Just wanted to share the good deal:

Racer Wholesale is closing out Sabelt 5-pt harnesses for $110. I've seen them around for $170-200.

"H" type and "pull up"

both 5 point set ups...


what's the difference?
i dont know much about harnesses... ready to learn though.

j.
www.subiegal.com

Great, all we need now is a fricking harness bar and we're golden! :)

I believe pull-up Sabelt harnesses are the ones they use in the WRCs if I'm not mistaken? :)

Pull-up just refers to the lap belt. You pull the free end of each belt toward the middle to tighten it. I have the same kind in the Celica and they seem perfectly natural. Maybe some people don't like it that way.

Scooby's going in for the harness bar next week. Bert suggested that a single mild steel rollcage tube would not have enough strength, so he's going to figure out some sort of brace. Damn MEs always have a formula to tell you that something won't work! :p

Subie Gal, this pic should explain all...

http://sportscar-parts.com/scaimages/graphics/sprcblts.gif

Pull up belts are when you pull up on the lap belts to tighten. Pull down ones are when you pull down to tighten, which is sometimes impossible in a cramped cockpit.

I hope nobody is planning on getting a 5-point harness with the anti-submarine belt without a proper roll cage! What happens when you flip your car, the roof begins to crush, and you can't slide down in your seat? Answer: you get your neck broken.

Check out this M3:

<img src=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=34549&a=244226&p=50807986&Sequence=0>

Fortunately these guys did not have anti-submarine belts. This happened at Summit Point a few weeks ago. Both driver and instructor escaped with bruises and a few stitches. Car went off at 80mph. Click here to read more:

http://forums.audiworld.com/racing/msgs/16247.phtml

-Cy

**yawn** Here we go again.:rolleyes:

1) I need a harness to maintain control of the car.
2) A harness without a crotch strap is pointless--cinch the shoulder straps tight enough and the lap belt rides up. I've driven that way: it's not something I care to ever do again.
3) I'm not putting a cage in my street car just to participate in a driving school.

mean seriously, do you think I'm safer overall with a three point seatbelt that will allow me to move all over plus whack my face on the steering wheel at the slightest impact?

Edit, to remove the rude bits I might regret later.:)

thanks Jon!!!

i just may have to order some of those!!

erm.. for my roll caged rally car of course!! doh!

:)

j.
www.subiegal.com

Jon,
Do you prefer the dual anti-sub belt or the single? Just curious as I need to buy some belts for my rally car, and am wondering which is more popular and why.

Thanks in advance.

Mike
Anderpants Racing
G2 85 VW GTI -Rally Car-
MY 01 RS 2.5 Coupe -Street Car-

I've never used dual anti-sub belts. My understanding is that in a formula car with a reclined driving postion you put a bit more *ahem* pressure on the crotch strap, so a split design distributes that force better.

In my experience in an upright seat, which includes a few <30mph collisions with mostly soft surfaces (and one smallish tree), the anti-sub belt holds the lap belt down tight and it's the lap belt that really holds you in the seat.

Post the question on SpecialStage and I'm sure you'll get more diverse opinions.

Well, the dual belts will (supposedly) prevent you from, uh, damaging your "boys" in the event of an accident.

i only need a five point sabelt, but what is the address again?!!
I would buy that if they are really that cheap, no doubt.
thanks
chris

www.racerwholesale.com