I was talking with Daniel (brucelee) and he and I were on the subject of cops and how they make you pop your hood. Well I have an RS-T and as you all know that T isnt legal. So he told me that shiv had a setup where the IC was in the fender and used the stock airbox to fake the cops. I emailed shiv about it but I'm looking for some quicker responses from you guys. I'm wondering what kind of pressure drop youd get from putting the IC in the fender. Wouldn't it just be smarter to do a FMIC and say you are rice and that its just for looks. But the FMIC is a waste of time unless you do 400+hp right? So what do you guys think? I think would put the IC in the intake side fender, and hook the tubing through the airbox via the ducts of the stock airbox. Did that make any sense? I'm not sure about where youd put the actual intake though.

I'm afraid the rumours are false :) I'm running the standard Minnam top-mount IC. The only "stealth" mod I have done is to replace the big colorful GReddy intake that comes with the Minnam kit with the stock airbox (fitted with a K&N panel).

Cheers
shiv

hm ok...Daniel, if youre reading this, what the hell were you talking about with the IC in the fender or whatever??


shiv, why did you replace it wiht the stock airbox? how can you mount up the airbox with a TMIC?

Grrrr.. I need to disspell a small myth here that I keep see popping up. A random horspoewer figure has nothing to do with how badly or how effective a FMIC will be on a particular car.
Things like compression and boost levels or volume and characteristics of the turbo used need to be taken into account. Depending on what kind of turbo used you may not need a FMIC at all. Just a lil nitpick that I had to get off my back.

-jay

I'm a little confused??:confused:

Are you telling me that it is agenst the law to have an aftermarket turbo kit on you car in some states???

That's one of the most insulting piles of crap I' ever heard!! Who the hell do some of thies politisions think they are??!!!

Isn't there a line in the constitution exactly for our god given right to BOOST!! (if there isn't, there should be:D :D )

I'm from Vermont and have never been anywere near CA, let alone ever had to pass there emisions tests. But this is is some scary sounding stuff!

I guess we reasently passed some emitions laws in VT but from what I've heard they are a joke! Vehicles made after 96' (I think) have to pass a test. That means they can't have any diag. trouble codes or check engine light on! But you can have any damn thing you want under your hood if it doesn't give you a trouble code. No sniffer!

(damn! my spelling gets worse when I rant! :lol: )

tell them its the new WRX :)

Cops poping your hood............That's B.S. What do they care what's under your hood???:mad:

dunno if its the same out there in nevada but in CA we have pretty strict smog restrictions. we arent aloud to do anything to the engine that isnt CARB approved. and since our cars are not mainstream, vendors dont bother with certifying it because there isnt enough demand or competition. so....cops dick us around with this kind of crap. and it sucks when you need to go to the dealership too because they cant see you due to them being able to be shut down immediately and fined something like $10k. if you had a CARB certified turbo setup then the cops wouldnt care and neither would the dealership.

Aftermarket turbos illegal? Hmm, at least I know it's not that way here in Minnesota. We don't even have emissions standard here anymore :cool:

what's up with that? Nazi cops in California making you pop the hood so they can check for mods? that totally sucks IMO another good reason not to live in California I guess...

I live in Minnesota and like rallynavvie said we don't even have emissions testing here anymore, you should have seen all the catalytic converters hitting the dumpsters after that happened!:lol:

I heard turboing actually helps emissions?

i have a wrx and i used to have a honda with a turbo kit. i got popped for everything. cops in california check for everything, including engine codes, aftermarket parts, and dot approved fuel and vaccume lines. i had my car impounded and then after that i had to take it to a california state smog station where they inspected everything in the entire car.

turboing doesn't help emmisions it does actually hurt. The turbo acts like a big heat sink and it increases the time before the cat gets to the right temperature to start working. It's really only a few seconds longer but thats a big amount compaired to how clean cars are lately. Can't say I agree with pulling all of the cats off of cars, but that cat before the turbo would be gone if I had the chance

I'm all for clean running cars, but CA is way out of control. I'm trying desperatly not to turn this into a political debate, MD is almost as socialist as CA, but at least we don't have any emissions testing.

MD was trying at one time to pass some legislation regarding emissions, but the state couldn't come up with the funding for it, (funny.. we have one of the highest tax rates of all 50 states, and they couldn't find funding for a sniff test..). So they are taking our guns away instead.... :mad: commie bastards.

