this would be sweet if it were true

That will be awesome if true! I wish I could buy 1 of each of all the STi models as they come out :) My wife has the Forrester and I like it, I wonder what a 300hp version is like. I guess I could toss the groceries around nicely in one of those!

Who said it would be 300hp? The Forester STi's in the Uk have around 27X. I do not see them bumping the power that high.

There is going to be a Forester STi this summer.

Source DCH Wappingers Subaru.

All the sales people are pretty sure that this is fact not fiction.

Hey, you're from my area!

I wouldn't believe them because I told them all the stuff about the 05 STi before they even pulled it off the truck!

They are a good bunch of people though!

they should do what Porsche does as they close out a model style, up the HP a bit, and decrease the price to build sales, at 32K+ its hard to justify the STI upgrade esp w/other nice cars at that price, but trya sti for 27k, and you can probably build profits through volume of increased sales
The big question is: How well are 2005 STi's selling?
A non-luxury manufacturer with a well selling car would never decrease the model's price. However, I do see your point. $27K for a new STi? I would be walking down to the dealer right now.

Im still a bit of a n00b when it comes to the STi. I didnt know that. Thanks or the info.
No problem! The "come on" comment was not directed at you. :)

You can get them for 29K if you go to a good dealer, especially now that the 06 facelifts are coming in the late summer.

Sure, for what has been released so far......so it could happen, don't kill our dreams man.............


not trying to kill anyones dreams my friend.I would love to have an STi Forester to sell but I prefer to state truths is all.I have been with Subaru from quite a while and every now and then a model comes out mid year but not very often and would be really strange if it were a model that important but stranger things have happened.I just cringe though at some of the info that some dealers hear somewhere and post here that I know is not true.

The big question is: How well are 2005 STi's selling?
A non-luxury manufacturer with a well selling car would never decrease the model's price. However, I do see your point. $27K for a new STi? I would be walking down to the dealer right now.


i would like to see that^

BUT u gotta realize that that means that will suck away sales from the WRX and that will also kill Legacy GT sales.. with so much performance at such a low cost i HIGHLY doubt that the legacy GT could survive with the STi sucking away so many sales.. come one a legacy gt lim sells for around 26-28k.. and the STi at 27k?? come on really :huh:

but i gotta also say that id be shocked if the B11s like concept came out of the middle of no where.. the Legacy STi with a H6tt is more likely at this point in time.. theres no way in hell it would be at about 50k thats simply insane.. i would think just like the price diff bw the WRX and WRX STi.. the Legacy STi would bounce around at the most 36k but more than likely around 34k
i also doubt that the new legacy will be modified if at all... only few things i would see would be fix up basic customer 1st year complaints such as air conditioning problems etc.. and the addition of navi.. and MAYBE HIDS... but other than that i see no change coming.
The b11s based concept would be a amazing step in the right direction bouncing in the low/mid 30s with the base H and the H6tt in the higher30s low 40s.. but then again thats just me :alien: it would be a phenomenal step in the right direction..
i also noticed somone said i believe H6tt legacy on the B9 platform :confused: i HIGHLY doubt that would happen.. but then again maybe its hinting at the sedan based off of the B9 :)

BUT u gotta realize that that means that will suck away sales from the WRX and that will also kill Legacy GT sales.. with so much performance at such a low cost i HIGHLY doubt that the legacy GT could survive with the STi sucking away so many sales.. come one a legacy gt lim sells for around 26-28k.. and the STi at 27k?? come on really :huh:
I donno, the LGT targets a different audience in a lot of ways. Those who want a more upscale, larger, more refined vehicle will favor it over a cheaper STi if those are the qualities they are really interested in.

I donno, the LGT targets a different audience in a lot of ways. Those who want a more upscale, larger, more refined vehicle will favor it over a cheaper STi if those are the qualities they are really interested in.
++

I could afford either car, and I'm going for the Leg GT Wagon because I want more space, and a more refined interior....

Anybody else kind of pissed at the current situation? Here I am really wanting a STI with cash nearly in hand on the eve of what may or may not be a new chassis, HP bump, front/rear redesign, or other major change. You know, the kind of thing that would totally piss you off if you just bought the 05 and the 06 had 320hp or something. On the other hand, as somebody posted a few weeks back, the new airplane grill looks like "six kinds of ass". I would really shoot my self if i waited until all the 05s are gone and found out that the 06s only saving grace was that you cant see the front end of the car while your driving it. :furious: :mad: :confused:

^^^hence, we are so sick of heresay posts and want something concrete so we can plan our next year of subaru purchases...i for one am one of the first who got involved with subaru when they were just becoming performance oriented and it's been nearly 6 years. I've grown up since then and with that in mind, i will be sitting on the fence waiting for the h6t legacy to come out, refinement and power, not just the new big winged, rattle trap sti with 320 hp...All i want is confirmation so i can get my order in...cmon subaru...

Dexterous,

I sorta agree with you.

I'm in the market for a new car later this year/early next and am going with either the Evo IX or STi '06. I almost purchased the STi when it first came out, but the deal didn't happen. Now, I'm finding myself drawn more-and-more to the Evo IX.....maybe because the US specs for the IX have already been announced and I know what to expect.

I really don't like Subaru's uber hush-hush treatment regarding the forthcoming USDM STi....you can only push people's (my) patience so far and, sorry, but I'm almost past the point of no return..........

..watch out for the quiet ones

;)

Sometimes you people kill me. I am good friends with the OWNER of a Subaru dealer. We have often talked about all the stuff I read here and he laughs as I read this stuff. He has been to all kinds of Subaru meetings, spoken to a number of Subaru Reps, and follows any Subaru related news very closely. He insists that Subaru has NOT RELEASED ANY INFORMATION ON ANYTHING but the Tribeca. Anything else is simply a RUMOR at best. In addition, his tech's have been to Subaru training recently and herd NO MENTION of any 6MTs in anything but the impreza STI.

I also frequently visit another very respected Pittsburgh area Subaru dealer and have spoken to a number of tech's and members of management. They all echo my friends words!

I think I am going to reach into my computer and bitc* slap the next person that starts another "OMG OMG OMG 2006 STI will be a amphibious car with a quad turbo V12 and 900HP" thread. I guess my question is, where the hell do these rumors originate in the first place?

Sometimes you people kill me. I am good friends with the OWNER of a Subaru dealer. We have often talked about all the stuff I read here and he laughs as I read this stuff. He has been to all kinds of Subaru meetings, spoken to a number of Subaru Reps, and follows any Subaru related news very closely. He insists that Subaru has NOT RELEASED ANY INFORMATION ON ANYTHING but the Tribeca.


:lol: and your information is no better or worse than everyone else's "my dealer told me....". :lol:

Sometimes you people kill me. I am good friends with the OWNER of a Subaru dealer. We have often talked about all the stuff I read here and he laughs as I read this stuff. He has been to all kinds of Subaru meetings, spoken to a number of Subaru Reps, and follows any Subaru related news very closely. He insists that Subaru has NOT RELEASED ANY INFORMATION ON ANYTHING but the Tribeca. Anything else is simply a RUMOR at best. In addition, his tech's have been to Subaru training recently and herd NO MENTION of any 6MTs in anything but the impreza STI.

I also frequently visit another very respected Pittsburgh area Subaru dealer and have spoken to a number of tech's and members of management. They all echo my friends words!

I think I am going to reach into my computer and bitc* slap the next person that starts another "OMG OMG OMG 2006 STI will be a amphibious car with a quad turbo V12 and 900HP" thread. I guess my question is, where the hell do these rumors originate in the first place?

I have a friend who is a sales manager of a nissan/subaru dealer and I constantly ask him about updates and he says the same thing, "Subaru has not released any information yet. But Nissan's 2005 350Z Track Model...." -he knows I have a thing for that car, and likes to bug me about it.

I think I am going to reach into my computer and bitc* slap the next person that starts another "OMG OMG OMG 2006 STI will be a amphibious car with a quad turbo V12 and 900HP" thread. I guess my question is, where the hell do these rumors originate in the first place?

That is completely untrue, it will be a B12, not a V12. Just like the Ferrari BB512. :banana: :banana: :lol:


.....and it will run on propane.

H-12...6.0

My friend's brother's cousin who has a relative in Japan knows someone who read a blog regarding a Japanese Subaru dealer who said...

- In June the Impreza will undergo only a 'big minor change'
- When the dealer was asked if he has seen the recent photoshops from various magazines, the reply was 'The change wont be as drastic as those renderings.'
- The reality is that the new Impreza had been under development using renderings like those in the rags as a base, but when the proposed design was passed by Subaru's President, he allegedly yelled 'We can't sell this!' and the styling was brought back to the drawing boards.
- Width was mentioned as 1770mm, which is 30mm wider than the current model. The upcoming change will be dubbed GD-F, and since the GC lasted 8 years it seems the plan is to have the redeigned model last 3 years until 2008, when an all-new Impreza is released.
- The next-gen Impreza will be a 5-door hatchback. Overall length will range from 4200-4400mm.

