im getting a wrx between august and jan 06.. i want and getting the newest model of the wrx, but idk if i should get the 05 or wait till the 06 if i ever see a pic of 1... i been lookin on the internet for a 06 wrx and cant find one.. have any of u!?

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there have been many threads on this subject, find them, you'll find your answers

I don't think anyone really knows yet....

no one knows anything.. they just guess and speculate in this forum.. usually have to wait for some of the auto shows and the japanese release to be positive

the new images being spread of the 06-07 sti seems to be a really good photoshop...

http://www.subarunews.net/scoopimpreza1.jpg


it's gonna look somethin around this...this is the best guess we have.. the designer is actually a subaru designer :)

http://www.subarunews.net/scoopimpreza1.jpg


it's gonna look somethin around this...this is the best guess we have.. the designer is actually a subaru designer :)
MAn teh ugliest crap evAr.

2 door=bad
4 door=GOOOOOOOOD

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All I can tell you is that if you can wait, wait.

If you don't like the shape of the new WRX, you can get a good deal on the '05s if the 2006 is redesigned, and if the 2006 offers significant improvement- you'll be glad you waited :)

Looks interesting.

My car will be payed off by then. So it'll fit right in my schedule :lol:

why do people keep posting that crap

Dealer was hinting that it'll have teh 2.5l block making 250ish when I was there this weekend.

Dealer was hinting that it'll have teh 2.5l block making 250ish when I was there this weekend.


I don't think it ever will.....I highly doubt that they'd put a 2.5 in the "regular" WRX, why would anyone consider an STI then?

and, btw, I think this new design blows. Mitsu one is better looking though.

why would anyone consider an STI then?

Because the STi has 50 more HP, a 6-speed, and a hardcore sport suspension. There have been way too many SOA-sourced rumors stating that the '06 WRX is getting the 2.5 motor, as to not to believe them. I bet it happens.

Bob

Because the STi has 50 more HP, a 6-speed, and a hardcore sport suspension. There have been way too many SOA-sourced rumors stating that the '06 WRX is getting the 2.5 motor, as to not to believe them. I bet it happens.

Bob


Interesting point, I hope so, because then, perhaps to make a bigger difference with it and the STI, we'll get a 330+ STI.

Because the STi has 50 more HP, a 6-speed, and a hardcore sport suspension.
Bob

then there's the better brakes, different gauges, added chassis stiffness....

maybe they'll even bump the hp #'s in the sti? who knows? :confused:

then there's the better brakes, different gauges, added chassis stiffness....

maybe they'll even bump the hp #'s in the sti? who knows? :confused:

plus the over-the-top boy-racer looks.

Bob

WERD on the boy-racer looks.:)

Subaru has also been quoted has saying that they have something that they believe will substantially affect the sales of the 2006 WRX. That coupled with other hints says 2.5l block to me. Not only would it drive sales, but it would make USDM support easier since they would have less engines to worry about here.

That would put SoA in the same predicament that SoJ had with the GC8.

Back then, both WRX and STi models shared the same engine with different tuning (and gearbox) which made many buyers angry that their more expensive STi's were being blown away by tuned WRX's.

That's why the GD8 was introduced with the EJ205 and EJ207 engines, to further separate the line. I doubt SoA would want to repeat that mistake, and quite personally, I would like to see future Imprezas stick to their lightweight and 2.0 liter roots.

I don't think it ever will.....I highly doubt that they'd put a 2.5 in the "regular" WRX, why would anyone consider an STI then?

and, btw, I think this new design blows. Mitsu one is better looking though.

My dealer told me that the new 2006 wrx with have a woop ass v-6 supercharger to kick ass with the new mustang! ...and rear wheel drive! Can't wait to do some good old drifting baby. I hope they can drop in a hurts 4 speed in too.

That would put SoA in the same predicament that SoJ had with the GC8.

Back then, both WRX and STi models shared the same engine with different tuning (and gearbox) which made many buyers angry that their more expensive STi's were being blown away by tuned WRX's.

