1-3% in texas... but still... when a credit union quotes you a rate... you can be sure they're making more than "buy rate"

No kidding. Sad really. Heist :p

Myth Buster: Most States only allow the interest rate on a new car to be marked up 1%. Banks and Credit Unions do the same thing up front. Getting Subaru Motors Financing with special rates can normally come in below Credit unions or banks. Weigh your options before committing.

It's not so much the interest that gets jacked up, it's all the fees they inject into the loan amount to add more profit.

It's not so much the interest that gets jacked up, it's all the fees they inject into the loan amount to add more profit.

Don't you know, everything's bigger in Texas :p

:confused: :huh: But I'm not IN Texas...

Oh, you were referencing Heist...

Don't you know, everything's bigger in Texas :p

Here's a news flash:

I would have put it in the rumors section but since the dealership told me and I have no further proof or link or anything it would just get moved here anyway. But anywho,
I was told that the Outback was going to be bigger than the Legacy in the future. That would mean that its getting a different body from the Legacy. Im sure it will still be based on the same platform but it will get further separation. Right now the Outback and Legacy are basicly the same car except with body moldings, fender flares, suspension and tires. In the future the whole body will be slightly bigger than the Legacy. This is great news for people like me who feel the legacy is too small and the Tribeca is too expensive. I hope it resembles the 5 door impreza because personally I dont like wagons that look like station wagons of the past (current outback) but I do like the look of the new hatch style wagon (impreza 5 door).

A vehicle between the Legacy and the Tribeca. Isn't that the Forrester?

A vehicle between the Legacy and the Tribeca. Isn't that the Forrester?

But the '09 Forester is gruesome, er, I mean, grew some. It's getting closer to the Tribeca, leaving room for something in between the Legacy and Forester (apparently). I guess this means the Legacy isn't growing much (at least not as much as the Outback), which is good news.

A vehicle between the Legacy and the Tribeca. Isn't that the Forrester?

except that legacy buyers may not want an suv or cuv or whatever (insert letter)uv you want to call it.

But the '09 Forester is gruesome, er, I mean, grew some. It's getting closer to the Tribeca, leaving room for something in between the Legacy and Forester (apparently). I guess this means the Legacy isn't growing much (at least not as much as the Outback), which is good news.

What you've seen it? No that's not certain yet about it being like the Tribeca.

The leggy will grow. Do you seriously think that Subaru can sell 2 cars whose interior dimensions are so close as the GE/GH Imp and the BL/BP Leg? The Leg is smaller than a civic now, expect minimum last gen Accord size. As for the OB, it will differ from the Leg as it is the only wagon now, how much it differs will be interesting but I'd expect the next gen to be sized near the current tribeca (volume wise) and the Tribeca likely will grow to a 7-seat only outlook/acadia/enclave-type vehicle.

What you've seen it? No that's not certain yet about it being like the Tribeca.

No, I haven't seen it. I was just basing my comments on some comments from some UK people who were invited to a no-cameras event and asked to give opinions on it.

except that legacy buyers may not want an suv or cuv or whatever (insert letter)uv you want to call it.The Forrester is on the same damned platform as the legacy, just bigger. And it's going to be harder to get bigger without being taller.

The Forrester is on the same damned platform as the legacy, just bigger.No it isn't and learn how to spell its damned name before posting about it.

A vehicle between the Legacy and the Tribeca. Isn't that the Forrester?

The Forester is smaller than the Legacy, not larger. If anything, it's between the Impreza and the Legacy/Outback.

The Forrester is on the same damned platform as the legacy, just bigger. And it's going to be harder to get bigger without being taller.

Forester is on the Impreza platform, always has been.

;19814443']No it isn't and learn how to spell its damned name before posting about it. Awww......do you always get butt hurt about the name?