Just buy the STi now. It cracks me up when people piss and moan about having a newer model that comes out with better features and/or more hp. If this never happened, how would you expect the model line to advance?

When I bought my WRX, I really wanted a sunroof and heated seats, but they weren't offered. Low and behold they came out the following year. I didn't complain and was happy to see it offered as an option.

[EDIT] This wasn't directed at anyone in particular, just a general observation.

Who said it would be 300hp? The Forester STi's in the Uk have around 27X. I do not see them bumping the power that high.
C&D said it in passing recently, but I'm pretty sure it was in error and based off of nothing more than a little assumption. The STi Forester is supposed to be a wheel, suspension tranny and brake package. Engine upgrades were not on the list.

The big question is: How well are 2005 STi's selling?
A non-luxury manufacturer with a well selling car would never decrease the model's price. However, I do see your point. $27K for a new STi? I would be walking down to the dealer right now.
exactly, Porsche does this with their last year models that offer better for a bit less, The 2005 turbo S and the last generation anniversary edition 911, were great values and that allowed customers to buy the last years model w/o remorse, locally I see my dealer w/3 STIs on the lot and not moving since dec, I'm waiting for the 06 hoping it'll either be cheaper or the same price but w/more features, as for the new styling, I suspect it's gonna look pretty good, and i'm hoping the new wing is carbon fiber, as for those who are thinking evo 9, listen to the subaru boxer engine sound;;; just like Porsche

As with most of you I have cash in hand and am ready and able to purchase an STi but I'm waiting for the 06 specs to come out and also am worried that by the time I know about 06 and possibly don't like it the 05's will be gone. Plus the 06 may go up in price more then I want. (remember people cars are not computers they do not get cheaper as they get better)

Because of this I figure if I can get a screamin deal on an 05 I would buy it today we're talking free options below Dealer Invoice etc. That way atleast I would know that regardless of slight improvements I got a great deal and I would be happy. However unless I can get said deal I will wait and see with the rest of you and place my order this summer.

Bottom line the 05 Spec Sti is an awesome vehicle and everyone who has one seems to grin with glee. But having the same proven chassis and powertrian further modified and enhanced as well as better resale could be very nice. I also doubt the 06 will be completely new and more of a re-skin to hold them over to 08.

It is funny however as the dealers are all either in the dark or tight lipped and if they would have released the info by now they would be able to get a jump on 06 sales knowing their remianing inventory of 05's would be gone soon. Because they haven't leads me to believe there alot of STi without homes.

My friend's brother's cousin who has a relative in Japan knows someone who read a blog regarding a Japanese Subaru dealer who said...
- The reality is that the new Impreza had been under development using renderings like those in the rags as a base, but when the proposed design was passed by Subaru's President, he allegedly yelled 'We can't sell this!' and the styling was brought back to the drawing boards.


:lol: :lol:

My friend, Joseph Ratzinger of Germany, appeared Tuesday on a Vatican balcony as the 265th pontiff, Benedict XVI. See, we'd met when I was a choirboy in the local church, and we grew up rallying Subarus together, talking to most of the CEOs, rubbing elbows with Zap and the other Design Heads, and even the bean counters who control what Subaru releases. Joey always like spending time with the little kids, boys especially, but next to rallying with little boys, he *really* likes Subarus. Well, Subarus and God.

Anyway, I asked him to ask God what God knew about the upcoming Subarus since all we ever have here in News & Rumors are "my dealer/friend/brother/cousin/son-of-neighbor's-cousins's-dog's-best-friend TOLD ME" threads.

So, here's what my friend, Benedict XVI, or just "Bennie" to me and his other close friends, said: "Dear brothers and sisters, after our great pope, John Paul II, the cardinals have elected me, a simple, humble worker in God's vineyard," according to a translation of remarks he made in Italian. "I am consoled by the fact that Subaru knows how to work and how to act, even with insufficient tools, and I especially trust in your prayers."

There, that should clear it all up...... :rolleyes:

In other words, RUMORS are just RUMORS until there's a friggin CAR on the LOT to BUY.

Worrying about what it COULD BE, or how much it'll COST is nonsense. :p

here we go again! Dispite all the undeducated, soaring price predictions on nasioc, the B9 Tribeca ended up being under $40K. A Legacy 3.0R will defnitly not be $50K. Probably the same goes for any Legacy STi.

My turn to throw out wild uneducated guesses: Legacy 3.0R: $32K-$36K Legacy STi: $37K - $41K.

not a personal attack, just my .02

I don't think anyone predicted the Tribeca would come in over $40K. Maybe mid to upper 30s. Maybe I'm wrong.

The redesign on the Legacy/Outback may just be a slight revision to the front in order to comply with new European pedestrian safety standards, but that's just a guess.

The only thing a $27k STI would do would kill the sales of the regular WRX. I don't think many people really cross shop the two despite their similar price tags. That like saying a cheaper Merc C55 AMG would kill the sales of the E500.

My friend, Joseph Ratzinger of Germany, appeared Tuesday on a Vatican balcony as the 265th pontiff, Benedict XVI. See, we'd met when I was a choirboy in the local church, and we grew up rallying Subarus together, talking to most of the CEOs, rubbing elbows with Zap and the other Design Heads, and even the bean counters who control what Subaru releases. Joey always like spending time with the little kids, boys especially, but next to rallying with little boys, he *really* likes Subarus. Well, Subarus and God.



How clever. :rolleyes:

Leave this kind of crap for OT, okay? Thanks.

Que???????

:lol: This Legacy STi rumor seems a little more solid than the usual salesman bs.

How clever. :rolleyes:

Leave this kind of crap for OT, okay? Thanks.

This is exactly what this forum has turned into :furious:

Dammit MODS?!!! :furious:

Again.. I'm voting for myself to mod just THIS forum. Put some sanity into this place again :rolleyes:

This is exactly what this forum has turned into :furious:

Dammit MODS?!!! :furious:

Again.. I'm voting for myself to mod just THIS forum. Put some sanity into this place again :rolleyes:

Yes, please.

Somebody who actually frequents this forum!

I think someone said earlier it may be time for News forum and a seperate Rumor forum.

I think this could settle a lot of poeple down.

You really think I believe um??? LMAO hey man I know there smoking heavy on the dragon but I thought I would show dealers know !**!

C&D said it in passing recently, but I'm pretty sure it was in error and based off of nothing more than a little assumption. The STi Forester is supposed to be a wheel, suspension tranny and brake package. Engine upgrades were not on the list.

Are you talking about a UK model? I can't see a USDM STi model with the same engine as the FXT.

Hey, you're from my area!

I wouldn't believe them because I told them all the stuff about the 05 STi before they even pulled it off the truck!

They are a good bunch of people though!


i live down the road from that dealer, and i hate them. but who knows, maybe it will be some cheeseball package they offer with only cosmetic changes


btw, nice nick, if you see a black 02 w/ a decpeticon logo, honk

Are you talking about a UK model? I can't see a USDM STi model with the same engine as the FXT.


Actually his is probably the most accurate post in here.

Dealer people, look in STIS and take a look at the 06 manuals. There are some rather interesting features. Namely, wheels and electrical.

I predict a lot of angry Subie enthusiasts if Subaru announces a Forester STi and it turns out to be just a wheel, suspension tranny and brake package. (not that that would be a bad thing by itself but people expect an STi model to include engine upgrades)

WWJTM?

((What Would Jesus Tell Me))

The dealer told me MSRP was a deal. :P

I predict a lot of angry Subie enthusiasts if Subaru announces a Forester STi and it turns out to be just a wheel, suspension tranny and brake package. (not that that would be a bad thing by itself but people expect an STi model to include engine upgrades)
That's all it is in Japan.. and it's apprently selling well. Well, that's all it was.. the upcoming one might be different.

I predict a lot of angry Subie enthusiasts if Subaru announces a Forester STi and it turns out to be just a wheel, suspension tranny and brake package. (not that that would be a bad thing by itself but people expect an STi model to include engine upgrades)

This thread:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=758658

Seems to indicate it's not just a minor packaging device.

Whether *we* are getting it...who knows?

Augh, the world I live in, where the "My dealer told me" thread becomes a sticky!!! :p

That's all it is in Japan.. and it's apprently selling well. Well, that's all it was.. the upcoming one might be different.

Yes, but to Americans STi = a LOT more hp. Again, I'm not saying the suggested package is a bad idea; I just don't think it should have an STi label.

when are we gonna send off that higher performance Legacy thread to subaru? :confused:

when are we gonna send off that higher performance Legacy thread to subaru? :confused:
Too late, either they read it and disregarded it or they never got it.

New LegGT SpecB for US will be: 2.5T Bilstiens, 18" wheels, red leather inserts, pedals...

I have been talking to my local dealer that past few months about getting a Subaru and I finally decided to get an 06 STi. He informed me of a new body kit (which I have seen looks a little funky but thats ok) and an additional 30hp.

ever since he told me that I have looked online for the new 06 STi and I saw the new body but have seen no mention of an additional 30hp. This true? Anyone know?

your dealer is lying..
hp will stay the same.. most likely..

your dealer is lying..
hp will stay the same.. most likely..

