ok my accessport should be here any day and i dont know what map i am gonna run. i know that i am going to ru stage 2 but im in cali and i dont quite understand the base map vs real time map. what would u all suggest?

here: http://cobbtuning.com/wrx/accessport-faq.html

hope it helps.

You should run the correct base and real time maps for your mod level, and change real time maps for special occasions (valet, anti theft, econo).

ya i just dont know how to set it up with the new cali maps. i think i am going to run a stage 2 base map with the cali stage 2 real time

Just load whatever BASE map you want. The AccessECU technology (yeah, the technology, I know you have an AP) never runs without a realtime map loaded. That being said, what happens when you load a BASE map only is when you turn the car on the AccessECU technology checks to see if you have a specific REALTIME map loaded, if you do then it uses that, if you don't then it uses a REALTIME map that it extrapolates from the BASE map for the respective stage. So basically, if you load the same REALTIME map as the BASE map you just loaded you're doing nothing that the ECU doesn't already do. You're wasting your time.

Just load whatever BASE map you want. The AccessECU technology (yeah, the technology, I know you have an AP) never runs without a realtime map loaded. That being said, what happens when you load a BASE map only is when you turn the car on the AccessECU technology checks to see if you have a specific REALTIME map loaded, if you do then it uses that, if you don't then it uses a REALTIME map that it extrapolates from the BASE map for the respective stage. So basically, if you load the same REALTIME map as the BASE map you just loaded you're doing nothing that the ECU doesn't already do. You're wasting your time.
Um, wrong.

There is some underlying ECU logic found in the basemaps that cannot be duplicated in the realtime maps, and this was a problematic point of confusion -- especially for some '04+ WRX owners. Because of the revised ECUs in '04+ stock ECUs, Cobb rewrote some of the ecu logic to correct the detonation problems and smooth out the throttle response.

However, when people ran a stock base map and something like stage 2, the original ECU logic showed itself and there were Det problems and stuff. The conclusion was that it was necessary to use a basemap with the new programming -- whatever stage was irrelevant, but that a new basemap was needed in conjunction with the realtime maps.

Um, wrong.

There is some underlying ECU logic found in the basemaps that cannot be duplicated in the realtime maps, and this was a problematic point of confusion -- especially for some '04+ WRX owners. Because of the revised ECUs in '04+ stock ECUs, Cobb rewrote some of the ecu logic to correct the detonation problems and smooth out the throttle response.

However, when people ran a stock base map and something like stage 2, the original ECU logic showed itself and there were Det problems and stuff. The conclusion was that it was necessary to use a basemap with the new programming -- whatever stage was irrelevant, but that a new basemap was needed in conjunction with the realtime maps.

*** does what you wrote have to do with what I wrote. Go back and reread what I said. I never said that you can load a STOCK BASE map and then run a stage whatever REALTIME map and it's the same as running that stage BASE map. What I said is that it's redundent to load the same REALTIME map as the BASEMAP you just loaded for the respective stage because the AccessECU technology already does this on startup. Go back and CAREFULLY read what I wrote. I know all about the changes on the STAGED maps that Cobb put in to aleviate the close/open loop changeover... that's not what I even wrote about and that's not even what the original poster's question was directed at. :furious:

Just load whatever BASE map you want.

Maybe I should have just quoted this then, because it was essentially what I was targeting. This is statement is patently untrue based on my information that you have just corroborated. There are several maps out -- stock, antitheft, valet, stage, etc. And each have their own unique purposes and situations where it might be best to use as a basemap.

For instance, someone really worried about theft might consider using the antitheft map as their base map to protect against jackers unplugging the battery and disabling the car.

Another example would be the '04+ ECU issue. In this case, base, antitheft, economy, and valet maps would not be good, as they are based on the original ECU logic. Furthermore, if this person did own a '04, I would reccomend that they use whatever Staged basemap that is appropriate even though they will use the same map for the realtime mode, just for the ECU safety.

Lastly, what you mention about the redundancy might be true, but only in a single specific situation--the first time you ever load the base map. The moment you use another realtime map, the ECU will not extrapolate a realtime map off the basemap unless you drain all power from the ECU.

Just run the Stage 2 Cali map. The reason why they have that is because of the "bad" fuel that you guys get there.

/\/\/\ What he said... Stage 2 91 octane base map, along with the SAME real-time map. :)

Maybe I should have just quoted this then, because it was essentially what I was targeting. This is statement is patently untrue based on my information that you have just corroborated. There are several maps out -- stock, antitheft, valet, stage, etc. And each have their own unique purposes and situations where it might be best to use as a basemap.

For instance, someone really worried about theft might consider using the antitheft map as their base map to protect against jackers unplugging the battery and disabling the car.

Another example would be the '04+ ECU issue. In this case, base, antitheft, economy, and valet maps would not be good, as they are based on the original ECU logic. Furthermore, if this person did own a '04, I would reccomend that they use whatever Staged basemap that is appropriate even though they will use the same map for the realtime mode, just for the ECU safety.

Lastly, what you mention about the redundancy might be true, but only in a single specific situation--the first time you ever load the base map. The moment you use another realtime map, the ECU will not extrapolate a realtime map off the basemap unless you drain all power from the ECU.

OK, I left the STAGED out of that quote so I'll give you that one simply because the noob user would take my statement as meaning any of the base maps, which like you stated is completely untrue. The guy's original question was what stage map should he use so that's why my wording was that way. Anyway, it's never a good idea to load any other base map other then whatever STAGE map you should be running. The reasons behind this is exactly what you stated simply because they are based off the SOA coding. And I know about the realtime (raguardless what map it is) won't clear out unless you do an ECU reset... but that's not was I was trying to get past.

Basically here it is. If the guy lives in cali, try the regular STAGE whatever map for 91 octane and see if you ping, if you do, try the CA map. Do this test by using the BASE maps instead of the REALTIME maps since some combinations have been found to cause problems, but for the most part in STi's running in CA. Anyway, when you find the map that works best for you, flash that one as your BASE and UNLESS you want to run another REALTIME map that DIFFERENT then the BASE one you just loaded you don't have to load the same REALTIME map. His original question looked more like... hey, I'm getting my AP soon, when I flash STAGE whatever for my BASE, should I also flash the same REALTIME as well? The answer in this perticular case... NO, for the above stated reasons.

and i dont quite understand the base map vs real time map.

From Trey (http://www.wrxforum.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=001121)

ok so you would suggest the stage 2 91 cali base map and the same realtime map? i read somewhere that some people had problems with running that setup and people were running the regular stage 2 base map with the stage 2 cali real time map. i dunno any input from someone with a 04 and in cali would be great.

oh and stop complaining about each others posts and answer the question ;)

If your in cali, DONT run a 93 octane map. Not even the base map. If for some reason your battery gets disconnected or dies or something happens, the Realtime map is "lost" and it just runs of the base map... Not a good Idea to run 91 octane on a 93 map. ;)

Adam

ya wasnt plainin on that

I'm in Ca., and running the regular stage 2 91 oct. as my base map. I was using the Cali realtime stage 2 map, but now I'm just using the regular stage 2 again. I really don't notice a diference between the two.

If I were you, I would flash your ecu with the regular stage 2 91 as your base map, and see how that works first. If you're having detonation, then use the CA. Realtime map. If you're still seeing detonation, then flash your ecu with the CA. base map. If you still have problems, then sell your car ;)

aite i think ill go with that thanks