In short if i put the car in gear while on a hill ( nothing crazy ) it still moves.

It will hold for half a second, then move a half inch, then hold, then move its wacked.

Im assuming this is not normal and maybe the clutch is slipping?
None of my previous cars moved while in gear on an incline.

In short if i put the car in gear while on a hill ( nothing crazy ) it still moves.

It will hold for half a second, then move a half inch, then hold, then move its wacked.

Im assuming this is not normal and maybe the clutch is slipping?
None of my previous cars moved while in gear on an incline.

If you're moving dowhill, then Im assuming gravity is doing its job.

If you moving while the clutch is ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR and moving on a flat or upwardly inclined surface, then yes you have a problem.

No matter what, you clutch is not disengaging completely which could be as simple as a bubble in the clutch fluid line, or as bad as a warped disc/fly

Rich

Warranty!

hehe i forgot to add this is when the car is parked.
Happend today i left it in second got out of the car, started to walk away and it moved backwards, then stopped, then moved, then stopped and i had to pull up the ebrake. The hill was maybe 15 degrees or so.

I dont burn more than a half a quart of oil over 4k miles on synthetic oil.
No white smoke at all car has 30k miles so compression shouldnt be the problem.

So im guessing the clutch is worn and slipping. anyone else :confused:

If it's a steep enough hill it's entirely possible the engine compression won't be enough to hold the car from moving particularly if you leave it in one of the higher gears. This is why the proper way to park, especially on a hill, is to fully engage the e-brake and then put the car in gear (reverse is best, first ok). This will use the brake to hold the car and the trans will act as a safety backup in case the brake backs off.

This hill was a joke. It wasnt steep and with the cold Northeast winters ebrakes freeze all the time. Second gear will roll and first wont? That shouldnt matter, maybe in 5th but i dont think second is all that different than first?

The hill wasnt bad and fwiw ive parked other manual transmission cars on very steep hills and they never moved.

So why do subaru's move and other cars dont, Im assuming that subaru move on hills and thats normal?

I don't know if any Subaru would move in the same circumstance, you'd have to get another one and try it. This may be more likely with a WRX due to the compression being lower (8.0:1) than most typical N/A cars, Subaru or otherwise. Using reverse or first makes it less likely that gravity will overcome the compression and allow the car to move.

i left it in second got out of the car, started to walk away and it moved backwards, then stopped, then moved, then stopped and i had to pull up the ebrake. The hill was maybe 15 degrees or so.

Everything is fine, thats the car's weight vs. the compression of the engine. At all times, engage the parking brake... its just good safety (plus, what do u have to lose?)

Rich

It rains/snows/freezes alot here. Ive had ebrakes freeze one more than one occasion and know quite a few people that have had the same happen.

I suppose i wont park on hills and only use the ebrake if i have to.

It rains/snows/freezes alot here. Ive had ebrakes freeze one more than one occasion and know quite a few people that have had the same happen.

I suppose i wont park on hills and only use the ebrake if i have to.

Yeah in the bay area of califorina, we dont have to worry about ice... it gets a mighty 20f on th coldest days.

Rich

The e-brake in the WRX is less likely to freeze as it doesn't use the rear brake pads. It is a separate drum setup inside the rear rotor "hat".

I think your gears are on the way out. I had similar problems. My gear eventaully blew to pieces. Also you use the synthetic oil I dont think that is a good idea, If I'm not mistaken the engine will run alot more hotter. Thats not a good thing. I could be wrong but when I was at my dealer I asked about useing it and the tech. said not to use it.

Just use the parking brake, and call it a day ... That's why it's there, you know, to park ... :rolleyes:

Subaru recomends that you always leave your car in neutral when parking.

This was published in the first DRIVE magazine, and I have been doing it ever since. Do people really have problems with their E-brake's sticking? Seems like unnecessary stress on the gear set is why I would imagine they advise against it...

If you set the parking brake first and then put the car in gear, there will not be any stress on the transmission. Should the brake release or fail for some reason, the car being in gear will prevent it from moving. I have always parked my MT vehicles this way and will continue to do so.

If you set the parking brake first and then put the car in gear, there will not be any stress on the transmission. Should the brake release or fail for some reason, the car being in gear will prevent it from moving. I have always parked my MT vehicles this way and will continue to do so.

I do the same thing, but only when im on a hill. on a flat surface, i just use the parking brake. I live in jersey too and have my car at school in central pa, and ive never had a problem with the parking brake getting frozen.

matt

"Clutch in, neutral, clutch out,
blip,
clutch in, gear, clutch out."
Got it?

Parking brakes for sure freeze up here in cold damp conditions (e.g. freezing rain)... don't believe 'em when they say it's always a 'dry cold' hehe. In fact, the Canadian owner's manual says:

Parking in cold weather
Do not use the parking brake when parking for long periods in cold weather since it could freeze in that position. Instead, observe the following:
1. Place the shift lever in "1" or "R" for manual transmission vehicles, and in "P" for automatic transmission vehicles.
2. Use tire stops under the tires to prevent the vehicle from moving.


I've had mine freeze in a parking lot in just the time it takes to get groceries. And no I don't chock the wheels ;) But then the lot is not 15%... which is actually pretty steep.

1st gear is quite a bit shorter than 2nd at least in the WRX so I would use that when it's steep. (Remember high gear = hard for engine to turn wheels ; low gear = hard for wheels to turn engine. 5th is definitely a no-no - ask my 1st time stick driving buddy who's just had to get a new garage door and a new trunk for his brand new Honduh :( ).

Regarding 'stress on the transmission' I personally wouldn't worry about it compared to the normal acceleration and deceleration loads my transmission undergoes :devil:

Mulder, why would reverse be 'better' in this day and age? [In olden days, the rule was to use a forward gear if the car faced down the slope, and reverse if it faced up, because it was possible for the timing belts to slip on some vehicles if they were jogged in the opposite direction to the normal engine rotation. Subarus are supposedly immune to this because they have hydraulic tensioners that maintain timing belt tension at all times.]

To get back to the original poster: it depends (1) how steep (2) what gear and (3) whether any of your previous cars had such low compressions as the WRX. Do you have any other symptoms of clutch slip e.g. in high gears under load, RPM rising without a corresponding increase in road speed?