I hope not! :mad:

I have been talking to my local dealer that past few months about getting a Subaru and I finally decided to get an 06 STi. He informed me of a new body kit (which I have seen looks a little funky but thats ok) and an additional 30hp.

ever since he told me that I have looked online for the new 06 STi and I saw the new body but have seen no mention of an additional 30hp. This true? Anyone know?

The speculation is it will be the same HP but will have the facelift which to many is not an improvement. If you can wait 6 months to find out then do it. Just be confident because chances are you will be paying a premium versus buying an 05 at a discount do to the buzz regarding the 06.

05 current look discount price do to end model year known quantity

06 possible (not likely) hp increase premium price tag for new look

Personally the new look and slim chance of increase is not worth paying 4K more for the 06.

If it really has a HP increase and I am weak enough to where it bothers me then I could spend the difference and still be ahead in performace in the end.

Another "My dealer told me..."

As far as the 06 (STi), I have seen several pictures of the actual one from Japan (since they always get the new models before we do, it is on sale in Japan right now.)

:confused:

What is everybody being told about ordering, not a down payment but an order. My dealer told me that orders were going to be taken the first of July and the car (Wrx) should be in towards the end of August. Anybody else?

My salesman told me yesterday:

He was told that Subaru is looking to release a diesel starting out through a Saab then possibly to the Subaru models. I know we have rumored about the diesel possibility before, so I tho¨ght you guys mught be interested. This guy is generally not an enthusiest so he doesnt say things without reason and he told me this without me even asking. Just FYI.

i love diesels..

I love biodiesels...

I was told 6 weeks ago that I could order an '06 Wrx today, I went in this morning and was told that the zone rep. had to be contacted first. We will see where this goes. I will update every so often.

Well, I don't have any prices yet, but was told that leather with heated seats were included on a "Limited Edition Wrx" according to the Subaru zone rep. I have not heard of this before, but the order will go in Friday with the other options that I wanted for a mid to late August delivery. I will update when I know more.

See the car is suposed to be rally bred, which means it can have no more than a 2.0. even the 04-05 STi is not a rally car, why would they completely change it and put in a 6cylinder?

Crap, it looks like Wrx prices will not be out until the end of the month so the dealership that I am talking with said that they cannot order before prices are out. The "Zone Rep" in this area tried to get the prices earlier, but was told he had to wait.

Heard from my dealer today that I could put a deposit and agree for invoice on the '06. He's going to hear back monday about allocations for the first batch. Will update. Sounds like this is really close.

your dealer is lying..
hp will stay the same.. most likely..


no horsepower change and no need. Even for 08, if there are any hp changes they will be minimal, 300 from a 4 cylin. is impressive.

your dealer is lying..
hp will stay the same.. most likely..

But what about the WRX boost? I can't see them bringing the WRX closer to the STi (not saying you're wrong on the STi, thinking people are wrong on the WRX).

I was at the dealership today, buying a new Impreza 2.5 RS, and I asked the salesman out of curiosity, "How often do you see SVXs around here?" He said, "Very rarely, and no one ever wants to trade them in. They're bringing it back, though." He didn't say when, or what the actual name would be, but he said it would be a fairly large coupe with all-wheel-drive (obviously). Dunno if anyone's heard anything else about this, but with all-wheel-drive becoming a hot feature in just about every segment of the market, it wouldn't surprise me if the all-wheel-drive master made an entry into the personal coupe section.

no horsepower change and no need. Even for 08, if there are any hp changes they will be minimal, 300 from a 4 cylin. is impressive.
Yes. Renault feel that 100 hp per litre from an NA is about absolute max with current technology...and those cars get 4 MPG and 100 miles per quart of oil...not a daily driver.

With a turbo 311 HP from a 2.5 four is impressive. Remember the Supra 1jz, 2.5 litre straight 6 made 280 with twin turbos, and the 2jz 3.0 litre straight six made about 320 with twin turbos...that's from the factory...before FnF tarted it up. The STi is doing the same HP with 2 fewer cylinders and 14 percent fewer cc's.

I'm happy.

Jon Butler, 86.5 Supra(blown head gasket at 240,000 miles) 05 STi.

Sales person (owned 2 WRX's and currently an STI) said that the 06 will have 320HP:)

Last year when I was looking at an '04 WRX wagon, I was enquiring about the
Enkei rims that were on the car in the showroom. I said that I would consider those if they through in a set of Winter tires/rims.

The salesperson or "Retard" as I like to call him, told me that steel rims weren't strong enough to deal with the massive amount of torque the WRX has, so I would need the stock rims for the winter... for a fee of course.
I laughed and walked away knowing they would screw me any way they could if I bought a car there. Never will I buy a subie there.

If anyone reading this is from Ottawa/Hull region, this was at Ogilvie motors.

I was at the dealership today, buying a new Impreza 2.5 RS, and I asked the salesman out of curiosity, "How often do you see SVXs around here?" He said, "Very rarely, and no one ever wants to trade them in. They're bringing it back, though." He didn't say when, or what the actual name would be, but he said it would be a fairly large coupe with all-wheel-drive (obviously). Dunno if anyone's heard anything else about this, but with all-wheel-drive becoming a hot feature in just about every segment of the market, it wouldn't surprise me if the all-wheel-drive master made an entry into the personal coupe section.

I read something about the B11S being the reincarnation of the SVX, so if they massage the B11S to make it more production-worthy, that could be the vehicle you heard about. I have heard no substantial rumors regarding bringing this vehicle to market, but it's feasible.

I've talked to a Subaru rep, and he said that when the SVX was on the market, they didn't sell well, but as soon as they pulled it, everyone wanted Subaru to bring it back.

I suppose that means they were a little too pricey for the average person? People loved them but couldn't afford them?

Let's hope they don't make the same mistake with its successor.

Hello Everybody. Newbie here. My wife and I just put in an order for an 06 impreza outback. We just got a bizarre call today from the dealer saying that they got a call from Fuji that they will not be selling the Impreza Outback WITHOUT the special edition option :confused: You can only get it with the sp option :confused: :mad:
This is after getting a delivery number and everything. Does anybody know what the heck is going on. Is this kind of info what I hae to look forward to with Fuji industries as I venture into subaru land?

special editio , hmmmm :devil:

Hello Everybody. Newbie here. My wife and I just put in an order for an 06 impreza outback. We just got a bizarre call today from the dealer saying that they got a call from Fuji that they will not be selling the Impreza Outback WITHOUT the special edition option :confused: You can only get it with the sp option :confused: :mad:
This is after getting a delivery number and everything. Does anybody know what the heck is going on. Is this kind of info what I hae to look forward to with Fuji industries as I venture into subaru land?

If they are asking for more money, WALK AWAY. Not worth it. Teach that dealer a lesson for not knowing their product. Also, I would report them to SOA. This is one of the oldest car dealer scams ever.

Honda. My friend went to PICK UP his car, and they upped the price a grand for "certifying" it. Unfortunately, he fell for it and is now a grand poorer.

Walk away dude. There are other Subie dealers. Walk away.

If they are asking for more money, WALK AWAY. Not worth it. Teach that dealer a lesson for not knowing their product. Also, I would report them to SOA. This is one of the oldest car dealer scams ever.

Honda. My friend went to PICK UP his car, and they upped the price a grand for "certifying" it. Unfortunately, he fell for it and is now a grand poorer.

Walk away dude. There are other Subie dealers. Walk away.

LOL...this matter was resolved peacefully. and the dealer was telling the truth all along.

I hear it will have four wheels, five if you count the Steering wheel.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hello everyone,
My name is Michael I work at Lancaster Subaru. I am sorry to see that almost everyone posting here has a negative opinion about their Dealerships. I know that alot of Sales people dont really know much about the cars that they are selling. I would however like to say that anyone in the Lancaster area should feel free to stop by and talk to one of us here. We definately aren't like all those other dealerships. We are under new management (for all of those who have heard bad things about us in the past), and all four of our fully qualified salesmen would be more than happy to answer any questions any of you have. I also would like to throw something totally off topic in here, we are going to be building a couple of cars here at Lancaster Subaru, and would like some input. We are taking a 2006 Impreza TR, and modifying it a little bit. We would like to know what parts you guys would like to see on the car, and what parts you think are a bad Idea. Thank you all very much for your time, and I hope that dealerships, like what we are trying to be, will change your opinion about us.
Michael at Lancaster Subaru

Michael--better be careful. If you change the shift knob on your project car, Subaru will likely void your warranty........cheers, Oldnslow

HAHA, I will give you that one. Subaru Warranties are fairly easy to void, lol. But we are trying our best to find what exactly we can Change and still keep the factory warranty. Well we have found some odd things, such as if you put the STI suspension on a TR, you void the warranty, or if you change the radiator hoses, the Strut tower bars ( to certain size or strength ), the filter element to any kind of foam filter, add a blow off valve ( unless it is SPT and re-circulated correctly ), Change the Inter-cooler (of course ), change the Turbo ( of course ), Change the Downpipe, Change the up-pipe ( even though changing the up-pipe is better for the Turbo, because there is a catalytic converter inside of it, and keeps the heat next to the turbo ), and many others. The shift knob though is not on the list, lolz. I would love to hear from you guys and see what mods you would like to see on the car. Thank you again for your time, and have a nice day.
Mike at Lancaster Subaru

Well first off thanks for making the effort in trying to be a careing salesman instead of just a salesman. To answer your question I'd "tune" my TR with some high quality seats like: Sparco, Bride, or Cobras.

