Just got an email from my friend saying that his car is finally done, after waiting since ****ing March for the shop to finish it,(its a long story) Anyways, its time to for us to find out who has who in some dragracing.
The only mod I have so far for the WRX is the silencer removal. [Project Dana better get moving!]

The Civic has a Japanese Prelude Type-S engine exhaust, intake, springs/shocks, 16 inch rims.

The RX-7 is a turboed '90 with exhaust, springs/shocks, and boost controller. And probably some other goodies.

How bad am I going to be beaten in a 1/4 mile race?

P.S. Anyone want to buy a 1995 Toyota Corolla? So I can start modding my car.

LoL, your car will kill the civic, not sure about the rx-7.

Oh and is anyone wants to add what cars a 2.5RS can beat, stock or minor mods, plz do add.

The civic is a 97/98 coupe.

I think that it would be hard to beat the RX-7 if that thing redlines as high as most of them seem to do. You would be well into second near his redline in first, that just doesn't seem fair. Anywho, I may not know what I'm talking about, just thought I'd offer an opinion. I'd say RX-7.

Nick C.

Originally posted by Hyudra
LoL, your car will kill the civic, not sure about the rx-7.


Not sure how bad you will 'kill' a 200hp Civic. My last Civic only had around 175hp and ran 14.2 @ 99mph.......

Anyways, which civic is it?, ex, lx?

14 second civic?

175 hp civic is deffinately far from stock

FYI, JDM spec H22A motors in the Type-S model of the Prelude is packing 220hp.

ok, it packs 220 horse, but he didnt say it has the engine. He just said it has the Exhaust from the prelude type-s. I think thats a lot different from the engine. ;) I would say you have a chance if you can take them off the line. Make good use of the AWD and dont spin the tires. if you can get a good launch, you could take both cars easily.

The RX7 will win unless the driver is terrible and he only uses up to 3rd gear. The Civic guy isn't really talking about stock cars then is he if he is dropping that motor into it. So go out and do some more mods to your car then race him. You might as well make it fair.

Is this race going to be on the street? or track?

You stand a better chance on the street due to traction. If the Civic has the Prelude engine, you better have more mods than only intake silencer removal to be competitive. The same goes for the RX-7. The 2nd generation RX-7s are somewhat overlooked by most people. They are somewhat fast stock, and when maintained and in proper tune, they are very fast modded.

I would expect to see high 13's from either of the 2 cars at the drag strip with a good driver.

Good luck!

Later,

Dale

The civic has the JDM prelude engine.

This will be at a track probably in a couple of weeks when we can all get together. Where? Maybe Orlando, Miami, or Tampa. This is just a friendly battle amongst friends. I not too keen on dragracing but I promised my civic buddy that I would race him when it was finished.

And I already told my friend if I get whipped by his civic I am going to buy the 320hp APS kit and if its a close race I just settle for the 280hp kit, for now.

Dale where does your name originate?

rx-7's are just bad arse...
if all I cared about was straight line...id buy an rx-7. Plus with good tires ... they can corner really well with that low center of gravity...

with just minimal upgrades (exhaust, intake) you can give that bad boys powerband a HUGE range.

There are issues with hesitations...I know there is a 3k hesitation among most rx-7 owners and have experienced it myself.

Plus they just look cool...

Id say rx-7 all the way...

There are a couple of different meanings for it. One is a prehistoric rhinocerous. Another is some kind of disease. It's also a title of a Van Halen song. I've carried the handle for about 5 years now.

Later,

Dale

race them in the rain:lol:


Skylab™



*Does not condone any form of illegal racing..especially in poor weather road conditions*

Originally posted by Baluchitherium4
There are a couple of different meanings for it. One is a prehistoric rhinocerous. Another is some kind of disease. It's also a title of a Van Halen song. I've carried the handle for about 5 years now.

Later,

Dale

Sounded like some sort of bacteria. Like Clostridium. Cool.


ba·lu·chi·the·ri·um [b lch théeree m ] (plural ba·lu·chi·the·ri·ums) or ba·lu·chi·there [b lóoch thr ] (plural ba·lu·chi·theres) noun
large extinct rhinoceros: a large extinct rhinoceros that lived in Asia during the Oligocene epoch. It measured 5.5 m (18 ft) high at the shoulders and 8.5 m (28 ft) long, making it the largest ever land mammal. Latin name Baluchitherium grangeri


[Early 20th century. Formed from Baluchi + Greek thrion "wild animal"; from the fact that its remains were first found in Baluchistn.]

