i got my car tuned about a week ago at harman motive. thanks to everyone at harman motive, especially dan for everything!!

here are my mods:
td05-16g from deadbolt. (regular one, not monster ported)
sti pinks
blitz fmic
greddy intake
up/downpipe
exhaust
fuel pump
ecutek reflash

car was tuned on 91 oct. and we have seen as high as 278 whp, but it wasn't just safe w/ 91 oct.

final number is 269 whp and 25x tq running 18 lbs of boost

nice numbers for 91oct i've been looking at this turbo lately and was waiting to see if anyone had one dyno'ed yet ,also looking at having it upgraded to the 18g after a set of v6 ra gears goes in.thanks and get it to a track and let us know how you do.


mike

Yes, please go to the track! This is the turbo I am planning on getting in February and would like to see some times as well. :D :D :D

Eric

Hmm, I wonder how the 16g will do on my 2.2.

Those are some sexy numbers. Can you or Harman compare/contrast the 16G with the ever popular VF34/30???

good numbers there

i believe deadbolt mentioned to me that it should outperform the vf30/34 on all fronts basically... will spool equally as fast if not faster and make more top end while still performing very solidly in the middle range.

of course, i think he was probably referencing the 16g w/monster port and polish... and those numbers you got look to me like a vf30/34 would do on 93/94 octane with a solid tune at 18psi... so you look to be eaking just a bit ahead...

would like to see your power curve, as thats what's most important if you ask me... if you're going smaller turbo style, then you are most likely looking for a solid area under the curve for ultimate driveability and whatnot... in which case, i would not be comparing the vf vs. 16g peak figures, but compare power to power curve... which has larger area under the curve?

well... hmmm.... maybe now i think about it he said otherwise... crap... i can't remember... i know when i was looking at the "G" turbos some vender here said the above, then another said skip it and go 18 or 20... i ended up 18g to avoid as much 'boost tunability issues' as possible on the internal wastegate and bigger turbos... i had already trashed a vf30, and was basically told a 16g wouldn't be that much stronger than a 30/34 in terms of top end power... so i went the next step up...

just my .02

why spend all that money on mods, just get an STI.

Very nice! :D

I have to chime in here about Harmon, these guys are REALLY top notch! We get a lot of feedback from customers that have had bad experiences with tuners, even little irritations sometimes get brought up to us regarding tuners service, etc. We have never heard a single person say a negative thing about these guys. They really seem to know their stuff and have GREAT customer service!

i got my car tuned about a week ago at harman motive. thanks to everyone at harman motive, especially dan for everything!!

here are my mods:
td05-16g from deadbolt. (regular one, not monster ported)
sti pinks
blitz fmic
greddy intake
up/downpipe
exhaust
fuel pump
ecutek reflash

car was tuned on 91 oct. and we have seen as high as 278 whp, but it wasn't just safe w/ 91 oct.
final number is 269 whp and 25x tq running 18 lbs of boost

Could you provide info on the IDCs of the pinks? I'm looking at pretty much the same mod set and am concerned that the pinks don't leave much headroom.

I would really like to see the dyno sheet from this!! could you post it?

Dyno graph please...

How soon does it spool?

What kind of dyno do they have over there, anyway?

Dyno graph please...

How soon does it spool?

What kind of dyno do they have over there, anyway?


Think i read in another thread that it was dynojet...

it was on dynojet. i'll try to get the dynosheet posted as soon as i find a scanner...
i don't have the info on the IDC, but i think pinks are big enough for 16g, IMO.

I'd like to see your charts as well. I have a P&P 16g (17.5psi), with APS TMIC, and HKS Header. I want to see how you're spooling with a FMIC and no P&P. You don't see many 16g charts around here. http://www.shaneff.com/images/koni/dyno_gt.jpg

why spend all that money on mods, just get an STI.

Cause for less money you can smoke an STi. :) 30,XXX a year vs/ paid off WRX = no comparison.

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~changhan/dyno.jpg

Looks like we have pretty similar powerbands. I'm glad to see the p&p and wrapping my header helped retain spool similar to the stock header.

You have any AF charts? Do you know Dan's AF target was?

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Hey guys,

Thanks for the compliments Jerry - we certainly see a lot of your turbos over here. We need to hookup sometime to discuss a little turbocharger tech.

I was pleased with James' numbers - spool was quite nice.

AF targets are 11:1 which are maintained from boost onset (2800rpm) to redline. This is on 91 octane.

Regards,

Dan

all in all, i recommend harman motive to anybody that's in socal!!! ;) great tuner and service. i'm very happy with the result :D

I'm running a different kind of WRX.. automatic with a 2.5. I was able to cut a 12.674@108.01 with Jerry's P&P 16g.

I'm running a different kind of WRX.. automatic with a 2.5. I was able to cut a 12.674@108.01 with Jerry's P&P 16g.
Can you elaborate a little on your mods/tune/fuel? Thanks.

why spend all that money on mods, just get an STI.

ahahahaha my WRX with current mods eats STI's and I only spent 2500, monthly payments of 289 ahahah vs 500+ if I bought an STI...flame on

ahahahaha my WRX with current mods eats STI's and I only spent 2500, monthly payments of 289 ahahah vs 500+ if I bought an STI...flame on

That's not a really sound arguement, it's more like the bottomline comes to: If you can afford an STI, get an STI. If you can't afford one get a WRX (or get an RS and build it into a monster (IE Ispeed X-Wing) in it if you were going for a grassroots arse-whooper type setup). Now I'm not flaming you or anything; I can't afford an STI :)

ej257
ported WRX heads, WRX cams
AVO intake hose
MRT shortram
Hyperflow TMIC
Random tech DP and MP
Borla Hush cat back
GP Moto headers
Level Ten TC and VB
Perrin crank pulley
EcuTek tune by RalliSpec
modded injectors
DeadBolt TD05H-16G

That's not a really sound arguement, it's more like the bottomline comes to: If you can afford an STI, get an STI. If you can't afford one get a WRX (or get an RS and build it into a monster (IE Ispeed X-Wing) in it if you were going for a grassroots arse-whooper type setup). Now I'm not flaming you or anything; I can't afford an STI :)

Very true, it's just his whole statement makes it seem that it's pointless to spend any amount of money on any Subaru unless it was an STI, now that was not sound whatsoever.

Nice numbers. I have the 16G with a spearco fmic on my legacy along with a ton of other mods and it hauls even at the 12 psi i'm running it at until i get a fcd.

Anybody running Deadbolts Super 16g?

awesome numbers, cant wait till i get a turbo upgrade.. its probably going to be a DB 16/18g or something unless i find another turbo for an extremely good price.

BTW... peteducati

do you have any dyno numbers?

ill be running stock 96 ej20 heads/cams and a ej257 block with a few other externals.. just trying to decide which turbo i want.

Is that hp# that high for your guys with a 16g? do you know if you have a "big" or "little" 16g? my 4g63 made over 300whp with a big 16g and it was poorly tuned... I thought the scoobies were more closely matched to the DSM's than this in regards to power capabilities.

not saying those numbers are bad, they will make for a fun car just trying to correct my own ignorance of scoobies I guess.



i got my car tuned about a week ago at harman motive. thanks to everyone at harman motive, especially dan for everything!!

here are my mods:
td05-16g from deadbolt. (regular one, not monster ported)
sti pinks
blitz fmic
greddy intake
up/downpipe
exhaust
fuel pump
ecutek reflash

car was tuned on 91 oct. and we have seen as high as 278 whp, but it wasn't just safe w/ 91 oct.

final number is 269 whp and 25x tq running 18 lbs of boost

Is that hp# that high for your guys with a 16g? do you know if you have a "big" or "little" 16g? my 4g63 made over 300whp with a big 16g and it was poorly tuned... I thought the scoobies were more closely matched to the DSM's than this in regards to power capabilities.

not saying those numbers are bad, they will make for a fun car just trying to correct my own ignorance of scoobies I guess.

I've seen a DSM with HKS 264/272 cams and other supporting mods with a big 16G only make 280whp on pump gas with an everyday tune. It did have a sidemount but whatever.

Is that hp# that high for your guys with a 16g? do you know if you have a "big" or "little" 16g? my 4g63 made over 300whp with a big 16g and it was poorly tuned... I thought the scoobies were more closely matched to the DSM's than this in regards to power capabilities.

not saying those numbers are bad, they will make for a fun car just trying to correct my own ignorance of scoobies I guess.
I believe the 4G63 and EJ20 are 2 different beasts. IMHO efficiency leaning towards the 4G63. Not to mention we do not have iron blocks like the 4G63.

The numbers here are the small 16G and on 91 octane, tuned for safety.
What fuel and boost are the 4G63's using for 300whp. And are we comparing 2wd or awd whp numbers here?