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/469/torino29tj.png (http://imageshack.us) http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/3195/brideracingseats2cl.png (http://imageshack.us)http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/5055/cobraracingseats5je.png (http://imageshack.us)

Then move on to a sterio system. Most sterios today are designed pretty well it just boils down to the features that one wants. I like the Kenwood DDx8017 or the Eclipse AVN5495...
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/3756/kenwoodddx80175wp.png (http://imageshack.us)http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/1025/eclipseavn54954me.png (http://imageshack.us)
Then I'd move on to the wheels. Volk's are pretty popular. The RS-Zeros for the STi would be a no brainer.
http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/6582/volkrszerosti6kb.png (http://imageshack.us) Any other mods besides ground effects or cosmetic stuff might be treadding on "Warrenty territory." Also something to consider when modding. Keep it colour co-ordanated. e.g. Blue TR with blue seats and the gold wheels would sure look nice.

My dealership told me that PCV valves didn't exist, and I didn't need to change mine.

So I opened the manual on the STi in the sales room and proved him wrong.

SERVICE MANAGER OWNED.

That's all.

Mike at Lancaster Subaru

Which Lancaster? CA or PA or some other state?

A salesman at a local dealership told me that a Legacy STI was coming out in 2007 with a twin turbocharged H-6 making 380hp. "Oh really..." I said. :rolleyes:

I'm running around with the prototype version of that car. You wouldn't believe how awesome this car really is!

My dealership told me that PCV valves didn't exist, and I didn't need to change mine.

So I opened the manual on the STi in the sales room and proved him wrong.

SERVICE MANAGER OWNED.

That's all.

:lol: Many service managers are not mechanics; they are basically just glorified receptionists.

Hello all,
Its me again, I just wanted to say that usually service managers really don't know what they are talking about, I have seen that with my own eyes, lolz, and here our service manager isn't much better w/the subie's because he has to deal with mazda's, subies, suzuki's, Isuzu's, and Honda's..... BUT, our Technician's here are awesome! One of the guys here, did an entire clutch job including resurfacing the Flywheel in 1 HOUR! that guy is crazy! haha, and just so you guys know, we are in LANCASTER, CALIFORNIA , just makin sure that everyone knows that we aren't in Pennsylvania (spell check, haha). OH YA!!! We are done with our TR! we put the complete STI suspension on it, including some extra stuff, haha, Rota Torque 2's w/ Kumho Ecsta tires.... This thing handle's awesome!!! If anyone wants to come test drive it, please do! just ask for Mike Ross, but of course if I'm not here you can ask my manager, Michael Spencer. Anywayz, I have wasted too much of your time, Thank you very much and have a nice day
Michael at Lancaster Subaru

That's this guy's point...he was an interested prospect looking at an STi at the dealership and the dealership told him that better things were coming. Your dealer was obviously trying to get you to buy right then.

Jim


Weird. My dealer totally told me the STis were making it to the States.

Wow, this guy was RIGHT ON.

Other then GM no longer owning 20% of FHI. (And the 270hp STi, of course I think even Subaru didn't know what they were going to do with the STi yet. Everyone says "great hidden suprise" I think "Great last minute decision")

Umm. Bump?

-Allen

Wow, this guy was RIGHT ON.

Other then GM no longer owning 20% of FHI. (And the 270hp STi, of course I think even Subaru didn't know what they were going to do with the STi yet. Everyone says "great hidden suprise" I think "Great last minute decision")

Umm. Bump?

-Allen
:lol: Nice bump!

wow, crazy

If you throw enough s**t at a wall, eventually it'll stick.

Not saying this was all purely coincidental, but c'mon - I can find 1000s of "my dealer told me" where the OP (not this one, just general) was flat wrong.

It's like the kid who "predicted" 9/11 - no he was a kid who said something whacky on a random day, and, on that random day, 9/11 happened.


Just like this dude - not saying he was lying or that he wasn't right, but what about:
MY03 Forester wasn't exactly "all new and larger."

Legacy/Outback face lift didn't happen til 05

The impreza got a facelift in 04 (not mentioned) and again in 06, not redesigned or "all new body."

No mention of the Tribeca, unless that's what the GM joint venture thing was about, which, I'm assuming, is what actually happened.

Again, I'm not hating, and I do think it's pretty cool to look at the time stamp and see how accurate the dealer APPEARED to be, but when you look at it more closely, it wasn't exactly a premontion ;)

No you are absolutely correct and that was my point I was trying to prove by bumping this. It is KINDA close but not accurate. And since we have another thread in the forum right now with the same title and the same speculation, I thought it would do us, the News & Rumors forum good to remember their history.

-Allen

Hmm, interesting. We have a Subaru psychic.

Well i'd like to know what's next then =)




TTsvx remodel pleeeeeeeease

Well i'd like to know what's next then =)




TTsvx remodel pleeeeeeeease
That would be very nice. I think there is a sporty coupe in the future, being that Subaru doesnt have one to offer.

That would be very nice. I think there is a sporty coupe in the future, being that Subaru doesnt have one to offer.

If Subaru would just get moving and sell the B11S, they WOULD have a sporty coupe-like vehicle! (notice I said "coupe-like". The B11S would be good enough for me.)

Usually when manufacturers come out with a prototype, they bring the prototype features into actual products (if they don't actually bring the prototype to market).

Subaru appears to have done nothing with the B11S, and nothing with the Scrambler, aside from finally bringing the hybrid powerplant to market (at least, that's what we're hoping to see soon).

I'd be willing to bet that GM clamped down on Subaru to prevent the Scrambler coming to market before GM's inferior roadsters came out, and they probably couldn't stand the thought of the B11S outshining everything GM had to offer, so they quashed that too.

Now that GM is out of the picture, Subaru should get busy bringing those concepts to market! :banana:

just got back from my 6000 mile oil change and asked about if there was a limited edition 07 sti, the general manager had just got back from a meeting in phoenix and showed me the picture of the car. there will be 500 white and 500 silver. it looks like a WRX same rear tail no roof vane spoiler but everything else looked like an 06 sti. he said that the leather would be brick red
like the limited legacy that they make this year. he was not told if there will be any horsepower increase. i asked why no rear tail and he said alot of people dont like the rear spoiler and thats why the limited will not have it,he did say however you could order it to be put on at the factory.(thats the rear trunk spoiler) i didnt ask about the roof vane spoiler. He said that it would go on sale around july and when it is available he would call me and let me know if it has any horsepower increase. sorry no pictures but it looks just like an 06 wrx.

Okey, now we're starting to corroborate stories, good. Let's get more info kids.
I like the red brick, but require the HP increase for me to sell my left kidney and get this puppy (woops, already sold the right one to get the better half's engagement ring)

Point of clarification, is it silver or gray? I'm all about the CGM, but don't really like the silver.

Cheers,
Nawambo

I know this is gonna sound kind of lame... but they make a special edition of the car, and you can't get it in WRB, Subarus trademark colour?

Hm, Dealers ganging up and starting rumors just to make us nasioc members more mad?!?!?! :)

J/K

Still a lacluster effort from FHI to deliver us the special editions we really want. :rolleyes:

If it ends up true. IF

Unless there is an actual change in the engine, wouldnt a 15-20 hp bump in power output be futile to tuners anway? If they do something other than change engine internals or heads that results in a 5-8% power increase, you would have gotten those same hp by doing the exhaust and EM anyway. Its more just to say it has it stock than anything else then isnt it?

Hm, Dealers ganging up and starting rumors just to make us nasioc members more mad?!?!?! :)

J/K

Still a lacluster effort from FHI to deliver us the special editions we really want. :rolleyes:

If it ends up true. IF

You're nuts... if this turns out to be true... it will be a Spec D(iscreet)ish automobile in the vain of what the rest of the world is getting. There are a lot of people who love everything about the current STI but want something a little less boy racer looking.

And also... if this turns out to be true... it looks like SOA is beginning a trend of offering more *true* Special edition vehicles... they have to start somewhere.

Ya, it does sound like the Spec D... Lame.

it would be nice if this car does have 20 hp more that would be enough to make a difference. I have read in the new sport compact car that they believe that the new evo X will be the same horsepower just delivered in a
more linear way. I thought that kinda sucked that they couldnt even get the evo to 300 or 320. I myself would like to have an even more limited sti (then we already have now) if they throw a little more power and some spec c handling this would be a real nice car to own. at the subie dealer they had
one of the $34,000 legacy spec b's there and the brick leather looks nice.
they said the color would be a little lighter than the legacy. so im guessing
that would be like the silver on the 04 05 sti thats not GCM. as soon as i know anything new i will share with all of you here. :disco:

You're nuts... if this turns out to be true... it will be a Spec D(iscreet) just like the rest of the world gets. There are a lot of people who love everything about the current STI but want something a little less boy racer looking.