My dealer says the '08 STI service manuals are now availible ;)

Here's a news flash:

I would have put it in the rumors section but since the dealership told me and I have no further proof or link or anything it would just get moved here anyway. But anywho,
I was told that the Outback was going to be bigger than the Legacy in the future. That would mean that its getting a different body from the Legacy. Im sure it will still be based on the same platform but it will get further separation. Right now the Outback and Legacy are basicly the same car except with body moldings, fender flares, suspension and tires. In the future the whole body will be slightly bigger than the Legacy. This is great news for people like me who feel the legacy is too small and the Tribeca is too expensive. I hope it resembles the 5 door impreza because personally I dont like wagons that look like station wagons of the past (current outback) but I do like the look of the new hatch style wagon (impreza 5 door).

i question the outback becoming a whole new car... its alway been a jacked up legacy, personally i'd be shocked if that would change... expect the next gen legacy/outback to be similar cars again especially since the rest of the world gets legacy wagons, we'll get jacked up versions of those IMHO

STI Engine info:

Intercooler is simular, but the turbo is more like the Legacy GT/08 WRX turbo in terms of flanges and location...

The intake system is like the Legacy/08 WRX, not the old STI...

The engine has a new, larger oil cooler and some sort of extra oil system for the exhaust side cams/valves...

The new muffler looks interesting, but the rest of the exhaust appears the same...

STI Engine info:

Intercooler is simular, but the turbo is more like the Legacy GT/08 WRX turbo in terms of flanges and location...

The intake system is like the Legacy/08 WRX, not the old STI...

The engine has a new, larger oil cooler and some sort of extra oil system for the exhaust side cams/valves...

The new muffler looks interesting, but the rest of the exhaust appears the same...

So its confirmed that we get the quad tips too?

Thanks.

So its confirmed that we get the quad tips too?

Thanks.
Of course. Theres no reason for us not to get the quad tips.

Of course. Theres no reason for us not to get the quad tips.

Well, there are good reasons against the quad tips, but once it's established as the ROTW muffler, it weighs heavily against us getting something better.;)

Now if the option was something worse, SoA and FHI might be willing to give it to the US buyers.:lol: ;)

Of course. Theres no reason for us not to get the quad tips.

Thanks, I just wanted to confirm as someone had stated we wouldn't.

Nothing striking, but the 08 STI will (also) be on show at the auto show in Boston in December

My dealership told me today that they would pre-order me a base model STI with an agreed price at $1200 below invoice if I order before Nov 30. Should I do it?

^^^^acuratized and specificated at 9:34pm

My dealership told me today that they would pre-order me a base model STI with an agreed price at $3-4k below MSRP ($1200 below invoice) if I order before Nov 30. Should I do it?

If so, get it in writing.

Good luck.

It's not so much the interest that gets jacked up, it's all the fees they inject into the loan amount to add more profit.

I know for my last new car, the banks couldn't match the dealer financing. If that is the case, and you negotiate the price beforehand, take the lower rate (especially if you can get it 2 - 3 percentage points below, which was my case).

Just do the math on the loan. All loans have fees, even the ones from a bank.

If so, get it in writing.

Good luck.

I did, and I preordered. $1k below invoice on the base model.

I did, and I preordered. $1k below invoice on the base model.

Awesome, congrats!

Who really owns the subaru company?

Who really owns the subaru company?

Subaru is a division of Fuji Heavy Industries. Fuji Heavy was formed from 5 of the 12 original companies that were broken apart due to anti-competition laws in Japan, from the company started by Chikuhei Nakajima, the Nakajima Aircraft Company.

Short history:
1917 - Chikuhei Nakajima opens Aircraft Research Laboratory
1931 - Aircraft Research Laboratory becomes Nakajima Aircraft Co.
1945 - After WWII, Nakajima was no longer alllowed to build airplanes, so they renamed the company Fuji Sangyo Co. and made engines.
1950 - Fuji Sangyo divided into 12 smaller companies
1953 - The five largest rejoined and became Fuji Heavy Industries. Fuji Heavy again started aircraft production, as well as beginning auto production.
1954 - P1 built, auto division named Subaru

As far as I know, Fuji Heavy has always been independent. Some time ago, GM bought a 20% stake in Fuji Heavy, then recently sold it, of which Toyota bought 8.7%. So, other than Toyota's share, Fuji Heavy is independent.

