OK...I been waiting waiting waiting waiting...researching....researching...researching ...SR55, FP Green, Rotated Setups, GT30R, GT35R etc. I'm broke!

I was going to wait more and I probably have to about month...but as of today I think my VF39 finally done...it freakin whistles?????????!!!!!! when on boost (or coming up from vacum) there is an extra distinct whistling sound that fads away... i thought it was boost leak but i've check all the couplings on my intercooler etc...i'm pretty sure its a bad turbo...i'm so broke i even thought of sending to deadbolt...or getting a vf22 or vf34...but i think those including my vf39 are too small for my FMIC....i should have sold this freakin thing before it went bad

so here is my $1750 solution...remember cost is the most important thing here:

FP Green 1450 http://www.harmanmotive.com/products/WRX/09turboSTI.htm#
Perrin Injectors 200 http://www.harmanmotive.com/products/WRX/04engineSTI.htm#
Perrin Turbo Inlet Hose 219
http://www.harmanmotive.com/products/WRX/04engineSTI.htm#
http://www.harmanmotive.com/products/WRX/04engineSTI.htm#
God Speed oil line 100 http://www.godspeedinc.com/
Total 1969

I already have:
APS CAI
APS BOV
APS 725 FMIC
APS 3.5" TBE
Wal Pump
Greddy Profec B II EBC
Greddy Emanage

I know I need tunning, most likely it be pulling out the Emanage and going with a dyno tunned EcuTEK. No need to convert this thread into a Emanage is crap and blows your engine.

My question for those with first hand experience w/ FP Green is:
What i've listed is all I need for install of this Turbo? Just the turbo and godspeed oil line??

I know the perrin or samco turbo inlet hose ease the install but i don't consider them necessary at this point.

Also a nice header i'm sure wouldn't hurt, but again i don't consider it necessary.


last but not least...since having a fmic my car feels like crap...i can say my car even felt stronger with all the mods minus the FMIC and tunning...i know thats not true since i gaind 50 whp after the FMIC and tunning...but my car is stutering (its not the BOV, i've been back and forth to stock and the APS unit)...
my theory is that the small compressor can't keep up pressurizing the FMIC system....it spools so quick (like a spike) and in between shifts ...it stuters because i think the engin is getting flooded with fuel....enough of this now my question:

how is the drivability of the FP Green...i'm hoping for a more lineaer response...not an ultra sudden jerk rush i'm having right now...of course i know the thing i hate the most will go away...that freakin boost going down to 1 bar pass 5K rpm to redline ;)

Or should i waste my money and send my VF39 to deadbolt and have'em check it out and put a bigger wheel in it etc.... <someone stop me from doing this

Thanks for coming advice

ull need a perrin or avo etc inlet hose to fit the green as the stock one is too small.

Nevermind. I can't read.

can someone confirm this? 100% ^ those things are not cheap...the perrin one is 229.99. Plus I heard its missing some of the fittings for the STi (I know its been argued those fittins are not necessary).

I doubted? I thought the Perrin one fitted the stock turbo? If so then I don't get it why its neccessary....every where I've seen people say it be much easier (but still hard) never seen anyone say its a must.
if it is a must it would make the green 1450+219= $1669 almost as much as a SR55 and making my freakin solution be 1969 :( what the freakin not cool

Key I am right in the middle of a FP Geen install along with the Perrin Modded injectors, Perrin Turbo inlet hose. You will need an aftermarket turbo inlet hose to fit over the FP Green. The inlet of the Green is larger in diameter. I was going to keep my stock inlet hose too and just sell the Perrin one and after i worked for about an hour trying to get the stock inlet hose to fit when it stretched over the green inlet it split at the end. The Perrin is alot smoother on the inside pluss its alot better looking too. On the turbo inlet install I found out that if you heat the hose up real good with a hair dryer it was alot easier to install with the manifold still on the car. Just remember to have the turbo losely bolted to the uppipe then get the inlet hose installed then bolt up your downpipe and then tighten the bolts on the turbo up.