And also... if this turns out to be true... it looks like SOA is beginning a trend of offering more *true* Special edition vehicles... they have to start somewhere.

I am with you on this. Better yet lets just have a few more options available like a stand alone sunroof option or leather if you want it (I don't). Also, a wheel and tire option would be nice. I have an 06 STi coming in soon and because I live in Michigan the first thing I have to do is get different tires for the winter months. Believe me I know from experience with the 04. How 'bout an all season tire option. Anyway, I could go on as we all could........................but maybe things are starting to change a little.

Hey there everyone, this Mike at Lancaster Subaru yet again. haha, just wanted to let you guys know that the 2007 STI Limited is actually coming out, the exact are simple.... same as the STI! lol, the only real differences are gonna be that the Rear trunk spoiler is gone, and replaced w/the WRX spoiler, the interior will not be Brick red, it is going to be two-tone black and blue leather interior, have a moon roof, and all the little features that the Limited WRX has. Oh ya! and the Legacy is gonna have a 6 speed, SHHHH! I didn't tell you guys that okay! n e wayz, I am not a liberty to say anything else about the '07 Line up or I'll get yelled at or something haha. Anyways, I am definately looking forward to selling the 07's! If you guys wanna buy any subie, let me know i can get you an awesome deal!
Michael Ross at Lancaster Subaru
(661)949-3535 ext.260 Or just ask for Subaru Sales

Hey there everyone, this Mike at Lancaster Subaru yet again. haha, just wanted to let you guys know that the 2007 STI Limited is actually coming out, the exact are simple.... same as the STI! lol, the only real differences are gonna be that the Rear trunk spoiler is gone, and replaced w/the WRX spoiler, the interior will not be Brick red, it is going to be two-tone black and blue leather interior, have a moon roof, and all the little features that the Limited WRX has. Oh ya! and the Legacy is gonna have a 6 speed, SHHHH! I didn't tell you guys that okay! n e wayz, I am not a liberty to say anything else about the '07 Line up or I'll get yelled at or something haha. Anyways, I am definately looking forward to selling the 07's! If you guys wanna buy any subie, let me know i can get you an awesome deal!
Michael Ross at Lancaster Subaru
(661)949-3535 ext.260 Or just ask for Subaru Sales

Hmm? What else can you *not share* with us? Anything more about power?

Black/blue leather are we thinking something like this? Because that would be great!

http://www.subaru.co.jp/legacy/wrlimited/interior/01/imgs/top.jpg

http://www.subaru.co.jp/legacy/wrlimited/interior/02/imgs/top.jpg

Nawambo

actually, that is exactly what i'm talking about! and about the power.... no, there will be no change, although we would all like that, haha. but seriously, who needs more power in the STI? if you drive it right, I personally dont think you would need any more then, maybe an intake, exhaust, and a Cobb access port. then your done. anywayz, that is my "Opinion", but everyone have a nice day.

actually, that is exactly what i'm talking about! and about the power.... no, there will be no change, although we would all like that, haha. but seriously, who needs more power in the STI? if you drive it right, I personally dont think you would need any more then, maybe an intake, exhaust, and a Cobb access port. then your done. anywayz, that is my "Opinion", but everyone have a nice day.
i don know if i should the 07 STi or wait for the 08 i know its a whole new remodel

Why would a manufacturer be keen on letting a dealership know what cars are "coming", at the expense of today's sale?

Hmm. STi SpecD or Limited looks nice though.

Just so you guys know, that picture up there was taken from the 07 Legacy Spec. B, the STI should look something like that, but with the bucket style seats. I dont mind giving the information about the 07's because I am a subaru enthusiast as well as most of you, and I know if I purchased and '06, and then something new comes out in '07 that I would have wanted more, I would be upset with myself for not waiting till the next year. Although, some people like the STI Limited, many others prefer the bare bones, racing feel of the STI, some people dont want the leather, they want the big bulky spoiler, and the agressive look, and for all the others who want the "Sleeper STI", it will be available towards the end of this year. Thank you all again for your time, if you have any other questions feel free to message me, or just ask on one of my many posts. Have a nice day
Michael at Lancaster Subaru

When I bought my 06 wrx a couple of weeks ago the dealership told me that this was the last year for wrx impreza and that in 07 their makeing a limited edition sti and wrx with the same body style but more high class with navi and what not and he said something about the sti being hatchback. and then no more wrx or sti?!? because their introducing a new car to subaru. is there any truth in this? :confused:

When I bought my 06 wrx a couple of weeks ago the dealership told me that this was the last year for wrx impreza and that in 07 their makeing a limited edition sti and wrx with the same body style but more high class with navi and what not and he said something about the sti being hatchback. and then no more wrx or sti?!? because their introducing a new car to subaru. is there any truth in this? :confused:

Sounds like the dealer got a little confused.

Piecing together the tidbits we've all heard, it sounds like '07 (not '06) will be the last year for the current Impreza body - new design in '08.

Why he said it's the last year for the Impreza, is probably because we've heard talk of them dropping the Impreza name, and calling it the B5 instead, but it'll be the same market segment.

The dealer was correct about the limited edition, but it's not replacing the STI, it's just a stealthier STI with moonroof and leather.

You're referring to the STI that Europe gets w/ the leather and moonroof.... I doubt it will make it's appearance here....

You're referring to the STI that Europe gets w/ the leather and moonroof.... I doubt it will make it's appearance here....I'm certain it will make its appearance here, under the name STI Limited.

but seriously, who needs more power in the STI?

No one. Who wants more power? Just about everyone.

but seriously, who needs more power in the STI?


No one. Who wants more power? Just about everyone.

I'm one who doesn't necessarily want more power in the STI - I want more power in the Legacy.

Unless we're talking about a Legacy STI, then, yes, I want more power in the STI! (considering the fact that the Legacy STI doesn't yet exist, to get more power, it would have to exist, therefore, by asking for more power in the Legacy STI, the obvious precursor to getting more power in it would be for it to exist in the first place, so I'm really just asking for the Legacy STI to come into existence - then we can discus its power and the need for more.) (then again, maybe it would a whole lot quicker to just buy the new 6-spd Spec B, take it to Jeff Perrin, and have him drop in a turbo 6 for $10K or so, and be ahead of the pack.... :D )

In my personal opinion, the STI really doesn't need any more power. The market that the vehicle is targeting, is a already having problems getting insured, and staying away from tickets, lol. Think of it this way, Would you rather 10-20 more horsepower and a little bit less adjustment in the Differential bias? The Legacy is the closest thing you can get to having the actual STI motor, and my Manager at Lancaster Subaru Michael S. spent approx. $1500 and now will beat a stock STI in the quarter haha. either way, the STI doesn't need more power from the factory, the S204 on the other hand could use like 20 more hp and maybe a debut in america, lol. Oh ya, and just so you all know...
THE STI LIMITED IS COMING OUT IN 07!!
as well as the I-Pod connection, Satellite radio and MP3 capability in the Legacy.
Mike at Lancaster Subaru

Me want Legacy STI..... Could care less about Impreza STI, Impreza STI Limited, whatever.....

ditto

ditto


X2

.........

Just so you guys know, that picture up there was taken from the 07 Legacy Spec. B, the STI should look something like that, but with the bucket style seats. I dont mind giving the information about the 07's because I am a subaru enthusiast as well as most of you, and I know if I purchased and '06, and then something new comes out in '07 that I would have wanted more, I would be upset with myself for not waiting till the next year. Although, some people like the STI Limited, many others prefer the bare bones, racing feel of the STI, some people dont want the leather, they want the big bulky spoiler, and the agressive look, and for all the others who want the "Sleeper STI", it will be available towards the end of this year. Thank you all again for your time, if you have any other questions feel free to message me, or just ask on one of my many posts. Have a nice day
Michael at Lancaster Subaru

If that is a pic of 07 Legacy Spec B shouldn't it have reverse lockout ring if it's six speed? I would love to see a six speed spec B with the power of an STI. I would probably have a hard time keeping my STI knowing that kind of product was available. Anyway it's good to guess but all I really hope is that Subaru does not produce a sequel to the STI that looks equally as terrible as the 2002-2005 Civic SI craptchback. I hate hatchbacks.

More pwr for STI? I actually heard that for all 2007 model year Subarus the *stated* hp will decrease, due to SAE guidelines. Will be interesting to see how Subaru marketing gurus spin the story of a 288 hp (or whatever it works out to be) STI, versus the current 300 hp rating.

If that is a pic of 07 Legacy Spec B shouldn't it have reverse lockout ring if it's six speed? I would love to see a six speed spec B with the power of an STI. I would probably have a hard time keeping my STI knowing that kind of product was available. Anyway it's good to guess but all I really hope is that Subaru does not produce a sequel to the STI that looks equally as terrible as the 2002-2005 Civic SI craptchback. I hate hatchbacks.