There is a rumor that Toyota is considering buying enough to take controlling stake in the near future, but that hasn't happened yet.

No serious financial problem or anything like that...

But...

I went to the Subaru dealer today and spoke to the sales manager, which informed me earlier that my new STI will be delayed for about a month. Well he had more news, and not that very exciting.

He said Subaru´s suppliers of Recaro seats and BBS wheels are having more problems that it seemed in the beginning.

First news of the year was: My STI was supposed to arrive in late february but now pushed back to late march, due to this lack of goodies problem. The reason for this is more orders than Subaru and the suppliers had thought of.

Well, today comes the big boom, headshot. He informed me that Subaru had contacted them again, stating that my fully loaded STI will be in early february production, meaning that it won´t make it here until very late march, probably april or may.

What struck me was the next piece of information: Subaru are NOT taking more orders of Recaro/BBS package for an undisclosed time because they simply can not meet up with those orders. What must sting some hopeful fully loaded owners, who recently ordered theirs, is that Subaru is cancelling their orders! They will have to order later if they want the Recaro/BBS package!

This made me hugely nervous but the sales manager told me that my "Spec.R" is still on the order list, since I ordered it so early on.. and well, since I have bought so many new Subaru´s :D

However, mine will be the only one here for quite a while. Looks like Subaru are selling more of those fully loadeds than they anticipated. This is bad news for those who had ordered and will have to see their order cancelled but also good news because it tells us that the STI is selling (ordering) like hot muffins.

But I went home wondering: Is this true or is this just a way to excuse a delay in delivery? Anyone else here heard of this?

No serious financial problem or anything like that...

But...

I went to the Subaru dealer today and spoke to the sales manager, which informed me earlier that my new STI will be delayed for about a month. Well he had more news, and not that very exciting.

He said Subaru´s suppliers of Recaro seats and BBS wheels are having more problems that it seemed in the beginning.

First news of the year was: My STI was supposed to arrive in late february but now pushed back to late march, due to this lack of goodies problem. The reason for this is more orders than Subaru and the suppliers had thought of.

Well, today comes the big boom, headshot. He informed me that Subaru had contacted them again, stating that my fully loaded STI will be in early february production, meaning that it won´t make it here until very late march, probably april or may.

What struck me was the next piece of information: Subaru are NOT taking more orders of Recaro/BBS package for an undisclosed time because they simply can not meet up with those orders. What must sting some hopeful fully loaded owners, who recently ordered theirs, is that Subaru is cancelling their orders! They will have to order later if they want the Recaro/BBS package!

This made me hugely nervous but the sales manager told me that my "Spec.R" is still on the order list, since I ordered it so early on.. and well, since I have bought so many new Subaru´s :D

However, mine will be the only one here for quite a while. Looks like Subaru are selling more of those fully loadeds than they anticipated. This is bad news for those who had ordered and will have to see their order cancelled but also good news because it tells us that the STI is selling (ordering) like hot muffins.

But I went home wondering: Is this true or is this just a way to excuse a delay in delivery? Anyone else here heard of this?

are you in the United States?If so your getting very bad info and its the dealer giving it to you not Subaru.NO 2008 STI's are being sold in this country with Recaro seats..............its not a supplier problem either,they are simply are not available in any US spec 2008 STI.....

are you in the United States?If so your getting very bad info and its the dealer giving it to you not Subaru.NO 2008 STI's are being sold in this country with Recaro seats..............its not a supplier problem either,they are simply are not available in any US spec 2008 STI.....

No I´m in Iceland and the Recaros are available here.

No I´m in Iceland and the Recaros are available here.

AHHHHHH,OK!

