ever created.

So....... at least have something to back up what you say if u want to talk **** on a message board. This guy is officially my bi tch.

*** are you talking about .... You must be smoking some of that good ****...
You never talked to me or my "boy" whoever that may be about racing... Obviously this person you claimed to talk to obviously wasn't my "boy" since I didn't here **** about this race..... and why would I make excuses when I clearly offered to race you a month ago ????? Lets here your comeback now...

I called you out a month ago and you bitched out so i dunno *** you talking about...

lets take a look at what i posted on 9/16
"Otherwise we can keep it friendly... or I'll run ya for $50 at the track... First to Finish wins, Redlight you lose, .400 pro tree."

I have been at the track every wednesday and friday since then including both days of the NHRA event and you were no where to be found... So don't whats your excuse ?????

So obviously, it looks like your the one who likes to talk **** on the internet and not back it up..... I'm still waiting to see one of those mid 11 time slips you claimed over a month ago......

*** are you talking about .... You must be smoking some of that good ****...
You never talked to me or my "boy" whoever that may be about racing... Obviously this person you claimed to talk to obviously wasn't my "boy" since I didn't here **** about this race..... and why would I make excuses when I clearly offered to race you a month ago ????? Lets here your comeback now...

I called you out a month ago and you bitched out so i dunno *** you talking about...

lets take a look at what i posted on 9/16
"Otherwise we can keep it friendly... or I'll run ya for $50 at the track... First to Finish wins, Redlight you lose, .400 pro tree."

I have been at the track every wednesday and friday since then including both days of the NHRA event and you were no where to be found... So don't whats your excuse ?????

So obviously, it looks like your the one who likes to talk **** on the internet and not back it up..... I'm still waiting to see one of those mid 11 time slips you claimed over a month ago......

I guess manny's not your boy right?

I called you out, you pussied out, thats it.Dont try and act hard for everyone on here when in reality your scared. You have your chance to be a man and you didnt. You r car isnt ****, and you arent ****.

Shut up before you get smacked like the bitch you are.

I guess manny's not your boy right?

I called you out, you pussied out, thats it.Dont try and act hard for everyone on here when in reality your scared. You have your chance to be a man and you didnt. You r car isnt ****, and you arent ****.

Shut up before you get smacked like the bitch you are.

Manny's my boy... but he didn't talk to me nor ever asked me and he most certainly wouldn't make excuses... He knows that I offered to run you at the track for $50... not sure what to tell ya

And how am I trying to act tough... your the one trying to be mr.macho...

I asked to do a friendly highway pull and you started acting tuff with your mustang....

Then come back with some absurd amount to race for... then I once again challenge you to YOUR race.. aka from a stop at the track... either for fun or a reasonable amount of $50 and you declined or showed no interest.... end of story....

You can think what ever you want... but it's clearly printed from over a month ago my 2 challenges.... not my fault you wanna flaunt your money.... Like I said we can race for any amount you want... but your not getting paid cause I ain't got it...

Manny's my boy... but he didn't talk to me nor ever asked me and he most certainly wouldn't make excuses... He knows that I offered to run you at the track for $50... not sure what to tell ya

And how am I trying to act tough... your the one trying to be mr.macho...

I asked to do a friendly highway pull and you started acting tuff with your mustang....

Then come back with some absurd amount to race for... then I once again challenge you to YOUR race.. aka from a stop at the track... either for fun or a reasonable amount of $50 and you declined or showed no interest.... end of story....

You can think what ever you want... but it's clearly printed from over a month ago my 2 challenges.... not my fault you wanna flaunt your money.... Like I said we can race for any amount you want... but your not getting paid cause I ain't got it...
That 'come back' is typical....

They act real hard, get called out, get scared, and then in an effort to look big, they throw out an absurd amount of money in hopes that the other one will back down...

Tim I say put up that money and smoke him...I love my subaru, but I know you will take him. . .and unless he starts smashin those gears, remember he has to shift more times then u. . .

Besides its not like he's as fast as Orlando or Dre, and you've been side by side with them....so. Go for it.

Everyone owns a fast car till they go to the track.

Dyno charts, butt dynos and all the hype in the world cant hide the real truth and until you click off a 11.xx and post a time slip or someone sees it the harrassment will continuwe. Too many people found out that their inflatted dyno numbers were not all that they seems at the Evo v WRX shootout.

I hope you get your time Carl, but I have seen quite afew disappointed people over the last several months to suspect otherwise.

I personally am parting my subie out for the last time...Too much smoke and mirrors in this market for my taste and all the credit goes to the people who can talk about good work instead of doing it.