That's a JDM Legacy GT WRC Limited edition interior IIRC. Not a new model.

i heard Hybrid Outback coming this year

OK, so here's the deal, I have a deposit down on an hard to find 05 FXT MT and I was setting up an appointment today to finilaze financing and picking up. And I think the dealer slipped. I'm planning on doing the whole STI conversion going vf39, intercooler, exhaust bits, ap, and suspension bits. In discussing this with the dealer he stops me and says I should wait a few weeks because he heard some forester specific performance parts will be coming out. I was a bit confused about that so we talked for a bit then he goes, yeah I'll be putting down for a Forester STI as soon as I can. Then his voice changed as if he was Hagrid from Harry Potter, you know, "I shouldn't have said that." I know he wouldn't want to mess up the sale by getting me excited about that. Just to make him feel better I was like "so that would be more like an 08 model right?" He was like yes actually 07's are already in production. He also mentioned it just in consideration right now. But it leaves me to think it's highly in consideration. Sorry to start a rumor thread but that just throws a huge rench in my project and I found it just a bit odd. I may just keep this 05 FXT more stock and trade in? Dunno, anyone else hear anything?

BTW This was the owner, not just a salesperson and he did mention he heard this, this past Wednesday.

Daydreaming ....... (yummm)
http://www.netcarshow.com/subaru/2005-forester_sti/1024x768/wallpaper_01.jpg

-Alex

Not going to hold my breath, if the US was going to see it they would have announced them at NYIAS. He probably googled Forrest STi and saw what you see.

It would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.


-Matt

I guess i'll add my name to the list of people not holding their respective breaths.

I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but this is the second 5-door STI rumor very recently:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13520238&postcount=1

But I think I'm going to go ahead with my wagon conversion at this point. I'm ****ing tired of all the rumors, I'm ****ing tired of waiting, and at this point I don't have much confidence in SoA making this car any kind of a bargain.

If they want to prove otherwise, they have a couple months before Subaru never gets another dime from me for a new car. :)

i just wanna say theres no way in hell they would make a forester STI in the U.S... as much as i want one i HIGHLY doubt it.. if they would bring the Forester STI to the U.S. why would they delete the 5spd option from the LGT wagon!?

^those aren't facts but thoughts...

This looks like yet another thread that needs to be merged into the sticky The "My Dealership Told Me" Thread (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=755849).

This looks like yet another thread that needs to be merged into the sticky The "My Dealership Told Me" Thread (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=755849).
+1...

i just wanna say theres no way in hell they would make a forester STI in the U.S... as much as i want one i HIGHLY doubt it.. if they would bring the Forester STI to the U.S. why would they delete the 5spd option from the LGT wagon!?

^those aren't facts but thoughts...

Well keep this in mind. Bringing cars like this over isn't for direct profits all the time. It's for brand hype and advertising. For example when the WRX STI came out, tons of articles and writeups really gave Subaru a lot of attention. I mean car enthusiast know thanks to the WRX we have the 350z, rx8, etc etc. But the average consumer had no idea until the urban legend STI came out. These cars bring people to showrooms, and even if they can't afford it may buy a lower model of the car. The Forester is next on the lineup to get a performance "special" model. Impreza has it's STI, Legacy has it's Spec B, Forester I think will have it's STI / Cross Sports (The XT isn't wow enough). It makes sense and they won't take sales away from other cars on any drastic scale and keep subaru drivers with subaru (like people going from impreza lineup to a family car that don't want a tribeca and want performance). I think the media would be all over an FSTI. ESPECIALLY with the crossover trend going on. Makes %120 sense to me. Gas prices don't seem to phase Americans much either.

I think would skyrocket their record sales even more. :banana:

-Alex

I'm still buying the FXT with a big smile and I'll trade in if it happens :D

Possible, but not this year. If they had anything new coming out soon it would have been announced at the New York Auto Show last week.

Well keep this in mind. Bringing cars like this over isn't for direct profits all the time. It's for brand hype and advertising. For example when the WRX STI came out, tons of articles and writeups really gave Subaru a lot of attention. I mean car enthusiast know thanks to the WRX we have the 350z, rx8, etc etc. But the average consumer had no idea until the urban legend STI came out. These cars bring people to showrooms, and even if they can't afford it may buy a lower model of the car. The Forester is next on the lineup to get a performance "special" model. Impreza has it's STI, Legacy has it's Spec B, Forester I think will have it's STI / Cross Sports (The XT isn't wow enough). It makes sense and they won't take sales away from other cars on any drastic scale and keep subaru drivers with subaru (like people going from impreza lineup to a family car that don't want a tribeca and want performance). I think the media would be all over an FSTI. ESPECIALLY with the crossover trend going on. Makes %120 sense to me. Gas prices don't seem to phase Americans much either.

I think would skyrocket their record sales even more. :banana:

-Alex

I'm still buying the FXT with a big smile and I'll trade in if it happens :D

I would have to agree with that line of thought......

i just wanna say theres no way in hell they would make a forester STI in the U.S... as much as i want one i HIGHLY doubt it.. if they would bring the Forester STI to the U.S. why would they delete the 5spd option from the LGT wagon!?

^those aren't facts but thoughts...

I don't see how this computes? I would hump a FSTI all day long, but would need a very large brown bag to jump on the LGT wagon (5spd or not)....

if it happens I would probably trade in my WRX for it. :D if it happens.

I'd seriously consider one.

Well keep this in mind. Bringing cars like this over isn't for direct profits all the time. It's for brand hype and advertising. For example when the WRX STI came out, tons of articles and writeups really gave Subaru a lot of attention. I mean car enthusiast know thanks to the WRX we have the 350z, rx8, etc etc. But the average consumer had no idea until the urban legend STI came out. These cars bring people to showrooms, and even if they can't afford it may buy a lower model of the car. The Forester is next on the lineup to get a performance "special" model. Impreza has it's STI, Legacy has it's Spec B, Forester I think will have it's STI / Cross Sports (The XT isn't wow enough). It makes sense and they won't take sales away from other cars on any drastic scale and keep subaru drivers with subaru (like people going from impreza lineup to a family car that don't want a tribeca and want performance). I think the media would be all over an FSTI. ESPECIALLY with the crossover trend going on. Makes %120 sense to me. Gas prices don't seem to phase Americans much either.

I think would skyrocket their record sales even more. :banana:

-Alex

I'm still buying the FXT with a big smile and I'll trade in if it happens :D

i do agree with this line of thought somewhat... working for a subaru dealership let me just say that the majority of forester buyers are women, and could care less about performance.. most of them will just get the Forester X and leave happy.. and to be quiet honest i dont think those women would care about the FSTI then suddenly think "o let me just get the Forester X".. why i say this is because the people that usually come in on a STI would like to just look at it.. few will actually buy (here in the south).. we can never pull any of those people to buy an impreza 2.5i even with the STI... all those think that the STI DOES get attention, but none of those people that come think about getting the 2.5i.. then again thats from a tennessee dealer standpoint.. things can be different in places like NY or colorado :alien:

but nonetheless i would LOVE to see a FSTI in the U.S.

I've always thought that halo car mystique was a crock. I never beleived that stuff about intriguing high end performance cars bringing in customers for other models. Nonsense.

Well one thing the halo car does do is give some advertising boost and may make people aware of vehicles they didn't know about. Not every shopper is as informed as we are on what is out there. A FSTI would sell in reasonable numbers. Some people want sports cars but have families. This doesn't mean they stop wanting sports cars it usually just means they can't have one.

You know...

The new RAV4 is 268hp. Forester sales are down. Also, it doesn't get a redesign until MY2008. In that light, I can see a higher-spec Forester being released as an '07...

I'd love to see STi or SPT kits for all subies. That way a family can go whole hog for the suspension and power or one or ther other. I'm not talking about the current catalog either, real STi bits and pieces incliding turbo, i/c, etc and a freakin ECU remap. 300 chp Forester is a partsbin raid away.

OMG, I havent really been keeping up to date with the STIs since I've been out of the country for a year. ARE WE GETTING those CARS??? the FORRESTER STIs???

How much?? THOSE ARE RAD!

if true...that's my next car.

my dealer told me the b11s is coming in 18months.

my dealer told me the b11s is coming in 18months.

This is first time I've heard THAT rumor! If true, it's about time!

Any substantiating evidence?

he had pictures of the 2003 concept, i doubt its true.

The new Legacy GT Spec B would be in my garage with 6 speed mt, if they would do it in a wagon.

i had a dealer once say STi is never coming....that was in like...02 o 03... idiot

lol wow

last '06 I test drove, salesman made a point to tell me how much they changed the car from my 05, he also bragged about them going to a 3 cyl. in the WRX for MY06! :D

Let's guess where I'm not buying my next car. The guy was kinda creepy too.

my dealer told me the b11s is coming in 18months.

If only :(

Heard today that along with the STI Limited there will be a "lower price STI." My guy says it should MSRP around $29,900. I'm hoping it's comparable to the idea behind the Evo RS. I'm REALLY hoping it's a USDM Spec C.

