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Packer
02-18-2005, 05:16 PM
According to The Car Connection, based on a report from CNW Marketing Research, "More Democrats (42.1 percent) favor Subaru than any other make, followed by VW (39.5 percent), Honda (37.3 percent) and, surprise, Buick (36.9 percent)."

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8145&sid=173&n=156

Mixed Results from Political Survey of Buyers

CNW Marketing Research, Inc., a West Coast firm headed by old Detroit hand Art Spinella, has published a curious report on the political leanings of new car buyers. Basically, the overall results from some 150,000 respondents over a year's time are hardly surprising:

-The split between Republicans and Democrats is virtually the same as the popular vote outcome of the November 2004 presidential election, 29.7 percent vs. 28.7 percent.

-Generally, Republicans favor domestic brands and Democrats like the imports but this reflects the Red Republican (center and south) geographical division versus the West Coast and New England Blue Democratic states, and the fact imports have always been more popular on the coasts.

-The research firm reports the proportion of car buyers classifying themselves "independent" has nearly doubled since first asked in the late 1980s, from about 22 percent up to nearly 42 percent.

Oddly, among the handful of buyers of high-priced super-luxury model Rolls, Bentley, Maybach, and Maserati, the split between GOP and Dems is about even *but few among these few call themselves independent. On the other hand, it is hard to figure why Scion, aimed at the youngest generation buyers, attracts the highest proportion of self-proclaimed independents, 66 percent.

Among volume cars, the one having the largest proportion of Republican buyers is Lincoln (39.3 percent), closely followed by Buick (39.0 percent), Mercury (38.4 percent), Cadillac (37.7 percent), and Chrysler (36.8 percent). More Democrats (42.1 percent) favor Subaru than any other make, followed by VW (39.5 percent), Honda (37.3 percent) and, surprise, Buick (36.9 percent).

Least popular among Republicans are Suzuki, Scion, Saturn, Kia, and Hyundai, probably reflecting youth and entry-level economics. Least favored by Dems are Mercury, Dodge, and, ahem, HUMMER.

Without knowing how the relevant questions were posed and the response rate to the political-*leaning question, it's hard to know what to make of all this. But we thought TCC readers would like to gnaw on these results. And please don't blame us for any resulting altercations. -Mike Davis

Eyeflyistheeye
02-18-2005, 05:19 PM
I'm a proud Republican, and proud Subaru driver.


McCain '08! :banana:

Scooby-Doode
02-18-2005, 05:22 PM
bwahahahahahaha ^^^^^^^^^^^^

mcu81
02-18-2005, 07:05 PM
arnold '08.......who cares about natural born citizen?

rogerd
02-18-2005, 07:13 PM
If they change the constitution, and Arnold gets the job, will he do the drive back to the White House in a Hummer??

fuzzycuffs
02-18-2005, 07:13 PM
Off to PP (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=90) with you!

NPC
02-18-2005, 08:44 PM
its seems to be a more more geographical problem than a political one - imports have never been popular to start with in the central states. It is only the coastal states that seem to be large import markets. Second Subaru being a low volume (in comparision to other japanese brothern) carmaker, it is not unusual to see why subies dont sell there.
Geographically, if u needed AWD u need something with more clearance and more power and sadly i dont think even the outbacks or foresters fit the bill. Oh and storage capacity of a truck seems to be a common pre-requisit for the region

HB_Dad
02-18-2005, 09:08 PM
I'm a proud Democrat-leaning Independant, so I guess I'm pretty much in with those results! :)

Jon [in CT]
02-18-2005, 09:16 PM
If 42.1% of Democrat car buyers prefer Subaru, why isn't it among the top two brands in the country?

DAC17
02-18-2005, 09:17 PM
Staunch GOP and a two-time WRX buyer here!

phoenix96
02-18-2005, 09:36 PM
']If 42.1% of Democrat car buyers prefer Subaru, why isn't it among the top two brands in the country?

I think what the article is implying is that 42.1% of Subaru buyers lean Democrat, rather than 42.1% of Democrats preferring Subaru.

psyber_0ptix
02-18-2005, 10:07 PM
i dont care who's who cause thigns never get done anyways.....

all i know is subaru is safe and fun. and that makes me a happy slacker :)

quentinberg007
02-18-2005, 10:13 PM
What I gathered was that in the polling, the people were supposed to list their favorite 5 or so brands, and subaru showed up on 42% of those lists.