^^^ Gets my vote for post of the week. :banana:

While I agree that a timeslip is worth alot for proving power, there is a nasty tendancy for people to make it out to the only thing. Sorry but a timeslip is a product of ALOT of different factors, with power only being one of them. For instance I am fairly sure an EVO will run a good bit lower ET for the same HP. Something about better gear ratios than the STi and a bit less wieght. But too many here would assume that the STi is making less power.

Horsepower is a function derived from measurements of work done over an amount of time. If a car does 1/4 mile of work over a certain amount of time, that is the measurement of it's horsepower. This (1/4 mile)/Time function accounts for all the variables associated with driving a fast car. If you are a crappy driver with minimal launching skills and the inability to maximize the engine potential of your car, you are robbing yourself of valuable horsepower! To quote the late Koyokid from Clubwrx.net, "The best mod is the one behind the steering wheel..."


~Tim

never mind.

Dan all do respect, but I have run the car, its gone WAY faster then Mr bigmouths timeslips say. Thats on pumpgas.

You know my car from seeing me on 78 dan, blue sti with suspension. We've seen eachother a dozen times.

As far as me missing gears, its a common thing with wrx and sti drivers, but its not going to happen here buddy, i've been drag racing since mr Vr6 was going to 8th grAde dances.

This whole nonsense thread is taking way too much of my time. I talked what I talked, I put my money where my mouth was, and he didnt take the race. Bottom line. So Im done with this.

I think Im trading the STI for a new lotus elise anyway, see you on 78 dan ;)

I think Im trading the STI for a new lotus elise anyway
You will have more down time with a Lotus than most any car out there...sept maybe a Jag :lol:

:rolleyes: Not with a yamaha/toyota engine trans and harness in it

This threads turned out great..lol...
Carls car is as fast as he says... Believe what you want, it runs the number.. Just remeber that with my crappppppy driving I got a car with about 30 less hp and a bad clutch to go 12.5@116mph with a 2.2 60ft.... On pump gas... when Carls car cuts his 1.6XX 60fts... and add in the 1?? MPH traps it runs the numbers.... that all :cool:


As for the lotus..... Wait til someone makes mid 300s on one... That toyota block and the yamaho head... Can we say 2000lb 350hp 9000rpm rev mid engine monster... with gears to match...
Just look at what a 400hp NSX will run on pump gas.... 10.50s@128-130mph.. and 1.5 60fts on 17" BFGs.

Jeez ya just got the WRX done, keep it for a lil while at least :huh:

Dan all do respect, but I have run the car, its gone WAY faster then Mr bigmouths timeslips say. Thats on pumpgas.

You know my car from seeing me on 78 dan, blue sti with suspension. We've seen eachother a dozen times.

As far as me missing gears, its a common thing with wrx and sti drivers, but its not going to happen here buddy, i've been drag racing since mr Vr6 was going to 8th grAde dances.

This whole nonsense thread is taking way too much of my time. I talked what I talked, I put my money where my mouth was, and he didnt take the race. Bottom line. So Im done with this.

I think Im trading the STI for a new lotus elise anyway, see you on 78 dan ;)

LMAO...
I went 11.50 @ 121mph...pulling timing in 4th gear.. went 101.53mph to the 1/8th... been 124.49 ... so in other words... with 410whp in a 3200lb car... you ran 128-129mph traps since that would be "way faster" then 124mph... and Quicker would make you running 11.1's .... which i find hard to beleive..

Also which track did you supposedly run at ???

Next... your 3 years older then me... soo woohoo you have tons more drag racing experience... which i doubt.... have you made 1000 1/4 mile passes ???

Finally you keep saying I didn't take your race... you didn't take the races i offered.... so not sure how you figure i punked out...

Finally it's funny that this thread only came back to life after you got your car back with even more power then originally...

Besides its not like he's as fast as Orlando or Dre, and you've been side by side with them....so. Go for it.
Damn if Itsuki's been next to Orlando holding his own, I would NOT mess with that. :cool:

Dan all do respect, but I have run the car, its gone WAY faster then Mr bigmouths timeslips say. Thats on pumpgas.

You know my car from seeing me on 78 dan, blue sti with suspension. We've seen eachother a dozen times.

As far as me missing gears, its a common thing with wrx and sti drivers, but its not going to happen here buddy, i've been drag racing since mr Vr6 was going to 8th grAde dances.

This whole nonsense thread is taking way too much of my time. I talked what I talked, I put my money where my mouth was, and he didnt take the race. Bottom line. So Im done with this.

I think Im trading the STI for a new lotus elise anyway, see you on 78 dan ;)

Hey I dont mean to get all crazy I just know both cars, whats between you two should stay that way. . .So I wont comment anymore...Its all good. 2 good guys in my eyes.