I figure to lower the price, SoA has to pull things off the car. No HID, etc. This leads to lighter weight and all that good stuff.

I also heard it was limited production.

Hmm...the JDM Spec-C apparently comes in a 16" option with WRX wheels and brakes...

The version that is basically stripped down so rally teams can do them up to their desired specs. It's a little less expensive to procure the base model then.

impreza:

current front grill gone. Looks more like 2008 legacy grill.
longer and wider. Yep the impreza has gotten bigger.
Said design looks more sleek, acura like.
Not as agressive as 2006.
car was shown as sedan and wagon.
Wagon was an STi. (might be getting sti wagons)
said wagon looks less like a wagon more like a hatch.

forester:

Has gotten bigger.
more like the rav-4.

B9:

Grill is gone.
looks like 2008 legacy grill is more like what you will see on all the cars.

Your dealer is a liar.. And u didnt need to make a thread for this unfounded rumour..

Your dealer is a liar.. And u didnt need to make a thread for this unfounded rumour..

isn't that why its in the "news and rumors" section.... :confused:

it could have been added here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=755849


isn't that why its in the "news and rumors" section.... :confused:

He said he saw the pics of the impreza. So w/e. guess we will see.

B9:

Grill is gone.
looks like 2008 legacy grill is more like what you will see on all the cars.

Not exactly. I've seen the pics personally, and the grill is still there, but there's no more chrome, which makes it less obtrusive.

^yes but there is also no more chrome on the 07.

I saw them today, there is chrome around the outer edge and parts are painted to match the body. Looks pretty good too. The two new colors are going to sell by the truck load the Diamond grey metallic may be the best color Subie has ever had.

I saw them today, there is chrome around the outer edge and parts are painted to match the body. Looks pretty good too. The two new colors are going to sell by the truck load the Diamond grey metallic may be the best color Subie has ever had.

'06 Atlantic Blue Pearl > '07 Newport Blue

Not exactly. I've seen the pics personally, and the grill is still there, but there's no more chrome, which makes it less obtrusive.

Dude was regferring to the '08. You seem to be referring to the '07.

I've seen an actual mockup in person of the Tribeca with that new grille as seen on the new Subaru Stella and '07 Japanese Legacy. The grille WILL be changing again on the Tribeca to follow suit.

Actually I didn't see any blues, the second color was more of a light khaki, it looked really good.

Wrx Wagon comes in a Tuner Ready Model

that we cannot pre-order 07 Limited STI's.

My dealer told me a few things today...

The TPH hybrid was canceled...
There is a hybrid in development, but not til the 2011 model year :(
The Subaru basic warranty might go up to 4yrs/50k
There is a 3.6l H6 coming for the tribeca...
E85 is being ressearched, as is possibly bringing diesels to the US...
2008 Imprezas might have nav systems, not sure about port or dealer install though...

Thats about it

My dealer told me a few things today...

The TPH hybrid was canceled...
There is a hybrid in development, but not til the 2011 model year :(
The Subaru basic warranty might go up to 4yrs/50k
There is a 3.6l H6 coming for the tribeca...
E85 is being ressearched, as is possibly bringing diesels to the US...
2008 Imprezas might have nav systems, not sure about port or dealer install though...

Thats about it

Hope your dealer is right about the 3.6L Tribeca. That's exactly what it needs. I hope they tune it to run on regular gas too. I also hope he's right abot NAV being offered on the Impreza.

Bob

Hope your dealer is right about the 3.6L Tribeca. That's exactly what it needs. I hope they tune it to run on regular gas too. I also hope he's right abot NAV being offered on the Impreza.

Bob


It's like you read something :D


Not that I am confirming or denying anything ;)

Hope your dealer is right about the 3.6L Tribeca. That's exactly what it needs. I hope they tune it to run on regular gas too. I also hope he's right abot NAV being offered on the Impreza.

Bob
My dealer is well informed

I remember reading about a 3.6L engine that FHI was working on some time ago. So, I guess the rumor was true. That's good news. I hope it also makes it's way into the Legacy Spec. B at some point.

Bob

I remember reading about a 3.6L engine that FHI was working on some time ago. So, I guess the rumor was true. That's good news. I hope it also makes it's way into the Legacy Spec. B at some point.

Bob

Doing a quick extrapolation:
Subaru quotes the current Tribeca 3.0L H6 at 245 hp/ 215 tq,
that's 81.67 hp/liter & 71.67 lb-ft torque/liter,
which would put the 3.6L H6 at around 294 HP/ 258 tq.

That would be a really nice engine to have in a Legacy!

I think it was mentioned it was just for the Tribecca... The current H6 works fine with the legacy.

However, I wouldnt mind swaping a 3.6l into my L :D

that would make the legacy just a tad bit nose heavy...

I think it was mentioned it was just for the Tribecca... The current H6 works fine with the legacy.

However, I wouldnt mind swaping a 3.6l into my L :D

I'm going to have to disagree with Subaru here - I think the 3.6L H6 would be a wonderful addition to the Legacy! (...but that would overshadow the turbo 2.5 in the GT too much.)

I presume this means that the rumored turbo H6 3.0 for the Tribeca is no more? Probably due to those emissions problems that were rumored (a rumor about a rumor?).

that would make the legacy just a tad bit nose heavy...
I would think its just a new EZ variant, if so it wont weigh any more than the current outback H6. (The EZ30's weight about the same as a turbo EJ)

I'm going to have to disagree with Subaru here - I think the 3.6L H6 would be a wonderful addition to the Legacy! (...but that would overshadow the turbo 2.5 in the GT too much.)

I presume this means that the rumored turbo H6 3.0 for the Tribeca is no more? Probably due to those emissions problems that were rumored (a rumor about a rumor?).
The only thing I heard was 3.6 for the Tribecca, didnt hear anything about the legacy or anything about it being turbo...

I think it was mentioned it was just for the Tribecca... The current H6 works fine with the legacy.

However, I wouldnt mind swaping a 3.6l into my L :D

Subaru will have to spread the engine around to get the unit costs down. It may well start in the Tribeca for '08, but I bet when the Legacy and Outback get redesigned, it becomes available on those models too.

If that happens, I bet you can expect a 3.0 H6 Forester too.

Bob

If that happens, I bet you can expect a 3.0 H6 Forester too.

Bob
Everyone keeps saying the 09 forester will be bigger, but H6 bigger? I hope not... It still owns the small SUV market, dont want to ruin that.

Everyone keeps saying the 09 forester will be bigger, but H6 bigger? I hope not... It still owns the small SUV market, dont want to ruin that.

The Forester doesn't need to get bigger to handle the H6. The Forester is based on the Impreza chassis, and Jeff Perrin has already put a Tribeca H6 in an Impreza.

It'll fit in the Forester.

Everyone keeps saying the 09 forester will be bigger, but H6 bigger? I hope not... It still owns the small SUV market, dont want to ruin that.

I bet the next-generation LL Bean Forester gets the 3.0 H6.

Bob

I bet the next-generation LL Bean Forester gets the 3.0 H6.

Bob


It needs it.

Self leveling struts and plastic package tray do not make a $1,000 premium over an XP ;)

The Forester needs the 6cylinder period.

X = 4 cylinder
XP/LLB = 6 cylinder
XT = turbo 4

<----- Been saying that for a long time.

Jeff Perrin has already put a Tribeca H6 in an Impreza.
It'll fit in the Forester.

now only if he can get it to run right.

now only if he can get it to run right.


I didn't realize he was having problems with it. Maybe he should detune it slightly. I think I remember hearing that he was getting 500 hp out of it. (I think that was to the wheels)

Just tell him I'll volunteer to drive it for a while to work out the bugs. :D

I think Subaru should put the EZ30R into the Impreza, so that people who want to be N/A and have good performance can be happy. I know I'd get one.

I think Subaru should put the EZ30R into the Impreza, so that people who want to be N/A and have good performance can be happy. I know I'd get one.

I think that's an excellent idea! They should also put it in the Legacy, instead of just the Outback, though I've heard rumors that the Legacy 3.0R is finally coming here, possibly in '08.

I think Subaru should put the EZ30R into the Impreza, so that people who want to be N/A and have good performance can be happy. I know I'd get one.


It wouldn't surprise me if the '08 (US-spec Impreza) STI has a turbo 3.0 H6. Maybe even offer a detuned version for the Legacy spec.B. That would allow the current 2.5 turbos (WRX, F-XT, O-XT & L-GT) to up their power ratings.

Bob

I wouldn't mind a detuned version of the 3.0L H6 in turbo form in a Legacy Spec B. :)

I wouldn't mind a detuned version of the 3.0L H6 in turbo form in a Legacy Spec B. :)

I would LOVE a TUNED version in a Legacy Spec B!

as much as the turbo H6 would be sweet I'd be much more pleased to se the N/A version. Not because I don't love boost but because I think it would be a nice offset to the WRX and STi's.

A 4L H-8 high-compression engine that revs to about 7,500 rpm would be fun too. :) A good sporty engine would be very nice.

Lots of options, now just make us something nice, smooth, and crisp. :)

I'd kill for an H8 with variable displacement and direct port fuel injection...

