Just got back from Turboxs. While Mark and Nathan were attending the annual Hillary Clinton Springtime flower show (not that there is anything wrong with that) Jermaine tuned my car on 100 and c-16. The 100 was 408 WHP AND 342 TQ. The c-16 pulled 452WHP and 418 TQ. The power is amazing now that Doug has gotten my ACVS working. Max torque is around 5100. We did a couple of short pulls with the both of us in the car plus Doug's new Turboxs dogbox in the resting in the rear passengers seat :devil: and third felt like ist gear in a stage 4 car. I want to Thank Jermaine for the time and effort he put forth tuning my car. Its as "smooth as a gravy sando" and has never been faster. I will ask Jermaine to post the dyno plots Tomorrow as I forgot to take the disc.

Im pretty sure this has been posted bud.

Just happened tonite bud. You are thinking of Dug-e-freshs car

if you happen to remember, what rpm does the green loose power?

Did I read this right? You and Doug did some pulls...with his dogbox in your car?

Did I read this right? You and Doug did some pulls...with his dogbox in your car?


i'm pretty sure he meant they did some pulls in Doug's wrx. Probably on the street since he said third pulls like first gear. i could be wrong though... it's always a possibility :p


chris

ooops, nm read it again (like 4 times) figured it out.

Cool stuff :)

Just happened tonite bud. You are thinking of Dug-e-freshs car
:lol:

ooops, nm read it again (like 4 times) figured it out.

Cool stuff :)
It was late when I wrote that. It was my car with Doug as a passenger plus we just picked up his dogbox from Andrew.

http://www.flat4turbo.com/gda/Mikeaustc16plot.jpg
http://www.flat4turbo.com/gda/Mikeaust100octplot.jpg

Enjoy!

Jermaine@turboxs.com
www.turboxs.com

is the car a spec-c or regular version 7.

I was put off by the green because I would have to end up shifting at 6500 still, which is not why I bought the version 7 motor. However from the looks of the graph you seem to need to shift at 7500, which is close enough.... :)

What are your supporting mods? What motor?

I have a spec version 7 from Kingpin
Fp green 8 cm clipped 10
Gt spec headers
Tial 38 mm wastegate
Bpm full catless exhaust
Turboxs front mount
U.S Turboxs UTEC
Turboxs Tuner
Turboxs PPG dogbox
Blitz elec boost controller
modded injectors
JDM ECU
Speed monkee Radiator
ACT Pressure plate w/RPS 6 puck
The most important mod is the tuning Jermaine and Nathan did a great job on both Doug's (super zilla 20g) car and mine. The amazing thing is we both reached 452WHP yet our maps are a bit different. The Dogbox is a must so check with Andrew at Hillsmuth.

Holy crap ... The numbers from 4k-5k are just insane ... Gotta figure that's where the weak parts are gonna crap out ... That is if there are any weak parts left ;) (Looking at your mods it wouldn't seem that there are) ... Sweet numbers ...

OT: Also good to hear the dogbox has arrived ... No more being gentle with the tranny :lol: ... If he ever was ...

Crunch doesn't need a dogbox he has the jdm 6mt. Everytime I see one of these green or sz dyno charts it makes me want to do a jdm swap or trade in my wrx on an STi. Great numbers, do you plan to hit the dragstrip any time soon?

Hopefully in the next couple of weeks. We will put Doug's dogbox in today or tomorrow and he will be at Cecil by the weekend. My car has already ran an 11.5 but the acvs was not working, so now that it is the launch should be a bit easier. The six speed has an extra shift that is why we chose the dogbox.
The JDM 6 speed is sweet though.

Everytime I see one of these green or sz dyno charts it makes me want to do a jdm swap or trade in my wrx on an STi.

U R not the only one :eek:

AWESOME NUMBERS AGAIN! man you two really are in a dead heat here.....who will come out on top!

Great numbers! Now you just need to learn how to drive it ;)

Todd

Turboxs PPG dogbox

damn i want that gearset :devil:

Great numbers! Now you just need to learn how to drive it ;)

Todd
Maybe by the time I learn you'll be out of the 13's ;)

Maybe by the time I learn you'll be out of the 13's ;)

:lol:

If my part for my FMIC ever comes in, then I can get tuned.

why is it that the Dynochart is indicating Flywheel HP and not wHP?

Your car will be sweet. What part do you need? Maybe Doug or I have something lying around.

why is it that the Dynochart is indicating Flywheel HP and not wHP?
I think the heading is always like that.. but it really does indicate WHEEL HP.

And mikaust... where did you get your Tial 38 from?

I got the Tial from Godspeed.

Your car will be sweet. What part do you need? Maybe Doug or I have something lying around.

I need the compressor discharge tube from the turbo to the FMIC tube. It has a funny S bend to it. You can see it on the APS website. It has been on backorder for 8+ weeks.

I need the compressor discharge tube from the turbo to the FMIC tube. It has a funny S bend to it. You can see it on the APS website. It has been on backorder for 8+ weeks.
Try XX tuning or mzmperformance?