I think it might be true Addi, orders taken in the first month of sales were over 4 times the expected forecast (1867 vs 450)

We also get a Spec. R model in Australia and our delivery dates seem to have been pushed back.

It was my impression that the new Euro-spec STI was always planned to commence deliveries in Spring 2008.

I don't think either Washi Beam, which makes the BBS forged wheels for the STI, or Recaro are having unusual production or financial problems. But I don't monitor those companies' activities very closely.

;20702140']It was my impression that the new Euro-spec STI was always planned to commence deliveries in Spring 2008.

I don't think either Washi Beam, which makes the BBS forged wheels for the STI, or Recaro are having unusual production or financial problems. But I don't monitor those companies' activities very closely.

First batch (3) of base STI are scheduled to hit shores here at the end of january, early february. Lighting red, dark grey and midnight blue.

I think it might be true Addi, orders taken in the first month of sales were over 4 times the expected forecast (1867 vs 450)

We also get a Spec. R model in Australia and our delivery dates seem to have been pushed back.

Wait, what's different about the Spec R?

Thanks.

Wait, what's different about the Spec R?

Thanks.

At least here (Iceland) the Spec.R is as follows:

BBS wheels
Recaro seats (hence the name... Spec.R)
Fogs
Push Start
Keyless Entry
Navigation
Privacy Glass
+ optional cold weather package

At least here (Iceland) the Spec.R is as follows:

BBS wheels
Recaro seats (hence the name... Spec.R)
Fogs
Push Start
Keyless Entry
Navigation
Privacy Glass
+ optional cold weather package

Cool, thanks, bus to no power increase though.

Thanks again,
N

When is Subaru going to get the hint that power is key. All the other things are niceties, but they're just the icing on the cake. The cake is the power boost. American drivers like power.

you know you have reached the point of complete frustration with salespeople when you just decide to become one yourself and start little by little to resolve the problem yourself.

As a sales person, Yes its true we do not get informed of many things but we do try to research as much as we can and sometimes things might be lost in translation, but at least Subaru sales people do try :)

Forester is on the Impreza platform, always has been.

Which is based on the Legacy platform dating back to 1989........ (Legacy was introduced in 1989 as a 1990 model in Japan)

You mean to tell me no one has taken delivery of a new sti yet?

"you are paying for the service your salesman gives you" Quality Subaru Wallingford, CT

Just want to know one thing. I'm confused now !!!
Subaru made the new Impreza as a hatchback car and I spoke with the subaru salesman and he told me they will bring sedan STI this year later as 2009 model !!!??
I don't believe that :confused:

Neither does anyone else, so don't worry about it

Hey Jon (or anyone else).

I heard that the US gets an allocation of 3500 STIs for 08, and that 1200 are already sold orders.

If this is true, it seems that we could see the allocation be consumed before the 09's are in production.

Is this normal (initial demand spike for new MY) or is the 08 STI just selling more briskly than anticipated?

It looks like 2008 will be a short model year for the STI in the US.

;21038933']It looks like 2008 will be a short model year for the STI in the US.

hmm i guess.... tho we subaru here in hawaii have 15 bbs package and 5 base models andthat was all on the first order.. we get our next order in may i believe. so we hawaii will have quite a few (i'm in the sales side here)

;21038933']It looks like 2008 will be a short model year for the STI in the US.

Yep. It's February, and '08 STIs are just hitting the dealers here in the East. I would assume '09 models will be out in late July or August.

Bob

Thanks Jon - I have a follow-up.

What is your gut feel on an 08 LTD? Or is it more probable as an additional model for the 09?

I know that the dealers haven't heard anything because I've got my name on 2 lists. Non-leather seats are unfortunately a deal-breaker for my wife (er....me )

Seriously - we may have a baby by the end of the year, so this is serious business! :D. I figure that I need to plan on having an order in by mid year (and try and finagle non-leather), but don't know when a LTD might be offered....