You need to set it up with an external wastegate. More money I'm afraid.

ive got a fpgreen on my sti.. the plastic inlet hose wont stretch whilst the silcone perrin intake (one i have) is able to fit over the inlet of the turbo. Its definately a worth wild mod as the internal diameter of the intake is bigger allowing for more flow.

U dont need an external wastegate as i have no creep with my one. I think the older greens had problem with boost creep..

sflint50 Thank you for your reply.

creator8 do you have a FP Green? Your friend has one? I hope you have the FP Green and talking from experience and not out of your (O) I read. There was a big discussion in MY STI and FP Green thread w/carguyx and his recommendation and personal experience w/ internally gated green and then goin external and making 400+ whp and making 11.4 second pass. thats great but as it was discussed in the thread the internal gate works but not as good.
Thank you

^summary external waste gate NOT REQUIRED

im running internal gate on my car runs fine.. so yes not essential but later down the track can be used to get a bit more power out of her.. :)

I don't remember who's pic this belonged to, but here's a pic of an FP Green on an STi using the stock inlet tube....not a pretty sight at all. Get the Perrin inlet tube and be done with it. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/stillwill/FP%20Green/turboa.jpg


-Matt

I think that the boost creep with these turbos are car dependent. The past owner had no creep issues with the internal on my turbo but my car had serious boost issues. If you ever do, tial 44mm is the way to go ;)

and yes, you'd want one of them perrin inlet hoses, you'll just have to do some minor modifications to the PVC

Why not save a bunch of money and hassle by getting a SuperZilla? If your statement of "cost is the most important thing here" is true, read this:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675317

im running internal gate on my car runs fine.. so yes not essential but later down the track can be used to get a bit more power out of her.. :)

With internal wastegate can your Green hold the boost untill redline?
My Green (internal) boosting 1.8 bar at 4100 rpm but drop to about 1.25 bar at 7000 rpm on 2.35ltr + Jun cam + P&P WRX head. That boost reached with additional helper spring on my internal wastegate actuator. Real headache :eek:

Avo turbo inlet can be install easily to my Green.

SuperZilla: Oil AND water cooled - $1595.00 + S&H
mmm....still $45 more than the water/oil cooled Green w/Godspeed oil line + if its just as good why everyone uses green ...i should do a search becasue I don't think i've seen many superzilla posts...but I definitly look into it. Lastly i still need the perrin inlet hose right? I'm going to update my top post to include that...
So SuperZilla = Green
Both:
Compressor: T04 50 Trim wheel into the 20g milled housing
Turbine: 7 cm^2 with a Mitsu TD06H turbine wheel

last but not least...i know i'm gonna get killed for this....i think superzilla is kind of ugly?! lol :lol: :alien:

sflint50 Thank you for your reply.

creator8 do you have a FP Green? Your friend has one? I hope you have the FP Green and talking from experience and not out of your (O) I read. There was a big discussion in MY STI and FP Green thread w/carguyx and his recommendation and personal experience w/ internally gated green and then goin external and making 400+ whp and making 11.4 second pass. thats great but as it was discussed in the thread the internal gate works but not as good.
Thank you

I am speaking from experience--and not "a friend's" as a lot of people here seem to so I understand your skepticism. I have an FPGreen + FMIC and all of the supporting mods. I ran with an internal for a while and running a mild tune on 91 octane the car ran "OK". On an agressive race gas tune I had overboost issues--to the point that I it took out a ring land--that will cost you a lot more than an external setup.

The big numbers that people quote with internal Greens don't tell the whole story. The main issue with the internal that I haven't seen mentioned is how the boost kind of "fluctuates" on the midrange at part throttle as a result of the stock internal wastegate not being to hold the correct boost accurately. With the external its a different motor with a very smooth transition on the midrange at part throttle and the ability to accurately hold correct and max boost on the top end--resulting in more power.

I'm not saying that you can't or shouldn't run an internal as it works. And on some cars its less of an issue than others. The tuner that built my car does both setups its just with an external its much better. Its just not optimum to run the Green with an internal and if you are pumping all this money into this set up you really want optimum.

