Just as it says, is it possible? P&P turbo, P&P heads, all the bolt ons and tuning. Has anyone done it. Dropping the car off a cliff doesn't count.

if you know it's possible then why are you asking if anyone's done it? i personally don't think there's anyway a wrx is hitting 12's on the stock turbo. but i guess i could be wrong. and i doubt that any owner is going to spend the time and money to port and polish stock wrx heads and turbo just to see if they can hit 12's...


chris

qtp's car went 12.7. qtp header/dowpipe and utec.

then there ya go.... looks like i was wrong. now it just amazes me that wrx's are spending tons of money on stage 4 kits when all they need is qtp's header and d/p and a utec to hit 12's... :huh:


chris

There's a LOT that can be done in this department.

High octane fuel (more boost = more power), chassis lightening (better power/weight), nitrous, etc... It is definitely possible.

then there ya go.... looks like i was wrong. now it just amazes me that wrx's are spending tons of money on stage 4 kits when all they need is qtp's header and d/p and a utec to hit 12's... :huh:


chris

Take a stage 4 and the setup you just talked about, and see who pulls on a highway. The majority of people here want daily drivability.

then there ya go.... looks like i was wrong. now it just amazes me that wrx's are spending tons of money on stage 4 kits when all they need is qtp's header and d/p and a utec to hit 12's... :huh:


chris

Its not really that easy or consistent, and those mods listed will only net you 240-250whp optimistically so you will get blown out in a highway race. Unless you get a freak like mine where i was able to pull on stg.4 cars with upgraded turbos with my stock turbo because i used to drive around track ready with race gas and no weight in the car lol.

Paul

i ran a 12.9 with a catback+downpipe, intake, and mbc!!!! at us41 about 1 month ago

oh 93 octane

stock turbo no fuel everything else was bone stock

Yes about 6 people have made documented 12.99 runs without nitrous. This is one of several threads on 12 second stock turbo runs.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527449

12.9$500rex if you can document your run, I'll add you to the list on page 2.

Larry

how do i do this? and it was a 12.98 lol!

It seems as i have less mods than them as well. I really only had a home made mbc set at approx 17-18 psi w/93 octane( i hit fuel cut right at the end of the 1/4 mile almost every run, a cheap ass 3" catback and 3" downpipe w/o uppipe cuz it's still in my garage, and an injen intake. The saddest thing is i did all of the work and i'm 16! lol
60' was 1.78
1/4 et was 12.989
trap speed was 102.99 mph

I have my timeslip, should i scan it or something? then what do i do after this?
reaction time 1.111 lol wasn't paying attention
60ft 1.781
330ft 5.278
et@594ft 7.703
1/8 et 8.244
1/8 mph 83.29
1000' et 10.798
1/4 et 12.989
1.4mph 102.99

email me at wrxstiws6@yahoo.com with instruction or anything

If you have some way to post the image that's good enough for me, or you can email it to me, I'm at work now I'll send you info when I get the time after I am off work.

Those are good times. The best ET for a stock turbo 2.0 L wrx right now is the 12.78 run by Quicktime. Anytime quicker that 12.99 at sealevel or 13.48 here at high altitude is definitely a time to be proud of.

Nice job. Just out of curiosity what was the temp when you made that run?

Larry

12.9$500rex, turn up the wick!;)

temp was in the high 40's

having some trouble w/my scanner, gotta use a friends now, what was the mods the rex had that ran a 12.78? and the temp for the run ect.

Read the thread I posted a link to ;)

About half those sub 12.99 runs were run in temps below 50 deg F., some near freezing.

My run at high altitude was run at about 80 deg F.

Larry

im pretty sure the QTP wrx was converted to rear wheel drive

Dont hurt your arm patting yourself on the back ;)

~v6

*cough* timeslip *cough*. and the qtp run was on race gas i think.

I dont think it should count.... :disco: I love how QTP doesnt mention that they have RWD on their mods list, cheaters.

I think jmott on here ran a 12.9 on a stock turbo wrx. He's a pretty damn good driver though too...

2002 WRX
Exhaust Depot catless DP
MBC (17psi)
Vishnu stage Zero Unichip
Flowtech Cutout
MRT CAI
TurboXS RFL BOV
Daddys 4" CF scoop

13.4.......summer

Now Ive got a Samco Intercooler hose, and hacked the CAI into a short ram.


hummm.....mabey I should actually go after the 12 second club. Its not out of reach right now considering the cold weather.:) Hell, I dont even have Up-pipe yet, intercooler, or any weight savings.:lol:


Michael

i'll have a 12 this summer when the track opens up the only thing is i won't have the stock gears in my tranny and i'll also have alky injection since the highest oct we get here in alaska now is 90 octane piss water, looking into some mrt gears just haven't figured out what ratios i want them cut to yet. so until it happens i'll stay happy with the 13.17 et and the 101.5 trap with the stock til then.


mike

I have seen QTP's car run a few times and it is not RWD. He just launches it very hard at really high rpms.(if you were referring to the video where it looks like he almost picks the fronts up)
Dave

so how do i post my slip up here?

QTPs car is owned by Barry and it is in fact AWD and ran the 12.7 on pump gas, full weight, spare and jack!

QTPs car is owned by Barry and it is in fact AWD and ran the 12.7 on pump gas, full weight, spare and jack!

i stand corrected :alien:

Yep, the qtp car is AWD and was run on pump gas when he made the 12.7 pass. Barry drives the snot out of it.

Only mods
QTP Header
QTP DP
UTEC

Stock turbo/clutch/motor/ic ect.....

junior

yoyo how do i post my slip???? my 12.98:)

im pretty sure the QTP wrx was converted to rear wheel drive

Nope its not, its AWD of course. edit: didnt notice that 5 people already said that lol.

does a ported stock motor count?? if so a local down here was running consistant 12.3-12.4s with the common bolt ons ported heads and a stock turbo

What people say they did and what they actually did are often not the same. Talking about the gas here. You know how many guys run increased boost at the auto-x and deny it?

But, if you guys say so, ok then. Drag racer I am not so what do I know. Hoosiers should help quite a bit I'll wager so maybe.

not i, it's called video taping

No ported cylinder heads would not be appropriate for that quick list of stock turbos.

The intent was box stock engine, OEM 13T turbo and most any other low cost up grade. Sort of a "what does it take to run 12's" formula. It is also a very good bench mark for driver skill and attention to detail, as the average guy cannot run a 12 on the stock turbo. It is possible but the driver has to be on the money, it has to be a good day ( ie typically cool weather) a track that allows a good 1.7xx 60' time and all the basic mods like up pipe, down pipe, low back pressure exhaust system.

This started off as sort of an unofficial competition and I decided it merited a list of those who made a bonafide sub-12.99 run at sea level or sub 13.48 here at high altitude. I've also listed a couple of folks that had near miss runs as well.

The performance that guy is getting does serve as a good indicator of how much performance is setting on the table in the form or head work and cam upgrades though so thanks for passing the info on.


12.9$500rex -- I got your email adding you to the "quick list" ;)

Larry

No ported cylinder heads would not be appropriate for that quick list of stock turbos.

The intent was box stock engine, OEM 13G turbo and most any other low cost up grade. Sort of a "what does it take to run 12's" formula. It is also a very good bench mark for driver skill and attention to detail, as the average guy cannot run a 12 on the stock turbo. It is possible but the driver has to be on the money, it has to be a good day ( ie typically cool weather) a track that allows a good 1.7xx 60' time and all the basic mods like up pipe, down pipe, low back pressure exhaust system.

This started off as sort of an unofficial competition and I decided it merited a list of those who made a bonafide sub-12.99 run at sea level or sub 13.48 here at high altitude. I've also listed a couple of folks that had near miss runs as well.

The performance that guy is getting does serve as a good indicator of how much performance is setting on the table in the form or head work and cam upgrades though so thanks for passing the info on.


12.9$500rex -- I got your email adding you to the "quick list" ;)

Larry



Man. All this stuff makes me want to mod my car again!

Then you should Bryan. So we can race again. On the track that is.
lol :lol:

James

Then you should Bryan. So we can race again. On the track that is.
lol :lol:

James


You can have some of the Neon when we're both done.

Back in 02 I saw a bone stock silver WRX with no mods what so ever save a 75 shot Zex dry shot run 12.7 back to back in California. It was a board members car. Cant remember who. He had the kit in a duffle bag in the back seat and a line running up to the intake. The car was 100% stock other then that. The kit cost him about $400 I remember. I believe his traps where righ around 100 mph or so. Maybe a bit higher. He ran the car this way for months and finaly the stock turbo went out. He replaced it and kept on going. I guess you guys will say that does not count as its nitrous but it was still pretty neat to see a bone stock car with a duffle bag in the back slaughter the 5.0 club. :)

Clark

thx hotrod, i'm sure i'll hit better time this january when my utec and uppipe come in!

Yep, the qtp car is AWD and was run on pump gas when he made the 12.7 pass. Barry drives the snot out of it.

Only mods
QTP Header
QTP DP
UTEC

Stock turbo/clutch/motor/ic ect.....

junior

So hes still runnin on stock boost ?? wow thats crazy

The mods that Barry posted for that run on the other thread where he announced it,
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527449

were:

We it all came together last night at atco raceway. Headed down and ran the WRX. Info on the car:
03 WRX Sedan
AEM Short Ram Intake
TXS DSBC
Greddy S Type BOV
Quick Time Performance Electric Cutout Down Pipe
Quick Time Peformance Long Tube Tri Y Header
TXS UTEC Dyno Tuned @ Turbotrix
Centerline RPM 17X7 Rims
Nitto 450 225/45/17

Full Weight with spare/jack. Only thing removed from this car was the baby seat

Clark:
Amazing what a little Nitrous will do.
I have a couple of nitrous runs listed on that list,

AWD1320 1.563 60'
12.052@111.91 with Nitrous 75 shot 3/23/03

STEALTH-WRX 1.762 60'
12.068 @111.53 With Nitrous 95 shot wet
at fomoso raceway august 10, 2002

Clearly a bit of squeeze is worth just about a full second. ;)
IIRC they both said that was a one time shot and they wouldn't be making a habit of it, as that big a nitrous shot on the WRX is a little spooky.

Larry

When my engine and turbo were stock I hit a 12.51 and 109 as my best MPH. I did have an APS POD/TBE with a cat and a Turbo-XS FMIC and that was it.

Engine is a 2.0 Spec-C but I am starting to wonder if it is? Now that I have changed to a FP Green I pulled a stinkin 12.6@116 :confused: This thing sux to launch now :mad:

When my engine and turbo were stock I hit a 12.51 and 109 as my best MPH. I did have an APS POD/TBE with a cat and a Turbo-XS FMIC and that was it.

Engine is a 2.0 Spec-C but I am starting to wonder if it is? Now that I have changed to a FP Green I pulled a stinkin 12.6@116 :confused: This thing sux to launch now :mad:

why would you wonder if its truly a spec-C?
Is the clutch or the green making it difficult to launch....or both? :confused:

why would you wonder if its truly a spec-C?
Is the clutch or the green making it difficult to launch....or both? :confused:
Cause the engine had a VF30 on it when I got it not a VF34 which a Spec-C should have as far as I can find. My engine had all the #'s taken off of it when it was removed and sent over here so I cannot confirm what it is?

It may just be a JDM STi for all I know :confused:

Take off the manifold and look at the risers. Type RA risers are hollow and round all the way through. STI risers have a plate in them where the injector pokes through. Spec C's came with 30's, 34's and 35's so thats not a sure thing. Did the engine come with an ECU? Whats the number if so? Spec C's also have a slight bobble at idle due to the larger cams. Normal STI's are smoother then a stock WRX motor.

C

then there ya go.... looks like i was wrong. now it just amazes me that wrx's are spending tons of money on stage 4 kits when all they need is qtp's header and d/p and a utec to hit 12's... :huh:


chris


The cars on the stock turbo hitting 12's are trapping 4-7mph lower than stage 4 cars. WHich means on the highway they wouldnt win.
They are also running BIG boost on the stock turbo, enough that its not going to last very long. If I am not mistaken, they all did it on race gas as well. Although I wanna say its been done on pump too.

Either way, a stage 4 car will make more power than a stock turbo'd car as long as its tuned well.
The stock turbo may hit 12.9
A vf22 can hit 12.2
Now do you understand? .7 is a HUGE gap at the end of the track.

Take off the manifold and look at the risers. Type RA risers are hollow and round all the way through. STI risers have a plate in them where the injector pokes through. Spec C's came with 30's, 34's and 35's so thats not a sure thing. Did the engine come with an ECU? Whats the number if so? Spec C's also have a slight bobble at idle due to the larger cams. Normal STI's are smoother then a stock WRX motor.

C
If that is the case(VF30-34-35) then yes it is a Spec-C. That is about the only reason I thought otherwise :huh:
The tumbler deletes on this engine are HUGE and the idle is lopey but, I don't have a JDM STi to compare it too? It came with no ECU so I wound up having it installed by Rallispec as trying to figure out the AVCS way back when was beyond me.

I still wish I could find a book with information on Subaru engines so I could pinpoint this stuff more easily :rolleyes:

What I'm thinking about is Deadbolt Monster TD04, headers (or match porting stock peices), Cobb CNC machined head w/shim under conversion, Crower stage 3 cams, STi top mount, match ported intake, custom tune in addition to the my current mods (uppipe, TBE, pulleys, IC hoses).

pwr top mount,sbc-id, fcd, 110 octain, 18 ilbs of boost, full exaust, up pipe ,and so on , i saw a car hit 12.93 :huh:

I think I also forgot to add I did the 12.5 untuned and pump 94 Ultra :disco:

i saw i kid who claimed to be stock hit 12.76. he did it in the middle of summer too.
i told him about posting it here, but i guess he never did. i knda doubted it, but who cares now?