I wasn't sure what forum to post this in...but I just read it and it pisses me off.

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70931&highlight=sti

These guys are so high and mighty about their friggin' Corvettes. My uncle owns an '01 z06 and he's always got to be the best and fastest. He's gonna get a nice surprise when my Cobb stage 2 STi rips him off the line and he can't catch up at the track next season. :devil:

But it annoys me how arrogant these people are about "Our place in the food chain" and things of that nature. Does it piss anyone else off when you read things like that?

I suppose maybe I should elaborate a bit...

More of what I mean is that they're so hung up on their Corvette status that they fail to recognize any other fast car out there. The z06's may be quicker than the STi's, but I don't think it's a rape, especially considering the driver skill of some people out there.

Some of the z06 guys will give the STi the respect it deserves, but many have the attitude shown in that thread. It's not as if we're driving some little cheap Jap car, the price for the STi is not too far off that of a z06, and I'd say it's more of an all around car than the Vette is, as well.

Maybe our little 4 bangers (Which can EASILY produce as much torque as their 8cylinders) haven't been around long enough to shut a few of these guys up. I'm gonna aim for some at the track next season though...maybe that will make some of them talk.

Just remember that the STi doesn't need to slow down for speed bumps. One of our local guys has a Z06 and an STi and says they are both great cars in their own way, but you can't compare them to each other because they are so different.

whats so bad about that thread? :confused: ive seen more arrogance on this board.

I suppose maybe I should elaborate a bit...

More of what I mean is that they're so hung up on their Corvette status that they fail to recognize any other fast car out there. The z06's may be quicker than the STi's, but I don't think it's a rape, especially considering the driver skill of some people out there.

Some of the z06 guys will give the STi the respect it deserves, but many have the attitude shown in that thread. It's not as if we're driving some little cheap Jap car, the price for the STi is not too far off that of a z06, and I'd say it's more of an all around car than the Vette is, as well.

Maybe our little 4 bangers (Which can EASILY produce as much torque as their 8cylinders) haven't been around long enough to shut a few of these guys up. I'm gonna aim for some at the track next season though...maybe that will make some of them talk.

I know what you mean, but stock for stock, a Z06 will rape a stock STi from a stop or roll at the track... They really are not in the same league. Sure, once the mods start, things can be equalised somewhat, but it isn't like those cars can't be modded either.

The STi is not priced anywhere near the z06. I don't know where you get that from. Isn't the z06, correct me if i'm wrong, more than 50k? Thats over $20,000 in difference, surely the z06 will have more grunt than the STi. I love my wrx, but you have to be honest, z06s have a lot over STis when it comes to roadracing, they're built for it. But still, they act like people can't mod STis and get huge power gains like they can.... wheres that t-67 wrx vs. z06 video again, the one where the z06 guy gets pissed that he lost? Its the one where they are suppose to race for $500 but the z06 guy never pays up and ends up just getting mad...someone should find that video and then post it on that z06 forums thread...
:lol:

I think that Corvette drivers do deserve some respect, since they are driving what equates to a factory 12 second car. These guys like power, and style. Hell, for the $30g a C5 is worth, I would pick one up (if I didn't have so many damn kids). Bottom line is that we're driving 4 banger imports, and they're driving big american v8's. We could run 12's all day long and they still wouldn't accept us, the gap is too big.

So I decided not to give a damn, and laugh my ass off when I'd surprise a vette in my old integra.
:D

Your a noob...

When I was in FL with my WRX a guy pulled up next to me in a Z06 (w/exhaust). I pulled off the line on him (as he wasnt expecting so much go from such a stupid looking automobile i assume) and i was out in front of him until I shifted 3rd gear. By then he went from about 2-3 cars back at the start to being about a half a car back when I let off and he went BLASTING by me. We stop at the next light and before he even got the chance to make an excuse I said "I know, I know" as in I knew he was about to SPANK past me. He was amazed at how bad I killed him off the line, I was amazed at how fast he was reeling me in once I hit third :lol: We gave eachother props and went on our own ways. Mind you this was down in richy rich land (aka Boca Raton FL)

The moral of the story? Subaru's are quick, Vettes are FAST.

The STi is barely enough to hold off a qualified driver in a Z06 in the 1/8th mile. But put a moron in the vette... Then they might be in trouble. Stage 2 AP... I bet it would be close.

and of course it will burn half the vette owners asses. Most of them buy the car just to say they have one (thinking its the baddest thing on the road too)
When you mess with one you could very well entirely destroy the false sense of power (and or coolness) that Vette owner recieved when he overpaid so dearly for said car. ;)

~v6

Yeah rape is a good term when your talking10mph faster stock.

The Z06 vs STi stock for stock... Maybe the STi will win...
































If its snowing out.

~v6

...for the $30g a C5 is worth...

That's where I get the price comparison. Even if you're talking used z06, I think my uncle paid just over 30k for his '01 which only has like 12k miles on it.

As far as 12 second cars from the factory go...The STi's do 13.2 - 13.3's, that's not THAT far off for a 4 door family sedan which can be driven year-round (unlike a z06).

I know there's plenty of arrogance on this board, but at least fast cars are given respect. There's guys posting about their Cobra's doing 11 second 1/4's on NASIOC, and while some say they don't like Mustangs, nobody is like OMGG FORD SUCKS HE SHOULD KNOW HIS PLACE ON THE FOOD CHAINNNNN. Which is esentially what's being said on the z06 forums.

That's how I see it, anyways.

The STi is not priced anywhere near the z06. I don't know where you get that from. Isn't the z06, correct me if i'm wrong, more than 50k? Thats over $20,000 in difference, surely the z06 will have more grunt than the STi. I love my wrx, but you have to be honest, z06s have a lot over STis when it comes to roadracing, they're built for it. But still, they act like people can't mod STis and get huge power gains like they can.... wheres that t-67 wrx vs. z06 video again, the one where the z06 guy gets pissed that he lost? Its the one where they are suppose to race for $500 but the z06 guy never pays up and ends up just getting mad...someone should find that video and then post it on that z06 forums thread...
:lol:
Not for nothing but that kid in the Z06 was a toolbox and should NOT have lost.

That T-67 car ran mid 12's at the track.

A Z06 can easily do that.

Thats not a very good example. I can only imagine how many STi's have been POUNDED on becuase of their jerkoff owners.

I would say from the observation about 30% of STi owners I have met can actually use the car as it was designed. I see far too many jaGoffz with BOV's and fart cans on STi's than I see riced out Z06's too :p :lol:

~v6

New Cobras absolutely whoop the STi's ass power wise also.

I want to know why so many suby owners refuse to accept that regaurdless of how poor you think these cars handle, or how heavy they are, or whatever the excuse is you guys just refuse to accept the fact that cars like the Z06 and the S/C Cobra will POUND our cars powerwise mod for mod.

Who cares? Why must it always be a big contest?

~v6

whats so bad about that thread? :confused: ive seen more arrogance on this board.

i will agree with you on that.

on the other hand, there is no telling someone who owns a v8 that they can be beat by anthing other than the space shuttle. don't even try, don't bother wasting the breath on them... it's a v8, it can't lose EVER.

if someone beats me in a race of any kind, it means they probably spent more money. good for you buddy. :)

I'm not comparing Cobra's to STi's, the example I made was that Cobra people can come on here and be respected because it's a fast car, but STi's are thrown up all over when they're talked about on a z06 board. These people are ONLY taking straight line speed into consideration, no other aspect of the car. And they're also refusing the possibility of our cars being made as fast as theirs, which is an extremely easy thing to do.

