This is info I got from a local dealer here in Central PA. (In writing)

In Year 2002:
MY03-Forester is all new-larger model
MY03-Brat "STX" Truck Model
Fall 2003 Legacy/Outback Face lift

In Year 2003:
MY04-Impreza STI Model - 270HP:eek:
MY04-Forester Turbo

In Year 2004:
MY05-Legacy GT gets Turbo :D

In Year 2005:
MY06-All new Impreza Body
MY06-Multi-sport SUV with GM Joint Venture
*GM owns 20% of Fuji :confused:

No prices were given, but the salesman assured me that this was all true and that it was info that salespeople had gotten from SOA in a meeting.

So, start saving the cashish!

there's only one thing the dealer can say they know for sure... FHI is part owned by GM.

As for the other stuf...ugh, don't believe it. It's been proven many times over that the dealerships don't know anything about the future of these cars.

But I'll tell ya, it would be nice to finally get all the turbo models here. :)

My dealer says the Brat and the STi will be hear within the year ...they even are taking orders on the WRX STi models

Originally posted by Oquipah
This is info I got from a local dealer here in Central PA. (In writing)
In Year 2004:
MY05-Legacy GT gets Turbo :D

No prices were given, but the salesman assured me that this was all true and that it was info that salespeople had gotten from SOA in a meeting.

So, start saving the cashish!

Well, no need for the turbo kit... unless the 2003 redesign is uglier than the current GT... and if it looks anything like the 2002 B4s... it aint ugly.

Mike2000GT

EDIT... wait a minute... Is this the dealer just north of Lancaster... on Manheim pike? Those guys are a little shady... Of couse a dealer that sells, what... Mercedes or Jags, in the same showroom... I think their priorities were a little off.

I'm gonna wait to hear this from elsewere as well.

*GM owns 20% of Fuji

actually they owne 25% now they bought out the 5% that isuzu owned

edit - or was it nissan either way 25%

EDIT... wait a minute... Is this the dealer just north of Lancaster... on Manheim pike? Those guys are a little shady... Of couse a dealer that sells, what... Mercedes or Jags, in the same showroom... I think their priorities were a little off.

Actually yes it is "that" dealer. (it's Mercedes and Mitsubishi) Are they shady? I've really only dealt with their service dept. and gotten great service from them.

Hmmm, I hate stealerships! :mad:

Can anyone else confirm the Future model info?

Dealers don't know jack unless they have some other contact within the engineering organization. I laugh when dealers tell me false information about cars i've seen or worked on in development. Anything to generate sales traffic.

GM bought Nissan's share of FHI evidentally. We already own 49 of isuzu so if it was isuzu we'd already own half of that 5%.

Ryan

While I havent dealt with the service dept there, I have dealt with the sales reps. Really really typical business practice (once they decide to talk to you again... after you say your not buying a mercedes...)... I make an offer... they make counter offer... I say no, they say... lemme talk to my manager... then they say well how about this... blah blah blah...

I was looking at buying an RS from them, but it turned out they wanted the same price for a demo with 3K on it (:eek: ) than the Bel Air, MD dealership wanted for a brand new one. 3K is not new..... :rolleyes: and a demo... yeah. right.

Oh... and it took em a week to get a replacement RE92 when I blew a tire from a pothole. Car had ~1K on it. 135$ out the window. :mad:

Hope your dealings with them are better than mine.

Mike2000GT
(is only shopping at Bel Air Subaru, Bel Air, Md... see Peg Emge)

Yeah I've dealt with similar dealers (not Subaru). I hate the "Let me go talk to my manager..." That's about the time I get up and start to walk out the door. I wish my friend still worked at the Suby dealer near Philly. But...well my GF is looking for a new/used Outback Sedan so I test the Lancaster dealer for bs and keep your story in mind.

Although I will still use their service dept.

Thanks,

i don't believe 95% of the salepeople's words......

My local dealer may not know what he is talking about, but this is what he said he has heard from different reps. And, I was in the dealership drooling over a 2005 STi they had. So, he obviously was not saying it if he really wanted me to buy this STi they have had on the lot for 3 to 4 months now.

Dealers, by and large, are less informed than the average internet user.

i had a dealer once say STi is never coming....that was in like...02 o 03... idiot

i hear it will have all wheel drive

i had a dealer once say STi is never coming....that was in like...02 o 03... idiot

That's this guy's point...he was an interested prospect looking at an STi at the dealership and the dealership told him that better things were coming. Your dealer was obviously trying to get you to buy right then.

Jim

It's supposed to come with autoglass. Completely enclosing the occupants from the outside elements.

I hear it will have four wheels, five if you count the Steering wheel.

my dealer said it had a porche engine and the rest of the car is going to made by daewoo, and the overall weight will be 1800 lbs :lol: :lol: :lol:

I hear it will have four wheels, five if you count the Steering wheel.

So ... you're saying it will have runflats and no spare? :confused:

Did the dealer tell you how Subaru is planning on achieving that number? Let me guess.. H6 turbo with forged internals?

I think a good rule of thumb is to be mighty suspicious when you hear that kind of way-too-good-to-be-true wishful thinkings.

