Amazing in car video from Solberg vs. the huge concrete block!

http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=1802

I have come to the conclusion that they need to abandon those stages with the Hinkelsteins. I know is it hairy chested real-man rally driving, but those things where meant to stop tanks, what hope does a 2000lb rally car have against them? It's a miracle this crash didn't end up as a tragedy, Phil Mills got bent half way over. Prodrive called it their worst wreck ever, and why? Because Peter when 6 inches wide coming out of a corner. The risk is not worth whatever excitement is gained from them.

I have come to the conclusion that they need to abandon those stages with the Hinkelsteins. I know is it hairy chested real-man rally driving, but those things where meant to stop tanks, what hope does a 2000lb rally car have against them? It's a miracle this crash didn't end up as a tragedy, Phil Mills got bent half way over. Prodrive called it their worst wreck ever, and why? Because Peter when 6 inches wide coming out of a corner. The risk is not worth whatever excitement is gained from them.
Agreed. The image of a car running through those stages are great but not worth it.

That was truly horrible. Hopelfully the wreck of the vehicle will give engineers more clues on how to improve on the roll cage even more. That was way too much of a close call.

thats terrible and hard to watch.

Dunno. I think if Solberg hadn't overcooked it, he wouldn't have stuffed the car. What's amazing is that they walked away. I remember watching the broadcast and thinking "Oh, no," having flashbacks to the Kai Lindstrom back injury in the Makinen crash.

I still can't believe how wadded up that car was.

Kevin

The German Rally organizers were on thin ice to begin with from the FiA, they were explicitly told to improve safety of the rally after Panizzi's and Solberg's crash. Expect next years stages to be up north in the Piesport/Mosel Ruwar region as opposed to surrounding Baumholder-St Wendelar-lan.

gtguy,

It wasnt Kai Lindstrom that got hurt in Corsica 2001, it was Tommi's old MSM codriver, Risto Mannisenmaki. He has still yet to fully recover.

The German Rally organizers were on thin ice to begin with from the FiA, they were explicitly told to improve safety of the rally after Panizzi's and Solberg's crash. Expect next years stages to be up north in the Piesport/Mosel Ruwar region as opposed to surrounding Baumholder-St Wendelar-lan.

gtguy,

It wasnt Kai Lindstrom that got hurt in Corsica 2001, it was Tommi's old MSM codriver, Risto Mannisenmaki. He has still yet to fully recover.

Thanks for the correx, WRXed. I always forget about Mannisenmaki, for some reason.

Kevin

no prob,

Sucks, because I was on that stage waiting for him to come through and they called over the radio!! That was right after I left the 1st SS, and Panizzi wrecked and cancelled that one too.

That video is a good piece to show how a roll cage is supposed to work. ie "give"

I have come to the conclusion that they need to abandon those stages with the Hinkelsteins. I know is it hairy chested real-man rally driving, but those things where meant to stop tanks, what hope does a 2000lb rally car have against them?

yeah, but trees don't move either. I don't see your point.

Crashes like this were the reason they (the FIA) did away with the Gruppe B cars. I really hated to see them go as they were some of the most amazing cars ever made but the number of dead spectators and injured drivers left the FIA with no choice. Hope it doesn't come to that again.

Fckn sht, man! I know that safety equipment has come a long way, but I'm still surprised they weren't seriously injured.

Wow... hinkelstein... thats a funny word

That was truly horrible. Hopelfully the wreck of the vehicle will give engineers more clues on how to improve on the roll cage even more. That was way too much of a close call.
I think the reason the cage failed so greatly is because of the initial impact against the Hinkelsteins weakened the cage by most likely bending the main structural tubes in the cage only causing further bending in the later impacts as seen in the video.

yeah, but trees don't move either. I don't see your point.
tree's do flex and give in an impact some...be it the trunk flexs/absorbs some impact or in the roots shifting slight amounts in the soil at the moment of impact...just think of this, a tree doesn't stop a tank unless it is quite a large tree

I thought I remember seeing that on TV. I thought that there was an outside view of it. Does anyone have it or remeber seeing it?

aren't they also called dragon'steeth or something?

