Ok...you have a street car. You call it a daily driver. Yet, when you want to see what it will run and take it to the track, you lighten it up by taking out subs, seats, trim, spare, jack, etc....

Obviously to run a better time. But you put all that stuff back in when you venture out to the street. Why? Bragging rights? Best slip? Your car still won't run what you ran at the track otherwise...so why even do it? It isn't a true representation of what your "street car" "daily driver" is capable of at any given moment when not at the track.

I never understood this phenomenon. I always go to the track "as-is", work on reaction time, launching, shifting, etc... It runs what it runs in street trim. If I had a track car then the misc. stuff would stay out. But to switch it out for the track on a street car seems...well....dishonest.

If youve just done 5 passes in a row at 12.0, you do whatever it takes to hit 11's. Nothing dishonest about it.

People want to run faster times. Hence C16 maps.

Same reason golfers wear golf shoes, baseball players put black out under their eyes, and catch the balls with big leather gloves, bowlers wear bowling gloves, runners wear running shoes, skiers wear expensive boots, hunters wear camoflage, fishermen use invisable monofiliment line. They are trying to maximize their performance as allowed by the rules of the game.

You are comparing two different games that have different rules.
On the street it is "run what ya brung" rules.
At the strip it is "do what you can to go faster/quicker".

If your quoting ET's or trap speeds you are by definition stating you were at a track and those times were run under that rule set.

Street performance is street performance -- running what ever fuel load you happen to have in the tank, any passengers you might have, and the baby seat and the screaming wife/girl friend. No special tires, tire pressures, unknown and variable pavement surface etc.


Its like comparing NFL with a pickup football game in the park, or a boxing match in a ring with a street fight.

Larry

I went 12.9 @ 105 with my golf clubs, amps and sub in the trunk... :p

I run a full Kamanari body kit,laptop,full interior and usually a half a tank of gas. I take out the spare tire. How anyone could call that a poor representation of street trim is a mystery, Besides I really don't race on the freckin streets. This reminds me of the truth thread, much ado about nothing.

I never waste time taking weight out. Who cares?

If you run 11.9 or 12.0, in the end who cares? You will still most likely get NOTHING for it. Sure if you want to brag about saying you have an 11 second car i guess you might want to, but from my point of view I would only say my car was an 11 second car if I was confident I could beat another 11 second car. Chances are if someone elses is in the 11's there faster than you anyways so you might as well stick to saying your in the 12's :D

~v6

I also lower my antenna and fold my mirrors in. I am a rebel.

I also lower my antenna and fold my mirrors in. I am a rebel.

:lol:

I adjust my seat a notch or two.

from my point of view I would only say my car was an 11 second car if I was confident I could beat another 11 second car. Chances are if someone elses is in the 11's there faster than you anyways so you might as well stick to saying your in the 12's :D

~v6


Unless the car is FWD or RWD. Even though I only run mid 12's at the track I beat cars on the street that run 11's.


BTW, my car is always in track trim (-gas levels) on the street. Who needs a jack and spare when you have AAA :D .

Unless the car is FWD or RWD. Even though I only run mid 12's at the track I beat cars on the street that run 11's.



thats what drag radials are for :D

I never take out anything. My spare is gone only because I just drive around with no spare; I have AAA+ :p . Still weighing in at a piggish 3306 lbs. so that's street trim enough I like to think.

I never take out anything. My spare is gone only because I just drive around with no spare; I have AAA+ :p . Still weighing in at a piggish 3306 lbs. so that's street trim enough I like to think.


Why is your car so heavy or is that with you in it. My car at the track is 3300 even with me in it and 3250 with my passenger seat and floormats out.I've been driving with no seat for months now everyone just sits in the back.

Ok...you have a street car...

Yes, I agree - I also run my car with my hatch full of stuff. I want to know how my car will perform as I drive it every day, including spare tires, mufflers etc. I do try to go to the track with only 1/2 tank of gas...maybe I should fill up first?

For me, I don't care how my car will run stripped, I want to know how it will run as I drive it every day - will I get cut off by that monster SUV or can I beat him and make him wait?

My best so far, a year ago, 12.77 at 107 - Sacramento Raceway.

drag racing sucks but atleast it takes away from the foolishness on the streets

I agree with the poster to an extent, but everyone has their particular motives for participating in a timed, legal drag racing event. In a nutshell, the majority do it for the sheer joy of seeing what their car is capable of, even if that means going to certain lengths to optimize the hp/weight ratio.

Drag racing to me is about ETs and terminals. Nothing else matters unless it somehow contributes to those two. Likewise when I driving on the street, launch control, flat shifting and redlining in every gear are somewhat needless, does that mean I am 'reverse cheating' or some such bull when I drive on the street?

