Hi,

Sorry about the confusion, what I was trying to say is that my WRX made 280WHP on a Dyno Dynamic at Dyno-comp, well, it use to run 13.2@104 here in Tucson at Speed International Raceway and it I use to run 13.1@106 best time on the G-TECH.

Please read my mods and keep reading because you wouldn't belive what you are going to read next:


03 Sonic Yellow edition, 5 speed , stock 16" tires, always ran with 91Oct gas
UTEC with remote $1000
FP18G Ported and polished Turbo set at 18psi $912 plus $65 oil line
Turbo XS TMIC $925
TurboXs Up-pipe $199
HKS Downpipe $200 shipped
Greddy Evo Cat Back 3" $569
PE650CC injectors $575
Walbro 255lph fuel pump $100
STI Scoop $150
Samco hoses $150
GT Specs Intercooler splitter $90
Lineage grounding kit $110
Borla headers $300
Injen CAI $270
STI Short Shifter dealer option
Tuning sesion(Dyno plus tune) $ 420
Car was tuned by Clark (AZ Scoobie) at Dyno-comp

Well, this is the second part of the story, as many of you already know I destroyed 2 trannys in less than 2 month within 50 miles apart(I only drove 50 miles after I repaired one of the trannys when the second tranny got destroyed under hard acceleration). That was it for me and SUBARU!

I decided to trade in the WRX an get the 05 EVO MR, well, this car stock already beats my old WRX on any measurement made on the G-TECH, my EVO MR is 100% stock, I don't even have an upgrade air filter on it.
I can engage to first gear while rolling, the turbo spools 20psi at 3000rpm while my WRX use to spool at almost 5000rpm for full boost.

My point is , what a waste of WRX that I had $6000 in mods and tunning and installation of the parts were not even included on my listing, so much money dumped into it and not much out of it, 2 broken trannys and me paying for the repairs and parts, ($4500 for 2 use trannys labor and a new clutch) to make the matters worst when I did the clucth replacement on my WRX i decided to put a ACT stage one kit and a ACT 13lbs flywheel becasue as a whole it was cheaper than the stock dealer WRX clutch.

Anyway, when my second tranny went out of commision the shop called me and told me that the throw out bearing had a crack notch( the little hears that the throw-out bearings have 180 degrees apart so it can engage the fork). Guys, this happened having a branw new "upgrade" clutch and NOT luanching the car except the only and last hard acceleration in second gear which destroyed my gearbox

On a more positive note, I will post my times whenever I run my EVO MR at the track so we can all sit down and address this issue. I wish to hear your comments on why my WRX was so unsuccessfull and my EVO MR is so much different.

Please forgive me if half of thois post has nothing to do with power bragging but some how we dump too much into our cars and they are not even worth after all..


my .050c

13.2 @ 104 on an 18G with all the goodies? That just plain sucks or your driving sucked or something sucked. Is that track known for being slow? As for trannies, as we should all know by now, it's hit or miss generally due to driving habits. I've been stage 4 for a while now untuned but with easily as much (if not more) power than you and my trans is taking a beating daily (knock on wood). I dunno, just the breaks I guess. Good luck with the MR... they're sweet!! Just don't count out Subaru ;)

yea man i think its the driving and tires, tires make huge difference for acceleration, handling, and braking.

Hey, what's up. Im the guy w/ the blue 01 Impreza 2.5RS-T In Tucson.
I have learned much like you have, that it is a lot easier to buy a car that is made for big power bone stock, than to buy a slower car and mod it to be as fast as a car made for big power. Sure you can make a WRX run 11's in the quarter, but you are making the car run like it was not meant to run. It is easier and in most cases cheaper to buy an STI or EVO and have more power and a better drivetrain to begin with. I am curious to see what your Evo MR runs in the quarter in Tucson or Phoenix. I don't think it will be as fast as your WRX with all the mods on it, but you will not break the tranny and with less $ in mods your MR will be faster than your WRX was I think.

P.S. when I finally sell my car and buy an STI I will be at the drag strip and driving on Mt. Lemon a lot. See ya around.
Ryan

I don't want to call myself "bad driver", I would say just above average because when I was 12years old I use to "steal" or better say I use to "take" my mom's car for a spin when she was sleeping and you can imagine all the crazy things that a 12 year old boy could do in a private fram/ranch driving a car in dirt private roads.

STI-man,

It is not my driving at all, here in Tucson the STI do low 14's, the Supra TT do low 14's and high 13's, the Mustang GT average mid 15's and the list goes on and on. You should look under all my post and you will see the thread that I started about a EVO running 15.6 and the STI running 14.9.

Import111,

Thanks for joying my post, you know me well, you saw my car at Brakemax having the trannys replaced in fact you saw me the first day that I had my MR. Moreover me and you talked before at the track when you and me were running out cars at Speed International Raceway. Please, back me up, it sound like I am the bad driver here. You saw what i saw, the 3000GTvr4's doing mid 14's, the nissan red 350Z doing 15.6 and all that crap.

My car was just not the best car for the 1/4 mile runs, the turbo spool ewas one of the worst that you can get, almost 5000rpm and the rpm use to drop really low on each shift change.

Anyway, did you sold you RS 2.5l turbo yet? Did you get the new STI?, my car is running strong.
pssss you should pm me with your number so you can cruise with us this coming weekend..

Tucson is a very slow 1/4 mile track. 3000 elevation hurts the times badly. Just going to phoenix where the elevation is 1200 my times went from 15.9 to 15.6. At sea level they would drop another .2-.3 I am sure, and with cooler temps the times would be even lower. 13.2 1/4 mile time in Tucson in the summer is very very good. That would be a 12.5 near sea leve in cooler temps easy. I also saw STI's and Evo's running 14.5-15.9 at the track here in Tucson. I still have my 01 Impreza 2.5RS. The turbo kit was removed and I am still trying to sell the car and all the mods. When I get my STI I will PM you so we can get some kind of a drive/get together going on. I will need to practice driving a manual tranny.
Ryan

Ok , lets see who was a bad driver on 20 June 2004:


Supra TT with FMIC 14.3@104
SRT-4 14.5 100
WRX 16.4285
2000 MustangGT 15.4@91
02 vette 6 speed cams, catback intake best 13.3@105
Mustang GT99' up 16.2@86
STI 14.00@98
Camaro SS 15.9@85
mod WRX 14.4@94
Camaro SS 14.3@104
EVO 15.2@96
Tran-am WS6 14.2@100
NSX 13.9@103
97 Trans-am v8 15.0 @97
Infinity G35 15.1

GSX600cc Suzuki bike 14.1@ 110
STI again 14.0@100
RX7 TT 95'14.8@101
EVO VIII 15.7
camaro SS 15.6@91
RSX-S 15.7@90 and 16.4@87


The list goes on and on. When I go to te track, I spent 75% of the time talkning to the people and annotating the times so a 13.2@104 in a kingdon of slow ass cars is not that bad at all.