MY other recommendation, particularly if you are going with an internal is to use a mechanical boost controller. The AVCR doesn't play well with an internal green--at least mine didn't.

BTW: Harman Motive is a really good resource for info on this topic. Dan will give you the pros and cons then you can make the decision.

creator8 thank you for sharing the information. And I apologize for my skeptisim.

WRX-Blue-Mica my green hits 1.5bar (thats wot i run) at around 5000rpm, im not sure if it holds it as from 6500rpm it tapers down to around 1.25bar. This is due as my tuner takes out abit of boost in the high rpms (safe tune).

Id say though if ur not holding boost.. just weld the wastegate shut and go external.. That solve ur problem instantly, but for me i dont wanna push my jdm sti 2.0ltr too far yet :lol:

Another note here re: the FP Green. There are a lot of people running them on motors other than the USDM STI's. These are COMPLETELY different animals to the the USDM motors and a lot of what works and applies to non USDM STI motors i.e. JDM 2.0 STIs, 2.5 blocks w/ 2.0WRX heads etc. have nothing to do with a USDM STI motors. As you know, the USDM STI motor has a very complicated and sophisticated integrated system of engine management that reacts differently to its JDM and WRX counterpart and has its own set of quirks and complications.

With that said, find a tuner and go with a set of parts that have proven to work properly with the USDM STI motor. You absolutely NEED engine management for this setup to work. I'm running an ECUTEK reflash for a pump gas tune and UTEC for race gas tunes--both programmed by Harman Motive. For daily driving and general peace of mind the ECUTEK is the way to go as it keeps all of the stock safeguards in place. My fatal detonation occurred while running 1/4 miles using the UTEC on my agressive race gas tune, on a very cold night at a high altitude drag strip.

When properly sorted, the FP Green w/ external really is a great set up on the STI. Its a little more than a bolt on proposition but not quite as complicated as the GT30 setups. My car runs really well, smooth with a linear, useable delivery and no bad habits other than the ability to break all 4 wheels loose mid turn in 2nd and 3rd gear.

creator8 could you elaborate or if you had a thread on it give me the link on this:
"My fatal detonation occurred while running 1/4 miles using the UTEC on my agressive race gas tune, on a very cold night at a high altitude drag strip."
the high alttitude i think should have been on your side to help not detonate...but yea cold wheather and agressive tunning doesn't help the situation :(

creator8 could you elaborate or if you had a thread on it give me the link on this:
"My fatal detonation occurred while running 1/4 miles using the UTEC on my agressive race gas tune, on a very cold night at a high altitude drag strip."
the high alttitude i think should have been on your side to help not detonate...but yea cold wheather and agressive tunning doesn't help the situation :(

Nothing to elaborate really. On the UTEC with an agreseive tune, so no stock safeguards in place, the turbo overboosted to over 2.0 bars (a LOT of PSI!!!!!) and even though we were running 100 Octane we got the detonation the took out a ring land.

It was a one time hit rather than a continuing problem. Conjecture is that the combo of the AVCR and internal wastegate just brainfarted to cause the overboost problem. Wasn't enough altitude to richen the car up enough to prevent this --just enough to make it run crappy. Stuff happens when you are playing in this realm!

damn that sucks...if it was truly one event of knock...i'm not even sure if you had knock correction that would help ...correct? since the knock sensor listens and ecu gradually pulls back timing etc...

just curious did you have a fmic when this happened?

I doubted? I thought the Perrin one fitted the stock turbo? If so then I don't get it why its neccessary....every where I've seen people say it be much easier (but still hard) never seen anyone say its a must.
if it is a must it would make the green 1450+219= $1669 almost as much as a SR55 and making my freakin solution be 1969 :( what the freakin not cool


Because the green kicks over to the left little compared to the stocker and the inlet is bigger.

You NEED the silicon turbo inlet hose trust me.

