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View Full Version : Morettes with HIDs - Weird beam pattern
I have a set of morettes on my 02 with an H7 HID kit. The lights are sexy as h3ll, but the beam pattern is very strange and annoying. It has this jagged looking pattern. From my searches, I found that this is the normal pattern for morettes.
Does anyone have any info on how I can correct this? Is there a hella replacement for that headlamp assembly that would accept an H7 bulb?
Thanks.
Pics of light pattern:
left side:
http://www.wrxfanatics.com/uploads/post-36-1107060072.jpg
right side:
http://www.wrxfanatics.com/uploads/post-36-1107060090.jpg
both on:
http://www.wrxfanatics.com/uploads/post-36-1107060109.jpg
tooocool49723 02-06-2005, 07:37 PM Umm... Those are for a RHD car.
The beam pattern is like that so that you can see signs on the side of the road, BUT it's supposed to go up on the other side.
Your blinding other drivers. I imagine you get flashed at alot (and not in the good way).
Mulder 02-06-2005, 08:02 PM They are not aligned properly, the two sides should be horizontally even with each other. And yes, that is an RHD pattern which is unusual for Morettes. Where did you get them? Any vendors who carry them in the US only sell the proper LHD version AFAIK. If you recently purchased them new, you should contact the vendor ASAP and see if you can exchange them for the LHD ones, or return them outright and buy the LHD ones elsewhere. You are definitely blinding oncoming drivers with them now, especially with the bad aiming and the HIDs.
Damn that sucks! I bought them used, but in really good condition for a VERY good price. I have them aimed a little lower right now, so the pics are really representative of what they are aimed at.
So, is there anyway to swap the headlamp module and get something that'll work better? Does hella make a replacement for this?
BTW, I have not been flashed yet. I've been flashed several times when I had my HIDs on the stock headlamp.
tooocool49723 02-07-2005, 01:22 AM I'm wondering. I dont know much about these headlights, so bear with me.
Would it be possible to rotate or in some way modify the lights to be the correct pattern?
I'm wondering. I dont know much about these headlights, so bear with me.
Would it be possible to rotate or in some way modify the lights to be the correct pattern?
Unfortunately, just from looking at the pattern, I can't see how that can be done. If I flip them 180 degrees, I'll still get the same pattern. If I flip them 90 degrees, then I'll get an even stranger pattern! I'm hoping someone will tell me that hella (or someone else) makes a replacement headlamp module that takes an H7 bulb. :(
4WheelDrifter 02-07-2005, 02:36 AM my only suggestion is to bug mulder for some help... he helped me out with my lighting problem and seems pretty well versed with subaru lights.
Chris51080 02-07-2005, 02:45 AM That is the correct beam pattern for a RHD car. You need to lower your left light/raise your right light, so that they are ligned up.
You need to return those lights though, especially with an HID kit. If you dont want to do that, dismantle them, and file down the "shield" inside the projector, or flip that shield around. This will correct the pattern.
Mulder 02-07-2005, 07:11 AM It may be possible to open up the projector units and modify the internal plate to eliminate the rise and make the pattern flat. However this isn't a common or well-documented mod for the Morettes as it is with the JDM lights, since RHD Morettes are so rare. There are Hella 90mm HID projector units available, but they are very expensive and I don't know how the fitment would be on the Morettes. So I'm afraid that your options are very limited. For now I'd suggest that you at least take the HIDs out.
If you bought the lights recently perhaps you can contact the seller and get him to take them back, otherwise put them up for sale on Ebay with the disclosure that they are RHD, perhaps someone in the UK or AU will buy them.
It may be possible to open up the projector units and modify the internal plate to eliminate the rise and make the pattern flat. However this isn't a common or well-documented mod for the Morettes as it is with the JDM lights, since RHD Morettes are so rare. There are Hella 90mm HID projector units available, but they are very expensive and I don't know how the fitment would be on the Morettes. So I'm afraid that your options are very limited. For now I'd suggest that you at least take the HIDs out.
If you bought the lights recently perhaps you can contact the seller and get him to take them back, otherwise put them up for sale on Ebay with the disclosure that they are RHD, perhaps someone in the UK or AU will buy them.
I'm in the process of getting a reply from the seller. I got them almost new for $300 + my 9007 HID bulbs. It was a very good deal. I'll try to open them up this weekend and see what I can do to the insides of them. I did find the 90mm hella headlamp module for $60 a piece, but like you said, I don't know how the fitment will work.
One more question Mulder...would you happen to know the morette dimensions for the inner and outter headlamp modules? I always thought the outter module was a 120mm and the inner a 90mm, but I may be wrong.
Thanks dude.
Rami.
Mulder 02-08-2005, 12:51 AM Not sure what the official dimensions are but the lenses are both 4".