I think you're going to get flamed more and more unless you post some actual times from the same track with your MR as opposed what your g-tech reads. The MR shouldn't be making nearly as much power as your WRX was but who knows until you dyno it as well...

I think he'll run around the same times he ran with WRX+/- a tenth but lower traps.

Actualy i didn't see that the reg Evo was in 15's that's bad driving also though he'll prob run low 14's

money spent in the wrong places.. poor choice of mods :) haha, after the first tranny went i would have invested in better gears or tranny :) was the 18g a 7cm or 8cm version? if you were so worried about spool.. why did you get a 18g for a 2.0? shoulda got a 16g.. and make close to around the same hp given your psi limitations. ALSO for 6,000 dollars... thats enough for ej207 or ej257 swap..

anyways good luck with your MR.. my friend picked one up and i totally owned him in everything! haha i kidd i kidd..

Sachin,

You are correct, this post is about braggin rights and I have a obligation to take my car to the track and I will on Dec 11th because I am eager as everyone is to find out if my WRX modded was faster than my new EVO MR.

Insane STI, I only made 2 passes on my G-tech with my EVO MR, my first one was a 13.3@105 and the second was 13.1@107. Just to give you an idea how much faster the EVO MR feels remember that my best time on the WRX was 13.1@105 on the G-tech(That was my best) and I ran it about 20 times and launched hard spinning all 4 tires.

On the other note I only launched my Evo MR 2 times in a very conservative way(around 3500rpm). The gearing of the 6 speed of the EVO's MR, the incredible fast spool high boost combined with the exceptional torque at all rpms mades the EVO MR get a higher trap speed than my WRX.

In the past when I took my WRX and my other daily driver car(91 Eclipse GSX) to the track I was able to be 1-2 tenths of a second off the actual track times. The G-tech Pro is a good reference.

ScoobyImpreza,

I guess that you must analize my situation before we can speculate. Whe I got my WRX there was no STI available, the money was not an issue, $6k extra for an STI was not that bad.
Either way you look at it I was $ucked because if you go and upgrade just the engine to a ej25 the tranny is going to go, if you spent the few grand on beefing up the tranny then your budget for engine mods drops and viceversa.

You said that after the first gearbox I should rebuilt the gearbox to an upgrade one. Ok let me tell you something, I try rebuilding the gearbox with the STI RA Specs gears and as everyone knows on this entire forum there was no STI RA gears to be found, ALL the shop were back ordered with this gears. My options were challack , dog box, aps gears and all this crap which cost even more thousand of dollars. The 6 Speed STI jdm used gearboxes were not an option because they were around $3700 plus another $500-$1000 on diferential and driveshaft parts to make them fit on your car. The stock tranny was $3100 plus tax at the dealer..

I ended up putting a used gearbox and I was feed up of the car so I said , well, if I just go and put a used gearbox I can just sell the car as it is but disaster happened, the second tranny did not last 2 weeks, the second gear broke under hard acceleration. As per you comment about that I put the wrong parts, well, I must disagree, I put good parts on it, I have it tuned by a guy that have tuned hundreds of WRX's and EvO'S (Clark AZ scoobie).

Going back to the subject of WRX vs EVO MR, I will not speculate any more and I will take the car to the track so we can compare. You guys have eneough information on my post to make your own judgement but if I manage to get equal or better time than my WRX that would seriously raise question.

my.002

lol at your stock tranny launching so many times hard with 280whp with wheels spinning :).

you are dumping hard on a tranny made for normal starts with around 70% less power. I am surprised it even made that many launches.

then not realizing your mistake...you did it again
:confused:

I am still trying to figure out who buys a WRX for the sole purpose of 1/4 times. yeah it can do pretty good, throw a couple lighter mods (stage 2) and you have a pretty quick little car which is a good daily driver, four doors, AWD.

get a car designed for this stuff....like a mustang and start modding it.

the Evo MR is great, not knocking it at all. but you should be comparing an Sti with it (well even an Sti with mods actually). Or try getting a forged engine, upgraded tranny and turbo on the WRX.

I'm sorry running 280whp on a WRX and proceeding to do hard launch after hard launch until the tranny breaks then doing the same thing again is just asisnine.

im curious how much you paid for the mr here in az......i looked at two, one in the autotrader for $38,500 and the other at the dealer for around the same! i paid $21,9 for my wagon new...

I am curious to see what numbers you MR puts down on the dyno and what times in the 1/4 mile. I know dyno's read diffrently but on Vishnu's Dyno dinamics (which is the same dyno you used) the new MR is putting down around 205-208whp. I have a vf22 wrx with all the supporting mods and I am putting down 250whp on the same dyno. I can see where your 18g is putting out 280whp on the same dyno. What I dont get is how you can say that you MR is as fast as you wrx with all of those mods? I guess we will wait for the dyno and 1/4 mile results. Although I do agree with you about spending all the money on upgrades is not worth it. But then you have to look at where you started and what your goals are? I think that if you want 300whp + then the wrx is not a good platform to start with unless you want to spend a lot of money. Anyways we can go back and forth on this all day. Enjoy your MR and let us know how fast it really is!!

Oh man now I remember this track where everyone does horrible. They should really blow it up or something :p

Cant wait to see the times for the MR! Should be interesting. That Tuscon track is one of the slowest in the country by far. A low 13 is really doing something and this guy can drive guys.

Cya

Clark

I guess its all about what you want to do.

If you want to be a gunslinger dont bring a knife to your gunfights. :confused:

I can think of a ton of cars that i'd rather be tracking autoX or drag than a WRX.... even for the money.

My rex is a great DD with a little extra to make it interesting. Thats it!!. The day I take it to the track and expect more I need to be prepared to to be disappointed because there's always faster.

-K

I was under the impression that the MR wouldn't be any faster than the normal EVO. Ours is not much if at all more powerful, and I remember in best motoring the 6-speed gave worse track times.

There must be a huge difference between Firebird and Speedworld here in Phoenix and SIR in Tucson. I put 282whp on the same dyno at Dyno Comp, and ran a 12.74 @ 106 with a slipping clutch. I'll have to make the drive down to Tucson and do some runs.

Good luck with the new MR and let us know how she performs in the future.

Just yesterday, I witnessed an EVO MR with XEDE and Vishnu cat-back put down 258whp on a dyno-dynamics. This was on pump 93 oct and a good (but not balls-out) tune. (http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=111169)

I don't see how a stock MR will get anywhere near 280whp on a DD...and considering an '03 wrx weights a good bit less than an EVO.... :confused:

haha, well that is correct: the EVO MR is a better car than the wrx. Heck, it is a better car than the STI.

THAT'S WHY IT COSTS MORE.

come on folks, there's no shame in admiting the truth. The main reasons I see for owning a WRX compared to an EVO is the Subaru brand loyalty factor, which IMO is pretty big because I would say a lot of people like the direction the company is heading, and the general product line of Subaru, much better than Mitsubishi.