WHen I go to the drag strip, I also have tools and a laptop, maybe I should put some ballast in the car for days I drive on the street without them!

Paul

Along that same vein, I have a WRX wagon that I have drag raced (well, actually raced once, but taken down the 1/4 mile incessantely.) Why would someone buy a WRX for drag racing, or a lead sled, or a Saturn, or a minivan....? For the love of it. I've ran my wagon down the strip with my rear seat out and sans spare maybe a total of 5 times.

Supercar driver: "what do you have in that thing?"
Dodge Magnum driver: "some tools, a surfboard, a monkey..."

;)

i drive around town without a backseat or passenger seat. i dont have a spare or subs in the trunk. e-v-e-r-y-d-a-y!

12.9 @105???
12.77 @107??

Damn I have good mph in the 1/4 but I definnately need to improve my 60ft.
I made 109 mph but only 13.0

12.9 @105???
12.77 @107??

Damn I have good mph in the 1/4 but I definnately need to improve my 60ft.
I made 109 mph but only 13.0
Thats OK, I was able to pull a 14.2@112 :huh:
Put a new clutch that still can't handle the power 12.6@116 :lol:

Plus I never have the back seat in it. Not only for wieght but it keeps people from all wanting to go in my car ;)

Every pass I made in my 04 WRX Wagon was at Full Weight. Spare and everything.

11.95@117 ;)

If you run 11.9 or 12.0, in the end who cares?
Everyone. 12.9 feels SOOOOOOOOO much better than 13.0. I could imagine more so with 11.9.

Plus I never have the back seat in it. Not only for wieght but it keeps people from all wanting to go in my car ;)
Have you felt the back seat? Both parts weigh at most 15lbs. You'll never be able to tell a difference.

Full stereo, sub, amps and all...but no spare or jack ...but all the seats in 12.84@103 1.62 60'...its in the launch...and the 105 octane!!!

Have you felt the back seat? Both parts weigh at most 15lbs. You'll never be able to tell a difference.

Wrong !!!
rear seat back 18 lbs 14 oz
bottom cushion back seat 8 lbs 8 oz
rear seat belt w/ reel assy and bolts 7 lbs 8 oz
baby seat clips with bolts and covers 7 oz
vertical rear seat braces and matting from behing seat 7 lb 3 oz
rear seat clip brackets (3) 1 lb 1 oz
transverse floor brace front edge of back seat 7 lbs
load spreader braces rear seat belt attachments 3 lbs 2 oz

If you pull the whole thing it comes to 50.7 lbs which is noticable, about equivalent to a 3 hp increase on a stock WRX.

Larry

Everyone. 12.9 feels SOOOOOOOOO much better than 13.0. I could imagine more so with 11.9.


Have you felt the back seat? Both parts weigh at most 15lbs. You'll never be able to tell a difference.
Why yes I have felt them and wieghed the car afterwards too. Plus you have all the metal brackets by the rear armrest and the cross brace. Every pound helps and if you can spare a few pounds in your car I'll be waiting at the finish line for ya then :rolleyes:

If youve just done 5 passes in a row at 12.0, you do whatever it takes to hit 11's. Nothing dishonest about it.


Unless you pull out all that stuff and say you ran stock and got into the 11's

Stock means as the car came from the factory.
Removing spare, jack, seats, and anything else make the car modified (weight reduction modified).
Same with tires/wheels. To be stock you can't swap out stock wheels/tires for lightweight wheels and drag radials and make a run and call the car stock.

I agree with the O.P.-----if you want to know what your car will run "stock" then run it stock. You can go with 1/8th tank of gas if you want and the car is still stock.

The only time I'd do that is to do a couple runs truly stock, then remove all that stuff and do a couple more runs to see what kind of improvement the weight reduction modifications did.

When I did my fmic I just took the whole bumper support off. It's stupid, but oh well. It was so heavy I'm thinking about taking the rear one off. Has to be like 80-100 between the two. Then hope I don't get hit from the front or back.

When I did my fmic I just took the whole bumper support off. It's stupid, but oh well. It was so heavy I'm thinking about taking the rear one off. Has to be like 80-100 between the two. Then hope I don't get hit from the front or back.

i wrecked mine the day i was gonna take off my front beam. car was still totalled, but salvagable. lucky for me. im still taking them off though.

Have you felt the back seat? Both parts weigh at most 15lbs. You'll never be able to tell a difference.