~~Quentin

Caplin 2.5
02-18-2005, 11:21 PM
why the hell are we bonding politics with cars..... who cares if you're republican or democrat if you put the bush cheny or kerry edwards sticker on your car you suck at life..... our cars dont deserve bumper stickers...

Mike Wevrick
02-18-2005, 11:29 PM
www.lp.org

Eyeflyistheeye
02-19-2005, 12:10 AM
Most of the previous-generation Outbacks here in So Cal have so many leftwing bumper stickers that they look like bulletin boards at LaRouche headquarters :lol:

why the hell are we bonding politics with cars..... who cares if you're republican or democrat if you put the bush cheny or kerry edwards sticker on your car you suck at life..... our cars dont deserve bumper stickers...

HB_Dad
02-19-2005, 02:27 AM
why the hell are we bonding politics with cars..... who cares if you're republican or democrat if you put the bush cheny or kerry edwards sticker on your car you suck at life..... our cars dont deserve bumper stickers...

Hey, I had the Kerry Edwards sticker and was damn proud. After the polical atrocity that took place last November, i switched to "Impeach Bush" which I am also damn proud of. The key here, it that I ONLY put stickers on the rear window so I can peel them off later at trade-in time! My point is, whether the vehicle "deserves" a sticker or not, its presence is easily remedied when the time comes. ;)

HB_Dad
02-19-2005, 02:28 AM
Most of the previous-generation Outbacks here in So Cal have so many leftwing bumper stickers that they look like bulletin boards at LaRouche headquarters :lol:

Again, I'm damn proud of this! :lol:

buddhas-gtb
02-19-2005, 02:40 AM
Vote early vote often - Chicago Mayor Richard Daley Democrat :devil:

or as it is now

1 electronic vote Kerry = 3 electronic votes Bush - Ohio election board Republican :confused:


Born in Chicago, I was born a Democrat and there I remain. :)

99 Legacy GT and soon to be Tribeca owner.

HB_Dad
02-19-2005, 02:55 AM
Vote early vote often - Chicago Mayor Richard Daley Democrat :devil:

or as it is now

1 electronic vote Kerry = 3 electronic votes Bush - Ohio election board Republican :confused:


Born in Chicago, I was born a Democrat and there I remain. :)

99 Legacy GT and soon to be Tribeca owner.

...and I'm damn proud of YOU too! :lol:

buddhas-gtb
02-19-2005, 03:04 AM
Thanks HB. I switch between this site and for the latest on the Gannon story. Funny how life can switch up on you. There is always something that happens in the second term. This won't go far but it's pretty humorous. :D

http://www.americablog.org/

Eyeflyistheeye
02-19-2005, 05:28 AM
Too bad they didn't work ;)

Hey, I had the Kerry Edwards sticker and was damn proud. After the polical atrocity that took place last November, i switched to "Impeach Bush" which I am also damn proud of. The key here, it that I ONLY put stickers on the rear window so I can peel them off later at trade-in time! My point is, whether the vehicle "deserves" a sticker or not, its presence is easily remedied when the time comes. ;)

Mike Wevrick
02-19-2005, 11:00 AM
The simplest explanation is that the "blue states" are also generally the snowiest states; the red states are warmer. Not sure what that says about politics though ...

gargleblaster
02-19-2005, 12:18 PM
... if you put the bush cheny or kerry edwards sticker on your car you suck at life..I wholeheartedly agree, but mainly because all of those candidates suck, not because you are defacing your car.

www.lp.org (http://www.lp.org)
+1... The only party that leaves you feeling clean when exiting the polling place. :D

froggie
02-19-2005, 12:30 PM
Probably has something to do with the fact that in colder states, one cares more about sound energy policy... that and living in close community with other people in big cities makes it harder to avoid thinking about sound social policy.