Horse-power aint the only thing you need to look at. What about wieght and Torque?yeahthats what i thought.

Heh if were talking about the H22A engine on the civic, then um.. ur up for some challenge. I must have missed the engine part and just saw the enhaust.

You'll definitely keep up with them, but I dunno if you'll beat em.

Hondas with engine swaps are nothing to joke about. They easily run 14's no problem. But really stock forr stock theres no comparison. The WRX wins stock for stock. MBC for the WRX...now were talkin.

All i know is that Gen II RX-7 can run 14.0 out of the box, and with mods your maybe looking at 13's low or high, i dont know, but the RX-7 will be the fastest in my opinion...

-Peace-

you will not be able to touch the civic or mazda, the wrx is all hipe that civic if done right should hit high 13's. don't get me wrong i'll pick a sube over any of those cars but you got to know when you are beat!!! 227 hp is alright but i have that now without a turbo do some work before you go racin! or just commit to 6k RPM launches

I dunno about the civic. But If I had to put my life savings on the bet........ I would place it on the RX-7, no matter what year it is. It would be a hard thing to compare it to another matchup, but my best guess would be like putting a 2.5 RS against a saturn coupe. A HEALTHY advantage to the RS of course.

?~questions~? who in orlando put this engine into this civic? and what color is this civic may i ask? this is something i'd like to see...

Heh, I was gona say, how did you get the H22A motor into the civic? Seems like almost everyone agrees that it's possible, but I don't think it is. Your friend has to be pulling your tail about whats under his hood.

Now for the important question,
Does the Civic have a 50 shot or 100 shot Type "R" Badge on it? That will be the determining factor :D

Seriously... I think that it will be close with the civic and I think that the RX-7 will eat you.

When I only had an intake in my RS, I raced a civic dx with a (integra gsr engine) b18c engine. Those cars are MAD FAST with hybrid engines, ESPECIALLY the h22a swap done to a civic, will blow the **** off of most cars even though its only got 170 + or - to the wheels? All I know is, that its light, and big hp. In a race you dont need torque, hp is all that matters. Torque is what lets you off the line, but you need more hp if youre going to be keeping up. In a wrx it would be neat to find out :D.

An H22A in a Civic will get you into the 12s for a stock weight car. For a light weight hatchback (CX i think) with slicks, stripped interior, etc, people have run well into the 9s and that is naturally aspirated.

A "heavy" civic is still about 2500lbs. A CRX can be easily lightened to about 1900lbs.

These cars are completely useless, however when any kind of curves are involved due to horrible weight distribution (mad understeer).

Sorry, but a stock WRX doesn't stand a chance against either of these cars on the dragstrip, especially since you are not going to be doing any high rpm clutch drops.

Originally posted by mhj
An H22A in a Civic will get you into the 12s for a stock weight car. For a light weight hatchback (CX i think) with slicks, stripped interior, etc, people have run well into the 9s and that is naturally aspirated.


Please fill us in on what light weight Civic hatchbacks are running into the 9's, naturally aspirated.....in street trim? Hell, even in race trim, I'd like to know what Civic(s) are running into the 9's. I think you are pulling everyone's leg here. I could be a little behind in my info but I thought R&D Racing had the fastest N/A Civic. It ran a best of 'only' 10.73@129.8mph. This is an all out race car. Does anyone have any proof of any faster times of a 4 banger N/A'd car?


As far as what car I think would be the fastest, I give it to the civic....provided it gets a 60" time of 2.0 or less. It's power/weight ratio is better than an ITR (The civic with the 200hp motor) and it has (I believe) better top end than the WRX. It may be able to top out the RX7.

stephen papadakis in his yellow civic with H22A turboed full race tube frame car = 8 second car, last i read.
pj

I had a Preslude type S japan spec motor in my 92 Accord. It had DC header, AEM intake, exhuast and a Gforce ECU, I did a best of 13.7@104 traction limited. A true type S H22A is a monster. Mine did 226.3 at the wheels. Be careful, if his Civic is striped or lightened he will win.

