Could any of you guys write a program that would allow us to edit maps like the Delta ECU software allows?

Something similar to this:


http://www.hondata.com/images/3bar3dignmap.gif

I don't get it. How does the image shown allow you to edit a map? Looks more like a display..

You can grab any part of the grid and move it to the desired timing. It lets you see and obvious rough spots that you might have over looked by reading #'s alone.

This is one of the tools Ecutek tuners use.

It's pretty easy, IMO to look at a timing map and see that there's a 21 and a 14 next to each other.

You could easily display such a thing in excel by just selecting the cells and asking it to make a 3d graph. Making something that lets you grab and move cells would be a lot of work for, IMHO, little actual benefit.

I tend to agree, and personally focus my efforts more on tools to analyze logs since I'm plenty comfortable working in the UTEC's terminal interface. It's a cool idea though.

You could easily display such a thing in excel by just selecting the cells and asking it to make a 3d graph.
go ahead and try that... i can tell you that it's not as easy as you think. ;)
Making something that lets you grab and move cells would be a lot of work for, IMHO, little actual benefit.
excel lets you do this with datapoints. again, the issue is getting excel to recognize a map file cleanly, and to display a 3d solid surface chart with the proper perspectives.

consider that xede, hydra, haltec, motec, etc etc all have graphical tools that let you better visualize maps. are they all designed for tuning noobs?

in case you haven't picked up on it by now, i think it would be a great idea and can ONLY make things easier to tune. i see no downside whatsoever.

jm2c
ken

It's not so hard to do (this is a base stage4 map)

http://nextw3.com/WRX/Book1_13336_image001.gif

But do people really want to download their UTEC map, poke around in some graphical tool, and then re-upload? It's just so convenient to edit via the terminal interface. I think having the stock ECU handle the housekeeping tasks is what makes the UTEC so easy to get started with, not how pretty (or not) the included map editing interface is.

In case you haven't picked up on it by now, i think it would be a great idea and can ONLY make things easier to tune. i see no downside whatsoever.

jm2c
ken


Good man :D

For those interested, the picture in the first post is the Hondata software. ;)

For those interested, the picture in the first post is the Hondata software. ;)

You are correct, from what I have seen it's very good too. Send your honda ecu to Hondata and it comes back to you with a usb port and ready to tune, I wish there was somthing like that for us.

Macabre. Can you list detailed instructions on how to produce those graphs with excel please?

Thanks

Clark

Sure thing (this is with Excel 2003, it may or may not be the same with earlier versions)

- Open up a UTEC map in notepad or whatever
- Copy the section you want to chart (timing in this example) - only include the data portion (the stuff in brackets)
- Open up a blank Excel workbook
- Paste your map in
- Highlight the full column you inserted into, should be column "A" (all the data should be in it, not broken up into cells yet)
- Under the "Data" menu, select "Text to columns.." and click through there using all the defaults
- Do a find/replace on the whole sheet to replace the "[" and "]" with nothing
- Insert a new column to the left of the data (right-click on the "A" column header and select "Insert"). In this column, you'll need to type all RPM values. Time consuming, but you only have to do this once if you save the workbook for next time. 500rpm and up in 250rpm increments. You can automate this with a formula but I won't go into that. Start at row 2.
- Insert a new row above the data (right-click on the "1" row header and select "Insert"). In this row, you'll need to type the load values, 0, 10, 20, etc. Start at column B. Cell A1 should be empty.
- Select everything, go to the Insert menu and select "Chart..." - find the "Surface" charts and pick the top left one. The defaults are fine, just click finish.
- You should now have a pretty chart on your screen for just a few minutes of work :-) You can play with the look by right-clicking and selecting "3D View..."

- You should now have a pretty chart on your screen for just a few minutes of work :-) You can play with the look by right-clicking and selecting "3D View..."

You can also (if you're logging/editing on the same PC that has Excel) just copy it in hyperterminal and paste it in as "space-separated" data. Do both pages (skipping the load header on page 2), and you're done. :)