what is the best built engine for a subaru i mean everything from hears, pistons, rods, turbos. which is the best for power and reliability.

matt

Wow talk about a question with a million and one different correct answers. What are you looking for? All out dyno number queen, an autoxer, drag racer, track racer, reliable daily driver, most bang for the buck? All would have different best blocks and turbos.

For a starting point I guess Axis Power Racing and Crawford Performance both make some excellent blocks and the GT35R and GT3040 and GT40R are making some good power. This not coming from first hand experience just from what I have seen and heard.

well im looking for a reliable car that i can drive to the track and beat the s*t out of and still have her for daily driving, also would u have to go stand alone wit this setup. i would at least want 600whp. any ideas?

-matt

well im looking for a reliable car that i can drive to the track and beat the s*t out of and still have her for daily driving, also would u have to go stand alone wit this setup. i would at least want 600whp. any ideas?

-matt
Buy a Supra.

Buy a Supra.

:lol: True dat!

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

yea that is true but i want an awd moster, what about using an sti motor, tranny and ecu and just building on the hp. what is the highest whp that sti's are running?

-matt

Woah buddy. A 600whp subaru is not the best choice for reliability. Thats going to requrie a lot of time, money, patience, not to mention a lot of experinced people working hard to deliver those kind of results. 600whp is no easy task. Your best starting pont would be to contact Axxis or crawford about one of their blocks and then go from there. Good luck to you sir. and keep us all posted on your progress of these large aspirations.

monster and daily driver are 2 different things. if u want a drag car u stay rwd. keep a cheap subt for daily driving and get a dedicated track car.

u may consider paisly automotive out in Ronkonkoma if u really want to build up a monster non suby.

well im looking for a reliable car that i can drive to the track and beat the s*t out of
Once again what type of track? What type of racing?

i would at least want 600whp. any ideas?
Buy a v8.

To build a reliable subaru with that much power you are looking at well over $30,000 (not including the cost of the car).
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=732204
Here is a 10.2 seconds 1/4 mile USDM STi. Stock tranny. It wouldnt be near as fast everyday as this was done on slicks and with c16. Here is a list of mods:
PE 850cc
Large Garret GT series Turbocharger (GT35)
Greddy eo1
Utec (I'm not sure but I think it was tuned by Gadiel, )
TBE
CAI
external wastegate
Fuel Pump
Custom made Front Mount Intercooler.
21.5psi
VP C16
Crawford Performance Package R3 Racing Motor $6900
(2.65 Liter, Closed Deck, Replaceable Wet Sleeves, Stroker Crank, Forged Pistons, 4340 Rods, Piston Squirters)
We have a complete head work with stock cams.
Clutch (The plate is act and the disc is clutch master)
NOS

Or you could just go buy a Cobra like big turkey. $1900 in mods an he runs 11.2.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=713391

If having at least 600 whp is your main goal, then I would start with a platform with a bigger motor. Your going to have to build the shiiite out of any 4 banger to handle that kind of power reliably.

Wrong forum.

Wrong forum.

Right forum. He just needs to search it instead of posting in it. ;)

yea that is true but i want an awd moster,
-matt

buy a skyline

, what about using an sti motor, tranny and ecu and just building on the hp. what is the highest whp that sti's are running?
matt

buy an STI pull the motor and install CP pistons and run a GT35r or even a t04r at 30 psi, on a great tune, and youll be making 525ish, maybe you can push it to 35 psi, and make like 550-575 whp, and then spray it with a wet 50 shot.

or in other words, take it to clark at Kingpin, and tell him what you want. then get ready to hand them a bit of money maybe 10gs + money for the block.

what about george at icsperformance.com he is putting 591whp. that ant to shabby. lets not say 600whp 500whp would be fine, i was thinking auto cross that is what i would want that engine built for. but alos remeber this all has to be installed in my 98 legacy.

-matt

a 500whp autocross car would be just as usefull as a 24 inch kaak my friend.

a 500whp autocross car would be just as usefull as a 24 inch **** my friend.