That's why the GD8 was introduced with the EJ205 and EJ207 engines, to further separate the line. I doubt SoA would want to repeat that mistake, and quite personally, I would like to see future Imprezas stick to their lightweight and 2.0 liter roots.

I imagine that SOA is less concerned about alienating STi buyers than it is about lagging WRX sales.

Besides, the STi still has a number of advantages over a 2.5L WRX.

That would put SoA in the same predicament that SoJ had with the GC8.

Back then, both WRX and STi models shared the same engine with different tuning (and gearbox) which made many buyers angry that their more expensive STi's were being blown away by tuned WRX's.

That's why the GD8 was introduced with the EJ205 and EJ207 engines, to further separate the line. I doubt SoA would want to repeat that mistake, and quite personally, I would like to see future Imprezas stick to their lightweight and 2.0 liter roots.

Are current STi owners angry about the forester XT and legacies?

yup the Sti and WRX's should really stick to the 2.0L
its the way it has been. Not that change isnt good, but a h6 turbo would be ridiculous
like putting a V6 in a civc ... thats so... american

i could see subaru only using the 2.5 turbo.

it would be the same thing they did w/the ej22 in '00 when they replaced it w/the ej25 in all the legacies.


my speculation:

give the STi varialble valve timing and not the WRX.

STi will have DCCD and the Suretrac front LSD and a rear LSD too. WRX wont.

STi will have bigger wing and intercooler.

STi will have more aggresive suspension, brakes and what not.

greg i do agree - that going 2.5 is logical but a lot of fans of the ej20 wont be happy
well in North America, the WRX is the only vehicle with the 2L engine. All the other products in its lineup have either some variation of the 2.5L H4 or 3.0L H6. This would in turn reduce some production cost since it reduces the product variation and blah blah blah economy of scale thing.
However, all imprezas come from Japan, where they use the 2.0 on majority. Now if the impreza or WRX or STi or a combination of the above were to be manufactured in the US, it would then be far more logical to change it to 2.5 across the board since they are already producing the 2.5
This is just a possibility. I dont think the current volume or anticipated volume could justify making the impreza here.

The WRX in its current form dont have any direct competition and hence doesnt seem to warrant more power. Of course it is coming to the end of its current model cycle and will need something to keep it interesting otherwise it will turn out like what is happening to VW.

The WRX in its current form dont have any direct competition and hence doesnt seem to warrant more power.

The worst thing Subaru could do is rest on their laurals and stagnate. There's a whole host of potential competition out there. All it would take would be VW announcing a 4-motion GTI like they have overseas, an AWD Mazda 3, or an sh-awd TSX for Subaru's nitche to be quickly chipped away. And these are all distinct possibilities.

i would put the new mazdaspeed 6 in the same category as a wrx. 260 hp awd 4 cyl turbo.

If the USDm WRX got the 2.5, would'nt that violate rules and possibilities of the 2.0 L limit set by the WRC?

I'm nOOB so if I am wrong, don't flame me too much. ;)

If the USDm WRX got the 2.5, would'nt that violate rules and possibilities of the 2.0 L limit set by the WRC?

I'm nOOB so if I am wrong, don't flame me too much. ;)

They don't homgolate the USDM car for WRC, I'm not sure if it's the JDM or EDM cars depending for WRC, but it's one of those.

It would have an effect on the SCCA pro rally though, exactly what I'm not sure.

I heard the new STI was going to have 500hp, a seq gearbox, anti-lag and WRC spec steering rack. :lol: :lol:

i hope they'll put the ej25 in the WRX.. i see that as the smartest/economical move versus keepin the ej20 HERE in the US..

:) :) :) :) :) :)

Wait for an 06 wrx. You'll be happy. ;)
Wait till you see what Legacy we get too! :D

No way man I heard the 2006 STI was a FLat-6 478whp mid-rear engine with a 4 speed auto :lol: :lol: :lol:
ohh and I forgot a twin turbo setup

Let me rephrase my statement.

Subaru can up the power on the STi and sell the WRX 2.5, but where does that leave the Legacy, since the two vehicles aren't really that far away in size (and price) from each other?