Yes ladies and gents, mikaust and I BOTH dyno'ed EXACTLY the same peak horsepower... down to the TENTH.

452.4!!! Yea... he's got more torque than me... but we'll see what some SAE math can do for that, lol!

It felt sooo smooth Jermaine... don't you fret how the curve "looks". ;)

def

I need the compressor discharge tube from the turbo to the FMIC tube. It has a funny S bend to it. You can see it on the APS website. It has been on backorder for 8+ weeks.

Seriously.... we could make you something that would work fine, great even.

def

Yes ladies and gents, mikaust and I BOTH dyno'ed EXACTLY the same peak horsepower... down to the TENTH.

def

Still cant believe that....amazing!

Try XX tuning?

Tried there and was told they will get back to me.....2 weeks ago :rolleyes:

Seriously.... we could make you something that would work fine, great even.

def

Maybe next week we can get together so you can look at it. I am out of town starting tonight until Wednesday

Interesting comparison of both SAE corrected horsepower AND torque from my C16 SZ49 (yellow graph) and mikaust's C16 FPGreen (blue graph):

http://www.itsjustatheory.com/albums/dug-e-fresh/HP_Comparison.jpg

http://www.itsjustatheory.com/albums/dug-e-fresh/TQ_Comparison.sized.jpg

def

has anyone broken into the 500s with these turbos? actually lemme ask this, has anyone broken into the 500s with a bolt on turbo?

has anyone broken into the 500s with these turbos? actually lemme ask this, has anyone broken into the 500s with a bolt on turbo?

I am pretty sure a bigger SuperZilla (SZ55 or SZ57 or SZ49) or and FPRed could get you there... mikaust and I may be finding out later this year, lol!

def

I'll take dougs graph. Even though it's still super laggy.

I'll take dougs graph. Even though it's still super laggy.

laggy is relative. I am making more power/torque @ 4000 rpms (or round about) than a stock WRX ever does, and they peak @ 4000 for torque and 6000 for hp.

def

:eek:

btw- the "lag" your seeing between my set-up vs mikaust set-up is more of a heat retention thing comparing my mostly stock header to mikaust's GT Spec header. As his header gets hotter (on consecutive pulls) the difference in spool up isn't as great.

def

I'll take dougs graph. Even though it's still super laggy.

it seems to me the SZ comes on about 4-500 sooner and keeps power for another 500 or so. that would be the turbo for me if i were staying bolt on.

My guess is that if Mike would have listened to us in the first place and kept his cast manifolds he would have spooled up the same. Lets not forget these two turbo are practically identical. If cast are good enough to cook my moms chicken, they are probably pretty good with heat retention and making a car spool fast. :)

Mike, I am glad you are happy with your results.

Jermaine~

If cast are good enough to cook my moms chicken

lol! Indeed... again Jermaine, excellent tune.

def

My guess is that if Mike would have listened to us in the first place and kept his cast manifolds he would have spooled up the same. Lets not forget these two turbo are practically identical. If cast are good enough to cook my moms chicken, they are probably pretty good with heat retention and making a car spool fast. :)

Mike, I am glad you are happy with your results.

Jermaine~

haha well put! :D

but what about top end? it seems like everything everyone says is that headers are a must to gain some of that top end back, and to help VE up top where cams tend to drop off...

it seems to me the SZ comes on about 4-500 sooner and keeps power for another 500 or so. that would be the turbo for me if i were staying bolt on.



If you remove the SAE correction from those graphs the SZ is down about 5hp on the Green and has less top end.

In the end since the SZ uses many of the same components as a Green, it is not surprising that they work about the same in the real world. One thing to keep in mind is that these graphs represent both turbochargers with external waste-gates installed. These graphs should not be used to compare the turbochargers as delivered from the manufacturer. There are additional services that Deadbolt offers (such as the waste-gate port work and the black-hole flapper) that should be passed on if you choose to go with one of his turbochargers.

One note about the headers, I doubt they are doing ANYTHING other then adding lag. I am not a big fan of any of the headers we’ve seen on the dyno.

-Nathan

very interesting, why is it that they can be doing great things on stock cars, but then on cars flowing a S load of air, they dont add topend? just hard to get over that whole concept.

Header haters.

Header haters.

thread killer :lol: :lol: :lol:

def

was the boost pressure on both those graph above the same? and were the cars identical? i mean the only way to tell aboutthe headers is to tune the same car before after with the headers only being changed.

the green hit a higher boost pressure where you see the torque bump... it then settled down to basically the same boost as the SZ49.

same motors (RA Spec C's), utec's, jdm ecu's, avcs operational, tail 38mm wastegates, SBC iD boost controllers, full exhausts, modded stock injectors, walbro 255 pumps, same sized frontmounts, silicone intake tubes, TXS big maf's, TXS RFL BOV's, 8cm housings, 49 lbs compressor wheels.

can get much more identical than that.

def

Damn... you guys are a match made in scooby heaven :lol:

interesting, just interesting.