500whp in a 7L V8 maybe, but not in a 2.xL flat-4. Agreed.

what about george at icsperformance.com he is putting 591whp. that ant to shabby. lets not say 600whp 500whp would be fine, i was thinking auto cross that is what i would want that engine built for. but alos remeber this all has to be installed in my 98 legacy.
-matt

First off thats great for george. We never said it wasnt possible. But I couldnt find anything on their site about a 590 whp subaru.
What about Easystreet?
What about Tony Rigoli Performance?
What about Big Valley in puerto rico?
What about the Greeks?

There are about 10 - 10 second subarus on the tony rigoli site.
http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/bestets.htm

There are a bunch of high hp subarus out there. But most of them are in the drag racing arena.

But for autocross I dont think you need that much power. And to get that kind of power you need a huge turbo and nos for low end power, neither of which are good for autocross (I thought).

yeah... Buy a Supra... Your goals are very urrealistic.. You will need around 25-30K to do this right... Your talkin brand new tranny, driveline, clutch, built block, stand-alone and install time and all the other costs why not just buy a supra and throw down 600rwhp with a safe tune ;)

Plus man buy a SuPrA man those things are frickin crazy fast in the right hands

500whp legacy autoX...





you're aiming for the sky but you're still underground

here's my plan and tentative timeline:

crawford performance s4 2.6l stroker shortblock - ordered (should be here in 3 weeks)
heads p&p
element gt35r turbo kit - waiting (should be another 4 weeks)
element hydra w/ tuning by phil grabow (driving it to md w/ a base map)
hydra-specific aquamist water injection system - waiting (should be another 4 weeks)
aps dr750 fmic
perrin fuel rails
pe850 injectors
walbro fuel pump
tumbler valve delete
stock header (port matched and center pipe heat wrapped)
b&b exhaust
gt spec frame braces
misc hardened mounts
rps turbo max clutch
clutch delay valve delete
seibon reverse scoop
corner weighted/balanced
schroth rallye 4 harness

estimated cost - 20k+
estimated completion - june

anyone want to bet if i still have a driver's license by july?

MeetMrGlock - please give more info about the element tuning kit because I FREAKING WANT TO KNOW AND I'M EVEN LOCAL TO PHIL AND HE WON'T TELL ME CAUSE HE IS A BIG TEASE BUT I STILL WANT HIS STUFF.

:eek: quite a setup meet mr glock...

surprised no one mentioned the evo. as much as i love my scoobie, those damn evo's are down right scary in the qtr mile with few mods. They'll run 11's with tbe, em, and cams.

Well Blitz did just make a twin turbo kit on a 2.0 liter STi motor that produced 493whp with no internal work done. Im guess you could turn that into a 550-600whp with some turbo cylinder heads and sturdier block with lightweight rods n crank, and cams. You could also make more power by being able to reliably raise boost since you bulletproof the engine with sturdier parts.

its not the turbo system that is making that kind of numbers, its the fact that they are turning up the boost on it. stock STI blocks can make 500 whp, but the question is can they take 500 for a long time? kingpin has made 500 on stock block so has gladiel, and a few others.

caplin where did you getthat info on that, id like to view it.

which info the one on the Blitz Twin Turbo or the Sturdy parts? If its on the twin turbo its in Turbo Magazine. If its is on the Sturdy parts to run higher boost usually if you look at the description of the Block you want to buy it says how much hp it can handle, but i dont know if this is a good resource or not cause ive heard bad stories about these guys from people,
http://www.xcceleration.com/engine-packages-raceengines.html

Go down to the T-sleeves. It says it can handle 50+ psi, although i find that hard to believe, on a sturdy aftermarket turbo block im pretty sure you could pull HIGH numbers with that. The only reason i said Twin Turbo is not because the Turbos are what make the power, but give the boost. I say Twin Turbo because if you read how turbo mag reviewed them they said it gave great boost from the low to high, so if you think about it, Alotta psi + less lag = alotta power and your body imprints in ur seats.

yeah i was just asking about the blitz kit. i had seen it somewhere but just pics of it.