Wrong !!!
rear seat back 18 lbs 14 oz
bottom cushion back seat 8 lbs 8 oz

:rolleyes: 15lbs, 26lbs, I would say my guess was close. You can't feel that difference. I wasn't talking about gutting the back. But even so, 3hp isn't worth ruining the car IMO, not to mention looking gutted and still running slow times. When I see a gutted car that isn't running 10's or better I laugh. But I guess that's preference.

When I see a gutted car that isn't running 10's or better I laugh. But I guess that's preference.
My prefference was to have a 2 door 2 seat WRX but they (Subaru) didn't see fit to import them into this country. So I make due by taking out the backseat. Yeah it's a sad ass way to make a coupe but, I don't have to take any of my GF's friends with us anywere we go :disco:

Yeah it's a sad ass way to make a coupe but, I don't have to take any of my GF's friends with us anywere we go :disco:

Thats what we call foresight!

12.74 @ 105.7 with a full street trim car. Amps, sub, jack, spare, and kids seat in the back. Weighed in at 3502 with me in the car and a half tank of gas. I'm too lazy to take anything out. Just more work to do when youre done having fun at the track!

Every pass I made in my 04 WRX Wagon was at Full Weight. Spare and everything.

11.95@117 ;)

ummm...didn't you take out your TBE to install a dump pipe when u ran? :confused:

ummm...didn't you take out your TBE to install a dump pipe when u ran? :confused:

on the 11sec passes no. That was a full turbo back. only time on the dump was with the 18G. The DR55 was always run with a full exhast.

I hadn't run the dump since I was running 12.5's. After that it was full turbo back.

Ok...you have a street car. You call it a daily driver. Yet, when you want to see what it will run and take it to the track, you lighten it up by taking out subs, seats, trim, spare, jack, etc....

Obviously to run a better time. But you put all that stuff back in when you venture out to the street. Why? Bragging rights? Best slip? Your car still won't run what you ran at the track otherwise...so why even do it? It isn't a true representation of what your "street car" "daily driver" is capable of at any given moment when not at the track.

I never understood this phenomenon. I always go to the track "as-is", work on reaction time, launching, shifting, etc... It runs what it runs in street trim. If I had a track car then the misc. stuff would stay out. But to switch it out for the track on a street car seems...well....dishonest.


Why do you work on your reaction time? Reaction time is pointless IMO, it doesnt affect your ET so why bother?

Why do you work on your reaction time? Reaction time is pointless IMO, it doesnt affect your ET so why bother?
If you wanna win the race it is all important ;)

If you wanna win the race it is all important ;)

psssssssshhhh. why bother i say, working on your personal best is all that really seems worthwhile because there will always be someone faster.
Just my $0.02

psssssssshhhh. why bother i say, working on your personal best is all that really seems worthwhile because there will always be someone faster.
Just my $0.02
Then you are already there, why bother racing anymore :confused:

I have done it to try and go faster at the track.. and it works usually dont see what the mystery is.

apple nipple double post

~v6

Everyone. 12.9 feels SOOOOOOOOO much better than 13.0. I could imagine more so with 11.9.


Have you felt the back seat? Both parts weigh at most 15lbs. You'll never be able to tell a difference.


I ran 12.04@116 many many years ago so I'm the LAST person you need to explain that to. Granted I wanted that 11 second timeslip, but it didnt make any difference in the long run. Like I said before, you arent going to get anything for it either way so who cares? Unless you just built the car to brag, and if thats the case I think your a dip**** anyways ;)

And as far as you and Hotrod battling about the rear seats...

You honestly dont think you can find something more useful to do with your time that strip out the back of the car? 3hp? You can gain that by cleaning your air filter. :lol: How about investing that time in yourself and go out and practise driving for a little while? Thatway when you get a new car it was not time wasted :confused:


When your stripping weight out 99% of the time its for bragging rights and thats just plain stupid imho... but whatever. To each his own :D

~v6

i use 2 leave all subs and amps and fat heavy wheels on my ride at the 1/4 but every1 around my way take thier siht out even spare wheel. so now i jus dont have fat heavy wheels and stock cd player although i left my spare in jus in case of accidental blo out. time at 1/4 is same as time on street apart from no heavy passengers at the 1/4 and siht stereo on street

at least i have loud exhaust 4 good sounds. :lol:

Then you are already there, why bother racing anymore :confused:

Well, I'm not already there and thats my point. The more I go, the better I will get, thats all I'm saying. Just trying to improve my personal best, like a dyno, I care more about improvement since the last pull rather then a peak number.
Rick

Well, I'm not already there and thats my point. The more I go, the better I will get, thats all I'm saying. Just trying to improve my personal best, like a dyno, I care more about improvement since the last pull rather then a peak number.
Rick
You do not believe the RT is worth anything. You do not believe taking things out of your car to lighten it is worth anything and you say you are not interested in peak # just improvememt :confused:

Drag racing is all about peak #'s or lowest ET. You cannot improve unless you make your peak effort peak HP peak everything. From what you are saying it sounds more like you would be at home on the Dyno because all the things essential to a perfect QM run you say don't matter to you :confused:

You do not believe the RT is worth anything.
Nope, sure don't.