Seeing a 2.5 Impreza WRX powered by a Legacy engine is much like seeing a 2.4 Civic Si powered by a TSX engine- sure, it's powerful- but it's not really within the character of the car and makes the higher models (TSX, Legacy) almost redundant.



Are current STi owners angry about the forester XT and legacies?

I see no problem between having the 2.5l in both the Legacy and Impreza personally. The character of the cars are very different, even if they are similar in size. Nissan has proven that the same engine can successfully be used in different states of tune, in various vehicles. I see no reason why the same philosophy would not work for Subaru.

Personally, I wouldn't have anything against Subaru using the EJ25 to prop up WRX sales until the upcoming redesign (if they're gonna stick with that chassis for longer than one year), but future Imprezas need to be 2.0 litre cars as to keep true to their history and their raison d'etre- rally racing.

Any upcoming competitor to the nextgen Impreza (Evo, Mazdaspeed3) would probably be 2.0 litres as well, and there's nothing so wrong with the EJ20 that intelligent engineering can't fix. After all, displacement isn't everything in this class of car :)


I see no problem between having the 2.5l in both the Legacy and Impreza personally. The character of the cars are very different, even if they are similar in size. Nissan has proven that the same engine can successfully be used in different states of tune, in various vehicles. I see no reason why the same philosophy would not work for Subaru.

my speculation:

give the STi varialble valve timing and not the WRX.

STi will have DCCD and the Suretrac front LSD and a rear LSD too. WRX wont.

STi will have bigger wing and intercooler.

STi will have more aggresive suspension, brakes and what not.

This is a speculation? It's more like DUH!!! It's already like that.

This is a speculation? It's more like DUH!!! It's already like that.
I'm guessing that was sarcasm. At least, I hope it was...

Personally, I wouldn't have anything against Subaru using the EJ25 to prop up WRX sales until the upcoming redesign (if they're gonna stick with that chassis for longer than one year), but future Imprezas need to be 2.0 litre cars as to keep true to their history and their raison d'etre- rally racing.

Any upcoming competitor to the nextgen Impreza (Evo, Mazdaspeed3) would probably be 2.0 litres as well, and there's nothing so wrong with the EJ20 that intelligent engineering can't fix. After all, displacement isn't everything in this class of car :)

While I understand your point, I see US dynamics as being somewhat different than much of the rest of the world. There are presently no WRC events in the US (although SCCA does exist here and does allow larger displacements). Subaru has already increased displacement in the USDM STi, and received praise from all but a few 2.0l enthusiasts. While, as you mention, Evo and MS3 have 2.0l offerings, other manufactures have increased displacement (SRT-4, SE-r and MS6 for example).

I personally would not mind a 2.0l in the WRX with output similar to an Evo, but I see this as a more expensive route to take. If you think a $25k 2.5l in the WRX would blur the line between it and the STi, consider what a 2.0l with a $28k pricetag would do.

As a final thought, love it or hate it, the American public has an affinity for displacement. If this were not true, there would be no market for the H6 Legacy when all who know, know that the turbo 2.5l has superior power. At the end of the day, SOA is marketing to the US public to a much greater degree than they are to the enthusiasts of NASIOC. From a business sense, this is the right thing for them to do.

This is a speculation? It's more like DUH!!! It's already like that.

I think Greg is speculating that the new WRX and STi will have the same [or very similar (AVCS)] engine.

Then he lists the things he thinks will continue to differentiate them:
STi will have 6MT and DCCD, LSDs, wing, brakes, suspension, etc. New WRX won't have these upgraded bits.

The relationship between the two would be more like the EVO and the EVO MR I guess.


The first time I read Greg's post I was confused a bit too.

Seth

every single1 of ur opinions is speculation.. lets see proof fellas and ladies if any

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Couldn't have said it ANY better myself... :lol:

every single1 of ur opinions is speculation.. lets see proof fellas and ladies if anyListen up, eejit. Subaru hasn't published any information or pictures about its next model year Impreza. In the absence of official information, people here are offering opinions and pictures of possibilities. If you aren't interested in their informed speculation, then go away until you're ready to buy a car in August, by which time Subaru will have introduced the new Impreza.