And let's just say they actually came out with 400HP. and they're gonna charge only 32k for a 400HP AWD sports car? right... So we'll have an Impreza that'll cost >40k. That'll sell. :rolleyes:

Maybe he was thinking of the CA edition STI in the SubieSport mag. It said 425hp....probably $$$$$ though

Maybe he was talking about the 425hp ESX STi from another thread in this forum ... or else ESX is only bumping the hp on theirs up 25 from the stock upcoming STi. ;)

dammit! too slow...

That would be great! That would mean that my '04 stock STi would move down from AS to BS, because there is now way they would put a 400hp STi against a 500hp Z06 Vette in SS.

There is a guy named Mike Shields that in 2001 told me there is no way the STi is EVER coming to the US. Is he still in business?

400hp is unlikely, but 350hp is possible. My feeling is more like 325-345.

The GM at a local dealer whom I am friends with stated that the 06 STI would indeed have 400hp and a new body style. He has always been on target the last 4 years when it comes to inside info, so I trust the source. I don't personally think Subaru will do this on the 2.5, maybe a turbo 6 cyl? Hmmmmm ;)

There is a guy named Mike Shields that in 2001 told me there is no way the STi is EVER coming to the US. Is he still in business?



I think he is. His web page is still up, you gotta pay for server time somehow.

There is a guy named Mike Shields that in 2001 told me there is no way the STi is EVER coming to the US. Is he still in business?

Well iirc he said the 2.0L STi would not, and that maybe a 2.2L will be reborn or a new 2.5L motor.

So I would say he was right. :lol:

well if general manager said it, it must be true...

Honestly, dealerships are retards, I go there and laugh when they try to tell me about cars they know nothing about. then i educate them about them:)

They are testing a H6 turbo drivetrain but i doubt they will release it next year.

Ben

Dealers, by and large, are less informed than the average internet user.

Amen......but having said that just two years ago we heard that there was no way the STi would have a 2.5 motor (with 300/300 no less). There tends to be a lot of rumors and some of them actually come true so we can't discount everything. My personal belief is that Subaru is going to knock one out of the park with the next STi and 350-400 hp is a possibility. Hopefully they can keep the price reasonable.

does it come with those uh things on the front..the um....light thingys. Also do you guys think it will compete with the new civic hatch.

Oh one more thing, am i gonna be able to get and e-brake on it.

be interesting to see how right this dealer is.

98% of the time when i walk into one, i know more than anyone there. including some techs.

i cant wait to see this new car but i hope it's four cylinder.

I heard we were getting the WRX!

does it come with those uh things on the front..the um....light thingys. Also do you guys think it will compete with the new civic hatch.

Oh one more thing, am i gonna be able to get and e-brake on it.

:lol: :huh:

well my dealer is smArter than all yours guyses... cause mine saids that it will have wings and be able to fly with only 98psi on a vf39 with a safe toon. 0-60 in just under -2.3 secs. i thought that was pritty imprezive and i am now on the waiting lizt. yeeeeaaaaaaa!!!


chris

p.s. the people who start these threads make me sick... i don't care if you're a noob, there's a thing called common sense... use it...

pretty simple
227HP - ULEV
300HP - LEV
400HP - never gonna pass US emmissions

not in a 4 cyl trubo
subaru had to redesignate the outback as a truck to stay with in their emmisions standards as it is

I think they should try a 6cyl turbo, that would be scary. It would just equate to larger car payments that I would be happy to make, if it is indeed 400hp.

So ... you're saying it will have runflats and no spare? :confused:


No spare wheel, just a tire.

I wonder if I can set up a filter that won't display any thread with a title starting with "Dealer Says..."

:p

pretty simple
227HP - ULEV
300HP - LEV
400HP - never gonna pass US emmissions

not in a 4 cyl trubo
subaru had to redesignate the outback as a truck to stay with in their emmisions standards as it is

Wrong! For example. The new ESX STi will sport 425hp be 50 state legal and still have the subaru factory warranty.

subaru had to redesignate the outback as a truck to stay with in their emmisions standards as it is

Not true; the Outback passes all car emissions etc. standards.; it is only a "truck" because of some technicalities of ground clearance etc.

subaru had to redesignate the outback as a truck to stay with in their emmisions standards as it is

then explain the legacy gt. So many people on this board spew talk out of their butts and act like they are experts. :rolleyes:

they have the 400hp fq400 Evo in England

they have the 400hp fq400 Evo in England

It's also not a very drivable vehicle.

Can we say turbo LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG.

It's fine for a track car, but as a daily driver the lower powered FQ versions are much better. Top Gear reported that they would take the FQ340 any day of the week over the FQ400 because it was just less of a chore to drive.

I would rather have a new STi coupe with 300 hp/lbs tq than a 400hp sedan.

i REALLY doubt whether the Impreza/Forester will EVER have a H6.. they gotta differentiate bw their cars someway right? if you want an H6 get and Outback.. the sizes of all Subarus are too close right now.. they gotta at least differentiate by engines IMO

agreed; I can see the WRX getting the 250 hp 2.5t but not the H6

If there was a 400 hp STi the price would be way to high and it would lose its image of an affordable sports car. And with that much power insurance would be waaaaay too high for me to even consider getting one.

Dealers are complete tards. Before I bought my 05 STI, I was looking at Evo's and went to a Mitsu dealer and asked if they had heard of the MR. They looked at me like I was on drugs and had never heard of it. A month later after I buy my STI, out comes the EVO MR. Dealers know nothing!