I was talking with a well-informed salesman; I say well informed in that he really seemed quite knowledgeable about Subaru and their future products.

What he said was not to expect much, if anything, new for the 2009 Impreza. However, there will be major upgrades to the 2010 model, much like what has been rumored and posted here (more power, new front and rear styling, etc.). Even more interesting is that he said the 2009 MY will be a short one, which is why there are no changes, and that the 2010 Impreza will be released early next spring. So my guess is that next year, about this time we'll see the much-improved 2010 Impreza.

Also—and this is no surprise—the sales increase to the '08 Impreza is mainly due to the 2.5i Premium package model. Yes, he said WRX sales are way down, especially higher priced models. Customers just don't see the value in the WRX as it nears $29K.

He also said that's not true for the STI, as sales on this model are way up over last year so far, and that customers are not balking at a near $40K MSRP for higher end models.

Bob

I was talking with a well-informed salesman; I say well informed in that he really seemed quite knowledgeable about Subaru and their future products.

What he said was not to expect much, if anything, new for the 2009 Impreza. However, there will be major upgrades to the 2010 model, much like what has been rumored and posted here (more power, new front and rear styling, etc.). Even more interesting is that he said the 2009 MY will be a short one, which is why there are no changes, and that the 2010 Impreza will be released early next spring. So my guess is that next year, about this time we'll see the much-improved 2010 Impreza.

Also—and this is no surprise—the sales increase to the '08 Impreza is mainly due to the 2.5i Premium package model. Yes, he said WRX sales are way down, especially higher priced models. Customers just don't see the value in the WRX as it nears $29K.

He also said that's not true for the STI, as sales on this model are way up over last year so far, and that customers are not balking at a near $40K MSRP for higher end models.

Bob

this is interesting news, but what are they going to change for 2010 then? the impreza is pretty good where it is now, i would expect subaru to make changes for 09 not for 10 to the wrx.. the rest of the line seems fine... weird stuff..

so i went to mitsu and i asked how much boost does the new evo x have and he said "300"

thats funny. ^^

So I went to the dealer yesterday to test-drive the LegacyGT, and while im doing this I start talking to the guy about Imprezas (i drive a WRX atm), and he said that the 09 STI is going to be the fastest 0-60 production car... He said times will be in the mid to low 3's... has anyone heard/seen a verifyable source for this?

So I went to the dealer yesterday to test-drive the LegacyGT, and while im doing this I start talking to the guy about Imprezas (i drive a WRX atm), and he said that the 09 STI is going to be the fastest 0-60 production car... He said times will be in the mid to low 3's... has anyone heard/seen a verifyable source for this?

I haven't heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me if they change the gearing slightly so that 0-60 can be done in gears 1 & 2. Right now it requires gears 1, 2 & 3. That extra shift into 3rd hurts the 0-60 time a lot. Someone at SOA told me that.

Bob

So I went to the dealer yesterday to test-drive the LegacyGT, and while im doing this I start talking to the guy about Imprezas (i drive a WRX atm), and he said that the 09 STI is going to be the fastest 0-60 production car... He said times will be in the mid to low 3's... has anyone heard/seen a verifyable source for this?

:lol: The amount of power needed to make that a reality would be insane for a production Impreza. Perhaps he meant 0-40mph.

agreed. i have not heard anything in changes for 2009, especially something that significant. 2009 will probably see some minor things that have been griped about, but i dont expect much change at all and have not heard anything on changes from SOA just yet.

yeah it seems like insane banter to me, but I figured I would ask. He said something along the lines of the price going up to the 40's too...

yeah it seems like insane banter to me, but I figured I would ask. He said something along the lines of the price going up to the 40's too...

with saying a price increase like that, sounds like he i just trying to add value to the 2008 models if you were considering an STI.

no i was there looking at the GT exclusively, he knew that.