Put it this way, even if you get the stock POS on, are you willing to have it crack, ingest plastic into your new turbo and trash it?


Trust me 200 bucks is nothing when you are spending the money on this amount of mods and, while your stradling your engine screaming in anger trying to get the GD hose on the turbo...

I'm not having any bad creep or spikes, but I know that my green is fairly well ported on the exhaust side.

It came this way from FP when I bought it in December.

I do however intend to go external and an even bigger turbo but thats down the road.

SuperZilla: Oil AND water cooled - $1595.00 + S&H
mmm....still $45 more than the water/oil cooled Green w/Godspeed oil line + if its just as good why everyone uses green ...i should do a search becasue I don't think i've seen many superzilla posts...but I definitly look into it. Lastly i still need the perrin inlet hose right? I'm going to update my top post to include that...
So SuperZilla = Green
Both:
Compressor: T04 50 Trim wheel into the 20g milled housing
Turbine: 7 cm^2 with a Mitsu TD06H turbine wheel

last but not least...i know i'm gonna get killed for this....i think superzilla is kind of ugly?! lol :lol: :alien:

You should read more carefully. Compare apples to apples. A Green is not water cooled standard. :(

man...i don't know...my turbo may not be blown after all...it boost and have lost no power at all...i'm gonna try to video tape it with sound and somehow host it and see what people think... the thing is don't know what anything supposed to sound like... (i.e. boost leak vs. bad turbo)....

Interesting to see what you find out as I have the exact same sound..... It sounds like I have a freaking supercharger and turbo.

-Wes

That perrin inlet you REALLLLY have to shove it so itll catch on to the turbo,my bro had to brace him self both feet on the wall and all of his weigh leaning on the damn inlet just to get it on my green i just bought a silicon coupler and it fit perfect dont have pics or id show you :D

I helped a friend install a b16g on his Eclipse, and when the oil lines werent fitted correctly, the turbo sounded like a supercharger for the 5 seconds it was running like that.

damn that sucks...if it was truly one event of knock...i'm not even sure if you had knock correction that would help ...correct? since the knock sensor listens and ecu gradually pulls back timing etc...

just curious did you have a fmic when this happened?

you're right the knock sensing probably wouldn't have helped. yes i did and do have an fmic.

no big deal as i knew i was going to end up doing the pistons otherwise i would always be wondering when they would go anyway.

with the external, pistons and a clutch the car is basically fully sorted for anything in the 400whp range now. its an animal. albeit a fairly well behaved animal.

and BTW i also have the perrin inlet hose. makes life much easier.

going back to your list, i'd dump your profec, put in a mechanical boost controller ($200), add a perrin inlet ($250), get the wastegate welded shut and have your dp fabbed to accept the external gases ($300 or so) then get a tial wastegate ($400). so your perfect green setup will cost you around $3k w/o labor. oh and you're going to absolutely have to pay for ECUTEK programming--another $600 minimum w/o much dyno time.

its an expensive hobby. just don't take a ride in a well sorted STI w/ Green for now if you are now resigning yourself to keeping the VF39 ;)

i made some video last night..i get it in my pc today...can anyone host it?

What did you do to make your turbo go bad already on a 05 STi?

i'm not sure if its blown yet...
so here is my other solution:
APS SR55 $1850
Godspeed Oil Line $100
Perrin Injectors $200
EcuTek $700

Total $2850

I know for sure the SR55 works just fine with crapolla stock turbo inlet tube. I know SR55 works fine w/ internal waste gate. Oil and water cooled. 300 + whp I want to stay under 400 whp anyway. I run with this for probably 2~3 years then go roated and upgrade my engin and any other items necessary to go above 400....

I'll sell you a used VF39 with 4000 miles for $350 shipped, if you don't go all out. :)

man the VF39 is garbage...i hate the freakin thing....its gotta go.....

didn't mean to disrespect the turbo..its good if you have cats or small exhaust no FMIC and do autocross etc...its not well suited for my cars and mods

no superzilla b/c it is ugly?

to each his own, and why are you willing to spend an extra 200 bucks on a turbo but not on a turbo inlet?