Legacy or even Outback STi that might be cool.

Although I might rather see a Monster Outback.

Say 12" clearance on a H6 Sedan. Air suspension and adjustable by 4 inches. 8.4 to 12.4 ?

i guess no one really paid attention, they are testing a turbo H6 drivetrain....in a legacy, but thats not to say its going to actually be in a legacy. I doubt they would put it in an impreza, it could possibly be the H6TT drivetrain rumored to be for the B11S.

it should be noted that i dont actually know its for sure turbo, but using some common sense and logic, current 3.0 liter outputs 250, this is putting out 375 supposedly with same displacement, so i am assuming forced induction:)

Ben

I dont think the WRX is a ULEV. in fact, I dont think any turbo models are. About 400hp, well, i mean I highly doubt the new Sti is going to be 400hp. The Evo VIII-FQ400 has 400 hp, and is INCREDIBLE. But then again its very pricy. I could, however, believe that subaru might make another version of the STi, like a more pricey and more displacement one, and THAT might have 400hp.

400 HP and powered by the sun... :D

i guess no one really paid attention, they are testing a turbo H6 drivetrain....in a legacyMaybe because that's a rumor which, as far as I can tell, you've just invented.

Dealers are complete tards. Before I bought my 05 STI, I was looking at Evo's and went to a Mitsu dealer and asked if they had heard of the MR. They looked at me like I was on drugs and had never heard of it. A month later after I buy my STI, out comes the EVO MR. Dealers know nothing!

It really matters what dealer you go to. I remember when i was shopping for a new car, the mitsudealer had three 2003 evos on their lot for some time. After a few conversations with the salesman the guy said within 4 or 5 months they are releasing a MR edition with a 6speed and slightly more HP. When we went to the subaru dealership we asked for a test drive in a STI. I asked the salesman in the back of the car, whats this dccd setting thing and how does it work. "I don't know but just leave it on automatic". The mitsu guy was really nice, he admitted that the stock clutch sucks and gave us info on the upcomming MR.

']Maybe because that's a rumor which, as far as I can tell, you've just invented.

Ya just gotta love rumors......... :D

Dealers are complete tards.

Truer words were never spoken.....

Wrong! For example. The new ESX STi will sport 425hp be 50 state legal and still have the subaru factory warranty.

its not being sold by SOA/subaru/FHI

Not true; the Outback passes all car emissions etc. standards.; it is only a "truck" because of some technicalities of ground clearance etc.

right but trucks has a lower standard than cars thus helping subaru meet their quota of clean cars

then explain the legacy gt. So many people on this board spew talk out of their butts and act like they are experts. :rolleyes:

outback and legacy are totaly differnt cars as far as the ntsb is concerned

So many people on this board spew talk out of their butts and act like they are experts. :rolleyes:
i couldn't agree more!- dam noobs

they have the 400hp fq400 Evo in England

ha .. and your point is

I dont think the WRX is a ULEV. in fact, I dont think any turbo models are.

the wrx is ULEV .. uppipe cat

an h6 would be too much weight up front. and would traslate to no success in racing.

just look at how bad the rs6 is doing in speed gt.

i can see 400 hp as a reasonable goal. and i doubt the would raise the price more than ten thousand dollars, if they raised it that much though the interior better be nicer. imo.

i just wat to be able to beat the pants off any evo whne i get the new sti. well if i do. it could be dissapointment to me, we jsut dont know yet.

so shut up all you, and send an e-mail to soa asking to be let into the group of people deciding on the official design. then we could get somthing done

']Maybe because that's a rumor which, as far as I can tell, you've just invented.
i could have made it up you are right, im lame enough to do that just to try and be cool.

The reason you are skeptical is because you couldn't find a damn patent supporting it:lol:

actually i know someone in canada who saw these cars and rode in one. and i guess if he is lying, which there is no reason he would and he does know the right people to make this possible, then the joke is on me.

its good to keep constant skepticism Jon, good for you.

Ben

I talked to guy to the dealer near me today and I got the most realistic answer yet. It's going to be a redesigned STi, with same engine and power. He also said the forester STi was coming as well.

I also viewed the B9 today. Bottom line, interior isn't bad, it's more ergonomic than it looks. Placing lights above that grill was the worst idea, then the bulbous back was the second worst. The underpowered engine was the third.

Sorry, back on topic.....

only 400HP?

My dealer said it would have infinity HP!

and lazers for eyes!

Nah, sounds to me like he's talking about the ESX STi, which is a joint project between Easy Street Motorsports and SPT. Only 40 of them however, and I doubt it's 06. But hey, maybe he's just pulling it out of his arse like any other sales man

forrester STi H6 turbo

*cough*

Makes sence. Not for racing, so weight wont matter as much. Extra power will entice some folks due to towing increase. Plus it's a truck, so there's the emissions. (this is just random guessing though).

Plus the dealer would hear STi and think Impreza. and then tell you "Yep, 400hp STi".