I get crazy because thats happen to me 4239857489754 times where people ask to race or whatnot and in order to intimidate me they throw out a crazy number knowing I wont put it up...that all.

Lotus eh ? funny, me too....Maybe we shall see each other on 78. Just not in subbies ! ;)

Later peoples. . .

LMAO...
I went 11.50 @ 121mph...pulling timing in 4th gear.. went 101.53mph to the 1/8th... been 124.49 ... so in other words... with 410whp in a 3200lb car... you ran 128-129mph traps since that would be "way faster" then 124mph... and Quicker would make you running 11.1's .... which i find hard to beleive..

Also which track did you supposedly run at ???

Next... your 3 years older then me... soo woohoo you have tons more drag racing experience... which i doubt.... have you made 1000 1/4 mile passes ???

Finally you keep saying I didn't take your race... you didn't take the races i offered.... so not sure how you figure i punked out...

Finally it's funny that this thread only came back to life after you got your car back with even more power then originally...

You can say what you want, lie all you want, try to look cool for everyone all you want.... you punked out when I asked you to run heads up. Then when I called you out and called you a bitch you said OK, pro tree for $50, I wipe my ass with $50, it'll cost me more to drive to TT and put 6 gallons of vp import gas in my car. Save some $$$ in your piggy bank.

You want a car from a roll? How about name your price to run a tiny little 1.8 type R from 3rd gear roll, not less then $500 tho cause then its a waste of time otherwise..... lets see here.... 1.8L honda motor VS 2.8L V6 turbo? Wanna take this race or do you want to weasel out of this one?

How about this..... I'll put up 1/2 the money for you, and if you lose for my $250 you never post on this board or run your mouth again if you lose. :lol:

I forgot... on the 1000 passes... yes I have. I had my card at englishtown before I had my DL ;) .

Hey I dont mean to get all crazy I just know both cars, whats between you two should stay that way. . .So I wont comment anymore...Its all good. 2 good guys in my eyes.

I get crazy because thats happen to me 4239857489754 times where people ask to race or whatnot and in order to intimidate me they throw out a crazy number knowing I wont put it up...that all.

Lotus eh ? funny, me too....Maybe we shall see each other on 78. Just not in subbies ! ;)

Later peoples. . .

I cant decide if I want the orange or the Charcoal DAN !!!!!!

You can say what you want, lie all you want, try to look cool for everyone all you want.... you punked out when I asked you to run heads up. Then when I called you out and called you a bitch you said OK, pro tree for $50, I wipe my ass with $50, it'll cost me more to drive to TT and put 6 gallons of vp import gas in my car. Save some $$$ in your piggy bank.

You want a car from a roll? How about name your price to run a tiny little 1.8 type R from 3rd gear roll, not less then $500 tho cause then its a waste of time otherwise..... lets see here.... 1.8L honda motor VS 2.8L V6 turbo? Wanna take this race or do you want to weasel out of this one?

How about this..... I'll put up 1/2 the money for you, and if you lose for my $250 you never post on this board or run your mouth again if you lose. :lol:

I forgot... on the 1000 passes... yes I have. I had my card at englishtown before I had my DL ;) .

Dude you have some serious ISSUES... you keep calling me a liar this and that mean while your the one that keeps getting caught out in lies...

Lie #1
You say ". you punked out when I asked you to run heads up. "
Please show me where in this thread I ever so I won't race you heads up ???

Lie #2
You say "Then when I called you out and called you a bitch you said OK, pro tree for $50"

You said lets race for $2500...in the VERY NEXT REPLY. I said lets race for $50 on a pro tree.... I never said I wouldn't race you heads up... I said I won't race you for $2500 as thats a ridiculous amount of money...
I mean **** you didn't call me a bitch till your post you just made on 10/9/2004.... I agreed to race you all the way back on 9/16 so get your **** straight

Please if you gonna try and punk someone, why don't you go back and read what wrote before you reply so you don't make your self look like and ass.

Next why all the sudden are you running on race gas ??? Hmmm lets take a look at this thread 400+hp on PUMP GAS.... so already your changing the variables and when you would have shown up on race gas I would have laughed and said i'm not racing.... This was for your on Pump Gas...

Whatever I'm done with you... your a habitual liar... just keep changing the facts and making **** up...

Finally.... I know where my car stands and what I can and can't beat.... I'm not going to race a yellow type r with a built motor that makes 596whp.... however if your so confident in that car.... He can race another 2.8L vr6 w/stock rods.... I'll even drive it or the owner can drive it... OR.... We can have that car run another 1.8L honda with full leather interior....
But I'm sure you'll come up with a bunch of excuses as to why that car can't race either of the 2 cars I have...