Variable compression is better than variable displacement and we already have port fuel injection. Do you mean direct fuel injection that is in the cylinder, not in the runner ports?

Variable compression is better than variable displacement and we already have port fuel injection. Do you mean direct fuel injection that is in the cylinder, not in the runner ports?
You know what I mean :rolleyes:

And variable compression is not as good for gas mileage as variable displacement is...

A 4L H-8 high-compression engine that revs to about 7,500 rpm would be fun too. :) A good sporty engine would be very nice.

Lots of options, now just make us something nice, smooth, and crisp. :)

The downside to an H8 is the fact that the whole engine has to sit ahead of the front axles (since they come directly out of the transmission). That makes for a long front end.

How about a W8?

Well, it's all down to the packaging, it *COULD* be changed, but I'm not betting on it anytime soon.

Kostamojen, :p I know what you mean't. Just giving you a little crap. :) I think VCR is more benefitial than variable displacement because it allows your engine to run closer to it's maximum efficiency than just deactivating cylinders. VCR has been claimed to be able to improve efficiency in the realm of nearly 30% I believe according to one technical paper I've seen, while I've heard approximately 5-10% with cylinder deactivation. Now combining a few key technologies such as VCR, solenoid controlled infinitely variable valve control (camless), and direct injection, we could see a whole new realm of efficiency in the relatively inefficient internal combustion engine. Turbines are much more efficient. :) We need to be running around in batmobiles. :cool:

So how about some ridiculous dealer info...

While looking at the STi limited at the dealership, i was talking about getting a STi soon. The guy told me i can only get 2006 STi's. He said the closest used STi was located in Oregon... And i live in UTAH! I laughed in his face about that comment, but he contested that it was true... i soon left.

So how about some ridiculous dealer info...

While looking at the STi limited at the dealership, i was talking about getting a STi soon. The guy told me i can only get 2006 STi's. He said the closest used STi was located in Oregon... And i live in UTAH! I laughed in his face about that comment, but he contested that it was true... i soon left.

Maybe they (or the other dealerships in the region) have a lot of unsold 2006 STis and he was hoping to unload one of them on you.;)

My local dealer seems very down to earth.

the dealer that sold me my car, hes from brasil, as am i

so he told me to cry for them to drop the price of my car until it was as low as it could possibly be

i walked out with a 2006 impreza 2.5i + the premium maintnence program + the sport exhaust + an intake

for the price of the car and the maintenence someone else would pay

the dealer that sold me my car, hes from brasil, as am i

so he told me to cry for them to drop the price of my car until it was as low as it could possibly be

i walked out with a 2006 impreza 2.5i + the premium maintnence program + the sport exhaust + an intake

for the price of the car and the maintenence someone else would pay


Do you post in the wrong place often??
Congrats on the deal.

It needs it.

Self leveling struts and plastic package tray do not make a $1,000 premium over an XP ;)

The Forester needs the 6cylinder period.

X/X P.P. = 4 cylinder
LLB = 6 cylinder
XT = turbo 4

<----- Been saying that for a long time.

^i agree with this now

I guess most people might know this.

I just heard from my brother, who is now at the dealership getting a new Subie, said that Reza saw pictures of the new WRX and it looks nothing like the 'white' test mule spy photos that circling the net. He said the guy came from Japan and had pictures in a locked briefcase. Also before they showed pictures, they scanned the room for hidden cameras and such.

So, nobody outside the corporate circle, knows what this thing looks like.

double post sorry

So i was at my dealer today for an oil change. While I was waiting I was able to ask the parts guy and a service consultant about what i can and can not do to my car to retain warranty. I was told by the parts guy that anything i do to the car is fine as long as it is SPT parts and the same was said by the service consultant. The parts guy was maybe late 20's and the service consultant was in his 50s and he seemed very knowledgable on the subject. He said "anything aftermarket is probably going to screw me with any future engine claims (TBE, Cold air intakes, ect.) but anything made by SPT is good to go." He also said "you can install the parts yourself if you wish as long as it is installed properly. If it is not installed properly you will not be covered." This makes sense to me because if its installed right how are they gonna blame the part to cause a problem. I read everywhere on the suby wesbite I have not found anything stating the parts MUST be installed by a dealer it just says it is intended for those with the necessay automotive knowledge to complete the job.
The reason I am posting this is because I have read other places on NASIOC that warranty will only be covered if the part was installed by the dealer and bought from the dealer. not one but two guys tellin me at my dealer say I can install anything as long as it is SPT. Why can't SOA have a flat policy about this crap, I hear one thing on here and another from the dealer. I really have a full schedule and my dealer is roughly an hr away each way. It is much easier for me to modify my car from home.

So basically I dont wanna go ahead and buy lets say an SPT intake for 50 bucks less than i would at a stealership and install it in my driveway and hear down the road a couple years the 'ol "we didnt install it" cop out.
thoughts??

While NASIOC tends to have all the answers for any question you might have ranging from automotive, to relationships, to politics, and, of course, everybody is ALWAYS right and has an IQ of 300...

I would offer the following advice:
If your dealer says they will honor your warranty with SPT parts, why would you care what people here say? I'm going to tell you that the dealer will try to sexually molest you if they find SPT parts installed on your car, but if they tell you otherwise, who are YOU gonna believe?

PULL the trigger and do some mods. if you brake it pay for it. thats why it pays to think smart dont do 5k drops, dont try to drift around every corner with your neons on. ive had modded subies for some time now. the only thing that has needed to be warrantied was from my drivers power window making a sound.

My dealer told me a few things today...

The TPH hybrid was canceled...
There is a hybrid in development, but not til the 2011 model year :(
The Subaru basic warranty might go up to 4yrs/50k
There is a 3.6l H6 coming for the tribeca...
E85 is being ressearched, as is possibly bringing diesels to the US...
2008 Imprezas might have nav systems, not sure about port or dealer install though...

Thats about it

The Hybrid was not cancelled.

2009 Forrester will have a turbo charged hybrid engine thanks to the JV with Toyota. Look for it to increase in size slightly. It will be out in early 08.

My dealer told me a few things today...

The TPH hybrid was canceled...
There is a hybrid in development, but not til the 2011 model year
The Subaru basic warranty might go up to 4yrs/50k
There is a 3.6l H6 coming for the tribeca...
E85 is being ressearched, as is possibly bringing diesels to the US...
2008 Imprezas might have nav systems, not sure about port or dealer install though...

Thats about itThe Hybrid was not cancelled.

2009 Forrester will have a turbo charged hybrid engine thanks to the JV with Toyota. Look for it to increase in size slightly. It will be out in early 08.phantasm, your choice of which post to dispute was incredibly poor. Kostamojen's information was mostly from a Subaru letter sent last June to its Dealer Advisory Board and subsequently published for all of its dealers to read.

So, is there any word on transmissions that will be available for the redesigned WRX? 6spd manual and 5spd auto by any chance?

So, is there any word on (what) transmissions ... will be available for the redesigned WRX? 6spd manual and 5spd auto by any chance?I don't know the answers, but these are timely questions. IMO, both a 6-speed MTX and a 5-speed ATX will be required to keep pace with other manufacturers. In fact, I would hazard a guess that within the next generation Impreza's life cycle these transmissions (and possiblly the CVT) will become standard issue on even the most base entry level vehicle.

Let's face it, whether the competition has them or not, our Subaru Imprezas and Foresters desparately need more and better spaced gears. We've got four Imprezas in our household (1x '99, 1x '03, 2x '06) and I always find myself reaching for, wishing for and wanting another gear and closer ratios.

Perhaps one or more of our connected members can help us out with answers without breaching any pledge to secrecy??? ;)

-Catsmeow

I don't know the answers, but these are timely questions. IMO, both a 6-speed MTX and a 5-speed ATX will be required to keep pace with other manufacturers. In fact, I would hazard a guess that within the next generation Impreza's life cycle these transmissions (and possiblly the CVT) will become standard issue on even the most base entry level vehicle.

Let's face it, whether the competition has them or not, our Subaru Imprezas and Foresters desparately need more and better spaced gears. We've got four Imprezas in our household (1x '99, 1x '03, 2x '06) and I always find myself reaching for, wishing for and wanting another gear and closer ratios.

Perhaps one or more of our connected members can help us out with answers without breaching any pledge to secrecy??? ;)

-Catsmeow



Thanks Cat. I agree that the cars need the extra ratios. I drove a VW GTI and 06 WRX back to back yesterday, and I find myself disappointed with the WRX's powertrain. More lag than an engine with smaller displacement (due to high compression/direct injection in GTI, maybe smaller turbo?), tendency to rough lift-throttle bucking, shifter requires too much thought, and first gear is difficult to engage. That plus the very ancient appearance of the interior materials other than the upolstery, and I find myself leaning towards the VW. But my experience with Subarus has been good, so I am torn...should I wait for the new 2008 WRX, because if I don't I will likely end up with the GTI? I hate these dilemmas, lol.

;16114046']phantasm, your choice of which post to dispute was incredibly poor. Kostamojen's