Besides, if the engine code starts with 'ej'... well... :devil:

outback and legacy are totaly differnt cars as far as the ntsb is concerned

Yes, but their drivetrains are identical along with the way their emissions systems are set up. Mechnically they're the same cars. I think the point he was getting at was if the Outback was declared a truck because of its emmissions problems, then the Legacy/GT would be having problems too, which it isn't.

its not because of how dirty the oxt is, but how clean it is
-the outback is cleaner than it has to be

right but trucks has a lower standard than cars thus helping subaru meet their quota of clean cars



:confused: Subaru would meet emissions standards even if all their vehicles were cars (not surprisingly since their "trucks" use the same engines etc.). This whole idea that the Outback was classifed as a truck so Subaru could pollute more seems to have been made up by some eco-loonies. Perhaps you are thinging of the CAFE (fule-economy) standards but even there Subaru does not have a problem.

only 400HP?

My dealer said it would have infinity HP!

and lazers for eyes!

and then suddenly, the thread became worthwhile.... :lol:

i think rumors like this is from ppl who really like subaru and think that the evo FQ series is making them look bad. other ppl (evo fans) r telling these subaru fans that they have more hp and it is the fastest thing on wheels. now under these pressures, rumors or subaru retaliation and such spawned 400 hp STi's for 06.

:confused: Subaru would meet emissions standards even if all their vehicles were cars (not surprisingly since their "trucks" use the same engines etc.). This whole idea that the Outback was classifed as a truck so Subaru could pollute more seems to have been made up by some eco-loonies. Perhaps you are thinging of the CAFE (fule-economy) standards but even there Subaru does not have a problem.

I read a few brief articles on this subject. What I took from it was... Subaru's avg. mpg for the whole line-up is horrible, in order for them to keep all these cars/drivetrains without developing a gas friendly eco-car would be to throw the outback in the "truck" category. For example GMC's avg mpg, I'm sure is horrible, but they have all trucks, so its basically excused. That is what I got out of the situation, I could have easily mis-read.

All I know is that if the STi came w/ 400 hp @ $35k or less, it would get me past the racer/rally wing and make me pull the trigger. I've been waiting for an announcement on an STi Legacy for a while and I believe this rumor more than the possibilities of the Legacy (B7?) variant.

Jim

All I know is that if the STi came w/ 400 hp @ $35k or less, it would get me past the racer/rally wing and make me pull the trigger. I've been waiting for an announcement on an STi Legacy for a while and I believe this rumor more than the possibilities of the Legacy (B7?) variant.

Jim

That leaves $3k for Subaru to develope a 400HP powertrain, a drivetrain strong enough to be warrantied, and emmission equipment to make it legal in 50 states.

All I know is that if the STi came w/ 400 hp @ $35k or less, it would get me past the racer/rally wing and make me pull the trigger. I've been waiting for an announcement on an STi Legacy for a while and I believe this rumor more than the possibilities of the Legacy (B7?) variant.

Jim

If the wing is the only thing holding you back, thats a little silly. You'd have no trouble finding someone to do a trunk swap with and get a wingless STi. I'm swapping my wingless trunk with a local STi owner this coming weekend.

If the wing is the only thing holding you back, thats a little silly. You'd have no trouble finding someone to do a trunk swap with and get a wingless STi. I'm swapping my wingless trunk with a local STi owner this coming weekend.


My point was more that I was waiting on the Legacy, but yes, I get your point. As to the $2-3k price difference, I guess I could see MSRP at around $37-39, and maybe wait a year or two and hope for something more like $35-36k. Wishful thinking maybe.

Jim

edit: Fitsmall.com has STi's for $31,083 right now, so there's a couple thousand more for drivetrain development. :)

i hear it will have all wheel drive


The spare too! My dealer says the Japanese are geniuses at figuring this kind of stuff out.

:lol:

speaker

Did the original poster even specify that his insider was talking about the Impreza, or did everyone just assume so?

Did the original poster even specify that his insider was talking about the Impreza, or did everyone just assume so?

Interesting point...

I think that if there were to be a 400hp Impreza, there would be no room for a STi Legacy. What would that come with?? 450hp?? Too many people wanting a Legacy STi for Subaru to not take a look at this.
I can see perhaps a 325 - 340hp Impreza STi, with perhaps a 350 - 360hp Legacy STi. There has to be model differentiation.
Even if there will never be a Legacy STi in the US, I think a jump of 33% in power is optomistic. What will it come with in 2010... 532hp??

Yeah, look at past history, mabye 1-2HP per year increases, not 100hp. Granted, over there they had the gentlemans agreement (which in recent years has been completely ignored) and that kept HP down, but still, i'm not expecting anything huge.

I'm still voting for a 400hp Forrester STi w/ a H6

I heard the 2006 will be a hybrid and run off of rainbows and day dreams.

LOL

I heard the 2006 will be a hybrid and run off of rainbows and day dreams.

LOL

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I just hope it has gravy in the trunk and biscuit wheels

I think subaru is having enough trouble finding buyers who like the STi's youthful style, yet still have enough funds or age to afford the insurance.. adding on another 400hp isn't going to help.

This is all fine and dandy... but will the Trunkmonkey that comes with it now require something better than a Premium Lager? It's expensive enough as it is right now for him... and more frequent visits to the Packy too...

What would it run on? Rum?

This is all fine and dandy... but will the Trunkmonkey that comes with it now require something better than a Premium Lager? It's expensive enough as it is right now for him... and more frequent visits to the Packy too...