Power wise...I'm sure none of the z06 owners will acknowledge the fact that with 2 modifications (and around $800 in my case), STi's put out 385torque on Cobb's dyno. That's not an embarrasingly low number compared to a stock Vette.

I dont know if you noticed... but YOU are the one thats all excited about the corvette guys...

Did you decied to stay home and smoke crack today? ;)

~v6

I just think it's annoying when people get high and mighty to the point where they don't even acknowledge other cars as being fast. I think the granola bar, gray haired, glasses wearing, flannel-shirted, psychologist looking Subaru driver is still prominent to those less-educated about the WRX's/STi's, and even the new LGT's and whatnot.

I guess they don't look at the 300hp/300torque, 0-60 in 4.6 seconds straight off of the showroom floor (4 Cylinder!). I believe SCC said it was faster than a Ferrari 565M, Porsche 911 Carrera, and Maserati Spyder. I guess it's still only a Subaru though...

i'd save up for r34 and rape them z06. until then.. we can rape z06 on sand

A NON-Z06 Corvette is the STI's equal. And it'll murder it from a roll. This has been gone over a hundred times.

STI is a very nice package. But it takes a ton of mods to run with a well-driven Z06 at the strip. Those cars are capable of 12.0 @ 117 mph bone stock. Stock regular Corvettes have gone 12.9 @ 109 with the a good driver and track.

A NON-Z06 Corvette is the STI's equal. And it'll murder it from a roll. This has been gone over a hundred times.

STI is a very nice package. But it takes a ton of mods to run with a well-driven Z06 at the strip. Those cars are capable of 12.0 @ 117 mph bone stock. Stock regular Corvettes have gone 12.9 @ 109 with the a good driver and track.

The majority of people who own z06's I'm sure cannot hit those times in stock form. A "ton" of mods is a far stretch. I'm sure a custom tune with a few breathing mods and some other misc. stuff will net some pretty rediculous numbers. Cobb stage 2 should bring in 12.7's and 12.8's on an STi...and I've never seen a stock regular Vette hit 12.9's.

There's a local STI driver here who could barely run a 13 second quarter mile. I've seen a fat guy in a blue corvette run 14.0's all day at our local track too. Bad drivers are in every car. We're talking CARS, not DRIVERS.

Figure BEST case, you've got a freak of an STI and you're running a 12.9 @ 104 or something

BEST case you're in a Z06 and you're running 11.9 @ 118 or something.

That's talking 20G turbo, fuel system, tuning, race gas, etc etcn an STI... That's a ton of mods in my book. You can't just slap an MBC on one and drop the exhaust and run 11's.

It's not even a fair comparison.

****, guys have gone 12's in a regular C5 at almost 110 miles an hour.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0410htp_zo/

1. I remember a day not too long ago when 4 cyl. cars weren't even on the radar for V8 drivers. Now they're talking, and any high-and-mighty attitude ultimately equates to two things: fear and insecurity. Enjoy it. ;)

2. Who cares. And I really mean that - in the long run, who cares if somebody thinks the car you drive is a POS? Did you buy it to impress them? There will always be people that think your car sucks, and internet forums only bring those people out of the woodwork because they can be annonymous behind a keyboard - these are the same people that keep their mouths shut at a track for fear of being called out.

3. Comparing cars is ultimately an exercise in imagination and debate skills rather than hard, concrete numbers, so it's a losing battle to begin with. Two of the same car will make different power, and then you add the human factor and you have a never-ending debate with no clear resolution.

In my somewhat limited experience, knowing how to drive what you got is far more valuable than having a fast car. I've beaten cars I shouldn't because I can drive mine. I've also lost to some slower but extremely well driven vehicles, and I can accept the fact that I got out driven in those instances.

Lets keep in mind the noobs that get an STi, modify it and STILL cant get stock numbers out of it...

Power wise...I'm sure none of the z06 owners will acknowledge the fact that with 2 modifications (and around $800 in my case), STi's put out 385torque on Cobb's dyno. That's not an embarrasingly low number compared to a stock Vette.

The problem with that statement is that with your modded STi you were still about ½ second slower than stock.

You think because you have "xxx" dyno power means anything? I'll still beat you in a race with you having the power advantage. :devil:

Power means nothing if you cannot put it to the ground.

~v6

Lets keep in mind the noobs that get an STi, modify it and STILL cant get stock numbers out of it...



The problem with that statement is that with your modded STi you were still about ½ second slower than stock.

You think because you have "xxx" dyno power means anything? I'll still beat you in a race with you having the power advantage. :devil:

Power means nothing if you cannot put it to the ground.

~v6

? I haven't run the STi modded yet, and stock I did a 13.5 my first time ever down the track...with a leaky blow off valve. I'm not sure I understand your statement.

i'd save up for r34 and rape them z06. until then.. we can rape z06 on sand

Yea... Ok... :rolleyes: the R34 is NOT that fast out of the box, and its heavy. The only pull the R34 has is its exclusivity.

Stock vs. Stock, the Z06 is faster, enough said... don't get into "well if I take that $20,000 difference and put mods." Yada yada, if you have $50k to buy a car in the first place, I don't think you're looking into an STi and I'm sure you have another car to drive in the winter.

Keith

Yea... Ok... :rolleyes: the R34 is NOT that fast out of the box, and its heavy. The only pull the R34 has is its exclusivity.

Keith
My thoughts exactly. An STi is faster than an R34 stock.

~v6

? I haven't run the STi modded yet, and stock I did a 13.5 my first time ever down the track...with a leaky blow off valve. I'm not sure I understand your statement.
I stand corrected, I had you confused with someone else that ran 13.7 with a few minor mods.

Now im qurious who I have you mixed up with.

Your the guy that modded the car and made it slower than stock. :lol: ;)

13.5@100 with a low 1.7 sixty footer = :confused:

~v6

I stand corrected, I had you confused with someone else that ran 13.7 with a few minor mods.

Now im qurious who I have you mixed up with.

~v6

RR? :lol:

RR? :lol:

:lol: I dont know if you can change your own oil so I couldnt say for sure.

~v6

:lol: I dont know if you can change your own oil so I couldnt say for sure.

~v6

Well, I do my own suspension, exhaust, stereos, uppipes (back in wrx days), and just about anything else.

I may not be able to figure out the oil, though. :banana:

stupid comparisons.......z06: 2 seater, sports sedan, v8. sti: 4 door, big trunk, take the kids, friends and their crap wherever is any weather and still have 300hp...two different cars for two different people! id be happier with the much more versitile sti than a z06 in which i'd need another vehicle to support its uselessness, other than pure driving enjoyment.

OK will some1 please post the video of the race where the STI owns a zo6 and zr1 on the track...it was recently posted...that will shut them up

Ok i have the video but i don't know how to put it on...i think some 1 needs to host it

2 months ago, i beat a z06 at an autocross. i have an 02 wrx with cobb stage 2 AP. it wasn't the short course, it was a longer spread ouy one. i think my best time to his best time was like 6 or 7 seconds. i'm also not that good of a driver.

other side of the story (since most crap here on nabisco is horrible biased). the guy with the z06 was probably late 30's and i think it was one of those situations where he bought it expecting the car to be the best thing ever and drive itself. also, i was beat by a trans am (or firebird, i think it was a ram air), a camaro, and an M3. the 2 american muscles both have more money in mods than i paid for my car and mods together. they beat me by almost 10 seconds.

i'm not saying the wrx is faster, we all know its not. i'm just saying that a z06 with a tool behind the wheel is nothing when you add some turns. the only way to compare cars is to use the same driver.

EDIT: nothing against people in their 30's. this guy is in the military and thats when people in the military usually have enough money for such cars. the camaro and trans am drivers were older than him.


josh

Wooah, this post touched a nerve.