The Hella units you saw for $60 may be LHD projectors but they are halogen units. Hella also makes OEM HID projector units which are the proper ones to use for a true HID retrofit, but those are far more expensive.
John UK 02-08-2005, 02:40 PM Have a look at this forum.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=370589
They suggest this company for Morrette spares.
http://www.cars.u-net.com/
They may be able to get LHD lamp units.
John
Mulder 02-08-2005, 02:54 PM There may be a thread or two floating around about opening up the Morette projectors, but you'll have to do some digging. I don't think it's an easy proposition.
As for sourcing original Morette LHD projectors you can also try some US vendors who carry them such as Carter Subaru (www.allsubaru.com) and Z1 (www.z1auto.com). However be prepared for them to be expensive, last I saw they were about $100 or so apiece.
There may be a thread or two floating around about opening up the Morette projectors, but you'll have to do some digging. I don't think it's an easy proposition.
As for sourcing original Morette LHD projectors you can also try some US vendors who carry them such as Carter Subaru (www.allsubaru.com) and Z1 (www.z1auto.com). However be prepared for them to be expensive, last I saw they were about $100 or so apiece.
Allsubaru has what I'm looking for. Thanks a ton Mulder! They are expensive, so I'll save up my pennies before making a purchase.
John UK:
Thanks for the info. I didn't see anything there that was clearly useful to me. I still appreciate the help.
PARANOID56 02-09-2005, 03:46 PM i think you can just open those up, and flip the cutoff sheild.
Shane
Dendrobium 02-09-2005, 06:47 PM if you indeed have the 90mm HELLA H7 Halogen units, (and have simply retro-fitted in H7 HID modules), you should be able to simply "rotate" your Hella 90mm modules from their current "RHD position" to their alternate "LHD position" by undoing two screws on the back of the headlight module.
AFAIK -- there is no difference between the LHD and RHD versions of the HELLA 90mm units, except that they are shipped with the screws tightened to either the LHD or the RHD position (ie. they were MADE to be adaptable to either LHD or RHD use configurations)
So in short, with the HELLA 90mm modules, you should be able to change your beam pattern from:
\__ -->CCW--> \/ -->CCW--> __/ by simply undoing two screws on the back of each module, and rotating each module counter-clockwise (CCW)
There's a website that points out the exact screws -- but it escapes me at the moment. I'll post the website if I can find it later.
good luck! (hopefully this saves you from having to spend $$$ on new lights!)
-- Dendrobium
if you indeed have the 90mm HELLA H7 Halogen units, (and have simply retro-fitted in H7 HID modules), you should be able to simply "rotate" your Hella 90mm modules from their current "RHD position" to their alternate "LHD position" by undoing two screws on the back of the headlight module.
AFAIK -- there is no difference between the LHD and RHD versions of the HELLA 90mm units, except that they are shipped with the screws tightened to either the LHD or the RHD position (ie. they were MADE to be adaptable to either LHD or RHD use configurations)
So in short, with the HELLA 90mm modules, you should be able to change your beam pattern from:
\__ -->CCW--> \/ -->CCW--> __/ by simply undoing two screws on the back of each module, and rotating each module counter-clockwise (CCW)
There's a website that points out the exact screws -- but it escapes me at the moment. I'll post the website if I can find it later.
good luck! (hopefully this saves you from having to spend $$$ on new lights!)
-- Dendrobium
Thanks Dendrobium. I'm not sure what headlamp module I have on the morettes. I'm assuming they have not been switched or modded from the stock form. Unfortunately, I have not received any replies from the seller. I'll look into it further this weekend, but I think the only way too fix the issue is to flip the cutoff shield as PARANOID56 mentioned, or buy the appropriate headlamp module from the info Mulder has provided. I'll tinker with it with weekend and I'll keep you guys updated. Thanks again.
Mulder 02-10-2005, 08:08 PM Current Morettes, at least the LHD ones, have Valeo projector units.
I took the valeo headlamp module out and tried rotating it, but my previous assumption was true, and the same pattern remained regardless of the rotation. I tried to take the module apart, but it seemed like they were glued together. I didn't force it since I didn't want anything to break.
In the end, I put them on the way they were and aimed the driver side one as far right as I code. I also tired lowering them as much as possible without hindering my own vision. I had a buddy of mine drive around in his car and we tested them out to see if they are blinding. They seem ok for now.
They'll do for now until I figure out what I want to do with them. Thanks for all the help guys. I appreciate it.
MikeWRX-NJ 04-25-2005, 05:48 PM bump... try putting them in the oven for a few. say200degree for 10 minutes?? to soften the glue and open the housings. Since they are valeos you should be able to flip the shield and make them LHD.
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