I can't decide. This will be my first set of tires after the re92's for my 00RS. I know they are pretty equal in performance. The toyo's are cheeper of course. I just want some opinons from people who've used either brand.

Thanks
Marisa

Well, I have the Proxes 4's and dollar for dollar, I think it's up to the Toyo's or the Falken Ziex ZE-512's. My mom's RS is going to be getting the Falken's sometime this fall as well. I think if the Pirelli's were $15-20 less per tire it would be a much harder toss, but that's just me.

It's basically a 3-way between these three and here is the cost rundown (with an estimated shipping) for the 205/55R-16 size:
Falken Ziex ZE-512 (EdgeRacing) $67per = $268 + $43.60 shipping; TOT= $311.60
Pirelli PZero Nero M&S (TireRack) $101per = $404 + $34.70 shipping; TOT= $438.70
Toyo Proxes 4's (EdgeRacing) $78per = $312 + $43.60 shipping; TOT= $355.60

all the info you need

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=584594

Not exactly decisive one way or another there IMO. The votes look one way and the talk is pretty flat across the board, at least that's how I see it. I haven't bought a set of Toyos before these, but I'm thoroughly impresses with this set. :D

Try the Falken ZE512's

The voting was a little lop-sided in favor of the PZero's, but I think that was due to its favorable exposure on Tirerack.com and the rating system there.

To find out about the Toyo's, you have to go HERE (http://www.1010tires.com/tirereviews.asp?manufacturer=Toyo&model=Proxes+4).

I have the Toyo's (215/45-17's on SSR Comps) and can testify they are delightful in terms of handling, tracking, and steering response. :D
No tramlining issues either like the PZero's, although the PZ's will probably have a slight edge in the snow. (I'd recommend a separate set of winter rims and snows for both of these tires, though, unless you have the patience to take it easy in the snow.)

I had a difficult time deciding between the 2 tires as well. The 2 factors that decided it for me were treadwear and rotatability (is that a real word?). The Pirelli's treadwear is 420 and Toyo's treadwear is 360. Factoring in the price of the tires and mounting & balancing, it's a wash. But you'll have to change tires more often if you get the Toyo's, so that's time and that's worth something. I do about 26-28 thousand miles per year, so it does make a difference to me. Also, the Toyo's are directional you're limited to rotating on one side (if you're just doing it yourself without having the tires remounted & balanced). This is really only an issue if you have a bad alignment though. the Pirelli's can go on any corner.

How much decisive info do you want? Not many people have had both sets of tires on two separate cars to give you decisive info. They are very close in performance and characteristics. The reason there is no decisive info is because everyone has a different driving style and react better/worse to different tire characteristics. Just flip a coin, I can guarantee you will be happy with either one

My girlfriend has Falken ziex ZE 512's in 235 40 18 on her Tiburon and for the first 15000 or so they were nice. Now however, they are LOUD. They make so much noise it's not funny. When rolling slowly the action of the tread pattern rolling against the ground creates enough vibration to make the mirrors vibrate. They are quite annoying. We will be replacing them next year with something different. I will say they have lasted a while though.

how big of a deal is the toyo's treads being directional? I'm leaning towards the toyos. I have the falken ziexs on my wife's forester. They seem to be pretty good. we'll see when the snow & slush comes.

I prefer the quality of Toyo and Pirelli over Falken. None of these tires are really a great performance tire however. If you, for whatever reason, use a seperate tire for snow, then dont buy an A/S, that would be just dumb. I hope none of you are doing that, you are wasting your money. If money is an issue, the Toyo Proxes 4 is a great tire, and I think they handle better than the pirrelli's too. However, I agree with whats been said, the Pirelli will handle better in the snow. Directionale is not a big deal, accept that it limits how you can do rotations, you cant cross rotate. Its not a big deal at all, and they will likely do better in rain. I also think that Directional tires have better turn in.

I dont know if this matters to you at all, but I can say that, on a track, pirellis will overheat bad. Not all mind you, just the M+S A/S tires. They werent meant for track use, but Michelins and Toyo all seasons are used by some driving schools on the track, and they dont overheat. Pirelli's were not chosen by a certain school, after being looked at for tire sponsorship by pirelli, cuz the Pirelli's were too expensive and overheated.

I just bought the Proxes4 in size 225/45-17. I can't compare them to Pirelli's but I can say that the Toyo is a nice tire. They seem lightweight, they are comfortable on the freeway and the tread pattern is awesome looking. So far they are a great commuter tire - I have a second set of wheels for auto-x so the Toyos won't see the track.

Matt

What did you go with Marisa?

She went with none of the above. Its a long story, so I'll let her explain if she so desires.


Mick

Car is going up for sale, Got some falken ze512's to ditch the RE92's, got a flat on the freeway, and one other tire is on it's way out the door so they needed to be replaced.

although i had decided on the pirelli's, i think i'll get those for the new car in the spring.

Originally posted by pj's_rex:
If you, for whatever reason, use a seperate tire for snow, then dont buy an A/S, that would be just dumb. I hope none of you are doing that, you are wasting your money.

If you live in a place like Colorado, where the weather is REALLY unpredictable (we've seen snow here in June, August, and even one time in July) then a
high-performance all-season tire (like the Proxes 4 or PZero) makes a lot of sense as a 3-seasons tire. It gives you close-to-summer-tire performance for the street and will bail you out if you get caught in an out of season snow-storm.

Actually, thanks to this forum and all the tires you guys have recommended here, I've reached uncharted territory in the art of tire-and-wheel management--one set of stock wheels w/ContiExtreme's for the winter, a set of stock wheels and Goodyear GS D3's for the summer months, and third set of SSR Comp's w/Proxes 4-- you guessed it, for spring and fall. Hey, at least no one can accuse me of not rotating my tires on a regular basis!:D

If you, for whatever reason, use a seperate tire for snow, then dont buy an A/S, that would be just dumb. I hope none of you are doing that, you are wasting your money. :confused:
I plan on using an all season tire for a winter tire. A dedicated snow tire for the handful of times it will snow just doesn't make much sense. I think this is smart and money well spent.:D

pj's_Rex's comments may have validity in a specific climate, but he does not qualify his statement in any way. I hope none of are listening to him, that would be dumb. :)

correct me if im wrong...

i think pj's_Rex meant an allseason tire not in the winter, and a snow tire in the winter.

ie. why not just buy a summer tire for the 3 other seasons.