What would it run on? Rum?
What? you mean I have to feed my trunkmonkey??!!!! (runs out to car).

It really matters what dealer you go to. I remember when i was shopping for a new car, the mitsudealer had three 2003 evos on their lot for some time. After a few conversations with the salesman the guy said within 4 or 5 months they are releasing a MR edition with a 6speed and slightly more HP. When we went to the subaru dealership we asked for a test drive in a STI. I asked the salesman in the back of the car, whats this dccd setting thing and how does it work. "I don't know but just leave it on automatic". The mitsu guy was really nice, he admitted that the stock clutch sucks and gave us info on the upcomming MR.


You guys are lucky. At least your dealers will actually let you test drive an STI. I went to one here and they wouldn't let me drive one. I wanted to see how my modifed wrx would compare to a stock sti and see if it was worth going farther into debt. Needless to say I've driven one of my customers' modifed STI....whoohoo!!!

Word on the NOVA streets is the STI will have a twin turbo H6 with leather, a sunroof, AWD with 8 wheels, a cup holder big enough to hold a tall boy Steel Reserve and a tow hick to accomodate the red necks that want to compete in rig towing. That is what my dealer said when I asked for a super fast, pig towing 4 door sedan...

I can have dreams can't I :p

What about the RA spec C? I'm guessing that this is what the dealer was talking about.

I can't believe no one else brought this up...

I am speculating like everyone else, but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS, etc. (a well equiped WRX can easily get into the upper 20's which is about what an EVO RS lists for). If the WRX has the 250hp Legacy engine, I think it would require Subaru to push the STI's power up some to justify the price difference between the STI and the WRX. I don't know if this means 400hp but I could definitly see 350hp or so. The above is purely wishfull thinking, but I think required to continue selling the WRX for close to $30k and the STI for almost $35K. Also keep in mind that much has changed since the WRX came out in '01. We now have EVO's, MazdaSpeed 6's, Altima's with 255hp, etc. It seems that all cars are getting much faster and the WRX is not the standout it once was.

but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS


The WRX and Evo RS are not competitors.

First off, the RS is being made in very limited quantities (less than 1,000 a year).

Second, it's a complete stripper. It's built to be the basis of a rally car build up. The WRX is a daily driver with creature comforts.

That said, I do think the WRX is going to get the Legacy GT's drivetrain. Though, I'm 50/50 on whether it will recieve the same state of tune. I'm expecting slightly less than the 250/250 numbers from the GT, at least on paper.

My call for the new impreza line.

Impreza RS - further tweaks will give us about 175hp on the NA 2.5L

Impreza WRX - about 235hp/240lb-ft toruqe on paper (in reality, it will basically be the same as the Legacy GT)

Impreza WRX STi - 320hp/310 lb-ft torque.

Wrong! For example. The new ESX STi will sport 425hp be 50 state legal and still have the subaru factory warranty.

It doesn't have a Subaru warranty. It has one through ESX, big difference.

Is the STI will have 500awhp, 300tq. Just relaying what I heard...



Seriously this rumors stuff is getting ridiculous. People basing opinions on crappy photochops and stupid salesman at the dealerships. Just wait till something is getting leaked, until then let's just drewl, bitch, and compare other brands.

Is the STI will have 500awhp, 300tq. Just relaying what I heard...



Seriously this rumors stuff is getting ridiculous. People basing opinions on crappy photochops and stupid salesman at the dealerships. Just wait till something is getting leaked, until then let's just drewl, bitch, and compare other brands.

Now did this comment warrant a new thread? :confused:

Bob

Second that motion. :mad:

Your honor, permission to badger the witness :D

Its the darn rumors forum... chill out. We don't want to quell rumors because some of them are true and can be informational.... not all of them of course, but then if they all were true they wouldn't be called rumors.

Now did this comment warrant a new thread? :confused:

Bob

Again, we go back to this... his comment was not a "rumor" it was a "comment".

I could see what bull3964 said actually happening. SoA needs to step up, and give the WRX a little more power than it currently has to stay competitive with the new cars that are out now.

I think subaru is having enough trouble finding buyers who like the STi's youthful style, yet still have enough funds or age to afford the insurance.. adding on another 400hp isn't going to help.

If only SOA had ordered up 500+ less STi sedans each year, and made 500+ STi wagons... :furious: :(

it's just some of these rumors, well let's be real here, lies are being discussed like they have any real basis to them. We all know salesmen are idiots so bother posting what you heard from them. If I discussed or believed half of what a salesman told me, there wouldn't an STI, the 2004 STI is worth way more than sticker close to 50k, and WRXs get all the babes at the meets. Give me a break

It's at least reasonable to assume that Subaru will do something to keep interest in the car this year. The market it's targeted at demands constant evolution, and they are sure to oblige. My guess would just be improved handling and perhaps a steering angle sensor for the awd system. But there will be something, and there will be at least small changes visually to keep the versions differentiated. Look at your history.

I don't think anybody was denying that the STi would evolve.. version 9 is just around the corner, I'm sure.. but a 100hp leap is rediculous. We got the 2.5L STi in the US because 120hp/L is a safe enough tune for emissions. The Evo is already pushing the emissions boundry with 140hp/L.. 400hp would be 160hp/L. The NOX emissions from a 160hp/L turbocharged engine would be too much, I'm sure.

