HEy guys do u think i can beat an Integra type R in the 1/4....he ran a 12.89....and i have an 02 wrx with stage 4 kit, fmic, and turbo intlet hose...also i got my car dyno tuned....I went to a mustang awd dyno and i know they read low but it says i am pushing 227 whp...

What u think

:huh:

a 21.89? What?

12.89 maybe? I hope thats a typo :eek: :lol:

HEy guys do u think i can beat an Integra type R in the 1/4....he ran a 12.89

What u think

Im guessing you meant 12.89. And you put down 227whp on a mustang dyno? If he gets a good launch again and runs high 12's low 13's you will lose. I would say 227whp is good for AT BEST low 13's if you know how to drive. Anyway, its a drivers race.

Good luck though

stage 4 = 227 hp.... um sounds like you posted some wrong numbers or sumthin



chile

HEy guys do u think i can beat an Integra type R in the 1/4....he ran a 21.89....and i have an 02 wrx with stage 4 kit, fmic, and turbo intlet hose...also i got my car dyno tuned....I went to a mustang awd dyno and i know they read low but it says i am pushing 227 whp...

What u think

If someone takes 21.89 seconds to do 1/4 mile in a Type R, then something is really wrong. Stock those are like high 14s/low 15s (if I remember correctly). If you raced him with your 227 whp, you would take him by maybe 8 seconds. (Correct me if I am wrong)

Hopefully there are alot of typo's in this thread. If you have stage 4 putting down 227hp then you should either find a new tuner, or drive that car off of a cliff.

If it's 12.89 1/4, then that's one quick integra. And 227hp definitely doesn't seem correct.

lay off teh drugs....
or he must be drunk....



RANDi

u will lose if u only have 227hp.
ITR running 12.8's have about 260-280 hp plus have better gearing and more lightweight.

now i u have 272hp then its a drivers race.

Sorry guys it is 12.89....yea but my dyno sheet says 226 to wheels...I got it tuned by pany technologies in Michigan




u will lose if u only have 227hp.
ITR running 12.8's have about 260-280 hp plus have better gearing and more lightweight.

now i u have 272hp then its a drivers race.

My car on stage 2 accessport is making around 220 to the wheels on 93. Stock Turbo

that's about right for a stage 4 car on Payn's dyno....might be a few hp low, but pretty close. I would say if you know how to drive, that's a mid/high 12 car.

My stage 2.5 WRX had 193HP on Payn's dyno and ran a 13.5@100mph at Milan

What should i do...Should i take mine car back to the tuner...because i have a stage 4 with fmic and turbo intlet hose pushing 226



My car on stage 2 accessport is making around 220 to the wheels on 93. Stock Turbo

So do u think 226 sounds about right with my mods...also it says it has 210 tourqe..it just sounds so much lower than everyone elses...


that's about right for a stage 4 car on Payn's dyno....might be a few hp low, but pretty close. I would say if you know how to drive, that's a mid/high 12 car.

My stage 2.5 WRX had 193HP on Payn's dyno and ran a 13.5@100mph at Milan

what stage 4...? tubroXS? so if you have a stage four, #1 : you should have a more aggressive tune b/c you should have a UTEC (i'm assuming) which is much more tunable than the "safe" cobb stages on an accessport. #2 : with a FMIC and inlet hose, i'd have to say that dynoing that low is wrong in some way shape or form...

stage 4 means upgraded turbo, injectors, and fuel pump right? with the turboback and uppipe of course. seems to me that stage 4 wrxs should be putting down 275 to the wheels, or close to it. even with the loss from the dyno i'd say you should still push around 245 awhp


chile

227whp on a stage 4+, thats pretty bad.

its time to gut ur wrx.

I got tuned at payn as well. A couple things. First, Tom's dyno reads realllllly low. I dynod at 150whp stock. My first reflash netted me 200whp (turboback, up) The car was good for low 13s. My buddy made 195 with toms tune, ran a 13.2 full weight. I'm now at 238 on his dyno. Going to milan on saturday, I'll let you know how it goes. Are your numbers a little low? yes. Possibly bad gas when tuned, I don't know. In its current state with good driving, your car could break 12s. I would not be afraid to take him on, so long as your 60' is 1.8 or below. Otherwise, forget about it.\
Hunter

Sounds to me like you don't have a chance, but the best thing I can suggest is go to the track yourself and run a few times. Launching is much harder to do than you think and the green light comes really fast.

I have seen very few type R's running 12's. The only one I've seen had a 7psi turbo kit and race slicks, he ran high 12's.

I run high 12's and I have 322 ft-lbs on an uncorrected Mustang Dyno (I think stock reads around 150 whp) - I trap around 107-108.

There is another guy on this board trapping the same speed running mid 12's, he's clearly a better driver.

I would say that the Type R guy is a good driver and you will need practice and maybe a retune or rethink your tune.

NOTE: Peak torque numbers mean a lot more, especially on turbo engines than peak HP. HP = Torque * RPM / 5252

cfwrxtasy what turbo r u running? whta oct was the tune on?

< me, 266whp/253wtq, TXS STG4 w/ TMIC, 93 octane @ 18psi max...aggressive tune on a DynoDynamics Dyno...baseline stock WRX is 155whp...my fail-safe tune @ 16.5 psi netted 255whp/248wtq....

w/ a baseline of 150whp you should still be up in the 240-250whp(aggressive tune) especially w/ a FMIC....:twocents:


Jeremy

I say take it to Dan at Godspeed and ask him if he can squeeze some more power out of it. I bet I know his response and it will be worth the money so you got a better shot at whipping up on the ITR.

offset

I'd trust a Payn tune ANY day of the week over a Godspeed tune.