I'd urge everybody to make sure their cars are running clean, but by all means stick a turbo on it. :)

Cali really sux in those regards: cars and firearms....anywayz
As someone alluded earlier, all mods must be CARB (Calif. Air Resources Board) approved. So even if after you mod your car (with non carb approved parts), and can pass the sniffer test, it doesn't matter, because you can't pass the VISUAL inspection, which is checking of the parts in the car are stock or carb approved. This makes no sense. If all they care about is pollution, then as long as you can pass the sniffer, you should be ok. Those in other states should be always vigilent, and don't let this kinda of crap get through your legislature. Keep an eye on pending legislation, and write your representatives.

Stealth-WRX:
Police are NOT allowed to make you pop your hood, they can ask you to, but can't make you... this is from the police officer himself.
I live near you aswell so this isn't like it is different for our two areas...
So next time a police officer asks just say no thanks i don't want to...

i have a wrx and i used to have a honda with a turbo kit. i got popped for everything. cops in california check for everything, including engine codes, aftermarket parts, and dot approved fuel and vaccume lines. i had my car impounded and then after that i had to take it to a california state smog station where they inspected everything in the entire car.

You should never ever ever let a cop search any part of your car without a warrant, regardless of whether or not you have something to hide. You do have the right to say NO.

They might do it anyway, but usually they give up (eventually).

cant a cop pop your hood due to probably cause? such as smoke coming out of the muffler, or BOV sounds and gauges, etc.

if the cop isnt alloud to do that could you please tell me what to tell them so that they know i know my rights.

oh man your cops over their sux. we never have that problem over here. We even have old mustangs with large superchargers and blowers sticking out the bonnet and the cops dont pull them over. I guess it because Wellington, New Zealand has the cleanest Air the the Southern hemp

Fourth Ammendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Of course, your vehicle is not your home, and because our wise and benevolent founding fathers didn't specifically write "houses, papers, subarus, and effects" in the constitution, our local authorities have this weird view that our cars are public property. (or would like you to believe that they are)


Officer: Can you pop the hood?

You: Is there any particular reason you would like me to pop the hood?

Officer: I believe you have modifications that are not CARB approved, blaah blaah blaah...

You: And you believe that is probable cause to search my vehicle without my consent or without a warrant?

Officer: You have gagues in your car and that indicates that there is a high probability that you have blaah blaah blaah,

You: And you believe that because i have gauges to monitor the proper operation of my vehicle that I have done something illegal?

this could go on for a while, but be cooperative, make statements slowly and don't even sound remotely like a smart ass. Don't be smug. just be an informed and cooperative citizen on your way to something more important than a traffic stop. Stay impossibly cool. Fonzie cool :) ESPECIALLY if you feel threatened. Do not give any outward indication that you are nervous. make eye contact with the officer. Be respectful, but be firm and CALM. They can't arrest you for not consenting to a search, but they will do everything they can to intimidate you into believing you are wrong. this is their power over you, and the fsckers get off on it. Be totally cooperative, but simply do not give in. If you are calm and answer every question with a question, you will not make any statement that could incriminate you.

You: Am I free to go?

Officer: No.

You: Is there any particular reason I am being detained?

Officer: Citation, infraction, etc... Ticket

You: Am I free to go?

After this point they have to let you go after you sign the ticket. They want to get on to popping someone else who doesn't know their rights.

Download this handy <a href="http://www.aclu.org/pdf/bustcard.pdf"</a>"BUST CARD" </a> from the ACLU. print it. put it in your glove box or wallet.

It is an excellent pocket guide to your rights cause you will forget them as soon as you're confronted with a badge and a flashlight.

Or just buy a 1969 Camaro and grow yourself a fine mullet :)
(i hear these beasts are exempt from emissions standards :)

Anyone check out this month's Car and Driver?

There's a whole article on CARB's ZEV(Zero Emmisions Vehicle) mandate, and how rediculously stupid it is. Apparently the big car makers are expected to pull practical electric cars out of their asses, and then have them total 10% of their vehicle sales in CA starting in 2003. All this, despite the fact that there isn't even 1 practical, usable electric vehicle in existance today.

Keeping the air clean is good and all, but asking the impossible, despite knowing it's impossible is just dumb, period.

Soon you guys in CA will be lucky if you're even allowed to buy and use real cars; everyone will be scooting around in giant power-wheels that need to be recharged every 50 miles.

i SERIOUSLY doubt electrical vehicles will be making ANY impact for the next couple years with all this BS with PG&E.

and besides, if i get pulled over, all i really need is 1 pipe that goes from my headers to the muffler and then i can uninstall the rest myself.

once that is over i put it back on and go have fun.