If only SOA had ordered up 500+ less STi sedans each year, and made 500+ STi wagons... :furious: :(
so right. :(

i hear it will have all wheel drive
:lol: :lol:

This is a Rumor message board, so if some people here don't want to read rumors and can't help but flame other members about what they are hearing from inside sources, do us a favor and don't post here on the news and RUMORS board anymore.
I would also recomend that if you are going to go on record saying that another member's rumor is FOS, then put your own prediction or "rumor" on record here so that we can really find out who is FOS when the new models come out. This statement is not directed at the majority of very kind members we have here, but more to the very few vocal minority jerks that just can't imagine that the 06 STI will have more horsepower and new looks. I really enjoy reading and talking to most of the good members here, but a few of you are just in total denial about any changes in the WRX/STI for 06 and are going to look pretty silly in a few months when the new models come out. My .02

I think it is more a point of tiring of hearing the same rumors recirculated every couple of weeks rather than a lack of interest in new information.

I would rather see a 320 BHP STi Convertible.

With a semi-hardtop, like the Kompressor. 4 doors rear suicide (maybe even use coupe doors and Saturn like Mazda 8 like suicide doors) and keep the 05 lights but maybe add the shield grill thingy, or bring back a Bugeye option perhaps with the individual light components instead of the full glass.

Hey we already have frameless windows, why not capitalize on them.

This way you can forget about the Mitsu evo compairson which Subaru always barely loses, and instead show up the clone like Mazda and all the new convertibles that everyone else is introducing.

Wouldn't a convertible wagon end up looking like a convertible Baja? And if you don't want suicide rear doors have a roll bar in the middle.

...adding on another 400hp isn't going to help.
Crikey! A 700hp STi!!? Man, I should've waited! :mad:

I would also recomend that if you are going to go on record saying that another member's rumor is FOS, then put your own prediction or "rumor" on record here so that we can really find out who is FOS when the new models come out.
OH yeah.. great idea. Lets make this forum an official pissing contest. :rolleyes:

Dealers don't know anything, and sales people don't know anything about cars, they are dumber than rocks........

Unless they keep it in a USDM version only. The STI will not be made over 300hp due to Japanese regulation of cars not exceeding 300hp.Then again...I'm not sure how FHI would able to make 400hp with that law over there unless an exception is mad efor exports over there.

Unless they keep it in a USDM version only. The STI will not be made over 300hp due to Japanese regulation of cars not exceeding 300hp.Then again...I'm not sure how FHI would able to make 400hp with that law over there unless an exception is mad efor exports over there.

There's never been a regulation, it was a gentleman's agreement and even that has been broken now.

I heard you'll be able to get it in Blue with Gold rims :p

There's never been a regulation, it was a gentleman's agreement and even that has been broken now.


Spec C = 320hp.......

There's never been a regulation, it was a gentleman's agreement and even that has been broken now.

No. It was neither. It had to do with taxation on the vehicles, and in essence, anything over 276 ended up being radically more expensive.

There are a few examples of vehicles made and sold in Japan with more HP than this.

OH yeah.. great idea. Lets make this forum an official pissing contest. :rolleyes:

It already is, unfortunately. Well, at least that's the case now with OT. It's spreading here. Although, I don't think this speculation is much worse than any I remember seeing before the Impreza STi arrived. There was more bull**** than the bulls here could possible produce then, and that's the case now. Just history repeating, right?

Nonetheless, the Japanese regulation clearly has nothing to do with the Impreza STi that came out here, as it came in over the 276 HP mark.

I still wonder if the dealer in question was talking about an Impreza. Just because he's speaking in the context of the Impreza does not in any way mean that he's actually go information on that car. The '06 Legacy STi, should one arrive, could very well put up the number that the thread title mentions.

Personally, I look forward to Rally Mexico and the Geneva show, when hopefully the new WRX shows its face for better or worse. I wonder, further, if a redesigned Impreza family will see a STi version right off the bat. Typically, we see the initial intro and a year later the STi version, is that correct?

Did the dealer tell you how Subaru is planning on achieving that number? Let me guess.. H6 turbo with forged internals?

??? You can do 400 hp on the current engine without cause for concern. That's only probably 315 - 330 whp or so. Easily done without requiring any new internals.

That leaves $3k for Subaru to develope a 400HP powertrain, a drivetrain strong enough to be warrantied, and emmission equipment to make it legal in 50 states.

For those not paying attention, the current drivetrain is plenty strong for 400 hp. I don't understand all the awe over 400 crank hp. This car can handle it now.

the agreement was not 300hp. it was 280ps at the flywheel. this translated to 276hp. Nissan was the one to break this agreement, in 1989 with the 300zx turbo.... it was 300hp. a few years later mitsu did it with the 3000GT (gto). then nissan did it again, with the 2002 Skyline GTR Nur (they called it 280ps, but it was really 368WHP, they lied, and infuriated all the other manufacturers.) now the agreement has been changed to JUST FLAGSHIP CARS... so Honda sets the NSX, Nissan the 350Z, Mazda had the 2002 RX7 @280ps, and Subaru has the STi @280ps, and Mitsu has the EVO @ 280ps.

No. It was neither. It had to do with taxation on the vehicles, and in essence, anything over 276 ended up being radically more expensive.