Trust me, you'll run that 12.xx with those HP/TQ numbers as long as you can drive. Like AntiochCali said, go run once without him to see what you run. If you still don't feel happy with the tune, call Tom up and tell him you feel those numbers are really low compared to other Stage 4 cars on a Mustang Dyno. He'll probably tell you what I'm about to tell you......Tom tunes to make cars run fast AND safe. Also Tom tunes cars to make a big area under the TQ/HP curve, not make a peak # which is what a lot of tuners do. That's not what makes you fast. But before you go to Tom asking for a retune, I'd go to the track first and see if you can run the number a stage 4 car can.

Tim
Sales Engineer
Mustang Dynamometer

thanks guys for all the info..I think i am gonna try to go back up there and get a re-tune because my car is screwing up anyway...Thanks a lot

Thanks..

Kyle

You say you have a "stage 4" - what does that mean?
Because with 227whp, it aint the Stage 4 we all know.

What does the type-r have done to it? My friend has a 94 civic hb with the type-r swap in it. When I was stock he pulled on me after second. Now he can not touch me. He has intake, header, exhaust and a tuned "jdm" ecu(mail order not dyno tuned). I have just about everything but a new turbo, inj., and pump which comes out to be about 240whp/tq on a dynojet. Is the integra spraying? I know that they have higher comp ratios than say a gsr and not too many people run turbos on the type-r's. Just currious so that maybe my friend can catch up to me :D As far as your situation goes, it sounds like a driver's contest to me but then again some of the info is still unclear. good luck

Wow... how many stages does that package have? 227 WHP is like alot of people's stage 2...

^^^you also have to consider other factors when comparing dyno#s, for example the dyno which it was done on. They do not all read the same. Best bet is to get a stock car's dyno#s from that particular dyno you are going to use. Best way to guage how well your car/mods have done for you and your wallet! If a stock wrx does about 150whp then 80whp is not too bad for his mods. It is also in the tuning too, as well as gas. I believe he said he was running 91oct., could have read it wrong though.

:confused:

He said, stage 4 on Turbo inlet hose :)

Go to the drag strip. Pay $15. Make some runs. If you get a 12.88, then you can beat your friend.

my vf30 with vishnu topmount and no cats and all supporting mods made 244hp on Toms dyno with a reflash. I think my car made the most hp with a vf30 or similiar turbo on his dyno....could be wrong though.

My evo with stock turbo mad 26x.hp on the same dyno :devil:

It does read low...just take it to the track first!

my vf30 with vishnu topmount and no cats and all supporting mods made 244hp on Toms dyno with a reflash. I think my car made the most hp with a vf30 or similiar turbo on his dyno....could be wrong though.

My evo with stock turbo mad 26x.hp on the same dyno :devil:

It does read low...just take it to the track first!


What did u run at the track? and how much boost..(in psi)

with my wrx I ran a 12.9 at 104. but that was b4 the tune with a unichip with a 1.86 sixty foot. We tried to get a baseline with it with the unichip but we were getting mad det...sou we couldn't...I really wanted to see how much hp I picked up. then I never got a chance to run the car at the track again after the tune, ending up parting it out. oh yeah, that was 18.5 psi with an ebc on top of the re-flash...it ran great!

I personally think you could get a 12 second pass with a good launch.

with my wrx I ran a 12.9 at 104. but that was b4 the tune with a unichip with a 1.86 sixty foot. We tried to get a baseline with it with the unichip but we were getting mad det...sou we couldn't...I really wanted to see how much hp I picked up. then I never got a chance to run the car at the track again after the tune, ending up parting it out. oh yeah, that was 18.5 psi with an ebc on top of the re-flash...it ran great!

I personally think you could get a 12 second pass with a good launch.



yea because i have the typical stage 4 from turbo xs..U know injectors, fuel pump, up pipe, downpipe, turbo intlet hose, fmic, ihi vf 34, full exhaust with cat, and the utec.

You are about right on Payn's dyno. Maybe a hair low, but not as much as most people in this thread would make you think. What are your boost and afr targets?

BTW your cat is killing you. That is why your HP is low.

I'm going to say your car would be good for a 12.8x @ 105 if you know how to drive descently.

My 02 stage 4 WRX on a mustang dyno made 284 whp.

Any idea what's done to the ITR?

If someone takes 21.89 seconds to do 1/4 mile in a Type R, then something is really wrong. Stock those are like high 14s/low 15s (if I remember correctly). If you raced him with your 227 whp, you would take him by maybe 8 seconds. (Correct me if I am wrong)

:lol: :lol: :lol: I just cracked up at work thinking about what this would look like!

I think you have a chance.... only if you make your Launch absolutely perfect. Cause if that guy can do a 12.89 in a teg... im pretty sure he mostly has high end power rather than launching capabilities. I raced my friends 300whp Z and I only have a 150whp RS..... I owned him at launching but after i got half way done with 2nd gear he was passin me up..... it was mostly due to his not having traction... SO i guess in the long run you'll get ur ass owned, but in a short one you might have a chance.

what MPH does he do a 12.89 at?

come run at milan on saturday if the weather holds up, and we can put an end to all this bench racing. Personally, I think you could take him. Absolutely a drivers race. but why guess? throw some $ on it and see what happens.
See you there
Hunter

What do u have to do to a ITR to get a 12.9 1/4....tires are a givin.....headers/exhaust, EM, pulleys...???? u need more