Let me tell you.......I'm old.....at least a lot older than most of you all.

I remember when Camaro/TransAm came out new with the super 'mod' 6.6 L designation on there non-functional hood scoop. I "tuned", if you can call it that, all sorts of Mustangs, GTO, Chargers....yadda yada.

I can tell you this about American Muscle--> any idiot can stuff a bus/tractor engine in a gigantic engine bay and squeal some rubber onto the pavement. These are the same idiots that drive 4WD SUVs with giant tires in Florida. Can be done, is not should be done.

The US built the finest automobile engines in the world in the late 1960's and then never again. The rest of the car was just a bunch of overbuilt steel parts. These "muscle" guys are stuck in the late sixties with their grey pony tails and a little grass stashed away in the freezer (just in case).

Ferrari yes, Porsche yes, even BMW, Mercedes, Saab, and Honda, these are some engineering marvels. These are the pinnacles of automotive design.

It's like comparing a swiss watch to Big Ben. Hand's down the Rolex is the sight to behold, not some extra big clock (I can get one of those at IKEA).

Yeah these guys like extra big clocks.....did I say 'clock'....I meant 'c......

New Cobras absolutely whoop the STi's ass power wise also.

I want to know why so many suby owners refuse to accept that regaurdless of how poor you think these cars handle, or how heavy they are, or whatever the excuse is you guys just refuse to accept the fact that cars like the Z06 and the S/C Cobra will POUND our cars powerwise mod for mod.

Who cares? Why must it always be a big contest?

~v6
This is my first post on NASIOC.
I love my STi. It really is an awsome vehicle.

V6- Well said man.
I've been reading on NASIOC for a long time. (Just recently sigend up) It's scary to read sometimes.
I have to check every once in a while, I swear this is a BNR34 forum at times.

Nice to meet everyone.
Abdi

Nomex suit is zipped up all the way. :D

Just to step away from the drag strip for a sec... An F360 and Z06 are close on a track. Similar power/weight, purpose, design, execution, etc. With F360s tending to nudge out Z06s.

An aquaintence of mine got an STi a while back, and was invited to a track day at BeaveRun when a Ferarri club rented it out for a day. He took his bone stock STi, and proceeded to beat all manner of Ferarris that day. (Mostly F360's)

Part of this is no doubt a result of driver skill, but even cars seemingly more adept for road courses aren't invincible against out little 'rice-burning' 4 bangers.

STi doesn't exactly embarass itself at the strip, but thats definately not its strong point.

whats so bad about that thread? :confused: ive seen more arrogance on this board. :confused: some of guys are far worse. If you want to race a Z06 look for alternative motoring 1320 event plenty of Z06's on deck and some of the guys can't drive all that well :lol:

whats so bad about that thread? :confused: ive seen more arrogance on this board. :huh: I agree

The argument that most of the "My scoob crushes all" crowd fails to make in these wonderful threads.....is that our sleds do not have to be faster to be better !! You'r $30,000 STI....returns such a better value for the $ spent then anything GM has ever thought of. THat's probably why thev'e bought into FHI.....but that's another story.

And if I see one more "hail to the Cobra" thread........
A supercharged v8 that's fast ! Good lord...who da thought. :furious:

Actually they could have and should have been building N/A V8's that run that good Stock...for a long time. But no.....fords real accomplishment has been to fight Chysler for the crown of the worst quality/managed/engineered manufacturer of the big 3. Here's an Idea....how about using the resources of the oh so precious "SVT program" to actually deliver a quality product to all the ripped off Americans who've bought their ignorant garbage over the years ! GM is about 2 clicks better. Neither one of them deserve to be spending their time doing anything but correcting their decades of pathetic incompetence.

If they came out with a 9 second street car tomorrow..that sold for 18K....I'd pull up to the lot...and proceed to relieve myself on the door handles. To throw money at either one of those brands..is equal to saying it's Ok to build ******* and guilt americans into buying it with their "Buy American" slogans.

Stand proud...you of the Subaru. Your car is better. And there is no argument to that.

And to those that say the argument of $50 K worth of STI is not a fair comparison to $50 K of Zo6....than I say what if Subaru decided to get into that price range/market of a 2 seater 1 trick pony ? How do you think that would stack up against GM's $50 K.

Exactly !!

I am sorry if i pissed of some of you guys with my post. I am not arrogant or self centered, the post was driven by a sense of excitement. The guy in the subaru made my day by acknoldging the Z06 as a supercar. That was it to me. I agree with most of you that the subaru is a very well made car and is fast in its league.

Now not that id come to your forum and start talking **** to most of you. But anyone thinking that an STI and a Z06 is close should look at the performance figures and realize what the deal is. It would take a lot of mods as most have said to run with a stock Z06. Yes the Z06 has 4 extra cylinders but you have two turbos to help you make up the difference. Still i find the STI to be a really good car. My car is a daily driver and i drive it during rain and sunshine no problem yet. Someone else also posted that the two cars are not even close, one is a sports car two seater the other is a four door 'sport' sedan.

The sticker price of a Z06 is 54K but in the past two years many people were able to get them for near invoice(44K)

The guy who said good cars were made in the 60s. You need to wake up buddy. I could list the specs of a Z06 and tire you with endless neat features and combos it offers.

Again i am not arrogant and would like people to get the idea out of their heads that vette owners are stuck up. I can answer your questions about a Z06 if you are intersted. I just would like to turn this into a postive post.

STis are running off a single turbo ;) Just to clear up some facts :)

I think most of us have put it into perspective for the ones saying the "STi Rules All"... its no competition.

$30k car, awesome bang for the buck, vs. $50k car... oranges to apples.

Man...Yeah,watever the Z06 is faster.
But, why did we get our STis??
For at least me, I have been a subaru fan for like how many years...I just love the Subies, coz of its styling and its look. And the look of Z06 :huh: .
There is always something better...so i guess just take it easy.
I am always happy in my STi, even I am stuck behind a Rio.
STi is a jap car :banana: :banana:
That's all it is about.
Cheap import, 100% made in Japan...still cheaper than 100% domestic made Z06. The extra 20K, you can almost get another EVO too. It's aite~

This is an interesting thread. I'd say that as much bang for the buck as the STi offers for 30K, the Z06 offers for 50K. Both cars do well at the drag strip and on a road course, and both are refined enough to drive daily.

Maybe I'm biased because I have a WRX and my pops has a C5, but I've never understood the tension between the two groups. Both 'vette and STi owners are buying great bang-for-the-buck packages and still getting reasonable drivability to boot.

Given the chance, I'd have an STi and a 'vette in the garage because I love sliding sideways around a dirt road as much as roasting a perfectly good set of rear tires. In the end, it's all about enjoying performance that the majority of car buyers out there will never experience.

Man...Yeah,watever the Z06 is faster.
But, why did we get our STis??
For at least me, I have been a subaru fan for like how many years...I just love the Subies, coz of its styling and its look. And the look of Z06 :huh: .
There is always something better...so i guess just take it easy.
I am always happy in my STi, even I am stuck behind a Rio.
STi is a jap car :banana: :banana:
That's all it is about.
Cheap import, 100% made in Japan...still cheaper than 100% domestic made Z06. The extra 20K, you can almost get another EVO too. It's aite~


What ?

The vid that MomoWRX mentioned earlier is on this site along with some other excellent quality in car footage.
http://www.gofastpilots.com/infineon_video_102304.htm

Momo, I didn't end up hosting it since the 43MB file you sent me was only part of the larger 106MB file on the site above.

i'd save up for r34 and rape them z06. until then.. we can rape z06 on sand

Sand... snow... and SPEED BUMPS!!!

Heh - seriously, most everyone here has a decent point- many, but certainly not all, Vette guys can be uhhh... a bit "high and mighty"- but hey! They're not the only ones!
THere's heaps of "my Subaru can beat anything out there" twits as well.
A lot of it comes down to driver talent and conditions, obviously.

A coupla weeks ago I was behind a Z06 on a nice twisty section of road (Skyline for anybody in PDX), but it was very wet out and the road has numerous well-placed speed bumps. He was in front and continuously tried to pull away- but he couldn't because of the wet road and speed bumps. Jesus- they practically hafta stop the car and get out and push to get them over those!!! :lol: :lol:
I swear you could see the smoke from his frustration (at not being able to lose the "racer boy" in his mirror) coming out of his ears!! :devil:
He was SO mad! He'd spin his tires every now and then trying to put some distance between us. Hee hee hee!!

Now, if we were on the track... prolly a different story. (Although last month I beat one Z06 and was in turn obliterated by another....)

Russ R

Would you rather have to go slow over a speedbump, or have your ride height = 4x4

What happens when you put coil overs on the STI and slam it 2"?

I see far too many jaGoffz with BOV's and fart cans on STi's than I see riced out Z06's too :p :lol:

~v6


This would be Nytmare, z06 will win.

The vid that MomoWRX mentioned earlier is on this site along with some other excellent quality in car footage.
http://www.gofastpilots.com/infineon_video_102304.htm

Momo, I didn't end up hosting it since the 43MB file you sent me was only part of the larger 106MB file on the site above.


Its ok...you found it. For all you GM guys, go to this site if you think the STI is no comp on a race track

Some1 please post this in their forum

Its ok...you found it. For all you GM guys, go to this site if you think the STI is no comp on a race track

Some1 please post this in their forum



you, and the discusisions thread in general, are quite meaningless.

I read that thread in the corvette forum. With the exception of the "food chain" post that thread was pretty nice. Many of the Z06 owners praised sport compacts.

And, as V6 has cared to mention many times before, a built turbo'd C5-R block derivative or built turbo'd stroked Viper destroys all, and that is the end of the story. Why bother argueing?

But for what it's worth, if you bought an STI ONLY because you hate domestics, and the STI happens to be the "fastest" import, and you need spank corvettes, you are one sad, sad little man who needs to get some hobbies and priorities straight in life...

I THINK I HAVE THE BIGGEST DICK OUT OF ALL OF YOU!!!!! :p

Oh wait, what am I thinking, chicks don't have dicks. :lol:

The majority of people who own z06's I'm sure cannot hit those times in stock form. A "ton" of mods is a far stretch. I'm sure a custom tune with a few breathing mods and some other misc. stuff will net some pretty rediculous numbers. Cobb stage 2 should bring in 12.7's and 12.8's on an STi...and I've never seen a stock regular Vette hit 12.9's.

I've seen a couple in IL.

whaaaa I hate GM whaaaa I hate Ford Whaaaaaa To funny...

Am I the only one who is willing to say that I think not only both the Z06 and STi are great, but so are so many other cars these days. I will even say it, the SRT-4 is great. Supras are great and so are Cobras. To me they all seem to fit someone, some purpose, and make sense in their own way.

Most of the tension is really toward the 'stereotypical' owner of a given model of cars. All of the bashing against SRT-4s on this board is usually really aimed toward the typical juvenile idiot that thinks they have the fastest car on the road. We saw all of this when the STi first came out and other forums started having their STi threads. The Porsche forums mostly dogged us with only a few people defending it, the Lambo owners just laughed. The Ferrari owners showed the most class with a lot of them actually saying they bought an STi to go along with their Modena (some actually claimed to enjoy driving the STi more). There is the obvious give and take on what makes cars different (better and worse); it is usually the stereotype of the respective owners that causes all of this tension. Just keep it to the image of the owners and this thread will make more sense; but will still be a waste of time.

offset

I have to say after reading this post all of our collective IQs are now lower. . . .

I don't even understand why anyone would argue about Z06 vs. STI. It is silly. Who cares who has the fastest car. I have put lots $$$ into my WRX (utec, fmic, vf-22,bbk,supension, etc,etc.) and it might be almost as fast as a stock 60whp SV650 ($5000.00) around the track. Maybe.

I have read about track times at Road ATL from STI with "good" drivers pulling 1:45s give or take 2 seconds. That would be just good enought to come in LAST (-1 lap) place in a WERA race there. (1:31 would be a podum time, BTW on a S.S. legal R6). The point isnt to say that WRXs/STIs are not cool or "fast". Basically that there is ALWAYS something that is faster/cheaper/more reliable then what you have; and that is OK.
I sometimes wonder how many people here need therapy to work through some of their frustration.... :p

My god people, calm down jeez. They're both nice cars. This whole crap where I see you guys posting stuff like "my STi would win in the dirt" or "with that extra $20k i'd have a ton of mods and own your z06". **** man, my '89 Toyota 4x4 with 260k miles (stock engine) would RAPE Schumacher's Ferrari in the right situation (thinking climbing rocks). Stock for stock, the Z06 is faster. With mods all bets are off.

I know I've raped an STi from a roll, and then got my ass handed to me off the line cuz I blew the launch. Big deal, I was having an off nite, **** happens. I've also had my ass handed to me while autox'ing by ****box gutted civics with slicks.

For the record I have an '01 Z06 with the freebie stupid mods. I have massive wheel hop in 1st and 2nd as the suspension bushings are shot after 45k miles. I also have a lot of Impreza seat time - my fiancee has an 03 WRX (no mods). They're totally different kinds of cars. Fast in their own way (ok, the WRX isn't really fast, I'll give it quick - the STi is another matter).

Frankly I'm jealous of a few things you STi dudes have: real brakes, seats with real side support, etc. But please get off your high horses (I'll stay off mine).

855mono: I would have to say that after reading this post your collective IQ failed to pick up on the fact that the initial "claim" was not that one car was better/faster or not....it's that one class of owner was failing to respect another's strenghts. I didn't even read the z06 forum...because..I couldn't care less what they think. If they knew anything about cars and engineering, value and integrity....they would do nothing but give respect to what Subaru's have done. If they don't then my whining ain't gonna change that.

I used to raise holy hell with 400 Big Blocks and a smattering of high strung small blocks (all straight line cars of course).....so I know what they are all about....but until someone puts one into an AWD, well made and practical vehicle.....then I will have to settle on these lowely slow subaru's.

As a side note....there is a guy at the gym who was in the market for an STI.....then wanted an FXT.....but now has a z06 because he found one used and it was cheap. He's driven the above two Subaru's and he still ask's me for mod updates on my FXT. He was so blown away when he test drove the FXT....that he'd have one now if they had offered sunfoofs in the 04 model. So.....moral is.....he owns a Z06....but has driven and respects the value of the blown boxer.

This thread is meaningless... need to be closed I think :(

why would we argue over cars :huh: isnt it fun to have different cars to race? lose or win we'll learn something...

Z06s are fast ppl, accept that... subarus are quick... when it comes to handling subarus have the awd advantage... but it all depends on the driver

II have read about track times at Road ATL from STI with "good" drivers pulling 1:45s give or take 2 seconds. That would be just good enought to come in LAST (-1 lap) place in a WERA race there. (1:31 would be a podum time, BTW on a S.S. legal R6).

Wooohooo, R6's rock!!!! :banana:


Hahummm, sorry, back to our regularly scheduled bantering.

Just remember that the STi doesn't need to slow down for speed bumps. One of our local guys has a Z06 and an STi and says they are both great cars in their own way, but you can't compare them to each other because they are so different.

yes, you can have 3 passengers instead of 1. :rolleyes:

straight lines are for fast cars......curves are for fast drivers :D
most people will never see either cars max potential.

Yes the Z06 has 4 extra cylinders but you have two turbos to help you make up the difference.

WHAT!? I got robbed!! I had my intercooler off the other night and there was only ONE turbo in my engine compartment! In fact, my intercooler will only accept one turbo.

I want my money back! :lol:

WHAT!? I got robbed!! I had my intercooler off the other night and there was only ONE turbo in my engine compartment! In fact, my intercooler will only accept one turbo.

I want my money back! :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: Me too.

As was stated by Oi8ur5.0, the real point of the post was to show how little respect I noticed the STi getting on the z06 boards. I am in no means against GM, Ford, or any American manufacturer. Hell, before I had my WRX and STi, I owned 2 Z24 Cavaliers. They were fun little cars, and looked pretty damn radical by the time I got done with them. Also, I was going to buy a Mustang from my friend before I got my WRX. I've got nothing against American cars...but some of the drivers, sheesh.

I went to a car show back when my car was stock with my uncle in his z06, his wife in her '72 Cutlass, my dad in his done up little Chrysler, and my car. One guy with a primer mustang and all of his friends in bigass Ford pickups came over to our cars (Mostly my dad and I) and were like "uhh what is this now, Import Wars?" I felt like slapping the kid in the face, then putting money on a race against him. Ignorance overflows in many a place.

I respect the z06 for being a fast car, but it seems apparent that z06 drivers only see our cars as little 4 banger rice burners (my uncle included). The urge to beat one of these "monsters" that have DOUBLE the cylinders, but have only been pumping out 1/3 more the hp for the past few years, has nothing to do with hating domestics, it has everything to do with making them realize what our cars are capable of. And that American muscle isn't the only way to be fast anymore.

Gotta say our 4 bangers are pretty out there in performance compared to V8 performance these days, but I'd still take a z06 in a heart beat, and if money permits do the Lengfelder twin turbo kit like the one in that vid clip (proven power bragging forum) that smokes the piss out of the DSM. Oh mamma! On another note that z06 forum seemed pretty descent and no where near as hostile as folks are here.

As was stated by Oi8ur5.0, the real point of the post was to show how little respect I noticed the STi getting on the z06 boards. I am in no means against GM, Ford, or any American manufacturer. Hell, before I had my WRX and STi, I owned 2 Z24 Cavaliers. They were fun little cars, and looked pretty damn radical by the time I got done with them. Also, I was going to buy a Mustang from my friend before I got my WRX. I've got nothing against American cars...but some of the drivers, sheesh.

I went to a car show back when my car was stock with my uncle in his z06, his wife in her '72 Cutlass, my dad in his done up little Chrysler, and my car. One guy with a primer mustang and all of his friends in bigass Ford pickups came over to our cars (Mostly my dad and I) and were like "uhh what is this now, Import Wars?" I felt like slapping the kid in the face, then putting money on a race against him. Ignorance overflows in many a place.

I respect the z06 for being a fast car, but it seems apparent that z06 drivers only see our cars as little 4 banger rice burners (my uncle included). The urge to beat one of these "monsters" that have DOUBLE the cylinders, but have only been pumping out 1/3 more the hp for the past few years, has nothing to do with hating domestics, it has everything to do with making them realize what our cars are capable of. And that American muscle isn't the only way to be fast anymore.

Too right, Nytmare!!
I was an avowed Ford/Shelby fan prior to my conversion... and I still hang out w/ some of those guys- but every year it gets harder and harder to deal w/ such closed minds. :(
I know their minds are closed because I used to be the exact same way...

Many/most of that older generation seem to feel that a car must be American muscle or one of Teutonic makes (BMW, Porsche, Audi) or a supercar to merit any respect whatsover.
I get tired of pointing out that my STi is faster than many of those cars and can shred most any of their precious classic Mustangs!! :lol:

I get a similar ignorant attitude from many Vette drivers- except those that campaign their cars in some form of motorsports. Most of them have more open minds and can appreciate high performance in all it's forms.

Russ R

I might as well step into this argument as I have been through most of this stuff when I used to install Paxton/Vortec blowers on Vettes and Stangs. Matter of fact I have had and still have a bunch of muscle cars. To tell ya the truth I am selling most of them off cause I like the AWD way of using big HP #'s :devil:

My friend took me for a ride in his Vette and I was left feeling like that is it :confused: I have an original 69' Camaro and a 502 crate engine sitting in my garage with a reverse manual glide with brake and I am not really that excited about a hi HP RWD car anymore :(

Aside from all the guys that dump all this money into there cars there is still the fact of can you drive it?

I can drive mine...can you drive yours :disco:

Drat...they closed this argument over on the Z06 thread :lol:

There was 1 guy on the Z06 forum that said "we should know our role on the food chain", and half of you guys get all worked up. I hate to break the news to you, but they're right. The Z06 is one wicked car. Pretty much everything on that car is setup to boogie. IMHO, that is the ONE domestic that I'd buy without hesitation, if I had the money.

A friend of mine used to work at GM, and he said that the Z06's were built WAY different(READ: BETTER) than the regular Corvettes. Far less squeaks, rattles, etc(if any)...It just stinks that GM can't/won't put some of that effort into the mainstream cars that they make

STi is an awesome car, no doubt. But like others have said, apples to oranges. The guys at Z06 were even giving props to the STi. Which if you ask me is pretty darn good, considering we got a biggie spoiler that attracts attention like a drama queen.




Mika

All together this is an Apples & Oranges kinda fight. The WRX is a sedan as compared to the Corvette being strickly sports coupe. Wish we had a JDM Spec-C here so we could at least give em a challenge handling wise :devil:

I have been in C5 Vettes and sorry but they just don't sdo squat for me. All RWD cause are in that league now. To bad our last AWD car was a truck Syclone/Typhoon but, those things didn't handle for jack S ;)

Even funnier tho is that GM is the player for pretty much both cars :lol:

Why are there so many people on this site that like to bicker like little girls?

I doubt there are many threads like this on the Vette board.

You guys are just making yourselfs look more and more pathetic by the post.

~v6

Not even the STI b/c my 02 rex will keep up with easily with a sti...SHout out to the PLain REX

You guys are just making yourselfs look more and more pathetic by the post.

~v6


Not even the STI b/c my 02 rex will keep up with easily with a sti...SHout out to the PLain REX

I rest my case.

~v6

Not even the STI b/c my 02 rex will keep up with easily with a sti...SHout out to the PLain REX

What does that even mean?

I think that he meant to say was

"My WRX g0t maD crUnk y0"

~v6

V6, you continue to keep me amused. :lol:

Seriously though, those guys on the z06 board are pretty cool. I read that thread('til it was locked up), and there was 1 guy who said something derogatory. Aside from him, most of the guys there seem to be car enthusiasts. Cool guys who won't rip on you just 'cuz you don't have a Z06. They gave props to the STi crew who were cool. Meh...higher member #, lower IQ #(it seems)...



Mika

I see nothing wrong with that discussion, just comments like this



I may have an STi with some mods but I know I can't beat a Z06 unless we were racing in the snow. They are 2 completly different breeds.

And most of us know not to take on an Sti unless we are on our toes.
As a matter of fact I know where there is an 05 Sti for sale with 6000 miles, and I want it. I'm hoping somebody will buy it before my will power gives up.


Nah, I just play (not race) in the snow and mud with the STi, that's part of the fun in owning one. The STi isn't made to race in a straight line at a dragstrip.