I've always thought that small-l, classical political philosophy liberalism is mostly community oriented, in terms of being concerned with building sound social institutions that allow us to interact in sustainable ways without the most powerful exploiting the most vulnerable. While small-c conservative philosophy tries to build an environment where the individual has maximum freedom and responsibility for the consequences of his/her actions. Both have a point--we have to have cooperation and compassion or society falls apart (never mind schools, roads, trash pickup, etc) but without individual responsibility you can't keep any of those good things running. Though either side taken to an extreme gets ugly and destructive.

This is probably why all my conservative friends think I'm Che Guevara and all my liberal friends think I'm Darth Vader... that said I had a Kerry-Edwards sticker on my Outback sport wagon, along with one that says 'regime change begins at home.'

:)

skiwagon
02-19-2005, 02:34 PM
The simplest explanation is that the "blue states" are also generally the snowiest states; the red states are warmer. Not sure what that says about politics though ...

Your simple explanation does not explain the loyal Subi following in Utah, Wyoming and Idaho. They are the redest of the red states and all known for tons o' snow. Don't see many "W" stickers on Subies here though. "W" stickers are usually on the big gas sucking SUVs alongside the "support our troops" and the flag stickers.

El Supremo
02-19-2005, 02:48 PM
I'm a commie and we like subies.

Subahaulic
02-19-2005, 09:30 PM
I'm a proud Republican, and proud Subaru driver.


McCain '08! :banana:

I think you're gonna get RICE! :lol:

Jon [in CT]
02-19-2005, 10:06 PM
Condoleeza v. Hillary? No contest. A black woman with a PhD and current US Secretary of State v. a white woman riding husband's coatails to be a 1-term back-bencher in the Senate whose claims to fame (in addition to marrage to a philandering and impeached ex-President) are expert real estate development skilz (Whitewater), expert commodities trading skilz (Tyson) and botched healthcare reform.
:)

RoadRageDev
02-19-2005, 10:07 PM
I'm a proud Republican, and proud Subaru driver.


McCain '08! :banana:
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turboscooby13
02-19-2005, 10:46 PM
GOP-suby driver here!!

BigClunke
02-20-2005, 12:38 PM
+1... The only party that leaves you feeling clean when exiting the polling place. :D
I have to agree, I really believe if the libertarian parties philosophies were known by the voting populous, then we really would see a possibility for presidential election. Its hardly even voting if you’re trying to decide between Bush and Kerry. If you got tricked into that "two party" battle about irrelevant social/emotional politics, you really did get tricked into giving up your chance to have a dignified political voice. Honestly, would you really want those idiots to be your boss? Don't get me wrong, they are both reasonable intelligent to have gotten to this point; but we're talking about electing a world leader to represent a well-educated country. Democrat or Republican; your totally delusional if you think that either candidate was anywhere near the "cream of the crop" on intellectual merit. (Kerry: wipe the ****-eating infallible grin off your face. Bush: how the hell is someone so ignorant running the most powerful “free” country in the world...)
www.lp.org

NextCar
02-20-2005, 12:48 PM
so much more for the Martina Natralova crowd in thier Foresters

Integra96
02-20-2005, 01:02 PM
+1 for another Libertarian-driven Subaru

Borti
02-20-2005, 01:33 PM
']Condoleeza v. Hillary? No contest. A black woman with a PhD and current US Secretary of State v. a white woman riding husband's coatails to be a 1-term back-bencher in the Senate whose claims to fame (in addition to marrage to a philandering and impeached ex-President) are expert real estate development skilz (Whitewater), expert commodities trading skilz (Tyson) and botched healthcare reform.
:)
they're both dirt

Eyeflyistheeye
02-20-2005, 10:14 PM
Rice is cool...

I think you're gonna get RICE! :lol:

limequat
02-21-2005, 10:56 PM
']If 42.1% of Democrat car buyers prefer Subaru, why isn't it among the top two brands in the country?

Because the majority of people do not sign up to a particular political affiliation.

f*ckthevote.com (http://www.****thevote.com)

I must say I'm heartened by the amount of LPers here. Let's hear from the anarchists, too. Hands?