How much did you pay for your EVO?

Why did you expect EVO performance from a WRX?

Even the regular EVO destroys the WRX performance wise. The EVO is a serious threat to an STi, I dont know if this is news to you, but its pretty much fact.

Comparing an EVO MR to a WRX even tho its built is still pretty useless....

Anyone that discounts an EVO, MR or not, is only fooling themself anyway.

~v6

My co-worker got a 05 MR last month . He paid $35,000 ! For a MITSUBISHI ! It made 260 HP stock on out Land and Sea dyno . We put the following mods on it . Intake , Turbo back exhaust , Boost controller , SlowBoy Racing FMIC and AFC II . We tuned it to a solid 12:1 Air Fuel . It made 356 HP . It lasted three week of hard driving and the clutch was spent . Then last night He threw a rod bearing and blew the turbo seal ! Now the car is back at the dealership completely stock and getting looked at for waranty work . The car does get driven very hard but he didnt even add 100 HP to it and then all hell started to break loose with it . I paid $32,000 for my STI and made 375 HP and it never had a problem untill I was a tool and gave it too much boost after running two 12.0 second passes tryning to hit 11s . The EVO 5 is way too much money for what it is . You could have made your wrx as fast as the evo if you picked the right parts and had a solid tune . And you still would have had money left over to keep replacing your stock tranny with another stock one ! and another ! and another ! Good luck with your MR and the infomous glass tranny !

Just yesterday, I witnessed an EVO MR with XEDE and Vishnu cat-back put down 258whp on a dyno-dynamics. This was on pump 93 oct and a good (but not balls-out) tune. (http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=111169)

I don't see how a stock MR will get anywhere near 280whp on a DD...and considering an '03 wrx weights a good bit less than an EVO.... :confused:

Please dont flame me for joining your forums. But that MR your talking about is mine. On a stock configuration I was able to pull 225 whp and on shoot out mode (fhp it pulled an shocking 290 fhp instead of the claimed 276 fhp) As far as mods, cooter is right, I have a vishnu cat back only, off there sig series exhaust line up and an xede with a very moderate or conservative tune that laned 258 whp. All tunes where done on 93 octane gas.

Any question please feel free to message me.
thank you
Brandon

Thanks guys for responding my original post.

Ptaaty, you wrote:

I'm sorry running 280whp on a WRX and proceeding to do hard launch after hard launch until the tranny breaks then doing the same thing again is just asisnine.

Well, let me tell you that I never launched my car at all after the second tranny, all that I did was to start slow on first let it roll untill about 15mph them hit the gas pedal until engine reved to red line then shifted to second in which the tranny blew up at that instant. I was aware that I was "breaking-in" the new ACT clutch so I was not launching the car at all.

There is a remark to say, it was the ONLY time that I reved the engine high and it happened.. the tranny gave up one the first,only and last attempt.


Wgnwheel ,

I paid $36800 out the door for the MR(taxes,registration,shipping delivery destination). That is not a bad deal comparing it with my 03 WRX Sonic Yelow wich was $28600 out of the door with 3 or 4 silly options so for $8000 difference you get:

much more power,accelertion, braking and handling
17x8" forged aluminium BBS rims(3lbs lighter than the stock EVO ENKEI'S)
6 speed
HID
intelligent traction control adjustable for snow,gravel or tarmac
bigol ass Yokohama high grip soft compund tires 235's
Recaro seats
Biltsein suspension
Brembo brakes
Rear cabon fiber spoiler
Vortex generator for down force
tripple sport meter kit(boost,oil temp,voltmeter)
Carbon fiber parking brake handle
Aluminium gear shifter
MOMO 3 spoke aluminium steering wheel
adjustable electrical headlights
Rear glass wiper
short throw shifter
Teflon coated shifting cables

but overall the retail value of this specific model speaks for itself, moreover the EVO MR is so much torqui than the WRX.

The STI was a good option for the price, I really like the STI a lot, in fact it is a good competitor of the MR but I must speak clear and loud, the Local SUBARU dealer let me down big time. When I first got my car I installed an air filter and I took the car to the dealer because of something very silly about the boost. The dealer refused to see my car under the warranty, they want to charge me $85 just to look at it. It was ridiculous, they will not look at my car unless I put everything back to original.

Months later when I went to see them to have my first gearbox repair there they told me clear and simple that they were not going to install new parts on a known modified car. To me that was it, SUBARU is over for me. I like my car but I hate the ****y customer service.

InfamousDX,

Speed International Raceway(Tucson) just resurfaced their track after 7 years.

KINPIN (Clark),

I was going to call you this month to have my EVO MR tune there in Phoenix like the last time that you did my tunning on my WRX at Dyno-comp. I am waiting for the arrival of the TurboXs turbo back and I already have the short air intake MBC and walbro fuel pump.

Cap cruch,

I have 2 test of the MR, one is from road and track and they got a 12.9@107.6 the other one is a comparison vs the STI, this time they got 13.2@103. In two ocasions the MR got more horsepower to the wheels than the STI. Road and Track 6whp more and Motor and Trend got 4 WHP more as well. A Spanish magazine tested a AWD EVO and got 311 crank HP.

Please go to www.evolutionm.net and look under forums and general, you will see that the 05's EVO are putting significantly more power than the 03's and 04's, remember the turbo was redesigned more more torque, more boost at lower rpm and the computer was improved as well.

my .50c

Hi again,


I decided to make this game fair so to back up my statement about my EVO MR feelings as fast or faster than my previous 280whp Dyno-Dynamic I will go ahead and take my car 100% stock to the track just to see what it can do.

I am burning to know what times I can get from a baseline...

Import111,

I hope to see you on the 11th at the track so you can be my witness for good or for bad.

My old 262whp dyno-dynamic wrx > all stock US spec EVOs

C

This thread is lost in emotion.

The real question to ask here is to Clark: Does DynoComp's DD read higher than Dyno4mance or Vishnu? Meaning, does it have a correction factor or a different calibration that makes it read more like a Dynojet? If not, than I can say with confidence that a 280whp Dyno Dynamics WRX will smoke the doors off a stock MR. Even if it reads like a Dynojet, 280whp is more than a stock MR can handle.

Now back onto the modification topic, whoever said that Evos can't handle mods is being a blind brand loyal nazi. The broken modded MR listed above is an extremely abnormal situation. In 24,000 miles with approx ~265 Dynojet HP, I went through 1 tranny in my WRX, which went at 6000 miles; totally my fault. Now with 100whp beyond that in my Evo, I've had zero mechanical failures at 24,000 miles, and am still even on the stock clutch, which is by far the most weak spot in the driveline.

I had a WRX wagon with a VF30 and loved it, but it only took me $550 in mods to my Evo to surpass my WRX's best time at the dragstrip. Granted, neither car was tuned the best they could be at that time, but that's all hindsight. I love all WRXes and Evos, but they do things very differently.

This is cool, somehow this thread has been pretty flame-free. Sonicowrx has been pretty impartial and factual, and I appreciate that.

Since you put in your the costs of the MR OTD and multiple evo owners have chimed in, I can only assume that this thread was posted on evolutionm or something. 35, 36k OTD is starting to approach Vette-territory methinks? I've always held the viewpoint that if you only had to own ONE car, an EVO would it. But this pricetage is starting to push it.

Did any of you consider a Vette, the new GenIV powered GTO or an Elise for the price?

The real question to ask here is to Clark: Does DynoComp's DD read higher than Dyno4mance or Vishnu? Meaning, does it have a correction factor or a different calibration that makes it read more like a Dynojet? If not, than I can say with confidence that a 280whp Dyno Dynamics WRX will smoke the doors off a stock MR. Even if it reads like a Dynojet, 280whp is more than a stock MR can handle.


That would be a good place to start. If I remember correctly Vishnu's own mid-high 12's Stage 2 is claimed 250-255whp on their DD dyno, and as companies like TXS did testing of the 18g vs. vf30 on pump gas, I really doubt the 18G is so much stronger in reality based on his trap speeds as well...

I have noticed that on the wrx some of the owners that have upgraded their clutch and not their tranny have blown up their tranny. The new clutch grabs a lot harder than the stock clutch. I had a friend just the ohter day with only tbe and uppipe and an ecutek reflash blew up his second gear shifting at 5k rpms in 1st to 2nd. He has an upgraded afternmartket clutch. I guess it also depends on how you drive it?

Oh by the way 28k for a wrx out the door is a lot. I only paid 25k out the door with some options and painted side skirts and an alarm. So that would make an evo mr 13k more. Jsut a thought?

13.2 at that track, being faster than a modded vette, isn't bad at all, you probably won't run much faster than 15.0 stock in the MR. if you would have taken that wrx to an average track with average conditions it sounds like it'd be a low 12 second wrx....

Did any of you consider a Vette, the new GenIV powered GTO or an Elise for the price?

Its been nearly ten years since you could buy a Vette for 35 grand. An Elise is super awesome, but its $42,000.

As far as the GTO, I wouldn't pay $20,000 for one.

This is me (the originator of the post),

My car WRX weighted 3042lbs empty with less than 1/8 of gas in the tank and 3230lbs with me on it.

I am the type of guy that want to drive the car everyday so I belive that in real world it is more fair to get times in the 1/4 track as you were driving your car on the streets. This means that I haven't reduced the weight of the car or put special high octane gas or put slicks.

As Clark(AZScoobie or Kinpin) said, a 13.2@104 with 91 oct gas, full interior, stock tires16" with 22k miles on it at 3100feet and in the middle of the Summer(20 June) is a heck of a time believe me, you only get to see 2 or 3 cars breaking into the 12's in this track and that is with slicks,weight reduction and high octane gas.

As per WRX's, there was an automatic stock that ran about 6 or 7 passes consistently running 16.3@85. My buddies WRX'S ran mid 14's to mid 15's with typical mods(turboback,air filter mbc)

There was only one blue WRX that was puting 265whp on a Dyno- Dynamic with a VF22 , fmic, sti pinks ,turboback and all the other mods but his best was against me and he did 13.6@102 when I did 13.2@104.78.

I really started thinking about getting rid of my car(WRX) when I went to the track on 24Sep 2004(Midnight Madness at SIR Tucson) and I ran my Eclipse GSX. I am saying that because I ran all night long 14.3@95 with my 91 Eclipse that weighted 3110lbs empty(more than my WRX) and the only mods that I had was the 2.5" turbo back,K&N air filter,mbc and bigger version of stock turbo.

My Eclipse had a slippy clucth but again I got way better times than the other 4 WRX's compiting.

Verc,

$36800 does not get you in the new Vette territory at all. The most basic Vette is $43750 add shippind/delivering destination then add about $3000 for taxes and registration and that will go up to around $48000 without options.

An considr your self lucky because about 2 yeras ago they took away the luxury tax for cars over $40k. Have you ever seem one at the dealer at all? You should go and see it first, I went to see them but I take the older Z06 any time instead of the new vette


Last but not least I strongly believe that the MR that I own now can get same or even better times on the track bacause of this:

1) I tested my old WRX with the G-tech pro and the times were very consistent with my track times, the G-tech normally shows you a couple of tenths faster and about 1-2 miles faster. My best on the G-TECH was 13.0-13.1@105 on my WRX . My EVO did a 13.3@105 and a 13.1@107, that was the only 2 times that I luanched my EVO MR ever and the launching was very conservative (no burning tires).
2) The EVO has a incredible engineering with the engine and tranny, the designed the gears so that you get instant full torque full spool high boost at any gear
3) I think that the EVO MR could do a little better on the 60' because of the great 235's tires and traction control
4) The shifting on this car is similar to a motorcycle, when it reaches full boost it goes to the red line in spectacular rate then when you shift to the next gear the rpms are close to the red line again and so on.

On the other hand my WRX was the other way around, very very laggy,no response under 4500rpm and between shift the rpm use to drop so much that it had to start spooling up again and so on.

11TH Dec is the day!!

This is me (the originator of the post),

My car WRX weighted 3042lbs empty with less than 1/8 of gas in the tank and 3230lbs with me on it.

I am the type of guy that want to drive the car everyday so I belive that in real world it is more fair to get times in the 1/4 track as you were driving your car on the streets. This means that I haven't reduced the weight of the car or put special high octane gas or put slicks.

As Clark(AZScoobie or Kinpin) said, a 13.2@104 with 91 oct gas, full interior, stock tires16" with 22k miles on it at 3100feet and in the middle of the Summer(20 June) is a heck of a time believe me, you only get to see 2 or 3 cars breaking into the 12's in this track and that is with slicks,weight reduction and high octane gas.

As per WRX's, there was an automatic stock that ran about 6 or 7 passes consistently running 16.3@85. My buddies WRX'S ran mid 14's to mid 15's with typical mods(turboback,air filter mbc)

There was only one blue WRX that was puting 265whp on a Dyno- Dynamic with a VF22 , fmic, sti pinks ,turboback and all the other mods but his best was against me and he did 13.6@102 when I did 13.2@104.78.

I really started thinking about getting rid of my car(WRX) when I went to the track on 24Sep 2004(Midnight Madness at SIR Tucson) and I ran my Eclipse GSX. I am saying that because I ran all night long 14.3@95 with my 91 Eclipse that weighted 3110lbs empty(more than my WRX) and the only mods that I had was the 2.5" turbo back,K&N air filter,mbc and bigger version of stock turbo.

My Eclipse had a slippy clucth but again I got way better times than the other 4 WRX's compiting.