MeetMrGlock - please give more info about the element tuning kit because I FREAKING WANT TO KNOW AND I'M EVEN LOCAL TO PHIL AND HE WON'T TELL ME CAUSE HE IS A BIG TEASE BUT I STILL WANT HIS STUFF.

here's something i posted on the sti forum in response to a post:

believe me, i followed ese's unlucky ordeal with a lot of interest. addressing the relevant engine details only, here's why i'm pretty confident we'll produce a less problematic result. it starts with the companies and people i'm relying on:

shortblock - buy all accounts, crawford builds a great shortblock that is more than capable of supporting the kind of whp this engine will produce and the extra displacement will give me a bit more low end grunt.

turbo - i considered the usual list of turbo options. if i had any thoughts about the sr55, ese's experience completely purged that thought from my consciousness. kingpin's gt35r project really caught my attention and it got me to consider something other than a stock mounted turbo. when i discussed it with quirt crawford, he thought the gt35 was too much turbo and suggested the gt30r. that argument was countered by mike at kingpin and phil at element, who both convinced me the gt30r is too small and sold me on the gt35r. they were both certain that the slightly longer spoolup of the 35 would be a non-issue; further offsetted by the additional low end torque of the 2.6. i'm sticking with the stock header (port matched and heat wrapped) for this reason, also.

i put off deciding exactly which gt35r kit i would get until i settled on engine management.

engine management - i ordered cobb's st long before this plan started to crystalize. i received one of first one's shipped and promptly returned it as totally inadequate for a project that is this ambitious. again, i considered all of the piggyback options, including a blend of ecutek and utek. then i started looking closely at hydra, which put me in conversation with phil grabow. this proved to be a pivitol moment because phil is clearly an orchestra conductor who is about to assemble his own parts orchestra.

as luck would have it, element is in pre-production with their own gt35r kit. the advantages of having phil tune his own kit with his own standalone ecu is pretty obvious. the decision to take the car to maryland to have him tune it was a no-brainer. then i started looking into water injection.

water injection - first, cudo's to bboy who has been the biggest provider of useful information and an advocate of water injection in this forum. i started researching everything i could at nasioc on the subject and found a forum dedicated to it (i can't post url's yet because i don't have enough posts. contact me by pm for more info). for those who may be less familiar with it, like race gas, wi keeps the combustion temps cooler so you can use more aggressive timing and higher a/f ratios. think race gas at the price of water,

i raised the subject of an aquamist system with phil, already knowing that hydra is designed to accommodate water injection, with safeguards for the risks associated with it. not only is wi within hydra's/phil's capabilities, phil is right now working with aquamist (the company) to develope a hydra-specific wi system, which, as luck would have it, will be available at about the same time that element's gt35r kit will be ready. spooky, eh?

in summary - a lot of this project will be resting on phil grabow's shoulders. i think he can handle it.

:eek: quite a setup meet mr glock...

thanks, man.

Hmmmm, when Phil installed and tuned my Hydra several months ago, he told me about his kit. But when he told me about it, he said that he didn't want to use a GT series turbo as he felt that it was a bit overkill and, like the turbo in his car, was gonna be something along the lines of a T04 I believe. He said that a turbo like that would make his kit more affordable than some of the other gt35 based kits out there. I was down at his place a few weeks ago for some fine tuning and he told me that his kit should be available soon and so will his exhaust. So I guess time will tell.

Hmmmm, when Phil installed and tuned my Hydra several months ago, he told me about his kit. But when he told me about it, he said that he didn't want to use a GT series turbo as he felt that it was a bit overkill and, like the turbo in his car, was gonna be something along the lines of a T04 I believe

that was then.

what about george at icsperformance.com he is putting 591whp. that ant to shabby. lets not say 600whp 500whp would be fine, i was thinking auto cross that is what i would want that engine built for. but alos remeber this all has to be installed in my 98 legacy.

-matt


autocross and 600wp reliable street 4-banger don't add up. Most big hp Imprezas have big turbos, and with that big lag. For drag racing, the lag is not an issue. In autocross, it will kill you and you are garanteed to turn a quicker time in a stock STi vs, say a GT35R car. You'll be begging for power out of the turns, and when it comes on (if it comes on) it will likely over-shoot you for the next manuever.

If you have the cash, you can build a rally-like engine setup. This way you can get 300hp with like 500 ftlbs of torque that comes one nice and early. That's the engine you want for autocross. If you can harness it with driving skill and good suspension setup, it will be tough to beat in any class.