You do not believe taking things out of your car to lighten it is worth anything
I never mentioned that. I feel quite the contrary. I will do anything (with in my budget :lol: ) to hit 11's

and you say you are not interested in peak # just improvememt :confused:
-On the track I only care about improvement and attaining my goal. Not if the guy next to me is faster.
-On the dyno a 15whp gain means more to me than being able to say, "I make XXXwhp" Obviously I wont know if I make a gain w/o knowing and trying to make more power, I'd just rather see the improvement then be able to throw around a big number (like lots of people on this forum)

Drag racing is all about peak #'s or lowest ET.
We are in agreement here. Best said, "1320 is about your peak power and how close you can stay to it" read: powerband.

You cannot improve unless you make your peak effort peak HP peak everything.
Well I'm certianly not going to go down the track at 80% throttle.

From what you are saying it sounds more like you would be at home on the Dyno because all the things essential to a perfect QM run you say don't matter to you :confused:
Very not true, I'd much rather drive my car then let it sit on some rollers. Driving as fast as I can is fun for me.

Rick

Very not true, I'd much rather drive my car then let it sit on some rollers. Driving as fast as I can is fun for me.

Rick
Well my deal is to beat the car I am racing in the next lane. I have taken out 11 sec cars because I was able to tree them with a .008 RT even tho they were trapping at 128. Yeah beating your own time is good but beating the guy in the lane next to me is my main concern ;)

Well my deal is to beat the car I am racing in the next lane. I have taken out 11 sec cars because I was able to tree them with a .008 RT even tho they were trapping at 128. Yeah beating your own time is good but beating the guy in the lane next to me is my main concern ;)
You are right as usual. You will never convince some people that drag racing means that you race against someone. If they are in your class and you dont try to win then what can you say but oh well no competitive spirit. :eek:

You are right as usual. You will never convince some people that drag racing means that you race against someone. If they are in your class and you dont try to win then what can you say but oh well no competitive spirit. :eek:

Hell I've gone down the track by myself, with no one in the other lane. It just doesnt matter to me. Different strokes for different folks. I never go to the track on nights where they have drag shoot outs. I go on the test n tune nights and always thought that most guys just ran for tuning purposes and personal bests.

When I go to a test and tune day I still take it as a drag race no matter what. Yeah I hate it when I see a Supra with slicks in the next lane but then I switch to knowing I have to pull out all the stops to beat him.

So if I tree him and that lets me be the winner then you have to think I can use that no matter what. I always want a better time and mph but a better RT is part of it too. Even if you are at the top of your game if you have a 1 sec RT that takes away 1 second from my ET. So I will have gone from a 12.x to a 11.x :banana:

The worst person I ever raced pulled a 2.3 RT so I wish more guys did that cause I would be winning all the time :D

Ok...you have a street car. You call it a daily driver. Yet, when you want to see what it will run and take it to the track, you lighten it up by taking out subs, seats, trim, spare, jack, etc....

Obviously to run a better time. But you put all that stuff back in when you venture out to the street. Why? Bragging rights? Best slip? Your car still won't run what you ran at the track otherwise...so why even do it? It isn't a true representation of what your "street car" "daily driver" is capable of at any given moment when not at the track.

I never understood this phenomenon. I always go to the track "as-is", work on reaction time, launching, shifting, etc... It runs what it runs in street trim. If I had a track car then the misc. stuff would stay out. But to switch it out for the track on a street car seems...well....dishonest.

When I go to the track I leave the car exactly like it is when I'm on the street I normally run 12.3-12.5 et 109-111mph on pump gas. It all depends on how hot the TMIC gets between passes. I don't plan on taking out the subs, amp, spare tire, BABY SEAT, or any of the other junk that is in my car to get a better time. I do plan on tuning c-16 and returning to the track to know what it will run should I decide to have some weekend street fun with c-16. I like having a daily driven mid 12 second car that might be a high 11 second car on the weekends. As much as I would like a daily driven 11 second car, my turbo is just too small for that. My turbo is at FP for a rebuild/ possible upgrade so I might be able to have that 11sec daily driven WRX with the new turbo and the FMIC that sits on my bedroom floor..