Could different tuners have something to do with it? Our maps are a bit different Doug's is a bit leaner and I have a bit more advance, yet we have the same horsepower and I have more torque. Also as Doug stated earlier the lag difference was almost a wash after the headers were heated up. The last time I was there I had a boost leak we had trouble locating. Who is to say I still may have a leak somewhere else just not as bad as the hole on the inercooler hose?

It should also be noted the time I tuned w/o AVCS, the same mods and spooled about a 1000 rpm's later but only got 364tq versus the 418 tq this time. I think the torque I picked up from the operational AVCS will help my 60 ft and 1/8 mile big time as before my car really loved the second half on the 1/4 mile - 3rd and 4th gear.

My car has never felt as fast as this, so on the mini wrx meet April 30th (If I can get off work) I am quite sure I will improve on the mid 11 time, plus take home the money.

wait you consider a bump from 5-6500 RPMS? what the hell?

Could different tuners have something to do with it? Our maps are a bit different Doug's is a bit leaner and I have a bit more advance, yet we have the same horsepower and I have more torque. Also as Doug stated earlier the lag difference was almost a wash after the headers were heated up. The last time I was there I had a boost leak we had trouble locating. Who is to say I still may have a leak somewhere else just not as bad as the hole on the inercooler hose?

It should also be noted the time I tuned w/o AVCS, the same mods and spooled about a 1000 rpm's later but only got 364tq versus the 418 tq this time. I think the torque I picked up from the operational AVCS will help my 60 ft and 1/8 mile big time as before my car really loved the second half on the 1/4 mile - 3rd and 4th gear.

My car has never felt as fast as this, so on the mini wrx meet April 30th (If I can get off work) I am quite sure I will improve on the mid 11 time, plus take home the money.

Jermaine also mentioned there was abit more boost at the torque peak (before it settled down) than I had run ;)

def

Then maybe I should have them tune it again. Have Nathan do it and use the exact amount of boost you ran. "You are stoking the fireplace while you're looking at the mantel."

Ok...so who's faster?:D

the setup is alot alike, but its a NO GO as far as being able to say that its an exact comparison. AVCS is big for power, what baout dynos ambient temp at the time of the sessions, humidity, compression in each cylinder, type of oil used, miles on motor, weather or not a butterfly sneazed somewhere across the galaxy or weather or not the planets aligned just right. what colors were the cars? which one had more stickers? we all know about sticker charging!

the setup is alot alike, but its a NO GO as far as being able to say that its an exact comparison. AVCS is big for power, what baout dynos ambient temp at the time of the sessions, humidity, compression in each cylinder, type of oil used, miles on motor, weather or not a butterfly sneazed somewhere across the galaxy or weather or not the planets aligned just right. what colors were the cars? which one had more stickers? we all know about sticker charging!

I agree Jared,plus Doug was wearing a hat during his dyno session and I did not during mine....makes you think.

Ok...so who's faster?:D

My car is faster. The only problem is Doug has to drive it :lol:

wait you consider a bump from 5-6500 RPMS? what the hell?

boost comes up.... then it settles down... it can affect a good bit more rpm than where exactly it occurred. look at the original dyno plot. the excel graphs are much more smooth.

def

My car is faster. The only problem is Doug has to drive it :lol:

nah... I ain't no better a driver than you... I am just a wee bit more aggressive :D

So far, he's got the time, 11.59 (trapped 120.5) and I got the mph, 121.8 (ran 11.96).

His WAS quicker, mine currently is faster.... but after this retune, that will probably change :( as he picked up 60 ft/lbs of torque with the AVCS and it peaks earlier to boot!

def

the setup is alot alike, but its a NO GO as far as being able to say that its an exact comparison. AVCS is big for power, what baout dynos ambient temp at the time of the sessions, humidity, compression in each cylinder, type of oil used, miles on motor, weather or not a butterfly sneazed somewhere across the galaxy or weather or not the planets aligned just right. what colors were the cars? which one had more stickers? we all know about sticker charging!

AVCS is bog for low end power... and we both have it operational.

As for all the little things... thats all noise. I'd wager that you could take the same exact car and swap turbo's/exhaust from our cars or anything different and run them and see as much if not more variation, run to run, than our set-ups would back to back.

I got more SAE correction in my plots cause I ran on a crappier day. And?

def

and what?

SAE correction is debatably crap because as I remmebr clark saying recently he only adds as much as .1 or was it .01 i cant remember. how much was yours corrected?

and what?

SAE correction is debatably crap because as I remmebr clark saying recently he only adds as much as .1 or was it .01 i cant remember. how much was yours corrected?

my point is... there ALWAYS gonna be alot of variation. run to run, hour to hour, car to car, etc, etc, etc.

an oranges to oranges comparison is NEVER truly oranges to oranges.

def

oh.... so we are agueing the same thing? crap i hate the internet!

what im thinking, is that there were alot of differences in these dyno runs, and the trap speed says alot! thats (for the most part) apples and atleast crab apples. Im trying to figure out weather or not to keep the header on my personal car, because Almost noone is getting headers with their big horse setups. I need to figure out if it will help MY car or not. Ill figure this out.