Keep reading comments to the effect that although "I really like the WRX and everything", I'm going to wait for the STI (because I know it'll be baader). What good is all this "waiting" going to do for something that may not be here for a long while?

Heh, because the world of Gran Tourismo and Sega GT have messed with people's minds as to how much speed one really needs.

Don't blame me, I own a 2.5RS, but obviously I need a the real WRC version of the impreza. Maybe I'll wait for that.

First it was the WRX, now it's the STi, then it'll be the Type RA, then it'll be the 22B. It's the never-ending scooby cycle.

I doubt the RA or 22B would EVER see the States via dealership.
I'm prepared to eat my words, of course. :D

I'm holding out for the STi. Why? I have an '00 RS. Sucker may as well be brand new, I've only had it for a year, so I can wait.

Some folks say the STi won't make it here. If so, well... bummer, but life ain't over. I'll maybe drop a good amount of cash into the RS.

Or... sacrifice AWD and go for an Acura RSX Type-R when it gets here. Someday.... :)

-S2-

I'm waiting for the P1... ;)

Korey
..or the P2?

I have the P1 !!!!:lol: :lol: J/K!!!
close enough!!!

Yeah I just bought my WRX while I'm on the waiting list for a 360 Modena.... :rolleyes:

I guess I needed something to drive while I'm waiting for my Sti so I just bought the WRX. Why not have some fun while you're waiting. :D

i don't know why ppl say that...everyone was saying that also.
Yeah, I'm gonna wait for a car that might not come out, and if it does, its probably gonna be a lot more money:)
ehehe
We will see who actually buys one if it comes out. (btw...if it does and its priced well..my wrx is for sale:) )
Keith

I don't have a car, and I'm still in University... I'm waiting to graduate (2 years), by then hopefully an STi will be around. If so, it'd be a nice first car to own, don't ya think? :D

Why wait? Buy a WRX, then buy a STi when it arrives.

When you consider how successful the WRX has aleady been I would expect that the prices ain't gonna be lower next year! I bet they go up $1000 or so.

STi is going to be pretty expensive as well. In the UK it is 29,000 pounds for a grey market STi from Warrender http://www.warrender.co.uk so in US that is $45,000! It is going to be a pretty awesome yet expensive car when it is here!

Well.. the STI will be here in Australia before Christmas. I just thought I'd let you know. :D estimates are it will be around $65K AUD. :)

And I'm waiting for it - I admit it! I have my reasons
for not wanting a WRX. For one thing, it's still the first year
- waiting for the bugs to be fixed. Two, I know I will want
the STi WHEN it comes out, so I'm willing to wait. And it will
be less than two years from now. I'm guessing latest will
be fall of 2002. I can handle that. This is NOT just chasing
after the latest new thing. I know what I want, and I'm willing
to wait. Period.

But I have to find something in the mean time. So now I'm off
to post a new topic...

Originally posted by rktwgn
Keep reading comments to the effect that although "I really like the WRX and everything", I'm going to wait for the STI (because I know it'll be baader). What good is all this "waiting" going to do for something that may not be here for a long while?

Deja Vu!?! This is exactly what was being said in 1996-1997 when I bought my Outback Sport...all they way up to about October of last year. No one thought the WRX was going to come to the states either. It was almost a definite that it wasn't going to make it here due to emissions. Yet, you heard people saying over and over that they were going to wait it out and it happened. Remember?

You fool! You dare to question the wrath of the Scooby subculture? J/K :D

I know the real situation on the STI but I'm to keep it quiet...

I *can* say that the STI will be here in a *VERY* limited number...such that the handful that is coming will be fought over...even dealership management and dealership OWNERS aren't guaranted ones for themselves......Emissions on the car is a *real* interesting story...

I'll drop info as I can...

Tre'

RallyGuy2k:

Not that I don't believe you, but ...

May I ask how you came to know so much?

Dan
P.S. You can PM me with more info. I won't tell! :)

In my experience I found that as soon as I got my RS the WRX talk began which lead to its debut. Had I waited one year I would be driving a WRX. As much as I like the WRX I will not part with my RS because it is the last of its kind if you know what I mean. Therefore I would rather wait and see how things develop on the STI issue in the meantime paying off the RS and possibly getting the STI or a WRX after my RS is payed for. Does everyone understand? I think I have confused myself. In other words I think many RS owners feel the same as I do, I don't want to go buy a WRX when the possibility of owning an STI version is on the horizon. Who knows, I may just buy some other kind of vehicle when the time comes. Just look at all the autos that may be available in the next 4 years.

I'm waiting for the STi.

I'm also waiting for the Evo VII. And the RSX Type R. And the Passat VR8 4-Motion 6-speed. And the TL Type S 6-speed. And the Jetta 24V VR6. And the 3.5L Maxima. And the much rumored new Altima. And the Mini Cooper S. And the Mazda RX8. And the Focus SVT. And on . . . And on . . .

An enthusiast of the automotive scene is always waiting for something new and exciting!

Originally posted by WRX Fan
...in US that is $45,000! It is going to be a pretty awesome yet expensive car when it is here!

Hmm, well most reports say that it'll be around $30k. I SERIOUSLY doubt there'd be a 20-grand premium over WRX cost just for the STi. It is, after all, the same car, just with a few nice changes. I could see the price MAYBE rising a bit over the $30k range, but I doubt into the $40s. If it did, I don't think I'd buy it.
I'd waiti for the new Audi S4 and do that instead. Just because I like them. :D

-S2-

I thought about it. Waiting for the STi that is. But nope. Couldn't do it. I like to modify my can and if I spend 30k on the STi I doubt I'd touch it. The STi is the full package with wheels, tires, exhaust, suspension, brakes, internals, seats, etc. It's pretty set from the factory. But I can upgrade what I want on my WRX, have fun with it, and hopefully keep it under the price of an STi. Especially since I got the car at invoice. Who knows, It might get even greater power than the STi with certain mods and with all the progress Cobb and the rest have made it's now possible.

Yeah see that's one good point. I could even keep my '00 RS and do some upgrading in a few years, when my warrantee is about up. (I bought a 100k mi. Extended one.) Turbo maybe, a couple other engine things, suspension, new wheels...

-S2-

I'm sponsored by West Houston Subaru...;)
We got to talking about the big SOA meeting in Arizona...

I also can tell you that in around Feb. the redisigned Forester comes out with an optional TURBO..;) Not necessarily the WRX engine...but a turbo'd engine anyway...

Also a year or two after that look for a 7 passenger SUV...

( Shameless plug: West Houston Subaru has sold more WRXs then any other dealership in the US....;) )

Tre'

When the STi does come, it will be expensive and hard to get --- most of the people waiting for it will realize the WRX was a good deal after all.

Glenn

Glen summed it up...:)

Glen and Rallyguy are 100% correct. Considering the car goes for around 24k and has lot's of potential it's a hell of a bargain. I wish I could of bought 2.:D

I am NOT waiting for the Sti. The WRX is the most car I can afford at this point in my life. If the STi was offered tommorw, I could not have it. :( I love my WRX, and while you other guys are waiting, I am out driving. :D

The reason I chose not to wait, were simple:

1) no STi wagon...nuff said

2) the price of the STi car will be perilously close to that of rides like the S4 Avant (mmmm...wagon), unless Subaru decontents the STi to get it closer to the $30K mark. If the full-bug STi shows up, I'd guess the number would be north of $35K.

Of course, if I hear that there's an STi wagon, grab me a platter so's I can eat my words, then get out of my way, cuz I'm getting a place in line! :lol:

Kevin

in NZ the new version STi is ~US$28500, not heaps dearer than the original wrx. you can look at it in 2 ways; firstly that to upgrade everything on a wrx to STi spec would be ridiculously expensive/borderline impossible, and the STi is a heaps better car than the wrx in every respect. secondly you will find that a wrx with a few basic bolt on mods can outperform a stock STi(no kidding), and a wrx will respond better to mods than an STi. the money you save on getting the wrx can be spent on mods that will give you more power than the STi comes with, although it won't look/feel/handle/drive like an STi.

When you consider how much people are paying for new WRX's (+$28,000) even though the sticker base is $24,000; how much do you think you'll really end up paying for an even more limited, $30,000 based sticker STi? I guess prob around $35,000-$40,000. This is the real world, sticker prices don't matter if the demand is high enough.

hey Gugarci, what's this "variant" stuff?
are we turning into a VW/Audi board???
:lol:

hey kevin, guess what, there is an STi wagon. looky here:
http://www.subaru.co.jp/impreza/sti/line/img/line_top.jpg
pj

ok, so the Forester has the 2.5 in it right now, right?

and the Forester is not necessarily getting the WRX powertrain . . .

so it MAY keep the 2.5 . . .

so Subaru MAY be offering a factory turbo application for the 2.5L Forester that MAY be able to snake it's way into 2.5 RS's?

Maybe? (i know it's not THAT simple, but still . . . .)

i dunno, this just sounds like the answer to all the turbo-tuner nightmares the RS owners (especially first-gen) have been experiencing . . .

Totally agree with Glenn! of course I will try to get a STI if they come over anyway but at least I have a backup :)

I have posted this elsewere, but I'll post it again; IF the STI comes over it will probably be a Spring 2003 model! This may depend on Mitsubishi bringing the EVO, which is also up in the air.

Just what I heard at my dealership, take it for what its worth.

-Anders

An interesting thought is the WRX was emissioned for California and then sold to everyone under that spec. Unlike some other cars where there is a special california package/option that changes things sometimes often leading to slightly degraded performance.

If the same thing is done to the STI and it still retains 276hp I'll be suprised.

P.S. Kevin was referring to the fact that every rumor on the STI coming here doesn't mention any wagons coming, only sedans.

If the Sti sedan does come here and sells, then it would only be natural to offer the wagon a little later that year or the following year. I think in many cases the WRX price is outta reach for some. I wouldn't have considered buying it if I didn't have a trade-in that kept the price inline with my finances. Now that I have a WRX, a trade-in with it will place me in the same ballpark to be able to get an STi. We'll just have to wait and see!:)

why wait? because I am too damn happy with my MY00 RS to get rid of it now for a WRX. It's not worth it to me.

im waiting for the Yugo Type SLO Version Q......thats gonna be badasss

Depends on Perspective

and the person involved. The STI is gonna be expensive, and IF it arrives it is going to be one bad machine.... some things are worth the wait -especially if your gonna buy and you want a nice chunk of change as a down payment. So, that would preclude getting a WRX now, as it could eat into your funds for the STI...

Then there's the other viewpiont of "well, what if It doens't arrive" then, might as well drive something that is badass now - like the WRX and modify it or trade it for the STI...

Or if you just love being into huge amounts of debt, or money in no object for you - maybe then you can have both cars...

I don't know man - right now the WRX and STI is a dream that will remain unfulfilled until I become a better driver....

I figure if i start selling blood 2-3 times a week maybe i can afford an STi (with trading in my wrx) when it comes out!

Hey Gumball, I actually got use to calling wagons Variant from my dad who's originally from europe. Plus I think the term Variant sounds better than wagon IMO. And yes as a former VW owner everyone the VW Vortex forums also calls them Variant.:D

I think anyone in the market for a car now should get the WRX.
Regardless of what anyone else says, there's no guarantee that the car will be sold here, untill you actually see it in the showroom. Things can happen to make a company changed their mind. Could be economic reasons, political, or even new trends in the automotive business. If i needed a car now, I would get the WRX now, knowing it's here. How would you feel if you decided to wait for the STI and later find out that it's not coming here. But also find out later that the WRX will no longer be sold in the USA.
I would definetely hate myself.

I'd like to do the wagon, too, if it comes. I'm upset that we don't get fender flares or the 225-series tires (as say the overseas STi specs), but...

If they're aiming for $30k, it'll probably MSRP for low $30k range.
Say $32k. If you go to a respectable dealer, they won't gauge the price.

I Moderate an S2000 board. Honda dealers gauged the price on that, in some cases, as much as $10k. People bought it. I guess if you don't mind, and you have high tolerance for stupidity and no desire to fight it, then pay that. Or........go to a GOOD dealer that doesn't do that, and pay sticker.

A Honda dealer down the street from my old apartment never gauged S2000s, even from day one. I have faith that my Subaru dealer would do the same. You guys are right, if the MSRP is in the high $30k range, it's in Audi territory... but not S4 territory.

-S2-

Originally posted by Draven
im waiting for the Yugo Type SLO Version Q......thats gonna be badasss

How about a turbocharged/intercooled AWD Subaru Justy with a WRX engine? 227hp and 1700-1900lbs of weight would be nasty. OMG!!! :eek:

They'll sell the STi here. It's simple economics. They've had no problems selling the WRX, and it's done wonderful things for Subaru's image. You can't get a better halo model. Subaru is realizing that, as in the rest of the world, they can market themselves as a performance car manufacturer. Throwing a turbo engine in the Forester (and Legacy) also makes sense. The H6, from what I understand, has been a bit of a sales disappointment. The 2.5 engine in the Legacy and Forester is underpowered compared to their competitors. A turbo engine is both cost effective (it's already been certified), powerful, and--"hey, isn't that the same engine as in the WRX!"--makes a lot of sense from a marketing and branding perspective.

A sport model of some sort will make it here, that is the way Subaru markets. Bring in something better each year. Then a whole new wave of buyers is ready.

I see a wider rear in the works in the next few years to replace the 22b. The sedan looks would be improved. The wagon looks more proportioned in current form.

If that car comes here in a wagon form, I am getting one. Period.

What more can I say?

Oh yeah, I dare anyone to honestly tell me that the wagon isn't the best looking car in that brace of STis in the pix. :D Mmmm....wagon.

Kevin

gtguy,

u have a wagon fetish dont u??

Okay, I admit it! I'm out of the closet! I love wagons (oh, the shame...). Stealth, can haul my bikes, groceries and whatnot. Wagons rule.

Kevin

You tell em' gtguy :D

If it does get here I hope it does before the end of next year. My wife wants a WRX and I want an STI. I have a WRX so I would give her mine a buy the STI. I plan to have the WRX paid off buy mid 2003 anyway so when ever it gets here Im ready. $65k AUD Cool... aprox $33k us cool with me.

Ken