Neither is a Z06. It's a road-race car. Actually, as you certainly know, the STi has a distinct advantage over just about anything out there from a dead stop, given its AWD.

Honestly, I think the STi's are great cars!

Both cars have their strengths.

my rex is still better than the ugly sti with the rice wing and c6. :lol:

blah blah blah

STI's get owned by Z06...especially when you start to mod haha..

Really? Then why do the Z06's routinely get smoked at the strip?

I guess when you spend 20K more on a car and have an engine twice the size you would expect to do better. Z06 is an underachiever in my book...up here in the NW we laugh our asses off 9 months of the year when the big RWD muscle cars sit and spin.

Like most Japanese products they excel through superior technology...

Hey moron boy... can you read?

I didnt say a WORD about "at the track"

I know it might be a stretch for you, but try to read, AND comprehend the words next time.

I want to know why so many suby owners refuse to accept that regaurdless of how poor you think these cars handle, or how heavy they are, or whatever the excuse is you guys just refuse to accept the fact that cars like the Z06 and the S/C Cobra will POUND our cars powerwise mod for mod.

Just because your area doesnt have a strong showing of Z06's doesnt mean anything.

Around here theres more morons in STi's that I would EVER like to admit... Does that make the STi slow or something?

Think before you speak.

~v6

Really? Then why do the Z06's routinely get smoked at the strip?

I guess when you spend 20K more on a car and have an engine twice the size you would expect to do better. Z06 is an underachiever in my book...up here in the NW we laugh our asses off 9 months of the year when the big RWD muscle cars sit and spin.

Like most Japanese products they excel through superior technology...

Dear Retarded jackass who knows nothing,
Stock Z06's routinely run mid 12's at the strip. There are only a handful of stock STI's that have seen 12.9, with most in the mid 13's.
What you are failing to see is that just because the local ZO6 boys in your area cant drive, that doesnt make them slow. Hell we have several STI's up here in the high 14's. DOes this mean that STI's are slower than stock WRX's? By your logic it does. Hell My car has beaten a couple Z06's at the strip. That only means that the driver of those cars was an idiot.
Also, what kind of a moron compares drag strip performance to a road racing track? There is no chance in hell an STI could ever keep up, let alone pass a Z06, if the drivers are equal. Now if the Z06 driver is a puss, or doesnt know what he is doing, then SURE no problem. Hell my WRX passed an open wheeled car at Limerock last summer. Does that make me go around saying that WRX's are superior on a road course to open wheeled race cars? Do you see how incredibly stupid you sound? Look, stop trying to make up for the fact that you cant afford a Z06 by dreaming that a stock STI is faster, it just makes you look like the idiot that you are.
kthxbye

Man, that Zed guy is a moron.

Blah Blah

Blah

Here we go :rolleyes:

Nasioc has a new village idiot, and his name is schnoog.
Let me just show you guys what this moron PM;d to me.
Keep in mind this is a discusion about stock vs stock. This assclown decides to think he knows more than me and start name dropping about SERIOUSLY modified 700whp cars, like they have anything to do with this discussion.

Here is this morons PM, prepare tp laugh.

"Whats up you supremely ignorant ****head - A mini novel by a moron

Congratulations Davenow...you just made my list of Nasioc supreme dumbasses.

hmmm...ever heard of a guy named Perrin from Perrin Performance? Or Sponaugle who has a 700whp STi? Or a guy named TBailey who has a 400whp+ STi?

Maybe you have you ignorant retard....

Well those are the guys who are in my local car group...the same guys I go to the drag strip with...the same guys I go to the track days with...AND THE SAME GUYS WHO LAP THE VETTES AT THE TRACK AND PULL HIGH 11's IN THE 1/4 mile!!!

Could you be any more ignorant??? Plus Einstein we live in the NW...maybe you've heard of it?? It rains here a good 9 months out of the year. WRX's routinely smoke the Z06 let alone the STi's. Perhaps you missed that part in my last post.

What a moron."


Now tell me people, what the hell does any of what this dickhead said have to do with the fact that a STOCK zo6 is MUCH faster in any situation other than rain/snow than a STOCK sti???

Die in a fire retard. You have just made a new enemy on this board, I will be watching your dumb ass. ANd flaming every stupid thing you say.

And since you want to pull modded cars out of your ass, how about a street driven, 900whp pump gas powered 9 sec z06? Lets see you come up with a street legal 900whp STI. I didnt think so.

I'm gonna just sit here quitley and watch the sparks fly ;)

Blah!

Blah

Blah

stock vs stock.
That is all.
Some of you get it some dont evidently lol

"This message is hidden because schnoog is on your ignore list. "

Ignore list!!! Haha! Thank god for multiple logins!!!

Schnoog...when did jeff make 700whp?

He just recently installed a new setup from GP Moto....he posted about a few days ago here at this forum. I recommend you check it out..very cool stuff.

But not cool enough for davenow I'm sure.

He just recently installed a new setup from GP Moto....he posted about a few days ago here at this forum. I recommend you check it out..very cool stuff.

But not cool enough for davenow I'm sure.

Again when did he make 700whp..

Did you read the thread?? Not sure what more info you need since they describe the setup in it. I recommend you read the thread.

Did you read the thread?? Not sure what more info you need since they describe the setup in it. I recommend you read the thread.

Yes i read the thread.. Can you please quote where he made 700whp..

Thank you sir,
Dave-

Here you go...this was posted by GP Moto

"Jeff Sponaugle sporting the GPMoto GT40/37 kit. This kit features equal length 4-2 rotated

mount headers with integrated an external wastegate a Garrett GT40/37 dual scroll turbo,

rotated mount downpipe, and a GPMoto titanium exhaust. We figure this should net around

700whp. Stay tuned for Dyno charts."

We figure this should net around

700whp. Stay tuned for Dyno charts."

Ok so you are saying his car is 700whp because GP moto "thinks it should" make 700whp? Untill it makes 700whp it is not a 700whp car.. No offense to Sponaugle because his is sick and i am sure will do well, but dont start to turn speculation into fact..

Btw i have a 900whp evo.. it didnt make it yet, but will one day, i promise..

We figure this should net around

700whp. Stay tuned for Dyno charts."

:rolleyes: Don't count your chickens before they hatch as they say. I'm not saying it's not possible or it won't happen, heck i think it's great he's trying this setup....but you can't accurately use this as a basis for comparison.

Btw i have a 900whp evo.. ..

Can't take my 700whp c230 euro drift machine :devil:

Oh god...the whole point of the original quote was to explain why the local WRXs were passing Z06's. Whether he stays at his current 400whp+ or has 700whp thats more than a stock Z06 puts down to its wheels.

I think its safe to say that with his new setup he will make some sick power and I trust the estimates. Kind of like when FP quoted me that a Green would net a certain level of power on my STi and sure enough when it was tuned I got pretty damn close to what they quoted me. Most manufacturers know at least enough to give you a ball park figure.

Its highly unlikely that they will quote 700whp and OOPS it nets only 450whp. Sponaugle is a very bright individual and quite frankly I trust his estimates over others who arent directly related to mods done to his car.

Did you decied to stay home and smoke crack today? ;)

~v6

HAHAHAHA!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I suppose maybe I should elaborate a bit...

More of what I mean is that they're so hung up on their Corvette status that they fail to recognize any other fast car out there. The z06's may be quicker than the STi's, but I don't think it's a rape, especially considering the driver skill of some people out there.

Some of the z06 guys will give the STi the respect it deserves, but many have the attitude shown in that thread. It's not as if we're driving some little cheap Jap car, the price for the STi is not too far off that of a z06, and I'd say it's more of an all around car than the Vette is, as well.