Verc,

$36800 does not get you in the new Vette territory at all. The most basic Vette is $43750 add shippind/delivering destination then add about $3000 for taxes and registration and that will go up to around $48000 without options.

An considr your self lucky because about 2 yeras ago they took away the luxury tax for cars over $40k. Have you ever seem one at the dealer at all? You should go and see it first, I went to see them but I take the older Z06 any time instead of the new vette


Last but not least I strongly believe that the MR that I own now can get same or even better times on the track bacause of this:

1) I tested my old WRX with the G-tech pro and the times were very consistent with my track times, the G-tech normally shows you a couple of tenths faster and about 1-2 miles faster. My best on the G-TECH was 13.0-13.1@105 on my WRX . My EVO did a 13.3@105 and a 13.1@107, that was the only 2 times that I luanched my EVO MR ever and the launching was very conservative (no burning tires).
2) The EVO has a incredible engineering with the engine and tranny, the designed the gears so that you get instant full torque full spool high boost at any gear
3) I think that the EVO MR could do a little better on the 60' because of the great 235's tires and traction control
4) The shifting on this car is similar to a motorcycle, when it reaches full boost it goes to the red line in spectacular rate then when you shift to the next gear the rpms are close to the red line again and so on.

On the other hand my WRX was the other way around, very very laggy,no response under 4500rpm and between shift the rpm use to drop so much that it had to start spooling up again and so on.

11TH Dec is the day!!


Part of your lag issue is that you put a large turbo on your 2.0l wrx. If you put the 16g on the wrx, like the one that is on your evo, then I am sure you would get spool up in the 3k rpm range. YOu would also get around the same dyno numbers I am sure. I am not saying that the wrx is better by any means but you need to look at some of your comparisons a little better. I am actually a big fan of the evo, just a little out of my price range at the time.

Part of your lag issue is that you put a large turbo on your 2.0l wrx. If you put the 16g on the wrx, like the one that is on your evo, then I am sure you would get spool up in the 3k rpm range.

The 16G is physically gigantic compared to an ihi turbo, not sure about an 18G, though. The MR has a 10.5 hot side, which I *think* is bigger than the 18G's hotside. With the longer exhaust path of an EJ205, there is no way you could fully spool a 16G at 3000rpm. You could get closer with an EJ257, but even if spool is that early, the torque stream will be later.

Even completely modded as far as a 16G can go on my Evo, I don't hit full torque until 5000rpm on my pump map. I peak at 4000rpm on race gas. Peak power on the other hand is at a very usable 6800 or 6500, respectively. An MR will peak earlier, especially with exhaust work. These 4G63 cars need cam gears to really wake up.

I didnt realize that the evo's 16g was that different then the 16g that you would put on a wrx. Sorry for the misinfo. If anyone else can elaborate more on the turbo I wuold like to hear more.

I have no idea what kinda 16G you'd put on a WRX, since the turbo's orientation is completely different. The MY2003 and 2004 Evo VIII 16G has a 68mm TD05 housing with a 9.8cm^2 hotside. The MY2005s have a revised wastegate and the bigger 10.5cm^2 hotside. Several older iterations of the 16G (on 4G63s) were from 8cm^2 all the way up to 10.5cm^2.

To make matters more confusing, the 6.5 RS and Tommi Makinen edition cars overseas had lightweight titanium center sections for faster spooling and better heat resistance. There are more iterations of the 16G than there are colors in the rainbow.

I'm kinda late in the thread, but....lookin @ this from a logical standpoint-

EVO MR's on a DD dyno---225-230 HP STOCK...and run mid to low 13's @ GREAT TRACKS with perfect conditions

Sonics WRX--280 hp on a DD DYNO..low 13's @ one of the slowest tracks in the country...most likely a solid MID 12 second car @ Sacramento or Bakersfield.

But Sonics talkin about his MR rippin his old WRX...like almost that MR should run LOW 12's/11's STOCK @ a decent track??

Kinda funny :confused:
Don't get me wrong i'm not tryyin to flame here...

Congrats on Ur EVO.... :D

MARKGSTI,

You wrote:

But Sonics talkin about his MR rippin his old WRX...like almost that MR should run LOW 12's/11's STOCK @ a decent track??


Well, I am saying that I expect a very low 13's if lucky enough a 12.9 with a strike of luck. The WRX use to push hard in the upper rpm band, perhaps a bit stronger than the EVO but the G-tech was my first line of reference, my old WRX and my EVO are very close on the times and identical from 0-120mph according to the G-tech, perhaps the EVO MR got it by 1-2mph on the trap speed.

This whole thing is quite interesting but I would take my STi over any of the Evo/s Its funny how The Evo has the adjustable HIDs and traction control. I'm not with the "Samurai " warrior facia Look ,but I will say this the leather option on the Evo is smooth. My Stage 4 wrx was fast but there is nothing better than buying a car that comes for the factory fast. :D

Well, I am saying that I expect a very low 13's if lucky enough a 12.9 with a strike of luck. .
I'm assuming thats low 13's @ ur track???......
Those times shouldn't be a problem @ one of the local tracks here in Nor Cal.

I hear EVOs tend to be harder to lauch then WRXs for some reason?

Ne ways good luck, have fun :D :banana:

if you're just talking about speed and going faster than the evolution MR, i'm sure that if you installed the STi 6-speed or even the STi RA gearset (let's just say $5000 for a good used one) then a 18G, intercooler, ECU tune, injectors which is wayyyy less than $3000, i'm sure that you would be faster, if not, just as fast as an evolution. now, after blowing that first tranny, i think it would've been wiser to just upgrade the gearset and get closer ratios. just because you have high horsepower doesn't necessarily mean that the car will be faster. it's how you put the power to the ground via the transmission. if you take the 5-speed evolution compared to the STi 6-speed, although the STi is putting out more HP as compared to the evolution, the closer gear ratios of the evolution are using the powerband much more efficiently with one gear less. which is why many road race cars have different gear ratio set-ups depending on the track. if you want to reach top speed, then the gear ratios are much farther apart (now, take that on the quarter mile and it won't matter if you have a 500hp car, it won't be able to put that HP to the ground in time). you'd probably still be in first gear by the time you reach the finish line. :lol: so it's a combination of HP and gear ratios that make a fast car, well most of the time.

if you're just talking about speed and going faster than the evolution MR, i'm sure that if you installed the STi 6-speed or even the STi RA gearset (let's just say $5000 for a good used one) then a 18G, intercooler, ECU tune, injectors which is wayyyy less than $3000, i'm sure that you would be faster, if not, just as fast as an evolution. now, after blowing that first tranny, i think it would've been wiser to just upgrade the gearset and get closer ratios. just because you have high horsepower doesn't necessarily mean that the car will be faster. it's how you put the power to the ground via the transmission. if you take the 5-speed evolution compared to the STi 6-speed, although the STi is putting out more HP as compared to the evolution, the closer gear ratios of the evolution are using the powerband much more efficiently with one gear less. which is why many road race cars have different gear ratio set-ups depending on the track. if you want to reach top speed, then the gear ratios are much farther apart (now, take that on the quarter mile and it won't matter if you have a 500hp car, it won't be able to put that HP to the ground in time). you'd probably still be in first gear by the time you reach the finish line. :lol: so it's a combination of HP and gear ratios that make a fast car, well most of the time.