Drew

sorry about the highjack but creator8 when your pistons went did u replace just the pistons and nothing else or did u get a new short block with new pistons???

FP Green 1450
Perrin Turbo Inlet Hose 219



Or just buy my Green and Perrin Inlet for 1150 when I switch to the Red.

They will have less than 1500 on them and my green is bling bling polished.

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blinguskahn...i like that screen name....is your green oil/watercooled? if so i be interested

blinguskahn...i like that screen name....is your green oil/watercooled? if so i be interested

No, it is oil cooled only and it really doesnt matter. As long as you let your car cool down before shutoff, the turbo will last a long time. Just call the guys at FP, they never recommend a water/oil cooled turbo. It really isnt needed.

sorry about the highjack but creator8 when your pistons went did u replace just the pistons and nothing else or did u get a new short block with new pistons???

Just replaced w/ CP Pistons. There was no damage other than to piston #3.

blinguskahn you have pm

bringing this thread back from dead...to clarify one thing....
MY TURBO IS NOT BLOWN. I'm RETARDED. My blow off gasket was leaking. I changed it today and supposedly blown turbo noise is gone...it was basically a boost leak in the flang....anyway wanted to clear this up now...since in about 5 months I maybe selling my VF39 and don't want people comin in and sayin...hey man aren't you the one that had blown his turbo... the VF39 is crapy but not that crapy! it has only 8000 miles on as of now...and if they really blew that fast our car would have to be Hyundi (was gonna say Mitsubishi daaaayam just to cause drama...but its cool..i'm down with the DSM ...my boy got a MR and 4G63 O3NS)...
please don't post so this thread can die away..and not annoy people

Well how much power can the superzilla dish-out without runing out of its effective range? Is this a big power turbo? or is it a fast-spooler with some good mid-power, what time do you think are obtainable with a green vs a Zilla?

essentially they are the same turbo TD06h-20g w/ all the fancy porting and usually a 7cm housing

IIRC

the zilla 20G runs a 44lb wheel and the superzilla is a 49lb wheel.

No, it is oil cooled only and it really doesnt matter. As long as you let your car cool down before shutoff, the turbo will last a long time. Just call the guys at FP, they never recommend a water/oil cooled turbo. It really isnt needed.


Dude, with all due respect, it's best to solicit advise from someone other than the vendor you're buying a product from...this business is full of dodgey people. They will say anything to close a deal. In this case they're probably right but nonetheless the caveat applies.

Dude, with all due respect, it's best to solicit advise from someone other than the vendor you're buying a product from...this business is full of dodgey people. They will say anything to close a deal. In this case they're probably right but nonetheless the caveat applies.

Oh, I agree 100%.

so when all said and done you need...

coolant and water lines
fp green turbo
perrin turbo inlet hose
injectors
walbro 255
ext. wastegate (optional, but better)
FMIC (might get away with top-mount)
then tune?

in regards to the inlet hose,
i used the stock on my green and there turned out to be "plenty of flow for this turbo" (tuners words). simply cut back the soft rubber (which wraps the turbo) to the hard plastic on the stock inlet (about 1" of thin rubber). grab a 1/4" thick, 2 1/4" Dia. rubber plumbing cab from a hardware store, $3.00. They are 2" long with a solid end (cap) - shave the cap off. you then end up with a sleeve that you will slide over the hard plastic of the stock inlet, be sure to clamp it around the inlet. you now have a perfect fit for the green intake, you should have 1" hanging off the inlet. slides on easy.


working on external setup now,

-Spanky Magillacudy

as far as water cooling it...search for my "water-cooled green" thread...its a beach...i still havn't exactly figured out what bajo or what EXACTLY is needed to do the water line installation.

heres another turbo option for you. Dont know if you already bought the green but this looks like a better turbo for a better price.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=722760

Hop this can be of some help

Also, there are plenty of bargains out there. Check ebay, and other forums in there classified section.