Maybe our little 4 bangers (Which can EASILY produce as much torque as their 8cylinders) haven't been around long enough to shut a few of these guys up. I'm gonna aim for some at the track next season though...maybe that will make some of them talk.

Arent you the guy who said he was going to swap out your 2.5L STI motor and throw in a Acura B18C motor???

Just checkin!
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=653893&page=1&pp=25

Hmmm..... Well, if I drove the C5s I have raced they might have been able to win. The fact is the corvette crowd here isn't too freaking impressive and I haven't lost to one of em yet. However, I have lost to Camaro who is stupid fast and modded out the wazoo who says the same thing as I about the Vettes. Really I am unconcerned with what most Vette owners have to say. For the most part they are not really true enthusiasts. That's not to say that some of them aren't true car nuts like myself. And that doesn't mean that I don't respect their cars I just don't respect them or their weak driving. I have driven all manner of Vettes and even considered picking one up used instead of the STi. I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I just don't like the experience behind the wheel as much.

Arent you the guy who said he was going to swap out your 2.5L STI motor and throw in a Acura B18C motor???

Just checkin!
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=653893&page=1&pp=25

Yeah, I actually made another thread in that forum clarifying that it was not me who made that thread. I may have stayed logged in at school or something and someone decided to be an idiot. Either that, or someone hax0red my account, because it definitely wasn't me who posted that.

Good eye, though. :)

Davenow to scnoog: "I'm watching you ******..." (2 fingers to eyes w/ sly look)


Mika :lol:

A vett's a vett an a subaru is a subaru...for the price they are both excellent cars for the money.For the attitude of the driver's..the better man always respects the other car no matter what it is on the road.If some one looks down on a subaru because it's not American or the opposite..f-them..to each his own. :banana:

Well said Crazy D. What happened to being car enthusiasts? I mean, we're all out to appreciate the ride, not hate the riders...You said it right. Eff those who can't appreciate other people's rides;)



Mika

Well said Crazy D. What happened to being car enthusiasts? I mean, we're all out to appreciate the ride, not hate the riders...You said it right. Eff those who can't appreciate other people's rides;)



Mika

For real, I couldn't agree with you more. Go to the Z06 forums, that's all I saw was a bunch of respect for the STi and then you see Nasioc.com and they read this post and it's oh hell, someone pissed off those guys, and we look like a bunch of ********. As Subie girl said on the Z06 forums, " it looks like they're having a who was the biggest dick contest." I hope we can respect other performance vehicles, we are car enthusiast, no?

-Wes

Ok, the GPMoto GT40 kit does not make 700HP as of yet. No idea when, or if it will.

I am sure that Sponaugle, PDXTuning, and GPMoto will all put thier .02 in when Sponaugle has a working clutch, a fully tuned setup, and some dyno charts. Till then all I will personaly say is that GT40 >>>> AVO600.

For the attitude of the driver's..the better man always respects the other car no matter what it is on the road.:banana:


I like that, well said Crazy D!

Your a noob...

When I was in FL with my WRX a guy pulled up next to me in a Z06 (w/exhaust). I pulled off the line on him (as he wasnt expecting so much go from such a stupid looking automobile i assume) and i was out in front of him until I shifted 3rd gear. By then he went from about 2-3 cars back at the start to being about a half a car back when I let off and he went BLASTING by me. We stop at the next light and before he even got the chance to make an excuse I said "I know, I know" as in I knew he was about to SPANK past me. He was amazed at how bad I killed him off the line, I was amazed at how fast he was reeling me in once I hit third :lol: We gave eachother props and went on our own ways. Mind you this was down in richy rich land (aka Boca Raton FL)

The moral of the story? Subaru's are quick, Vettes are FAST.

The STi is barely enough to hold off a qualified driver in a Z06 in the 1/8th mile. But put a moron in the vette... Then they might be in trouble. Stage 2 AP... I bet it would be close.

and of course it will burn half the vette owners asses. Most of them buy the car just to say they have one (thinking its the baddest thing on the road too)
When you mess with one you could very well entirely destroy the false sense of power (and or coolness) that Vette owner recieved when he overpaid so dearly for said car. ;)

~v6



another v6 story of " way back when i was in florida"

my dad has an '03 Z06 and i have an '04 STi with a few mods..........we've raced quite a few times. off the line, im definitely faster(my dads a decent driver too)....he usually catches me by 50mph and steadily pulls on me. from a roll on, he gets me, but its by no means a rape. my sti will take his '99 automatic C5 all day long. on a road course i think it would be a close run.

anyone seen the pictures of the latest version of the Z06 coming out in late 2005?..its awesome...505hp supposedly.

another v6 story of " way back when i was in florida"
Obviously someone is payin attention :devil:

~v6

he usually catches me by 50mph and steadily pulls on me. from a roll on, he gets me, but its by no means a rape.

You remember when you were a little kid, and your dad would let you win at stuff?

;)

my dad has an '03 Z06 and i have an '04 STi with a few mods..........we've raced quite a few times. off the line, im definitely faster(my dads a decent driver too)....he usually catches me by 50mph and steadily pulls on me. from a roll on, he gets me, but its by no means a rape. my sti will take his '99 automatic C5 all day long. on a road course i think it would be a close run.

anyone seen the pictures of the latest version of the Z06 coming out in late 2005?..its awesome...505hp supposedly.
just a little FYI there son...

My friends 1999 Automatic Vette ran 13.0@109mph.

~v6

Which is probably why he said he has a few mods son...oh I mean V6Turbo....god you can be a real prick on these boards.

Hey V6Turbo...my STi with "a few mods" is good for 425whp+ on race gas and is in the high 11's...think I can beat a Vette?

I've got 500 cash dollar for the first person who takes this thread out back and pumps a round into it.

:furious:

Which is probably why he said he has a few mods son...oh I mean V6Turbo....god you can be a real prick on these boards.


at least someone knows how to read..............i.e. not v6turbo?

425hp huh?......you should go to the zo6 forum link at the beginning of this thread and throw those numbers in their face.

long live the subaru!

:devil:

i have yet to race a z06... but i will say this
my VF30'd m2 top mount my02 on the stock tranny at 15psi, pulled awway nicely from a stock (im assuming) 03 cobra from a 30 or 40 mph roll getting on the highway. And before that, with the stock td04, up pipe, and catback (i may have had a downpipe in, but stock boost levels and that ****ty taper after 5k) i pulled away from a C5 on the highway, in 5th gear. I'd imagine the z06's breath better on the top end, but vs a well tuned rex with a larger turbine or modded sti my money's on the sube. But, i think the z06 can take way more abuse before you start breaking stuff. This cop (z06 owner) pulled me over twice in one day one time, saw the tank for the NX ntercooler and he was lovin it. He pulled my friend over driving me home drunk from the bar one night for speeding, but once he saw it was me in the back seat letting the sober one drive he was cool as **** and did a tight burnout in the crown vic. If you got a fast car hats off to you, its corny when people are cocky though and bash. Theres things a z06 can't do that a subaru can, and vice versa. And as for people with big turbos who run crappy times, work on your drivetrain! a guy here with a wagon, ran 11.76 @ 117 with a vf30, unichip, mrt front mount, stock headers.. but the key was MRT dog box with welded spiders in the center diff. Even with a kaaz 1.5 way i get a lot of wheelspin because the wrx is mainly a front wheel drive car with 35% going to the rear while the sti is the opposite. And heres some old footage of me toasting a bpu supra that runs consistent low 12's (auto w/ high stall TC, DR's, fuel cell)
http://www.bai-net.com/uploads/wrx_vs_twinturbosupra.wmv
Download the video instead of streaming it... the servers kinda slow.
Cobras are damn heavy but they respond well to mods. my friend is still running the stock blower w/ bolt ons and on a 2wheel djet he put down 491Rwhp and 549 rwtorque ! crazy. if you check the stang forums its interesting to see how different bolt ons like headers, difft size pulleys, pipes, etc affect the amount of torque in the 03's.. thats high for the stock blower.

its kind of embarassing when people can't put power to the ground efficiently. I saw this dudes signature one time like, "i dont care if you missed a gear, your clutch is slipping, your tires are bald, or your cars running like sh.. you f... lost".. but its true. Its all about driveline efficiency in the sube.
With the new ATS triple plate i just put in, at 300whp i get plenty of wheelspin.. but i think its mostly the fronts.

If u really wanna be king of the hill u need a 50/50 split center diff with a 4500 stall speed auto and a trans brake. and probably 4.111 diffs. Its just a fact.

Btw i have a 900whp evo.. it didnt make it yet, but will one day, i promise..[/QUOTE]
i found an article about some guy in the uk making around that with the Greddy T88. but the thing probably has a real narrow powerband, massive amounts of wheelspin, and i dont particularly care for dry bearings.

my VF30'd m2 top mount my02 on the stock tranny at 15psi, pulled awway nicely from a stock (im assuming) 03 cobra from a 30 or 40 mph roll getting on the highway. And before that, with the stock td04, up pipe, and catback (i may have had a downpipe in, but stock boost levels and that ****ty taper after 5k) i pulled away from a C5 on the highway, in 5th gear.

Then you woke up

a guy here with a wagon, ran 11.76 @ 117 with a vf30, unichip, mrt front mount, stock headers.. but the key was MRT dog box with welded spiders in the center diff.

117 with a VF30? How much nitrous? :rolleyes:

Hey V6Turbo...my STi with "a few mods" is good for 425whp+ on race gas and is in the high 11's...think I can beat a Vette?
You do know guys have gone 11.8/11.9 @ nearly 120mph on pump gas in bone stock Z06 Corvettes, right?

Spare me the exception to the rule...an 99 automatic Vette aint pulling no 11's.

Clearly you missed the whole point of the post.

Doesn't take as many mods as you might think, either.

Spare me the exception to the rule...an 99 automatic Vette aint pulling no 11's.

Clearly you missed the whole point of the post.
Are you high again?

I mean... really... wth are you talking about?

Where the hell did you get a 99 automatic vette running 11's?

Less hits from the pipe man.. its effecting your brain.

Your arguements suck so badly that you to go back and delete entire posts (when you sober up I assume) You cant really get any weaker.

~v6

Know whats scary?

http://www.structuredchaos.net/images/Z06/Z06%20side.jpg
http://www.structuredchaos.net/images/Z06/Z06%20engine.jpg

That beast comes out soon. 2900lbs 500hp yadda yadda. But STI's will still be beating them ;)

Know whats scary?

That beast comes out soon. 2900lbs 500hp yadda yadda. But STI's will still be beating them ;)
Yeah but 427 CI displacement tells me there is a bit more low end torque than I would ever be able to get outta my Spec-C :lol:

I hope those guys on the Z06 forums don't get a bad opinion of us. Because those guys are also car crazy. I have said it before I don't have anything against the Z06 and wouldn't mind owning one. I just find alot of Vette owners are not car enthusiasts in the truest sense. But, I know some of those guys over there and they are car enthusiasts 100%. They are about the drive as much as I am. There's too much loyalty b.s. and comparing of dicks. Why? It's about having fun driving, not what your driving.

I am just as quick to get mad at a Subaru owner who really isn't about driving as I am any other car guy. I just don't like the average american "car enthusiast" in general because they are not. They are all about the gadgets and not about the driving. I wish they would change. They don't even know what they are missing. When you truly posess driving skill and exercise it you feel great.

I hope those guys on the Z06 forums don't get a bad opinion of us.
Well they do now :p Actually a few of them were saying the same thing you just posted.

I must say that way back in the day I was only about HP and straight line speed in my Big Blocks and stuff. Then I got a CRX Si and was like wow this thing handles like a go kart :D Then I went with a SVX and was again like wow this thing has traction no matter what :banana:

Alas now that I have my WRX I am all about HP and straight line speed again, at least I'm getting better MPG though :lol:

i'd save up for r34 and rape them z06. until then.. we can rape z06 on sand

A stock R34 would not beat a Z06. ask me how I know...

A stock R34 would not beat a Z06. ask me how I know...
Because you have a brain?

~v6

I hope those guys on the Z06 forums don't get a bad opinion of us. Because those guys are also car crazy. I have said it before I don't have anything against the Z06 and wouldn't mind owning one. I just find alot of Vette owners are not car enthusiasts in the truest sense. But, I know some of those guys over there and they are car enthusiasts 100%. They are about the drive as much as I am. There's too much loyalty b.s. and comparing of dicks. Why? It's about having fun driving, not what your driving.

I am just as quick to get mad at a Subaru owner who really isn't about driving as I am any other car guy. I just don't like the average american "car enthusiast" in general because they are not. They are all about the gadgets and not about the driving. I wish they would change. They don't even know what they are missing. When you truly posess driving skill and exercise it you feel great.
I'm willing to bet there are far more uninterested old folks who own subarus than there are uninterested vette owners...

Its just that most vette fans are so old they are still trying to get on the "internets" to talk about them. ;) :lol:

~v6

Because you have a brain?

~v6
I have one of those too..

I have one of those too..
:lol:

~v6

:lol:

~v6
glad to be amusing :banana: :disco: :banana:

I've been able to see three types of responses in this thread:

1 - My WRX with $3.50 in mods beat a Z06 from a roll!
2 - Shut up n00b, no it didn't
3 - Can't we all just get along?

This thread should have been 1 page.

I just find alot of Vette owners are not car enthusiasts in the truest sense. But, I know some of those guys over there and they are car enthusiasts 100%.

Nice contradiction there!

these vette people are black and white, night and day. Some appreciate the STI's because they know a little but about cars, and the other vette owners just think that their cars are the king "poop" of the world, and nothing is better than their vettes. And we all know that there are cars on this forum that would spank a vette at the track. So as long as i know that there are faster subarus than z06's, i am not complaining.

zach

just my contribrution.....

Being an automotive enthusiast, whether people rag on my MY99 Wagon or not, I just tell them, "It's how you drive it."

There's this 'new' kid on the block, being the same ethnic as I 'azn', and talk a lot of BS about him drifting and the like. Was talking BS about a friend's FD RX7 TT on the straight line acceleration contest.

Then my friend says "If you think you're so good at drifting, why don't drift with HIM!" and stares at me.

I'm like......uh oh..... Then again I have track racing experience already but this kid who talks smack and says he has a FC RX7 with turbo setup pushing like 300hp......I don't know what he's capable of. And he's like 16?

We'll see what happens this spring at the events and hopefully I can knock some sense into him.

Every car has its own goods and bads. Be proud of what you bought the car for and what you can do with it. It's not really about the car, but it really is the driver.

If I had the $$ I wouldn't mind picking up the NEW Z06's (C6) in black. Man would it look evil.

Guys/gals, people can say all they want, don't take it to the heart. The race track is where you can stretch your legs.

I've been able to see three types of responses in this thread:

1 - My WRX with $3.50 in mods beat a Z06 from a roll!
2 - Shut up n00b, no it didn't
3 - Can't we all just get along?

This thread should have been 1 page.


That couldn't have been said any better. If there was a Nasioc hall of fame for good quotes, that would be one of them