So I went to the dealer yesterday to test-drive the LegacyGT, and while im doing this I start talking to the guy about Imprezas (i drive a WRX atm), and he said that the 09 STI is going to be the fastest 0-60 production car... He said times will be in the mid to low 3's... has anyone heard/seen a verifyable source for this?

He sounds like he's talking out his ass. There's no way they would be able to produce a reliable car with that much power and such a low cost.

so i went to the dealer the other day [i'm 18] for some help with my interior i needed.

i walked inside and every single salesman completely ignored me, when i wanted to test drive the 08 rex just to see how it feels.

the moment my mother showed up to ask them about trading in her car for a forester, they were all over us.

i hate the respect us kids get :lol:

So I went to the dealer yesterday to test-drive the LegacyGT, and while im doing this I start talking to the guy about Imprezas (i drive a WRX atm), and he said that the 09 STI is going to be the fastest 0-60 production car... He said times will be in the mid to low 3's... has anyone heard/seen a verifyable source for this?

Our Rep said no changes to the 2009 Impreza line-up. They may change/add a color, but she said she knew of now major changes to the Impreza line, especially turbo models.

so i went to the dealer the other day [i'm 18] for some help with my interior i needed.

i walked inside and every single salesman completely ignored me, when i wanted to test drive the 08 rex just to see how it feels.

the moment my mother showed up to ask them about trading in her car for a forester, they were all over us.

i hate the respect us kids get :lol:


Just wait till you get old enough to get their attention, and you'll just want them to leave you alone. :lol:

Our Rep said no changes to the 2009 Impreza line-up. They may change/add a color, but she said she knew of now major changes to the Impreza line, especially turbo models.Be sure to remind your Rep what she said about no major changes when the new WRX shows up later this year.

So I went to the dealer yesterday to test-drive the LegacyGT, and while im doing this I start talking to the guy about Imprezas (i drive a WRX atm), and he said that the 09 STI is going to be the fastest 0-60 production car... He said times will be in the mid to low 3's... has anyone heard/seen a verifyable source for this?

:lol: Um, no. The Veryon is under 2.5 seconds and it may not even be the fastest depending on how you define "production car."

Veyron:
0-100 kph (0-62 mph) = 2.5 seconds
0-60 mph = 2.46 seconds

;22588479']Be sure to remind your Rep what she said about no major changes when the new WRX shows up later this year.

I also heard from one of the managers of Subaru here in Chile that a new WRX is coming out on september-october for the Santiago Auto Show. He didn't specify about a sedan or hatch, but he said that it will have sunroof-leader and it might have the 2.5 T 281hp from the australian Liberty Sti. I can't confirm this info. but he told me not to buy one for now and wait for this new version. I'm guessing he's pretty sure about this if he's willing to delay a sale.

Anyone has new info. about this?

Yeah im 20 and get stopped everytime i go to get parts about trading my gc8 in

Our Rep said we had no major changes for the 09 Impreza's. She didnt mention anything about sunroof equipped models, but that may be her just being hush about it.

She said any major changes they do will come for the 2010 models. I hope they offer some sort of sunroof package, but we can all be pretty sure they will not do any real power changes this soon into the bodystyle.

Our Rep said we had no major changes for the 09 Impreza's. She didnt mention anything about sunroof equipped models, but that may be her just being hush about it.

She said any major changes they do will come for the 2010 models. I hope they offer some sort of sunroof package, but we can all be pretty sure they will not do any real power changes this soon into the bodystyle.Your Rep is either absolutely clueless or she's flat-out lying to you. The person from Chile should heed his dealer's advice: Don't buy a WRX before the 2009 models are announced.

I wont comment on our rep. SOA dealer site doesnt have any 09 Impreza info yet and I have people wanting info, but no codes, colors, or packages are official yet. damn then.

ps. I love my 08 WRX more than any of my prev Subaru models. - 03 wrx, 05 wrx, 05 lgt limited.

Ah, I'm looking at buying a WRX now.

To listen or not to listen to rumors.