Thats funny... about you having 1000passes... lemme guess you throw away all your time slips..

Also I love how I run my mouth.... LOLOL.... your the one who keeps talking ****....

post of the year!

post of the year!
Your telling me ;)

This has been the thread to read :p

Lets leave the typeR out of this.....lol..
He isnt on here and I wont let him race steve or cunha, two 10.0-1 cars.....

Timmy just run Carl... Carl just run Timmy, lets leave all other cars out if it. You both have fast cars... 2 completely diffrent cars.. Timmy will win from a roll... Carl will win from a Dig on the street. If Timmy can get his car back to the mid 11s it will be close on the track. Put them on a road track... We know the outcome.. Everyone always wants to race on some terms... Bring both cars to the track and run what ya brung!

Dude you have some serious ISSUES... you keep calling me a liar this and that mean while your the one that keeps getting caught out in lies...

Lie #1
You say ". you punked out when I asked you to run heads up. "
Please show me where in this thread I ever so I won't race you heads up ???

Lie #2
You say "Then when I called you out and called you a bitch you said OK, pro tree for $50"

You said lets race for $2500...in the VERY NEXT REPLY. I said lets race for $50 on a pro tree.... I never said I wouldn't race you heads up... I said I won't race you for $2500 as thats a ridiculous amount of money...
I mean **** you didn't call me a bitch till your post you just made on 10/9/2004.... I agreed to race you all the way back on 9/16 so get your **** straight

Please if you gonna try and punk someone, why don't you go back and read what wrote before you reply so you don't make your self look like and ass.

Next why all the sudden are you running on race gas ??? Hmmm lets take a look at this thread 400+hp on PUMP GAS.... so already your changing the variables and when you would have shown up on race gas I would have laughed and said i'm not racing.... This was for your on Pump Gas...

Whatever I'm done with you... your a habitual liar... just keep changing the facts and making **** up...

Finally.... I know where my car stands and what I can and can't beat.... I'm not going to race a yellow type r with a built motor that makes 596whp.... however if your so confident in that car.... He can race another 2.8L vr6 w/stock rods.... I'll even drive it or the owner can drive it... OR.... We can have that car run another 1.8L honda with full leather interior....
But I'm sure you'll come up with a bunch of excuses as to why that car can't race either of the 2 cars I have...

Thats funny... about you having 1000passes... lemme guess you throw away all your time slips..

Also I love how I run my mouth.... LOLOL.... your the one who keeps talking ****....


Remind me again why you post on a subaru board when you drive a banana **** box VW?

Lets leave the typeR out of this.....lol..
He isnt on here and I wont let him race steve or cunha, two 10.0-1 cars.....

Timmy just run Carl... Carl just run Timmy, lets leave all other cars out if it. You both have fast cars... 2 completely diffrent cars.. Timmy will win from a roll... Carl will win from a Dig on the street. If Timmy can get his car back to the mid 11s it will be close on the track. Put them on a road track... We know the outcome.. Everyone always wants to race on some terms... Bring both cars to the track and run what ya brung!


Junior the voice of reason :lol: :lol:

I dont think Mr timmy would be talking all this crap if I was standing in front of him Jun. what do you think?

Lets leave the typeR out of this.....lol..
He isnt on here and I wont let him race steve or cunha, two 10.0-1 cars.....

Timmy just run Carl... Carl just run Timmy, lets leave all other cars out if it. You both have fast cars... 2 completely diffrent cars.. Timmy will win from a roll... Carl will win from a Dig on the street. If Timmy can get his car back to the mid 11s it will be close on the track. Put them on a road track... We know the outcome.. Everyone always wants to race on some terms... Bring both cars to the track and run what ya brung!

Junior this is why we love you :D

Remind me again why you post on a subaru board when you drive a banana **** box VW?

Here is your reminder... see that on the right
http://forum.vwsport.com/pics/data/502/7idrctrophy4-med.jpg

Junior the voice of reason :lol: :lol:

I dont think Mr timmy would be talking all this crap if I was standing in front of him Jun. what do you think?

Dude you have issues..... you keep saying I'm talking crap.... I didn't know calling one a liar and then providing proof of such accusation is talking crap...

Talking crap means making personal comments, degrading ones car etc... something I never did any such thing.... so not quite sure..

Here is your reminder... see that on the right
http://forum.vwsport.com/pics/data/502/7idrctrophy4-med.jpg

You should bring the banana to the hole friday. ;)

Bring some $$$ too.