Subaru owners are liberal. Isn't it obvious? How many conservative lesbians do you know (besides Cheney's daughter)?

limequat
02-21-2005, 10:59 PM
']Condoleeza v. Hillary? No contest. A black woman with a PhD and current US Secretary of State v. a white woman riding husband's coatails to be a 1-term back-bencher in the Senate whose claims to fame (in addition to marrage to a philandering and impeached ex-President) are expert real estate development skilz (Whitewater), expert commodities trading skilz (Tyson) and botched healthcare reform.
:)

One wants FedGov to own your children. The other wants to kill them in a foreign land. I wouldn't mind breaking a foot off in either one of their asses.

Jon [in CT]
02-21-2005, 11:05 PM
One wants FedGov to own your children. The other wants to kill them in a foreign land. I wouldn't mind breaking a foot off in either one of their asses.Is there anyway to get this person the meds they need?

limequat
02-21-2005, 11:08 PM
']Is there anyway to get this person the meds they need?

I dunno, ship them from Canada? I'll take a prescription of the blue pill, please.

Borti
02-21-2005, 11:12 PM
ehh..

Jon [in CT]
02-21-2005, 11:14 PM
I'll take a prescription of the blue pill, please. :p Haha.

froggie
02-22-2005, 07:49 AM
I'm not surprised that we owners are a bunch of independent thinkers. Subarus are interesting, practical, fairly priced, can get you into lots of interesting off-road places without sacrificing mileage but are certainly not status symbols. I guess they're for people who'd rather trust the handling and drive out of the way than armor themselves in ginormous SUVs.

Personally I wish our current administration would give up on its plans to abandon all environmental restrictions on corporate greed. I'd like to think they'll be a scenic trail or two left for me to hike on when I park the car at the end of a long unpaved road in a really cool beautiful place.

I also wish all the folks who think it's so important that we send all the brave and dedicated young soldiers off to Iraq would think a little harder about where the oil for their 7mpg FUVs comes from. Sigh.

Politically I wish we could chuck both parties out the window and start fresh.

:p

Yogi29035
02-22-2005, 01:58 PM
FWIW, BOTH parties spend all their time sucking up to the women's vote, and the only thing they have to say about guys is that we're deadbeat dads, abusers, etc.... its sick. Most of the posters on this board are guys- when have you heard any politician talk about child custody, men's health or anything to do with us? Screw 'em.

Siper2
02-22-2005, 02:56 PM
I don't know what political party I lean towards, since my opinions sometimes don't fit into the individual categories. So I call myself an Independent, and honestly, I really don't care.

I vote, so that's all that matters. Voted against Clinton in '96, even though I thought he was the best choice (only too bad the world was focused on his willy, not his wits--which nobody could see that he had). Voted for a republican in the NH '00 primaries, and two democrats since then.

HB_Dad
02-22-2005, 03:28 PM
Personally I wish our current administration would give up on its plans to abandon all environmental restrictions on corporate greed. I'd like to think they'll be a scenic trail or two left for me to hike on when I park the car at the end of a long unpaved road in a really cool beautiful place.
:p

If they DID, then they wouldn't be Republicans would they? Republicans specialize in polluting as it helps in their quest for power and greed (Less pollution control means less money spent by the greedy oil lobby of which Bush himself is/was a member). ;)

Siper2
02-22-2005, 06:26 PM
If they DID, then they wouldn't be Republicans would they? Republicans specialize in polluting as it helps in their quest for power and greed (Less pollution control means less money spent by the greedy oil lobby of which Bush himself is/was a member). ;)


Well, NASIOC *is* the Web's capital of Broad Generalizations after all.....


:D

akm3
02-22-2005, 06:39 PM
If they DID, then they wouldn't be Republicans would they? Republicans specialize in polluting as it helps in their quest for power and greed (Less pollution control means less money spent by the greedy oil lobby of which Bush himself is/was a member). ;)

Drat you're on to me.

-Allen

Jon [in CT]
02-22-2005, 06:43 PM
Subaru is also the favorite car among Hamas honchos in Palestine. Whenever the Israeli Air Force would swoop in to blast a car carrying a Hamas official last year, the car was invariably a Subaru.

rogerd
02-22-2005, 06:51 PM
....if you wanted to make it across a desert in the Middle East, would not a Subaru be a good choice? Equally, there were numerous accounts of Predators tracking Taliban high ups across the Afghan landscape in their Suburbans...and all the leaders of all ilks out there love M-B's.