I dont think you will be disappointed with the 08 or 09. You can always wait until they officially announce the 09 stuff and if you dont really need any changes they offer, you can always go for a leftover 08 that will have some incentive money on them (currently $1000 dealer cash) and get a good deal on a 2008.

Ah, I'm looking at buying a WRX now.

To listen or not to listen to rumors.Can you can wait until July 30 ...?

;22884404']Can you can wait until July 30 ...?

Well I could be driving a WRX by then so it will be hard to wait ;)

;22884404']Can you can wait until July 30th...?

Definitely takes the sting out of my (Forester) wait. :devil:

;22884404']Can you can wait until July 30 ...?

I heard orders for the 2009 WRX can be placed in a couple weeks and will arrive at dealerships about 8 weeks later.

Hopefully Subaru will firm up the suspension a bit on the WRX, as well as add some top-end power...

I heard orders for the 2009 WRX can be placed in a couple weeks and will arrive at dealerships about 8 weeks later.

Hopefully Subaru will firm up the suspension a bit on the WRX, as well as add some top-end power...


WRX's have never had top end power, nor any factory US spec Subaru turbo vehicle that I can remember. I know my 2003 and 2005 WRXs didnt nor did my 05 LGT.

In ever sold order I have ever done on a Forester or Impreza, it has been closer to 12 weeks from order to actual delivery of the vehicle.

My dealership told me there were a bunch of spy pics of the new "2011" Legacy out on the web (and then proceeded to show me a bunch of photochops). This was the sales manager.

I had to correct him that it was going to be a 2010 Legacy, not 2011, and those were *not* spy shots, but artists renderings. He did say that he saw pictures of one in a dealer meeting, and that he thought some of the internet pictures were pretty accurate. Unfortunately, the one he then showed me as being "accurate" was an old photochop with the '05-07 grille and the Japanese Spec.B front bumper. The side had a swoopy character line, but it was clear the original picture was of an '05-07 Legacy GT.

I don't think they'll be going back to that.


Here's the pic he showed me:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_XEEIzU0UA1M/SE1KmPFgcjI/AAAAAAAAG-k/JXpSJAIQlXc/s400/legacy.jpg

I wont comment on our rep. SOA dealer site doesnt have any 09 Impreza info yet and I have people wanting info, but no codes, colors, or packages are official yet. damn then.

ps. I love my 08 WRX more than any of my prev Subaru models. - 03 wrx, 05 wrx, 05 lgt limited.


Grayson, just curious about your above statement since you obviously have a ton of experience w/ subarus. I have an 04 wrx wagon and father has a 2007 outback. Why do you like the 08 more than 05 lgt, i was considering getting rid of wrx and into either a new wrx or lgt or obxt...any comments appreciated.

The LGT was a nice car, but I missed the feel of the WRX. The LGT just drove like a bigger car. Sure, it had great features (leather, sunroof, power seats, etc), but it just wasn't me. The new Impreza has more interior volume than a legacy, is a few grand less (even though it has less equipment), but for me, is more fun to drive.

The LGT isnt a bad car, but it just depends on what you prefer. With having an outback, you may prefer the LGT over the WRX.

I think LGT insurance was a little less than the WRX at the time. My 08 WRX is less than my 03 WRX was on insurance though. I think I pay about $100 less every 6 months for my 08 WRX than I did my 03.

***never mind***

Is it true that instead of buying a wrx sti is cheaper if you just do the work yourself buying the parts, or is it just better to fork out the extra couple thousand to get the upgrades? Probably the most lame post but i'll get all this someday.

Future thanks

Is it true that instead of buying a wrx sti is cheaper if you just do the work yourself buying the parts, or is it just better to fork out the extra couple thousand to get the upgrades? Probably the most lame post but i'll get all this someday.

Future thanks
It depends on what you want. If you just want similar handling and power, sure, it's probably cheaper. It won't get you a 6-speed, the DCCD, SI-Drive, or all the LSDs (well, it might get you the LSDs).