Crap that was a nasty one!:eek:

yeah, but trees don't move either. I don't see your point.

The point is they are dangerous. You make a good point, trees are also dangerous, and so are the cliffs in other events (can't remember which, brain fade). I don't know what the difference is, but it just seems like we can do without the Hinkelsteins and still have good racing.

I think the reason the cage failed so greatly is because of the initial impact against the Hinkelsteins weakened the cage by most likely bending the main structural tubes in the cage only causing further bending in the later impacts as seen in the video.


the hinkelstein impacted the car behind the rear axle. If you look at the pics the right rear rims is perfectly fine as well as the rockers are in relatively good shape. The cage appears to collapse where they begin to angle inward at the midpoint on the doors. The hinkelstein impact was nowhere near this. The hinkelstein just facilitated the car going of course at high speed. The impact of the car on the ground while it was inverted would appear to be the cause of the cage's destruction.

just my .02 from looking at all the pics that showed the car after it came to a stop.

The impact of the car on the ground while it was inverted would appear to be the cause of the cage's destruction.

I was wondering if maybe it impacted another hinkelstein while inverted in the air... causing the destruction ???

tree's do flex and give in an impact some...be it the trunk flexs/absorbs some impact or in the roots shifting slight amounts in the soil at the moment of impact...just think of this, a tree doesn't stop a tank unless it is quite a large tree
nah dude, that's how Mark Lovell died, just smashed into a tree and died.

Damn, thats crazy, that roll cage just came down, I thaught those things were more solid :huh:

When I saw that while watching the rally my heart just stopped. I know that really effected both Petter and Phil on the next rallies just think about that crash gives me the creeps.

Damn, thats crazy, that roll cage just came down, I thaught those things were more solid :huh:
they are designed to slwoly crush to a certain degree..that absorbs the energy of the impact..if they were really strong adn immoveable the energy of the crash would be transferred through them into the people... = bad...

altho deforming too much and crushing poeple = bad too..

in the end there is a compromise between the two

Does anyone have this vid at full speed? I like the slow mo but when it is a pace it's so much more violent.

what are these hinklesteins things that are mentioned, are they those little cement things in the ground, what re they there for.

what are these hinklesteins things that are mentioned, are they those little cement things in the ground, what re they there for.

Those little cement things are there to stop Tanks, looks little but it's deep into the ground.

Also, if I'm not mistaken he retired in Germany 2002 for hitting a Hinkelstein but it wasn't so bad...well, didn't go airborne!!

Does anyone have this vid at full speed? I like the slow mo but when it is a pace it's so much more violent.

You can watch it in Pou's WRC2004 video, the link to the thread is
WRC2004 (http://web2.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=692886&page=4&pp=25&highlight=Pou)

They are huge concrete blocks, the part you can see is literally the tip of the iceburg, I think they weight upwards of a ton. They were used to keep the tanks on the road, if the tank goes wide it bumps the hink. and gets nudged back on the correct line.

You can watch it in Pou's WRC2004 video, the link to the thread is
WRC2004 (http://web2.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=692886&page=4&pp=25&highlight=Pou)
Whohoo! I have never seen his 2004 vid. :banana:

the hinkelstein impacted the car behind the rear axle. If you look at the pics the right rear rims is perfectly fine as well as the rockers are in relatively good shape. The cage appears to collapse where they begin to angle inward at the midpoint on the doors. The hinkelstein impact was nowhere near this.
The second one they hit (the first one spun the car violently to the right) with the nose of the car may have done something to the front cage mount.. where it collapsed (as seen on the camera mounted next to the A pillar). Is the cage attached to the front strut tower on the WRC cars?

holy S**T, im glad he's ok, what a wreck

thanks for clearing that up for me.

Keep in mind this was the rainiest rally in Germany yet. The roads were VERY dirty with half and half dampness on the SS sections.