Are we talking about the Evo MR with the 6 speed? not the Evo with the 5 speed?

Are we talking about the Evo MR with the 6 speed? not the Evo with the 5 speed?

the poster is talking about the Evolution MR which comes with a 6-speed. however, i was using the US Evolution which utilizes a 5-speed close gear ratio box can compete with the US STi 6-speed although it has a bit less HP than the STi. so basing that on the fact that the poster had a high HP WRX, due to the crappy gear ratios that the WRX has as compared to the close 6-speed gear ratios that the MR has, bottom line, the MR is using it's power band much more effectively than the WRX. i think that if the poster changed his gear ratios, i'm sure he would've been much happier. it's funny because most people think that just because you have a lot of HP, they forget the fact that you still have to get that HP the ground in order for it to be effective. this is why you can't predict quarter mile runs just by using a dyno.

sonicwrx03

did u know the mr also has mitsubishi racing (MR) cams. same spec as the hks cams if im not mistaken
jfyi

sonicwrx03

did u know the mr also has mitsubishi racing (MR) cams. same spec as the hks cams if im not mistaken
jfyi

Bzzzzzt; wrong!

sonicwrx03

did u know the mr also has mitsubishi racing (MR) cams. same spec as the hks cams if im not mistaken
jfyi


no, i'm sure it still retains the same hollow camshafts as the RS evolution models.

As far as I know the cams on my stock MR are hollow. I don't know who makes them though..

i still haven't seen a carshow evo that looks as cool as a carshow wrx... i know no one really cares, but i do actually car how my car looks, and i think the wrx just looks better...

riddle me this though... what was your total cost walking out of the dealership with the MR? and your total cost leaving the showroom with the WRX and then dumping the mod money-- keeping in mind it looks like you've over-dumped mod money, and that broken tranny business after 50 miles is just bs... my STOCK tranny still isn't broken, and i have same mods, FMIC, made more power than you (at 19 psi though) but i run all day on n.east 94 octane at 22psi... so i bet my car runs fast as if not faster than an MR in the 1/4 for

$26500 out the showroom,
95 fuel pump
300 sti pinks (today could pay dirt and mod your own injectors easily)
975 utec
1400 perrin fmic (could pay $400 less and still get a good fmic)
300 gtspec headers/uppipe combo (arguably don't add much HP depending on who you ask)
1050 catless TXS exhaust
950 FP18G
450 better low profile tires
150 for at least an EGT gauge
400 radiator (not required, but a good idea if you wanna do run after run and stay cool)

all of it easy bolt-on labor... not even fair to count labor $$ invested here-- do at least this much yourself or i call you a puss. i hadn't changed a single drop of oil in my life before 10/2001... every mod you see on my car (form and function) is there cuz i followed this and that instruction manual and cranked the nuts and bolts and put it there... its been a huge part of the fun!

$32,750........... not to bad a price to run faster than a stock STi, faster than a stock EVO, and i'm thinking probably will be faster than a stock EVO MR.... now i know when i shopped around mitsu's showroom just looking at stock evos over 1yr ago they were stickered and markup'd to 36,000... so i know you didn't get an MR for no $33,000...............

(not saying you do not have a better format for future upgrades-- just that you claim the $$$ dumping on the wrx is not effective, but remember, you started with less car (and spent less to start), spent about the same in the end for a wrx that runs a 1/4 faster than an EVO)...

the evo still hands the wrx its ass in handling and and braking on road course... but i'm sure for another $4000 my wrx is all of a sudden much closer in handling to the evo and sti... maybe not as good, and yes upgrading cars is hard, but you cease to be much of a tuner if you go out and buy an MR and just sit on it stock, or just buy an exhaust for it. i guess its about what you're looking for to begin with... if you wanted amazing without customization, the wrx was the wrong car for you....

when i bought my wrx in october of 2001, it was amazing w/out customization...the market at that time was very different. As time drew on, the amazingness waned, so i customized...

the MR's amazingness will wane too, just give it time, then what will you do??? its a never ending cycle. as long as car enthusiasts are buying these types of cars, car manufacturers will always be putting out the next best thing to trump the car you just dropped a bundle on two years before....

:)

I see your point, but playing the mod game against a slightly more expensive Evo is dangerous, as they have a lot of OE hardware that can take them further.

2004 Evo RS $26,850 out the door after TTL
Turbo (dump)-back exhaust: $850
HKS cams: $550
Cam gears: $200
10.5 hotside: $240
Lower IC pipe: $200
XEDE w/ XEDEflash and custom tune: $1000
Boost Gauge: $100
Rear swaybar: $180
Walbro 255 pump: $100
Japanese MR DV: $150
Stock airbox, stock paper filter, stock tires, stock injectors, (mostly) stock turbo, and a stock intercooler.

$30,420 for a mid/high eleven second car that'll trap 115-118mph and doubles as a road race weapon. Add $2000 for the standard Evo (GSR), and the tally is still less than your WRX investment with performance in another world. This setup is good for ~360 dynojet wheel horsepower on pump fuel.

I loved my WRX, but its not nearly as cheap to make one as fast in every facet.

Rexronald,

I read your post 3 times. This is part of what you wrote:

ok well...

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i still haven't seen a carshow evo that looks as cool as a carshow wrx... i know no one really cares, but i do actually car how my car looks, and i think the wrx just looks better...

riddle me this though... what was your total cost walking out of the dealership with the MR? and your total cost leaving the showroom with the WRX and then dumping the mod money-- keeping in mind it looks like you've over-dumped mod money, and that broken tranny business after 50 miles is just bs... my STOCK tranny still isn't broken, and i have same mods, FMIC, made more power than you (at 19 psi though) but i run all day on n.east 94 octane at 22psi... so i bet my car runs fast as if not faster than an MR in the 1/4 for

$26500 out the showroom,
95 fuel pump
300 sti pinks (today could pay dirt and mod your own injectors easily)
975 utec
1400 perrin fmic (could pay $400 less and still get a good fmic)
300 gtspec headers/uppipe combo (arguably don't add much HP depending on who you ask)
1050 catless TXS exhaust
950 FP18G
450 better low profile tires
150 for at least an EGT gauge
400 radiator (not required, but a good idea if you wanna do run after run and stay cool)

all of it easy bolt-on labor... not even fair to count labor $$ invested here-- do at least this much yourself or i call you a puss. i hadn't changed a single drop of oil in my life before 10/2001... every mod you see on my car (form and function) is there cuz i followed this and that instruction manual and cranked the nuts and bolts and put it there... its been a huge part of the fun!