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www.tmrmzine.com/lexus

www.tmrmzine.com/mybaby

Originally posted by pbnj9786
stephen papadakis in his yellow civic with H22A turboed full race tube frame car = 8 second car, last i read.
pj

I'll try this again. I will quote myself with bold captions for emphasis. "I could be a little behind in my info but I thought R&D Racing had the fastest N/A Civic. It ran a best of 'only' 10.73@129.8mph. This is an all out race car. Does anyone have any proof of any faster times of a 4 banger N/A'd car?"

When I say 'N/A' I am referring to Naturally Aspirated Civics. No forced induction whatsoever, be it supercharged, turbo, Nitrous, a combination of those or some new wave boost. :D

oh my bad kevin, well yeah you are right the fastest NA cars out there are in the 10 sec range. but back to the topic, i have seen a 98 civic dx with a stock USDM H22A engine swapped in and all he had was an AEM CAI and DC headers + Tanabe Racing Medallion exhaust and he pulled high 12 sec at the track, i think. - some guy from new york with a silver civic, old super street article. yeah so watch out for those big engines in small cars, they can tear you up on the straights. i was going to go that route myself until i got a call from the subie dealer telling me that the long awaited WRX is here waiting for me., hehe.
pj

The 2nd gen turboII does not run a 14 flat stock. That is just pockey. The 87-88 turbo ran a 15.3, and the slightly more powerful 89-91s ran 15.0s. It's a 3000 lb car, rwd, with 200hp and 196 lbft. of torque. Keep in mind, a racing beat turbo back exhaust makes 58 flywheel hp on these cars. A cat-back makes about 25. A decent intake is about 15. If he has a turbo back, he'll probably beat you. If you have an MBC, you will probably beat him with a good launch and 60' time.

I would be alot more worried about the civic, to be honest. That's 220 bone stock hp with 160 lb ft of torque in a 2600 lb package. The work he has done will not make too much difference, as the j-spec preludes already have a good exhaust, headers and intake box from the factory. If he has cams, you are done for sure. A friend of mine has one and runs 13s on the street, although he used JG race cams, etc. He's going to build my 2.453 L hybrid prelude motor soon and swap that in. On slicks, he should end up in the 12s.

good luck! It will be a good close race, and totally driver dependent.
rob

Originally posted by sanders
?~questions~? who in orlando put this engine into this civic? and what color is this civic may i ask? this is something i'd like to see...

The RX-7 and Civic drivers live in Miami.

When we go to the track I'll make sure and post it with vids for all interested.

I don't think I have a chance now maybe never. It's just for fun anyways.

Originally posted by Koua Jones
I don't think I have a chance now maybe never. It's just for fun anyways.

Don't worry about. I can't tell you how many races I've won where the driver either got a bad reaction time, poor 60 ft time(s) or missed a shift...even a combo of these. A win is a win, period. Good luck! I'd be worried about that Civic driver though and I like RX7's.

Watch out for that RX-7 I owned an 87 NA with an intake and exhaust as my only mods and ran a flat 15 on my sencond run. A modded turdo is capable of some godd 1/4 mile times. I've personally seen a 2nd gen RX-7 TII run low 14's with an exhaust and intake for mods. Depending on how well the RX-7 is tuned it should be capable of quick times. As far as the Honda goes I'm not too familiar with mods and time for them, not a fan of FWD. Good luck.

their is a black 96&up civic hatch back w/ a H22A motor (I've seen it personaly) that lives in southern ME, I've seen him run a 13'7 at new england dragway. all motor!!! be afarid, be very afarid.

Don't forget the fact that with the rotary a simple street port gives you really killer gains :) esp. when coupled with the 13B turbo :)
Mmm.. my dream drift car is a 2ng gen 91 rx7 with a street port, , racing beat exhuast, among a lot of other goodies.. i'll have one someday :)