There are a few examples of vehicles made and sold in Japan with more HP than this.


no he was right, it is an agreement

it was in the late 70's that all the major japanese car makers made an agreement (there was a name for this agreement, forget it now). they wanted to avoid what was happening in the US, making cars over 400hp, but running heavy and thirsty. they agreed that it was more honorable to make cars faster by means of technology, and improvisation. Mazda proposed this agreement after the introduction of the RX7 (very light agile and fast car, yet not very powerfull). Honda, Nissan, and Mazda were the first signers, Mitsu and Suzuki joined later (who cares about suzuki... they probably dont even know how to make a 280ps engine... i mean their name means Sea-Bass!)

For those not paying attention, the current drivetrain is plenty strong for 400 hp. I don't understand all the awe over 400 crank hp. This car can handle it now.

So you just kick up the boost at the factory like you would in your garage, and sell them with warranty? And that will be ok, since you saw people tune it like that and they usually don't break? Sure...

The WRX drivetrain was strong enough for everyone else in the world until they got to this country. The truth is, there is a reason why these car makers are so very conservative in tuning their north american market cars. An average American is just not such a big fan of responsibility. I highly doubt the current 6-spd can achieve the failure rate suitable for this market when mated to a 400HP motor.

now the agreement has been changed to JUST FLAGSHIP CARS... so Honda sets the NSX, Nissan the 350Z, Mazda had the 2002 RX7 @280ps, and Subaru has the STi @280ps, and Mitsu has the EVO @ 280ps.You neglect to mention the big man on campus in Japan, Toyota. I'd say that the Toyota Century is Toyota's flagship car in Japan - since 1967. I'd also say that Toyota rates the Century's V12 engine power higher than 280ps.

i heard so mutch diff. stuff about the 06 sti that im just not going to listen to anyone untill i see subaru saying something about it...

As god awful ugly as it is, who cares if it ever makes it to the dealership or not. :rolleyes:

Actually, the Kanji used to spell Suzuki means "Bell Tree" :lol:

(who cares about suzuki... they probably dont even know how to make a 280ps engine... i mean their name means Sea-Bass!)

This whole post was basically made 3 weeks ago by me.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712657
:rolleyes:
Bryan

This whole post was basically made 3 weeks ago by me.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712657
:rolleyes:
Bryan


this thread was started on january 21st. yours was started on february 6th.

The specs of the forthcoming USDM Evo IX aren't available yet (supposedly these will be revealed at the NY Auto Show in a couple of weeks) but it's power output is rumoured to be around 300 hp & 300 lb/ft torque with the new MIVEC-equipped engine. So, on paper at least, it will match the current STi. I would expect Subaru to up-the-ante with the 2006 STi, but I doubt it will be boasting anywhere near 400 hp....though 330 hp seems like a reasonable power hike in standard trim ??????

this thread was started on january 21st. yours was started on february 6th.
my bad, didn't look at date, just assumed this was old, monkey for you :disco:

The WRX is a more important vehicle to SOA than the STI is, due to the volume of cars sold. The STI, by definition, is supposed to be a limited production, high performance version of the WRX. It's good for publicity and bragging rights, but as a pure moneymaker, the WRX is far more important. The STI will keep pace with whatever Mitsubishi comes out with, and if the cost has to go up considerably, it won't matter THAT much, because they don't need to sell this car in really high numbers. The WRX DOES need to sell in fairly high numbers.
With that in mind, it makes perfect sense to me that SOA would stick the 2.5 engine in the WRX with at least 250hp and 250 ft/lbs (basically the Legacy XT engine). The price of the car would not have to be increased significantly if at all, and it would revitalize WRX sales better than anything else they could do, within reason. I don't think it would cannibalize STI sales much at all, especially if the STI power gets bumped up to 325hp or more. There will always be those who must have the more radical STI version, even if the WRX is not that far behind, performance wise.
Those are my thoughts anyway.

smart man..
my prediction..
slight facelift, same HP..
2007 - all new

i heard so mutch diff. stuff about the 06 sti that im just not going to listen to anyone untill i see subaru saying something about it...

pretty simple
227HP - ULEV
300HP - LEV
400HP - never gonna pass US emmissions

not in a 4 cyl trubo
subaru had to redesignate the outback as a truck to stay with in their emmisions standards as it is

actually, that's not exactly true...the designation was due to CAFE regulations, which has more to do with average mpg. please don't quote me on this(i'm not all knowing), but EPA classification for a passenger car has to average over 24/25mpg...trucks=19... this is only what i've heard from SoA...i do know, as a fact, that the new leg/out's have lower emissions than previous(california, of course is even lower)... there were a couple other considerations, such as ground clearance increase, and option/intention of factory tinted windows(which isn't legal on passenger cars)....

The WRX is a more important vehicle to SOA than the STI is, due to the volume of cars sold. The STI, by definition, is supposed to be a limited production, high performance version of the WRX. It's good for publicity and bragging rights, but as a pure moneymaker, the WRX is far more important. The STI will keep pace with whatever Mitsubishi comes out with, and if the cost has to go up considerably, it won't matter THAT much, because they don't need to sell this car in really high numbers. The WRX DOES need to sell in fairly high numbers.
With that in mind, it makes perfect sense to me that SOA would stick the 2.5 engine in the WRX with at least 250hp and 250 ft/lbs (basically the Legacy XT engine). The price of the car would not have to be increased significantly if at all, and it would revitalize WRX sales better than anything else they could do, within reason. I don't think it would cannibalize STI sales much at all, especially if the STI power gets bumped up to 325hp or more. There will always be those who must have the more radical STI version, even if the WRX is not that far behind, performance wise.
Those are my thoughts anyway.