This is my response to REXRonald:


1) There will be 50% of the people that say that the EVO show cars are nicers, then there is another 50% that think that the WRX are nicer then there is people like me that had and have both and think that both cars are nice.

2) You are saying that if I am not capable of doing my mods I am a puss$? I don't get it man, why do I have to be a puss$? I did some of the mods myself but because I have 2 jobs I don't have that much spare time to get that much involve into the installation and removal but think twice, what about the people that don't have the means to do the job, people that don't have the tools, don't have the time or simply don't want to get involve and want the easy way (pay someone to do it)? Do you have to call them ***** also?

3) I went to mechanic vocational school in Europe for 4 years and never finished because I joined the Army there but a few years later I worked in a car shop and that does not make me a puss$ just because I decided to not do some of the maintenance on my own car

4) You never said what type of Dyno you made 295whp. I made 280.3whp ona Dyno-Dynamic which reads around 310-315whp on a Dynojet. I did that on 6 June in a hot a$$ summer in Phoenix using 91Oct and not 94 like you plus my car had no fans what so ever pointing the intercooler unlike you that probably had a bigol' fan in front of the Front Mount Intercooler.
Had i put 94 octane crank the boost to 19psi(from18psi) and had some kind off fan in top ogf my intercooler and I would had made 295WHP without a problem.

4) You said that the tranny breaking after 50 miles was bull****? . Please call www.kinpinperformnace.com and talk to Mike and Clark(AZSCOOBIE) also call BRAKEMAX in Tucson (520)7450666
Kinpinperformance sold me two good working trannys from 2 customers that upgraded their trannys and I already knew that they were used but it was my responsability.

Once you break your tranny you will be like me and other hundreds perhaps thousands or WRX owners looking for an upgrade that will run you a few grand just to keep your car "decent". You will be waiting for months on the waiting list just to get a basic STI RA spec gear set, remember, you CAN'T drive because your second gear is broke or because first gear would'nt engage or whatever case might be.

Then , without your car running and with a limited budget what are you going to do? are you going to get a dog box for $4k plus labor? maybe a Challack gearbox for a few grand as well? or a used STI Spec 7 for almost 4$k? or maybe you want a stock tranny from the dealer which is $3100 plus tax?or what? You see , you think that you discovered the fire.. like I said before you will be in mi situation and the situation of hundreds of people like me.
You think that you are invencible because you are still with the stock tranny and stage 4..

So assume another few hundred dollars to the tranny repair to upgrade your clucth like I did so that the clutch last a decent time with your Stage4 power. After all then you will realize that the STI or the EVO MR were and are as fast or faster than your WRX plus more durable.

5) as per you bet, yes I don't doubt that your car can run faster than the MR. I never say that the MR was much faster that the STI or the regular EVO's I think that it is very close perhaps it has a small advantage .

For your info, I did the installation of these items :

Intrax springs myself
boost gauge myself
walbro fuel pump
samco intercooler hoses
EGT myself
custom made water sprinkler for the intercooler
headers
TMIC Intercooler
Full Exhaust
radio installation with custom box in the back
STI scoop and GT TMIC splitter
CAI
bov
Removal of UTEC and remote switch
installation of APR carbon fiber mirrors
MBC
Lineage grounding kit
Zerosports spoiler raiser

What I paid to install was

UTEC with remote switch
TurboXS Up-pipe
FP18G Turbo
PE650CC injectors

you're wrx should be faster than the MR. nuff,said!!

maybe. I don't know at this point. Until I take the car to the track on the 11th Dec I can't speculate much. If I can do better than a 13.2@104.78 on my MR then I can say that my old highly modded WRX was crap compared to the stock MR

i can't see how the MR would do better than your old wrx. the wrx have more whp than the MR, unless the MR is rated at 280whp also. :confused:

For your info, my WRX was a disaster tranny wise, when you were rolling in town around 20mph you couldn't shift to fist at all you have to almost reduce the speed to 5mph in order to engage fist gear.

If you were in second gear below 45mph and trying to accelerate it will take forever to keep moving but now if you were in first,second , third or any gear and you have the A/C on the car will take several seconds to start , I repeat to start reving up so it could start building boost.

I have to often launch the car as if I was at the track just to get the car moving in a traffic light or stop once the car was in the 4500rpm then the engine will respond violenty.

I know that eveyone here has the mental picture of a 280whp 3042lbs car that suppose to outrun just about anything, well, the WRX always lacked on torque in the lower middle end, the MR puts already nearly 300lbs or torque and the engine response is just unbelieveable, the turbo spools superfast, the response is instantly, the torque is massive, the gears are awsome, the car launches very fast on any gear with A/C on or without it, this cars just moves faster there is no doubt about it.

I am the one that drives it everyday, the WRX was only good for a straight line and a very narrow type of driving so you could rev the engine all the way to the red line then shift and do it again to avoid turbolack, the MR is ready for better town driving and 1/4 mile however I do regret about putting the FP18G turbo on my WRX.
My WRX was running very fast and nice before I did the Turbo, injector, computer ,fuel pump and tunning. I had no problems of launching the car before, my spool up was crazy low just about 3000rpm full boost, the car would move on any gear but the down side was that the boost would vanish as you were getting clodse to the redline. No many complaints that I can say before I did the turbo conversion.

How do u break a tranny with a stage 4, b/c i have one and never hurt anything, then again i dont do man launches, i just take off fast......Can u hurt ur tranny by just taking off fast??

For your info, my WRX was a disaster tranny wise, when you were rolling in town around 20mph you couldn't shift to fist at all you have to almost reduce the speed to 5mph in order to engage fist gear.

If you were in second gear below 45mph and trying to accelerate it will take forever to keep moving but now if you were in first,second , third or any gear and you have the A/C on the car will take several seconds to start , I repeat to start reving up so it could start building boost.

I have to often launch the car as if I was at the track just to get the car moving in a traffic light or stop once the car was in the 4500rpm then the engine will respond violenty.

I know that eveyone here has the mental picture of a 280whp 3042lbs car that suppose to outrun just about anything, well, the WRX always lacked on torque in the lower middle end, the MR puts already nearly 300lbs or torque and the engine response is just unbelieveable, the turbo spools superfast, the response is instantly, the torque is massive, the gears are awsome, the car launches very fast on any gear with A/C on or without it, this cars just moves faster there is no doubt about it.

I am the one that drives it everyday, the WRX was only good for a straight line and a very narrow type of driving so you could rev the engine all the way to the red line then shift and do it again to avoid turbolack, the MR is ready for better town driving and 1/4 mile however I do regret about putting the FP18G turbo on my WRX.
My WRX was running very fast and nice before I did the Turbo, injector, computer ,fuel pump and tunning. I had no problems of launching the car before, my spool up was crazy low just about 3000rpm full boost, the car would move on any gear but the down side was that the boost would vanish as you were getting clodse to the redline. No many complaints that I can say before I did the turbo conversion.



WHy dont u like the 18g turbo..I have one and it is so mutch better than and ihi 30, 34 or 22 in my opinion...Spools for so long

For your info, my WRX was a disaster tranny wise, when you were rolling in town around 20mph you couldn't shift to fist at all you have to almost reduce the speed to 5mph in order to engage fist gear.

If you were in second gear below 45mph and trying to accelerate it will take forever to keep moving but now if you were in first,second , third or any gear and you have the A/C on the car will take several seconds to start , I repeat to start reving up so it could start building boost.

I have to often launch the car as if I was at the track just to get the car moving in a traffic light or stop once the car was in the 4500rpm then the engine will respond violenty.

I know that eveyone here has the mental picture of a 280whp 3042lbs car that suppose to outrun just about anything, well, the WRX always lacked on torque in the lower middle end, the MR puts already nearly 300lbs or torque and the engine response is just unbelieveable, the turbo spools superfast, the response is instantly, the torque is massive, the gears are awsome, the car launches very fast on any gear with A/C on or without it, this cars just moves faster there is no doubt about it.

I am the one that drives it everyday, the WRX was only good for a straight line and a very narrow type of driving so you could rev the engine all the way to the red line then shift and do it again to avoid turbolack, the MR is ready for better town driving and 1/4 mile however I do regret about putting the FP18G turbo on my WRX.
My WRX was running very fast and nice before I did the Turbo, injector, computer ,fuel pump and tunning. I had no problems of launching the car before, my spool up was crazy low just about 3000rpm full boost, the car would move on any gear but the down side was that the boost would vanish as you were getting clodse to the redline. No many complaints that I can say before I did the turbo conversion.

What 18g do you have? I was under the impression that the 18g was at full boost at 4k rpm's at the most. Some say it was comparable spool up wise to the vf30 and vf22? I guess if you werent at full boost until 5k, it doesnt make for too much ussable power. I can see why you like the Evo so much and the more usable power that you have now. I still htink that in a straight line that your wrx should be faster but who knows?

which is why i stated earlier that if you re-did your gear ratios after your first blown tranny, then i'm pretty sure that you would've been very very satisfied with your set-up. i think even with the RA gearset which will still retain your 5-speed gearbox you'd be pulling harder than any other, and like i said earlier, the gear ratios are what keeps your rpm's in the sweet spot of the engine. 280whp with crappy gear ratios (hence regular wrx ratios) = poor acceleration. now 280whp with close gear ratios (possibly 6-speed gearbox) = big smile!!!

Hi,

Sorry that I let you guys down, I showed up to the track at 1800hours and the track was close. That was very gay because I have never seen a track closing so early even though they opened at 8am. I was eager to run my MR for the first time because last month I was still doing the break-in, I had a friend with me that was going to record the runs with a camcorder and a digital camera and I was also going to weight the car as well.

Unfortunately I now have to go to Firebird International Raceway in Phoenix to run the car soon.

But for those of you that always questioned the times on this awful track here are a couple of runs of my buddy that has a 95 RX7 TT stock and got a 15.5@97 and a 15.6@92 he also drives a 95 Stealth TT putting down 468whp on Dyno dynamic dynoed at Dyno-comp (Phoenix) (second highest number read on that Dyno at that shop.

Another of my friends with a 03gt mustang plus $35000 on mods is putting 520whp untuned and managed a modest 12.52@111 at the same track the same day running high octane gas and DR 315's in the back.
Stay tune as I will run my EVO MR soon and will compare with my older WRX times(13.2@104.72)

I was looking for you at the track Saturday, now I know why you didn't show up. I didn't find out it was going on so early until a couple days before. Just remember that Phoenix is 0.3 faster in the quarter mile due to the 1200 elevation as opposed to our 3014 elevation at the Tucson track. It could even be 0.4. I ran both tracks at same outdoor temps and humidity and my car was all the same accept in Tucson I took out the spare tire, jack, trunk lining. In Phoenix, my car had everything in it. So what ever times U get in Phoenix, add 0.3 - 0.4 to compare to your Tucson times w/ the WRX.
Ryan

P.S. I still have not sold my 2.5RS yet. I am getting very anxious to buy an STI.

Yes, please report us how you did when you run your EVO MR! I can not believe I read full 3 page worth of stuff. That just shows I have interest in EVO MR as well.

Write more about your EVO MR now that your break-in period is over...

sonicyellow.........

two cars
evo 8 with stupid money invested
wrx stupid money invested

my car the wrx had pretty much the same stuff that you had, stg 4 car, at the dyno the evo puts down 385whp dyno jet, my car 326whp. at the same street race track, the cars set exactly the same times around the lap, maybe the MR just suites your driving style better, the cars will be able to set the same times around any track just gotta grab them by the scruff of the neck. Straight line stuff, not for me, but there was no difference between my car and the evo until after 120mph they are a dead heat so i dont know where your wrx lacked all the torque and power that the evo has, i will place my title on the line in full knowledge that my friends evo will walk all over the MR, so have fun with the new toy but dont tell us that a good car aint good,

Keep her between the hedges

Ive read this whole post and was checking back to see if the MR did outperform the old wrx. Too bad the track was closed.

The EVO MR is truly an awesome car, and Im glad youre happy with the purchase. If i had the money, I too would have started with a better platform (sti instead of wrx), as it is sure to cost less and outperform in the longrun when highly modified.

However, I seriously doubt the MR is going to top your old wrx (in straight line performance, as thats all thats been mentioned). Its agreed that you run at an unusually slow track. Here are some times you posted to help prove how slow your track is:

STI 14.00@98
STI again 14.0@100

Evo's and STI's are constantly compared because of similar performance right? So exactly how could your EVO shave .8 off an STI's time? If you manage a 13.2 stock, thats not far off from a magazine time. So does that mean you'd be comfortably in the 12's at a good track? I dont see it happening. While G-tech times are valuable for comparing before and after mods on a single car, I dont trust them at all comparing two different vehicles.

Lastly, everyone chooses a different path for mods. Where you buy the most expensive catback in the world, the poorest downpipe design on the market (hks), and a $270 intake, the next guy keeps a stock intake and has a turboback made for a few hundred. Im sorry to hear about your transmission problems. It is a constant worry for myself and most other modified WRX's, but if/when it goes I sure wont upgrade the clutch and throw in another stock tranny!

Now take that beast out to a real track and get your money's worth, leave the straight line 1/4 mile racing to mustangs

Evo's and STI's are constantly compared because of similar performance right? So exactly how could your EVO shave .8 off an STI's time? If you manage a 13.2 stock, thats not far off from a magazine time. So does that mean you'd be comfortably in the 12's at a good track? I dont see it happening. While G-tech times are valuable for comparing before and after mods on a single car, I dont trust them at all comparing two different vehicles.


Those 14 second times where from the middle of june.

The 13.3 were in cold weather.