It was around 10:30 at night when i was coming back from a cafe on Golf and Greenwood, made a left (south) on Greenwood and a Civic Si all of the sudden is closing up behind me. I was cruising, didn't think anything of it (still wondering if it is an Si until it closed up on me and i could see his taillights). I was still cruising going on my way. Red light, the dude (polish-italian?) rolled down his window, asked me to race for money. I said "no, you can keep your money. You might beat me" so he insisted to give it a try anyway. He had exhaust (i could hear it), air intake (i could hear it) and suspension. The car was black with slightly tinted windows. We were on Dee Rd on the light by the end of Main West High School (for those that live in Chicago/Burbs). He wanted to give it a go, so green light comes on. We both take off with him screeching his tires for split of a second. I jumped in front and before he could do anything, I was about 4-5 cars in front (my car does 0-60 in approx. 6.8). I was on 3rd going 80, and then 4th going around 95-100...Didn't even see his headlights. Could that be a bad driver, or a bad Si? None of the two as we stopped on the red light on Higgins and Dee Rd. The guy was 25yrs old, had a muscle car, and didn't know what to say. He said he was shifting right, but he said I took off like an airplane. Hmmmmm....I have places to go, people to see...Talk to you later all.
Drive safely.
Tony.

argh, a late 80 early 90 porsche carerra wanted to race couple days ago. He got on my ass doing about 75 (I was going around 60 or so.) Got next me and dropped a gear, hear a loud roar and he was gone. Damn those things are fast :D Not like I want to race or anything, my car only has 500 miles on it.

btw, some A$$ in a camry tried to park behild me and bumped my car while my car was parked. Now there is a little dent/chipped paint on my bumper.. I was so freaking pissed this morning. I should have kicked the camry's ass.. do you guys know how I can fix that? touch up paint any good with WC Blue?

This is a 90' RX-7 not the newest incarnation. I say you'll spank the civic and possibly beat the RX-7. The stock WRX is by no means slow in the 1/4. It might come down to reaction time, of course those "other goodies" you said the RX-7 could have might eat you alive. They can be very, very fast. Good luck!

Put some new rubber on the WRX and auto-x your buddies. There were the real fun is.:D

I'm new to manuals (my WRX is my first), but today I did something right! I revved up as I waited behind someone making a left turn off a small bridge, let it loose (so the other cars who don't have the right of way don't jump in front of me), hit 6500rpm, shifted to 2nd, checked my speedo...55mph!!! It felt like a blink!!! Reallly, all I remember is blinking once!!! Like a damn warp drive or something. I've had fast cars, but wow. Just do what I did and you might beat anything on the road. :D

Honestly, you have to box within your class. Those guys sound like they're in different classes. Good luck though, I'm very interested in finding out how you do. Practice those launches (while not being too bad to your tranny).:)

hahah
'if all i cared about was going in a straight line' buy an rx-7? third gens are pretty much the best cornering japanese cars on the road... 2nd gens arent bad either, dont see how tires are going to make the car, but whatever, id take an rx-7 over a wrx anyday if i had the money for what comes with it

or maybe just over my RS =P

it's all relative, why does everything have to be relative? this sucks!

Forget all the theories on who will beat who. Let us know what happens. Is this race actually going to take place? You simply just don't know what the outcome will be.

Do either of your friends know how to drive? The guy with the civic could sit on the line for 3 seconds smoking his tires unless he knows how to launch properly. A civic coupe weighs about 2500 lbs, and with that motor, probably about 235 ish at the crank, he would smoke the WRX and maybe the RX-7 if he knows how to drive it. How much stock hp did the Gen II RX-7 turbos have?

i think someone already said this, but 2nd Gen RX-7's should NEVER EVER, EVER be underestimated. those cars are fast. although, some are terds. if it runs well, and is in tune, it should be pretty fast. oh, and an H22A will fit into a Civic, but not without modifications being done to the engine bay

Kevin- I could've sworn that the fastest N/A Civic was in the 9s. It could be the crack kicking in I suppose. It's been a while since I glanced at a copy of Stupid Street. Although I agree that street trim has to go to when you are hitting those times.

There are a few companies that make mount kits that allow you to bolt the B-series motors. I'm pretty sure there are at least weld in kits for the H-series. I think Place Racing even shoehorned in an Acura V-6 engine into a civic. I don't know what ever happened to that.

what type of civic?

hatchback weighs a lot less than a sedan

rx7s are made to go fast and handle great.
they just take a lot of maintance and care

i have a 93 and i just consider it a ferrari
the car you want to sell when its broke
the car you wouldnt ever sell when you are at wot :)