With the exception of solar and wind power generation, electric vehicles are such a myth. They produce way more pollution than gas powered vehicles. By the time you count the average 30% line power losses from the transmission station to your outlet, and then the 30% loss converting ac to dc to charge the battery, you have already wasted more than half the available potential energy from burning the fossil fuel. Just because the car itself doesn't pollute, doesn't mean the source of energy to charge the car isn't polluting.

CARB is only trying to keep themselves in a job by cooking up this rediculous crap. And anybody that says anything against them are made out to look like pure evil... they try to make it look like you're against stopping pollution. They have the mythical zero emissions vehicle card to fall back on.. even though it's a lie, people don't think beyond it. It's too bad.


excellent link bongo :)
Too bad many current lawmakers have conveniently forgotten about the intent of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
:mad:

Hey! that brings me to a point I'd like to make about power generation.

Instead of trying to restrict or even phaze ot our fun internal combustion eng.'s, they could cut down on tons more polution if we had fewer plants burning fossil fuels to make our power and more Nuclear power plants than the amount of polution being put out by todays modern high tech EFI eng.'s would look trivial.

I work in the comertial nuclear power industry and it is so unbeliveably clean and SAFE! The 3-mile Island misshap many years ago (that stopped the plans for furtuer nuke plants) was the best thing to happen to the Nuke industry. It gave everyone in the indutry a wake up call, and with todays safty standards and rules strictly enforced by the Nuclear Regulatory Comition, something like that happening again is about as imposible as it gets. And that mess in Chernoble (sp) is something we would never see because the reactors they use are a far dif. disign than any of ours, and it was an accident waiting to happen.

And speaking of Cal., I bet they wish they had a few more 1k watt nuke plants now :lol: They say nuclear power will make a comeback sometime soon though. new desighns in nuke reactors and new technolagies in reenriching old spent fuel (urainium 232 IIRC?) will make less rad. waste and more power.

WOW! that 2 long rants in the same thread!!

I'm getting bad:D :lol:

-Caine
HYD Racing

Hey HYDCSX400:

Do they have a sector 7-G where you work?

i don't think California is going to have any Nuke Power Plants. why? EARTHQUAKES!! woohoooo!!! this really sux!

I don't work at any one plant. Some friends and I work as temp. contract outage workers. Nuke plants can't run forever, they have to shut down every 18-24 mo. to replace about 1/3 of there fuel with new. And when the reactor is down for about a mo. there are tons of other things that need to be done some can take many mounths. So the plant will contract another company that specializes in suplying workers for the outage and sending them packing when the plant is back on line. Then you go look for another plant to work at sometimes for a dif. contractor.

The good sides are that you make insain amounts of $$$ when your working (a good hourly rate and a set daily liveing exp. amount that is TAX FREE!!!!) and I use the turm "work" only for lack of a better one!:D I have a low level job, almost as low as you can get in the nuke industry, But the nick name for what we do is "Hide and seak for a grand a week":cool: but to bring home $1200 a week is more normal but doesn't realy sound as cool! The company will usualy pay you milage to drive to the area the plant is in and straight time if its far enough, and the same going home when the job is done. But you pay for your food and lodgeing yourself, thats what your perdium (that taxfree liveing expence) is for. And you don't even need as much as they give you if you live cheap, then you save the rest. We work about 72 hrs. a week (6 12hr day) but it's not as bad as you'd think, like I said the work is light and some times your just standing around waiting for it to be your turn to do your job. And if you have to wait days for it to be your turn than they send you back to your hotel and still pay your straight time to stay sober and wait for the phone to ring! I reacently worked at a plant in TX and got paid 12hrs. a dy for 2 days to sit in the pool!!

The bad sides are that you get used to the money comeing in then you come home and sit on your ass with no job waiting for the next outage. And it's not a good job for people with a family, there is a high divorse rate among outage workers, cause your on the road and away from home for a mounth or more at a time and many can't resist the temptation of unpure thoughts.;)

But to answer you ques. I can't recal any "sector 7-g" at any of the plants I've worked at. But they do have a funny way of nameing the floors in the plant. Instead of "firls floor" and "second floor" they use the hight above (or below) sea level. like if the first fl. is 95 ft. above sea level than that floor is called "95 foot" and so on with each floor.

-Caine
HYD Racing

IIRC, Taiwan has at least 3 Nuke Power Plants.. the island is smaller than the state of California..SO i guess its possible that California might be able to build a couple ;) hehehe

dude.. get back to the topic! this is about Stealth Turbo setup! not Nukes! :D :lol: :lol: