I would love to see an STi wagon come to the states. How about the rest of you? The WRX wagon currently outsells the sedan here in North America, so it seems like there is a market for it. Picture it: the Impreza wagon with 300 horsepower (or more!!), a six speed, and some serious Brembo stopping power... all with a warranty! :D <Drool>

I like the '04 STi that I have now, but I need more space. I went from a Forester (a little boxy-looking, but great space) to my STi. I really don't miss the sluggish performance or boxy looks, but I do miss the cargo capacity.

Has anyone heard about the possibility of a North American STi wagon? Post your thoughts! Maybe if we yell loud enough, SOA will hear us :)

this has been discussed time and time again on this board. no one knows. i wouldn't get your hopes up, though.

I have the same wet dream weekly buddy. Oh how I wish... But, I think me dating Clair Danes is more likely wet dream to come true. But, if I had one wish it would be a tough call between the two.... :alien:

Did hear rumblings about STi Forester though. But don't spend lots of time in the rumor-mill world.

The WRX wagon currently outsells the sedan here in North America, so it seems like there is a market for it.Let me guess: You were at your dealer's one day and a Subaru rep told you that.
:rolleyes:

:lol: Beat me to it; not even close.

I talked to a Suby rep one day, and he said that there's almost definately gonna be an STi Legacy wagon for 2006 (of course, he said it'll be a 2.5l twin-turbo or an H-6 turbo or something wierd like that, but basically it would have about 400hp). The only reason I'm tempted to believe any of it was because I was looking at the new 05 Legacy's when he told me...now why would a salesman lie about that, since it would keep me from thinking about getting the 05 Legacy that I was sitting in at the time? A "good" lie would be something like "Subaru has had too many complaints from state troopers across the nation about the Legacy 2.5GT being too fast, so 2005 is probably going to be the only year that they make the turbo model". That would be a "useful" lie.

...now why would a salesman lie about that, since it would keep me from thinking about getting the 05 Legacy that I was sitting in at the time? A "good" lie would be something like "Subaru has had too many complaints from state troopers across the nation about the Legacy 2.5GT being too fast, so 2005 is probably going to be the only year that they make the turbo model". That would be a "useful" lie.Well, the idea is than an STi version of any Subaru model is more costly than any non-STi version of any other model.

Just my two cents but I highly doubt a STI wagon would come over. The reason the wagon sells more than sedans is simply because of the typical families are buying them not tracking speed demons. You have to remember Subaru is in this business to make money not create a line of super cars where they make minimal profits on and an STI wagon isn't going to make everybody go out and get one.

On that note I think a refined Legacy STI would fit the upscale premium Subaru name it is looking for, but that's just me.

Ah, but a sportier image is what they need to get younger buyers in the doors. Right now, in america, subaru = crocodile dundee. If they had STi versions of the legacy and forrester, a line of "supercars", then yonger kids will buy more Legacy's and base level cars.

Just look at WRX sales.

They want to create a premium brand name, Impreza is not their premium car they want to add more supercars to. I really don't think they want to become a Dodge where they market all their cars to young racers dying for speed. The core of their buyers are people who want the safety and reliability of AWD, and practicality at a good price which Subaru is doing a great job of.

I think a lot will depend on how the STi model range evolves. Right now the WRX STi is a hard-edged street brawler. It could evolve into something with more luxury items, like the Benz AMG models, or the BMW M-cars; still ultra high performance cars, but cars with a much wider sales appeal. If that happens, then I think STi wagons could occur—in all the Subie model ranges.

Bob

I would go crazy, then get one... what could be better than a sti, with all the functionality of a wagon, at the expense of 80lbs...

I would go crazy, then get one... what could be better than a sti, with all the functionality of a wagon, at the expense of 80lbs...

Agreed.

But I'm not holding my breath.

This is like discussing the possibility Catherine Zita-Jones posting her profile on Match.com...

I'm getting all excited thinking about it, but it ain't happening.

I dont think Subaru would do it, they might as well make a higher performance version of the Forester XT, or the Legacy wagon.

Personally, I'd spring for a Legacy Wagon (or even the Forester XT), add a few mods (suspension, etc...nothing major), and it'll still be cheaper than an STi ;)

I would go crazy, then get one... what could be better than a sti, with all the functionality of a wagon, at the expense of 80lbs...


This would be why I'll probably end up having Aerosim swap a used STi engine and 6MT tranny into my WRX Wagon at some point in the next 24 months.

Subaru has had ample opportunity to offer an Impreza STi Wagon in the US. There are plenty of us wagoneers out there on the sidelines who could afford a regular STi but need the wagon's space (think mountainbikers, parents, people who just prefer hatchbacks, etc).
They could also easily be stealing sales from people who end up spending another $10k+ on an Audi S4 Avant, but SOA has instead sat on their thumbs and watched easy sales pass them by for two years.

They just don't get it.

Forester STI. Bet we'll see it in another year.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=8310

Just my two cents but I highly doubt a STI wagon would come over. The reason the wagon sells more than sedans is simply because of the typical families are buying them not tracking speed demons. You have to remember Subaru is in this business to make money not create a line of super cars where they make minimal profits on and an STI wagon isn't going to make everybody go out and get one.

On that note I think a refined Legacy STI would fit the upscale premium Subaru name it is looking for, but that's just me.

Mercedes benz is coming out with a E55 wagon, I know an Impreza is no E-class but the market for a performance wagon is there.

I do agreewith seeing a STi Legacy first.

I've seriously started thinking about taking a FXT, tightening up the suspension and hot rodding it a little. I don't see an Impreza STi wagon, but a STi Forester (already exists as a model in their range) I could see. In fact, I'd love to see it this summer, but don't have my hopes up.

A rep I talked to at the LA auto show said they are "entertaining an Sti Wagon" due to interest. He said he wouldn't consider anything final till they publish specs. But, hey I'd love one, so some hope is better than not!! Just keep emailing Subaru of America to keep the interest HOT!

Forester STI. Bet we'll see it in another year.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=8310
I will wait till they build it in Japan first, the forester is in the middle of a facelift (see other threads in N&R)

It's at least 2 years off here if it comes at all

']Let me guess: You were at your dealer's one day and a Subaru rep told you that.
:rolleyes:

When I visited the US a few months ago, I noticed there were many more wagons than sedans. Here in Australia they only sell 1 wagon to each 20 sedans. Why didn't Subaru give the wagon flared wheels arches on both the front and rear..... aka Audi RS4 style!!

I will buy a legacy STI if they come. Just please announce yay or nay soon......I'm buying a new car late 05/early 06 one way or the other.

Bought a 2.5RS in 2000 and then soon after the wrx in the states finally became real.......everyone then said the STI would never come to the states...I held off not upgrading to the wrx and then wham....here comes the sti. Ive almost caved a few times for the STI but held off once the turbo legacy rumors started. Most recently I had pre-aranged financing ready and was on the lots ready to do the legacy. The reality is to make the legacy how I want it, I will top what a STI legacy would go for if they come.

At this point a Legacy STI will mean I also keep my dear 00 2.5RS coupe as well....I hope the stars are aligned and we really do see a STI legacy for 06! :banana:

']Well, the idea is than an STi version of any Subaru model is more costly than any non-STi version of any other model.
...but there's nothing costly about a pipe dream STi Legacy wagon, especially if it makes a potential buyer hold onto their money until the STi wagon is realized.

Not to speculate too much, but I would never expect an STi Legacy wagon to hit these shores. Subaru is obviously interestes in infusing its entire lineup with performance, but the Legacy wagon is probably the least likely candidate to get the STi treatment (aside from the B9). Regardless of the very vocal pining of a handfull of enthusiasts on this board, mid-size wagons are just not what people think of when they think of performance.

However, a small wagon might be. The R32 was successful - maybe Subaru can have a more useful performance compact as well.

I know I'd love to see it. Especially with the sedan flares as was mentioned above!

/\ So the magnum isn't selling 'eh.

']Let me guess: You were at your dealer's one day and a Subaru rep told you that.
:rolleyes:

Just recieved an email from SOA with this little bit:

"Total 2004 WRX Sedans - 6,886 units
Total 2004 WRX Wagons - 6,336 units"

I guess what I've read elsewhere is wrong, but those numbers sure are close. I love your display of the typical arrogant NASIOC know-it-all attitude. :rolleyes:

This snippet about the STi suprised me:
"2004 WRX STi Sedans with silver wheels - 4,427 units
2004 WRX STi Sedans with gold wheels - 2,783 units
Total 2004 WRX STi Sedans - 7,210 units"

I thought they were only going to make about 3500 originally! That's more than the regular WRX sedan! :eek:

edit:
I quickly glanced at the email again. It looks like Subaru also produced about 4000 'premium package' WRX's, too.

/\ So the magnum isn't selling 'eh.

I don't know - look up that stats on how many Hemi Magnums have sold. I don't see them all that often.

http://www.xfader.com/images/emcee/Leg_STi_wagon.jpg

:banana: :banana: :banana:

I want one! That's exactly what I want! I wish something like that would come to the states someday.

Regardless of the very vocal pining of a handfull of enthusiasts on this board, mid-size wagons are just not what people think of when they think of performance.[

Legacy GT wagon is selling well isn't it? A Leg STi wagon would be an amazing do-everything car; the only extra thing it would need is a height-adjustable suspension a la Audi allroad.

I want one! That's exactly what I want! I wish something like that would come to the states someday.

Me too...sigh

That color, that body style, that everything. It is EXACTLY what I've been bitchin for for a long long time.

/except there is no hoodscoop thus this isn't a turbo car. SO CLOSE!!

NEXT!!!

-Allen

why not an STi Baja, the parts are allready there for the most part as far as the powerplant goes. it has the sodium valves and the iridum plugs, im guessing it just needs the bigger turbo and the STi program on the ECU far as engine goes.

by that logic the legacy gt is even closer.

Just recieved an email from SOA with this little bit:

"Total 2004 WRX Sedans - 6,886 units
Total 2004 WRX Wagons - 6,336 units"

Oh man, if those numbers are right, SOA isn't just chicken for not making and selling any STi wagons -- they're criminally stupid.

Legacy GT wagon is selling well isn't it? A Leg STi wagon would be an amazing do-everything car; the only extra thing it would need is a height-adjustable suspension a la Audi allroad.


You don't have to sell me on a L-STi, but I still don't think it makes sense for SOA.

Oh man, if those numbers are right, SOA isn't just chicken for not making and selling any STi wagons -- they're criminally stupid.


Rah-rah!!

You don't have to sell me on a L-STi, but I still don't think it makes sense for SOA.

Who not? It could be done using off-the-shelf parts, mainly from the Impreza STi.

You don't have to sell me on a L-STi, but I still don't think it makes sense for SOA.

L-STi: WRX STi engine w/ Forester STi tranny (wider spaced gears) and Spec B suspension/wheels. It would make a much better comparison to an Audi S4 (AND S4 Avant) than an Impreza ever will due to the nicer trimmings.

Why wagon STi? Because for the WRX, there are more people who can afford the STi that would prefer a wagon over the sedan. The sedan tends to attract kids who can't afford it anyways. Also, you'll see no Evo wagon, though the next R36 is supposed to be offered in a 5 door. Why STi wagons in general for the US? Because Subaru is the #1 wagon seller in the US. They were doing wagons when wagons weren't cool. Now that they are coming back, why not capitalize on that? To not offer the wagons in top sports form is giving a message that wagons aren't as worthy as sedans. Kudos to Audi for offering the S4 Avant.

Who not? It could be done using off-the-shelf parts, mainly from the Impreza STi.

It would cost almost $40k, at which point you're competing with the S4 Avant. Subaru needs to continue building its brand equity towards luxury before it can throw STi in the ring against the M, S, and AMG - at least for most consumers.

L-STi: WRX STi engine w/ Forester STi tranny (wider spaced gears) and Spec B suspension/wheels. It would make a much better comparison to an Audi S4 (AND S4 Avant) than an Impreza ever will due to the nicer trimmings.


But that wouldn't be an STi. People expect an STi to have massive brakes, a 6-speed tranny, aero parts, etc. When you do that, you're talking about a price premium of about 25% (WRX STi vs WRX) which, in the Legacy's case, ammounts to about $35k+ as I mentioned above.

You and I might be interested in a $35k Legacy performance wagon, but I doubt SOA would make the kind of volume to justify bringing it to market.

Why wagon STi? Because for the WRX, there are more people who can afford the STi that would prefer a wagon over the sedan. The sedan tends to attract kids who can't afford it anyways. Also, you'll see no Evo wagon, though the next R36 is supposed to be offered in a 5 door. Why STi wagons in general for the US? Because Subaru is the #1 wagon seller in the US. They were doing wagons when wagons weren't cool. Now that they are coming back, why not capitalize on that? To not offer the wagons in top sports form is giving a message that wagons aren't as worthy as sedans. Kudos to Audi for offering the S4 Avant.

Agrees on this. I think the Impreza Wagon STi makes a lot of sense.

But that wouldn't be an STi. People expect an STi to have massive brakes, a 6-speed tranny, aero parts, etc. When you do that, you're talking about a price premium of about 25% (WRX STi vs WRX) which, in the Legacy's case, ammounts to about $35k+ as I mentioned above.

You and I might be interested in a $35k Legacy performance wagon, but I doubt SOA would make the kind of volume to justify bringing it to market.


$35k for STi sedan & $36k for STi wagon? Heck yeah. An Outback 3.0R VDC is 33.5k, so what is another $2500 for Brembo, 300hp/300tq, 6MT (w/ F-STi ratios), Bilstein suspension, and VDC instead of DCCD. These prices would fall in line with the $6000 increase to put on the STi bits in addition to reducing costs for them by increasing volume. A twinscroll would cost more money, but that might be necessary for a Legacy where the S4 is NA. The Volvo S60R/V70R is closest to drivetrain of how the Leggy would be but much lighter/better handling than them.

A Subaru that would cost close to $40K with taxes? I can't see that. Whatever the performance, it's still a Subaru and you'll need more than two or three people who would spend that much to justify the manufacture.

Top-end B9 Tribeca will be close to 40k; I don't see any problem selling a Legacy STi for mid-30s. Subaru is trying to move more up-market; this would be a good way to compete with Volvo/Saab/Audi/BMW.

Top-end B9 Tribeca will be close to 40k; I don't see any problem selling a Legacy STi for mid-30s. Subaru is trying to move more up-market; this would be a good way to compete with Volvo/Saab/Audi/BMW.


Exactly. A topped out B9 will certainly be around $40k, so 37,200 w/ taxes for a top wagon fares well in addition to being about $44,600 for a "comparable" V70R. Since the WRX STi added about 200lbs, a Legacy STi would probably be very comparable to the V70R as well. Maybe it would need a 2.5L twinscroll w/ 350hp.

I would love it if they came out with a WRX STI wagon here in the USA. I'd be ready to buy one by 06

While we're at, why not a Tribeca STI.

No seriously, the only reason I don't have an STI is because there isn't an STI Impreza Wagon verison. I need the space, and just don't care for the Legacy Wagon. Its a little big and ugly IMOA.

I bought a Forester XT since there was no STi wagon. I wanted the performance,but needed a wagon. Gee, how many mid 20 to early thirty something's does that describe? ALL of them. Young family guy's want performance,but still need cargo space. Bring on the STi wagons!

I doubt there will be a B9 STi, but I do expect an optional more powerful engine in a year or 2. Both an H6tt and a bigger H6na have been hinted at.

Oh man, if those numbers are right, SOA isn't just chicken for not making and selling any STi wagons -- they're criminally stupid.

Subaru isn't going to develop an Impreza STi wagon to only sell it in the states. I also don't think Impreza wagons sell nearly as well in other markets as they do in the states.

If you think about it, most potential STi wagon buyers prolly end up buying a WRX wagon or an STi anyway. I don't think an STi wagon would drum up many first time Subaru buyers, it'd become even more of a hardcore Subaru enthusiast car than the sedan STi already is.

Wagons don't sell very well in other markets, however, in the U.S wagons are huge. They used to make a JDM only STi wagon, why not make a USDM STi wagon? Engine,trans,front suspension is ready to go. Forgo the Aluminum control arms and swap the rear springs maybe give it a unique spoiler,wheels and tires,brakes are already to go.

So SOA would have to develop
Springs
Maybe a spoiler
Very little cash outlay there.

But then again, I think a Outback Sport with a STi drivetrain would be a good idea too :devil:

Subaru isn't going to develop an Impreza STi wagon to only sell it in the states.
Why not? They developed the 2.5 Turbo ALMOST exclusively for NA. They developed the Baja exclusively for NA, and they developed the Outback (initially I think) exclusively for the NA market. The STi Wagon hardly seems a stretch.

I also don't think Impreza wagons sell nearly as well in other markets as they do in the states.
I my travels through Europe and Africa I would say that the wagon is MORE popular outside NA than within. In fact I would say that wagons are SIGNIFICANTLY more popular in Europe than NA.

^^Not surprisingly since cars are smaller in Europe and wagons give you more cargo room.

Why not? They developed the 2.5 Turbo ALMOST exclusively for NA. They developed the Baja exclusively for NA, and they developed the Outback (initially I think) exclusively for the NA market. The STi Wagon hardly seems a stretch.

I've always heard the STi wagon was discontinued because it wasn't popular in the JDM and elsewhere. Why should Subaru spend money to develop a car so they can sell less than 3,000 of them in the USDM? I'm looking at this from a pragmatic standpoint, not as a fanboi.

It's all about money and there's obviously a reason for Subaru discontinuing the STi wagon. My guess is lackluster sales.

Who would buy an STi wagon? A few Subaru enthusiasts? It's not going to appeal to the general public as the sedan has. I just don't think the market is there for an STi wagon.

ut then again, I think a Outback Sport with a STi drivetrain would be a good idea too

Hell yeah, it'd be the ultimate sleeper!

:D

I would trade my STi sedan for a wagon :).

Why should Subaru spend money to develop a car so they can sell less than 3,000 of them in the USDM?







What money? All the parts are on the shelf. All they have to do is assemble tham a little differently.

What money? All the parts are on the shelf. All they have to do is assemble tham a little differently.

Well, it would cost a bit more to put the different engines in on the assembly line.

Also, they may have to develop some suspension parts. IIRC, the STi has thicker half-shafts, but they're too long for the wagon.

But you're right. The cost should be nominal.

^^Not surprisingly since cars are smaller in Europe and wagons give you more cargo room.


Right on! They have an Sti wagon in Japan. (Albeit 2.0L) Just move the steering wheel over to the left guys....

Not sure what the ROI is, due to NTS model clearance, (# of units), but it could be a big factor to SOA. (may be some trade resrtictions too)

BTW, every SOA sales person I've talked with (ok 5) says the Baja was a huge mistake/loss. Anyone know if it was made in USA/Indiana?

Just keep hopin' and pray'n for STi wagon: )

Baja is basically a modified Outback so I would think it was made in Indiana. If they were willing to gamble with that they should be willing to gamble on some STi wagons.

BTW, every SOA sales person I've talked with (ok 5) says the Baja was a huge mistake/loss.

Yes, the Baja, as it currently stands, is a huge mistake/loss.

I do think the concept is valid, just that the execution is all wrong. In contrast, I bet the new Honda Ridgeline, a vehicle of similar concept—but of much different (and far better) execution, will be a huge success. I've seen it at two cars shows, and interest it is generating at those two shows was HUGE, and very positive.

Bob

What money? All the parts are on the shelf. All they have to do is assemble tham a little differently.

I think you're trivializing what it takes to design, develop, build and market a car. It's a little more involved than slapping existing parts together and calling it an STi wagon. Who knows though, with the next gen Impreza on the horizon we may just see an STi wagon yet.

Again, that's all assuming there's a market for the car in the first place. Subaru didn't cancel the STi wagon just for the hell of it, I'm guessing it either didn't sell well worldwide or the profit margin on STi wagons was so low that Subaru couldn't justify keeping it around.

Truth be told, I'd rather see the Forester STi than an Impreza wagon STi.

As for the popularity of the WRX wagon in the US, keep in mind the price differences. Outside the US, a wagon is $1000 more than the sedan as wagons usually are, but in the US, the wagon is $800 LESS than the sedan ($500 + $300 spoiler standard outside US). So there is an $1800 difference.

Since the STi spoiler is probably worth a solid $600 campared to the WRX $300 spoiler, deletion of that would make an STi wagon $32,295-$500-$600= $31,195. That puts it a lot closer to the Evo price. I will go under the presumption that with a future redesign, wagon and sedan can be similar to both fit Brembos and same suspension bits albeit different tuning for more rear weight on the wagon. If Brembo and aluminum bits are removed, I'm guessing a price could be $30,000 with Subaru's 4/2 pot brakes.

...Subaru didn't cancel the STi wagon just for the hell of it, I'm guessing it either didn't sell well worldwide or the profit margin on STi wagons was so low that Subaru couldn't justify keeping it around.

Truth be told, I'd rather see the Forester STi than an Impreza wagon STi.

They killed the Impreza STi wagon in Japan a couple years ago, but the idea of an STi wagon is certainly not dead. I think a lot of people over there must share your same thoughts about a Forester STi, because it looks like they get one soon:

Car and Driver reviews the Subaru Forester STi (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=8310)

It's basically a slightly detuned USDM STi with a Forester body for only $28k USD. Now if only they would bring that over here... :banana:

Baja is basically a modified Outback so I would think it was made in Indiana. If they were willing to gamble with that they should be willing to gamble on some STi wagons.
:furious:

I love these threads!

Just got my 6 speed and r180 rear for my wagon. Will be flaring the rear fenders and ordering a JDM v8 STI engine as soon as I can scrape together the cash. Doesn't Subaru get it?? Wagons are 'cool' in the US (only half joking there). For those who talk about value in limited runs, just look at the competition- VW R32, the 5+ variants of the EVO 8 available in England (up to $76,000?! for something a tuner can do with a regular evo for $40k), the off-the-shelf cars available from the factory Japanese tuners. Really, I had almost given up on Subaru ever realizing their potential until 4 years ago when they announced the WRX was coming here. If they can solve the style problems with their cars, they would be some of the hottest things out there. The new Legacy/Outback is the best looking one ever. Unfortunately, the Tribeca nose is horrible (Subaru, please- don't let it continue!). Look at how Audi, Volvo, and Nissan have all taken historic cues and made them look good. If Subaru doesn't have adequate styling cues in its history, then it had better make some new ones and make them good! Subaru's cachet on 4wd is ending as everyone else realizes how great and attainable it is, and they're going to need to keep reaching out to new buyers.

just my 2 cents...

Frank

they'll reach out to me if the Legacy Sti comes..."SOLD!!!"

I think any Sti wagon could do ok in this country but it may not be great. Audi does sell more S4 sedans here than wagons while I've read it is the opposite in Europe. The Volvo V70R is a very heavy car. It is nearly 4000lbs. They are in no way agile - I doubt a Legacy STi would have trouble being more dynamic than the V70R.

As an owner of an '05 Legacy 2.5 GT wagon, I can tell you that in 3 months of ownership, I've only seen two other GT wagons in my travels ( except for at a Subie meet )... almost always are the Outbacks, and very rarely a base L wagon. My ( hi volume ) dealer told me that they sell 30 Outback wagons for every 2.5 GT wagon ( admittedly, though, that takes into account the last couple of years, too, where the previous GT was no where near as exciting to drive as the current one ). Still, the relative exclusivity of the new GT wagon may not give Subaru enough ammo to take it to even another step, with an Legacy STi wagon. I'd buy one, but for now, I'm quite happy. :)

All this talk of an STi Wagon sort of bums me out. I just purchased my new STi on 3/3! I considered the Outback XT since I was coming out of a Forester S (loaded with all the goodies), but after driving the STi, I was hooked!! If there had been a more powerful (and more fun to drive ;) ) Outback wagon, I probably would've purchased that instead. I guess I'm STUCK with my STi for a while! ;) 300 hp, oh well! :p

For what it's worth, I saw a Legacy GT Turbo wagon at the dealership where I bought my Baja Turbo.
Low profile tires, nice rims, sitting very low to the ground, had auto-sport-shift, dark blue, quite interesting! Looks like you could have some fun with it, if you know what I mean! (read, rice boy killer!)
It was a good thing it was inside, not that I would do it, but, I think those wheels and tires would look VERY good on my Baja ;)
If it weren't for the fact that I really do like my Baja alot, I'd be tempted to buy it!
Keep it under 90, folks!

Total 2004 WRX Sedans - 6,886 units
Total 2004 WRX Wagons - 6,336 units

2004 WRX STi Sedans with silver wheels - 4,427 units
2004 WRX STi Sedans with gold wheels - 2,783 units
Total 2004 WRX STi Sedans - 7,210 units

These numbers say it all.

Is SOA willing to LOSE some of these numbers to build up a WRX Sti Sport wagon (Impreza) or a regular WRX Sti wagon (Legacy)?

How many WRX wagon owners would jump over to WRX Sti wagons? Probably most. How many WRX sedan owners would jump over to WRX Sti wagons? Don't know.

AND if SOA does release a WRX Sti wagon (Impreza OR Legacy), will they LOSE half their current WRX Sti sedan sales? If so, will that be OK?

It APPEARS that IF they could get HALF the WRX wagon owners and HALF the Sti owners to change over to a wagon, SOA would sell AT LEAST 6000 units here in the USA every year. Perhaps more.

And doesn't that extra weight over the rear wheels (80 lbs right?) give the wagon a better weight balance than the sedan by offsetting the extra weight in the engine compartment? Just curious.

These numbers say it all.

Is SOA willing to LOSE some of these numbers to build up a WRX Sti Sport wagon (Impreza) or a regular WRX Sti wagon (Legacy)?

I don't think you can make a WRX STI wagon Legacy. That'd be a heck of a mix. Remember kids, there's Impreza and Legacy. WRX is a level of Impreza...not Legacy. STi is a "trim line/level" of Impreza WRX or Legacy.

And no company builds a car to "lose" numbers. They'd only build a new model if they think it'll attract new buyers or upsell current owners(people who currently buy lower level versions).

While I do understand the sentiment, the factory has supposedly built a Forrester Sti... WHO KNOWS what they are capable of pulling out of the Japanese or Indiana factory?

And I think they show some short sightedness. I do understand that a WRX Sti Sport Wagon, Forrester Sti, etc would compete price wise with the new B9 Tribeca, which is coming in at $35 - $38k. It's a really nice car, but I don't see a current WRX Sti sedan buying an automatic only, even with the 250 hp 6 cyl boxer engine. Maybe a B9 Tribeca WRX Sti??

But if they gave their younger audience what they want now, they will remain loyal Subaru owners, on their third or fourth Subaru by the time they would have an interest in the current style of B9 Tribeca. I liked it and if it came in a 6 speed manual, it might be interesting. The B9 is supposed to be in direct competition with the Porshce Cayenne, the Lexus R300 and the Toyota Murano, right? So it needs more power, a standard transmission OPTION that could be bundled with a good suspension/braking package.

While I do understand the sentiment, the factory has supposedly built a Forrester Sti... WHO KNOWS what they are capable of pulling out of the Japanese or Indiana factory?

And I think they show some short sightedness. I do understand that a WRX Sti Sport Wagon, Forrester Sti, etc would compete price wise with the new B9 Tribeca, which is coming in at $35 - $38k. It's a really nice car, but I don't see a current WRX Sti sedan buying an automatic only, even with the 250 hp 6 cyl boxer engine. Maybe a B9 Tribeca WRX Sti??

But if they gave their younger audience what they want now, they will remain loyal Subaru owners, on their third or fourth Subaru by the time they would have an interest in the current style of B9 Tribeca. I liked it and if it came in a 6 speed manual, it might be interesting. The B9 is supposed to be in direct competition with the Porshce Cayenne, the Lexus R300 and the Toyota Murano, right? So it needs more power, a standard transmission OPTION that could be bundled with a good suspension/braking package.
uh, last time I checked, it was Nissan that made the Murano, not Toyota!

While I do understand the sentiment, the factory has supposedly built a Forrester Sti...

There's no "supposedly" to it.
The JDM Forester STi exists, is for sale, has been for sale, and was even reviewed by C&D months and months ago.

Hell, the link is up the page, but here it is again:
JDM Forester STi Review (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=41&article_id=8310)

It's very real, it's just never coming over here... :mad: :furious:

Why not? They developed the 2.5 Turbo ALMOST exclusively for NA. They developed the Baja exclusively for NA, and they developed the Outback (initially I think) exclusively for the NA market. The STi Wagon hardly seems a stretch.



- australia has the outback. but its based on the liberty (legacy). basically just a tricked out version of a liberty with a suspension lift.

And I think they show some short sightedness. I do understand that a WRX Sti Sport Wagon, Forrester Sti, etc would compete price wise with the new B9 Tribeca, which is coming in at $35 - $38k. .

A. An Impreza STi wagon shouldn't cost any more than the Impreza STi sedan. If anything, it should cost $500 less. ;)

B. Somebody who buys a Forester STi or an Impreza STi wagon is looking for something that a Tribeca, no matter how tarted-up it is with suspension and drivetrain goodies, will never be.

- australia has the outback. but its based on the liberty (legacy). basically just a tricked out version of a liberty with a suspension lift.

In the U.S., most trims of the Outback are based on the Legacy chassis as well. The Outback Sport trim is an Impreza wagon with a suspension lift, but the rest of the Outbacks (wagons and sedans) are Legacies with different trim and higher suspension.

http://www.supermotor.com/gallery/sp/audi/s4/2005/familiar/g1fs4avant.jpg

Just thought I'd throw this in for perspective. Sex on wh33lZ.

We are living in an automotive rennaisance. From the Mini to the Magnum, the STi to the M5. And these cars will all be in the used market for years to come. eleventy w00t billion.

http://hvtm.totalcar.hu/car/m/audi/430638.jpg

And GIS just found an RS4 Avant.

Chalk me in as a WRX Wagon owner that would buy an STi wagon.

Chalk me in as a WRX Wagon owner that would buy an STi wagon.
I second that emotion..... ;)

B. Somebody who buys a Forester STi or an Impreza STi wagon is looking for something that a Tribeca, no matter how tarted-up it is with suspension and drivetrain goodies, will never be.

Back when the other STi Wagon thread first started I was in exactly the same position as many on here - I wanted to replace an Impreza (1998) with something that met the following requirements:

Rear seats fold down flat.
At least as fast as the Impreza, particularly in terms of acceleration.
Handling as good as the Impreza.
Practical load space.
Same or similar seats as my Impreza (STi type).

An Impreza STi Wagon would have fitted the bill perfectly, but obviously there aren't any new ones.

Unlike most of the posters on here I did have an option to get something that satisfied those requirements, and just recently I took delivery of a JDM Forester STi. It is most definitely not an SUV, it is best considered to be an Impreza STi with a taller wagon-style body. As far as I'm concerned it drives like an STi, it has the power and torque (315 bhp/302 lb ft), it has the seats and 6-speed box, plus the big Brembos. Yet I can easily lay two adult-size bikes in the back with the rear seats down. It doesn't attract any unwanted attention since nobody knows what it is...

Whether it will ever make it to the US is a subject of much debate, but the car exists in other markets and already has the USDM STi engine. That's a big advantage to any future move to sell it in the US compared to the completely non-existent (at present) Impreza STi Wagon.

And yes, I'm extremely pleased with the car !

Unlike most of the posters on here I did have an option to get something that satisfied those requirements, and just recently I took delivery of a JDM Forester STi.

I hate you so very, very much.













;) :p

An STI wagon Impreza wagon would be a hit. It would be the most practical sports car in the market. With so many people wanting to carry around outdoors gear it would seem logical to go in that direction. I'd like to see it come with variable suspension settings for on/off road capability. Throw in also the differential protector and some protection for the front and you would have the ultimate 21st century sports car/gear hauler. It could even compete with Land Rover's Freelander, or the likes of the AUDI Avant, BMW x3...The Forester is too boxy to look beautiful as a sports car.

^^ agree completely; bring it on Subaru!

We're not gonna see it for 06, and with the supposed 07 redesign, we may see a hatchback version. I think the days of the impreza "Wagon" are behind us.

Back when the other STi Wagon thread first started I was in exactly the same position as many on here - I wanted to replace an Impreza (1998) with something that met the following requirements:

Rear seats fold down flat.
At least as fast as the Impreza, particularly in terms of acceleration.
Handling as good as the Impreza.
Practical load space.
Same or similar seats as my Impreza (STi type).

An Impreza STi Wagon would have fitted the bill perfectly, but obviously there aren't any new ones.

Unlike most of the posters on here I did have an option to get something that satisfied those requirements, and just recently I took delivery of a JDM Forester STi. It is most definitely not an SUV, it is best considered to be an Impreza STi with a taller wagon-style body. As far as I'm concerned it drives like an STi, it has the power and torque (315 bhp/302 lb ft), it has the seats and 6-speed box, plus the big Brembos. Yet I can easily lay two adult-size bikes in the back with the rear seats down. It doesn't attract any unwanted attention since nobody knows what it is...

Whether it will ever make it to the US is a subject of much debate, but the car exists in other markets and already has the USDM STi engine. That's a big advantage to any future move to sell it in the US compared to the completely non-existent (at present) Impreza STi Wagon.

And yes, I'm extremely pleased with the car !What colour is your FSTi? :D

We're not gonna see it for 06, and with the supposed 07 redesign, we may see a hatchback version. I think the days of the impreza "Wagon" are behind us.
I would buy an Impreza STi hatchback even faster than I would buy the wagon.

What colour is your FSTi? :D
The best colour to have of course... :cool:
http://www.thegaddfamily.co.uk/Forester%20STi/index.html

no STi impreza wagons the next gen impreza's are gonna be Hatchbacks

and anywho like the gadd family from over the pond have get the 2.5 STi Forester :D

only ibgettinwhitengold ;)

Unlike most of the posters on here I did have an option to get something that satisfied those requirements, and just recently I took delivery of a JDM Forester STi.

And yes, I'm extremely pleased with the car !


Yeah, yeah....RUB IT IN WHY DONTCHA?!?!?!? :mad: :furious:

...and in Silver no less... :huh:
(<--*cough* color of choice)

I'd tell you to enjoy your F-STi, but until I get one, I really...just...can't. :p

http://hvtm.totalcar.hu/car/m/audi/430638.jpg

And GIS just found an RS4 Avant.

Dear god... I've just wet myself.
:o

It APPEARS that IF they could get HALF the WRX wagon owners and HALF the Sti owners to change over to a wagon, SOA would sell AT LEAST 6000 units here in the USA every year. Perhaps more.


no way they would sell more than 3000 impreza sti wagons a year. and that is giving a lot of ground, I'd say they'd sell somewhere between 1500 and 2000.

Ah, but a sportier image is what they need to get younger buyers in the doors. Right now, in america, subaru = crocodile dundee. If they had STi versions of the legacy and forrester, a line of "supercars", then yonger kids will buy more Legacy's and base level cars.

Just look at WRX sales.
do you really want that?

think WRX, now think of how the insurance has gone up since it became the popular car for youngsters

I really like hatchbacks, so that could be very cool, a little wider track would be nice! I am almost addicted to what fits in the back of a wagon, more limited usually with a hatch... Just don't compress the area between the hatch and rear seats!! Love to have all the Sti goodies without spending a small fortune in the aftermarket.

Remember early in this thread people were writing subaru - Keep it up! It's great to muse here on this thread, and even better to share our thoughts with Subaru of America!!

Push for what we really want!!

Sti wagon hybrid ( ducking as fruit flies in my general direction... ) :lol:

Sti wagon hybrid ( ducking as fruit flies in my general direction... ) :lol:

Hey, just as long as it's a 300+hp STi wagon, I don't care if it's gas, diesel, solar, hybrid, hydrogen or Mr. Fusion. :D

gas, diesel, solar, hybrid, hydrogen or Mrs. Fusion

:lol:

That's very good! You know 300hp is the # cuz that's what the current Sti has, but we're looking at a year or two more of unchecked nutty horsepower mania, so really a 350hp tree hugger mobile, yeah!

Let's get Giugiaro (sp.) just for the wagon to, then watch sales scream through the roof!! Farm out the tranny to audi, lots of wind tunnel time, lets get the jdm style seats for a change, stock ohlins or bilstein suspension, adjustable sway bars, queer eye for the interior guys, ( :lol: ) < no offense, just respect>,
reflash button on the dash, with all the piping, injectors, in place to take advantage of it stock, downforce, real gauges - duh, a leetle quieter inside, smaller thicker steering wheel..., paint that is more chip resistant, more of a direct steering feel, removable rear seating, lighter, but more solid feeling, etc.

I don't think I want anything that requires a flux capacitor to run. ;)

I want a forester sti sooo bad I have already cleared a place in my garage for it.

The best colour to have of course... :cool:
http://www.thegaddfamily.co.uk/Forester%20STi/index.html

Steering wheel's on the wrong side of the car...

http://www.xfader.com/images/emcee/Leg_STi_wagon.jpg

:banana: :banana: :banana:
i want those rims and brakes