Car choices are nothing to do with politics - the statistics are too close to call. I have both rabid neocon and bleeding heart liberal friends who are real auto enthusiasts. But they do have a common point? Trained computer scientists, engineers, physicists or chemists all.

Siper2
02-22-2005, 07:09 PM
Hmm, sort of like the new Subie ad campaign?

"If you're going to buy a new car this winter, at least buy one you can drive home."

Jon [in CT]
02-22-2005, 07:30 PM
Hmm, sort of like the new Subie ad campaign?

"If you're going to buy a new car this winter, at least buy one you can drive home."Unless it's an Impreza WRX STi, in which case - don't even think about driving it home in the snow.

su-be3
02-22-2005, 08:09 PM
why the hell are we bonding politics with cars..... who cares if you're republican or democrat if you put the bush cheny or kerry edwards sticker on your car you suck at life..... our cars dont deserve bumper stickers...
Yeah, maybe not, but on the back of my Baja is a sticker that says "The weather is here, wish you were beautiful!"
Betcha can't tell where that came from?
Keep it under 90, folks!

Siper2
02-22-2005, 08:26 PM
']Unless it's an Impreza WRX STi, in which case - don't even think about driving it home in the snow.


Any fool who buys a car like that and isn't smart enough to swap the tires ought to be forced to sit in the snow nekkid for an hour. :D


Some guy traded in a BMW M Coupe for a Baja a couple of years ago, at a dealership in NH. He claimed the car handled terribly in the snow, and couldn't take it anymore.

Amused, a couple people went out to look at the car. Wouldn't you know, the M still had the stock tires?





Moron.

limequat
02-22-2005, 09:55 PM
']Is there anyway to get this person the meds they need?

I take it it's the Hillary comment that gets you. Don't take my word for it, check out her Goals 2000 and School-to-Work programs.

Here's some excerpts from the infamous Dear Hillary letter from Mark Tucker:

"We think the great opportunity you have is to remold the entire American system for human resources development..."

Human resources development, as in training instead of education. Less math, more job training.

"This is interwoven with a new approach to governing that should inform that vision. What is essential is that we create a seamless web of opportunities, to develop one's skills that literally extends from cradle to grave ..."

G2k and STW explore plans literally starting at the cradle: ages 0 to 5. They want to indoctrinate the children before the parents have a chance to instill values.

Again don't take my word on it. Google "School to work", "goals 2000" or "outcome based education."

Politicians don't seek incredible power to do good for the people.

Eyeflyistheeye
02-23-2005, 02:43 AM
As self-appointed chairman of Clinton/Fiorina '08 Inc., I hereby issue you a cease-and-desist order :lol:


I take it it's the Hillary comment that gets you. Don't take my word for it, check out her Goals 2000 and School-to-Work programs.

Here's some excerpts from the infamous Dear Hillary letter from Mark Tucker:

"We think the great opportunity you have is to remold the entire American system for human resources development..."

Human resources development, as in training instead of education. Less math, more job training.

"This is interwoven with a new approach to governing that should inform that vision. What is essential is that we create a seamless web of opportunities, to develop one's skills that literally extends from cradle to grave ..."

G2k and STW explore plans literally starting at the cradle: ages 0 to 5. They want to indoctrinate the children before the parents have a chance to instill values.

Again don't take my word on it. Google "School to work", "goals 2000" or "outcome based education."

Politicians don't seek incredible power to do good for the people.

blubaru703
02-23-2005, 08:24 PM
damn im drivein around in a liberals car lol i guess thats explains why so may gays like to drive subarus doh

Razlak
02-24-2005, 04:13 PM
www.lp.org
ditto

su-be3
02-24-2005, 08:36 PM
As self-appointed chairman of Clinton/Fiorina '08 Inc., I hereby issue you a cease-and-desist order :lol:
Couldn't agree more. What was the name of that noted terrorist revolutionary who said "A government powerful enough to give you everything, is also powerful enough to take it away?". Thomas Jefferson, I believe?
Keep it under 90, folks!

su-be3
02-24-2005, 08:38 PM
Well, I messed that up!
Keep it under 90, folks!