Plus, there are things like weight, interior, suspension and differential that will be different between the two cars...

I am speculating like everyone else, but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS, etc. (a well equiped WRX can easily get into the upper 20's which is about what an EVO RS lists for). If the WRX has the 250hp Legacy engine, I think it would require Subaru to push the STI's power up some to justify the price difference between the STI and the WRX. I don't know if this means 400hp but I could definitly see 350hp or so. The above is purely wishfull thinking, but I think required to continue selling the WRX for close to $30k and the STI for almost $35K. Also keep in mind that much has changed since the WRX came out in '01. We now have EVO's, MazdaSpeed 6's, Altima's with 255hp, etc. It seems that all cars are getting much faster and the WRX is not the standout it once was.

i've heard 230hp with the new engine for the WRX and FXT. also consider that mitsu is ditching the 3 levels for the EVO9, which is planned to come in MR trim only, with different options and roughly 310ish mules...of course, what does that matter if mitsu is going to close their doors, as studies have shown to be the case within the next few years....

The WRX is a more important vehicle to SOA than the STI is, due to the volume of cars sold. The STI, by definition, is supposed to be a limited production, high performance version of the WRX. It's good for publicity and bragging rights, but as a pure moneymaker, the WRX is far more important. The STI will keep pace with whatever Mitsubishi comes out with, and if the cost has to go up considerably, it won't matter THAT much, because they don't need to sell this car in really high numbers. The WRX DOES need to sell in fairly high numbers.
With that in mind, it makes perfect sense to me that SOA would stick the 2.5 engine in the WRX with at least 250hp and 250 ft/lbs (basically the Legacy XT engine). The price of the car would not have to be increased significantly if at all, and it would revitalize WRX sales better than anything else they could do, within reason. I don't think it would cannibalize STI sales much at all, especially if the STI power gets bumped up to 325hp or more. There will always be those who must have the more radical STI version, even if the WRX is not that far behind, performance wise.
Those are my thoughts anyway.

I'd be happy with the 6 speed, and put in a highway gear for 6th so that I can cruise 75mph at < 2500 rpm, that way I can actually get decent gas mileage without having to go 60mph.

The JDM Evo IX will be available in RS, GT and GS-R versions from March 18th (in Japan, obviously). No one knows what trim levels will be available in the US, or whether it will be equipped with S-AYC etc. However, given the current output of the Evo VIII, it's highly probable that the US IX will meet, or possibly (slightly) exceed the current STi output. It's certainly true that Mitsu Motors are in big financial trouble and it is rumoured that they may pull out of the US entirely or maybe sell their US operations.....I hope not. I think the Evo is a great car and anyone considering purchasing an STi are doing themselves an injustice by not considering the Evo. For me, it's going to be a very difficult decision choosing between the two.

with such little performance difference bet/ the two, i think it comes down to A)What are you going to use it for: track or street... B)reliability in the long run?? concern or not....C)safety....D)styling and comfort......... i hate to compare performance, since they are so dang close, yet very very different in drive feel. just like the 10 year history of both models, the EVO is better for the track, and the STi for a daily...IMO

Has anyone read the article about the S203 in SCC this month? They add fuel to this rumor by stating that SOA might play with the idea of making a 2.5l version of the S203 for the US... And that it would be in the neighborhood of 400hp...

awww man, don't say things like that.

I wish Subaru would be more forthcoming about future plans. There's a fine dividing line between creating some mystique for forthcoming models and pissing the customer off due to lack of info. I would quite happily wait if I knew something like this was definitely in the pipeline. I'd be mighty upset if I dropped $30k+ on an STi or Evo and then this monster turned up (even if it turned out to cost $40k).

Well, my dealer said that Subaru is going to jump from making 6 and 4 cylinder engines to 12 cylinder engines, since it's cheaper to skip a step or two"5cylinder". The car will be an STI, but not have STI labels, instead it will be painted STI red/pink. Oh, it's supposed to be about $40k, but comes with a motorcycle with matching sidecar both worth $20k. So, your getting the STI pink 12 cylinder subaru for $20k. :banana:

finally someone got the correct info:-).....thanks minnesoooooooota

1) the new WRX design is hideous.

2) STi. you think you have issues with getting car jacked in these? wait till there are more limited editions of the STi (S203 & the rumored ESX 425hp STi). Its too bad that almost all the great performing cars have to be designed like "look at me, look at me!"

Subtly is a beautiful thing.

finally someone got the correct info:-).....thanks minnesoooooooota


Sherre thang. Y'all come back now heah!!! Cept yankeees!!

Sherre thang. Y'all come back now heah!!! Cept yankeees!!
hey, don't make us minnesotants out to be hicks.

BTW, i thought it was odd that two rumors, from two seperate dealers, in two totally different states had the same "info" on the upcoming STi's. Makes you wonder.

todd, the helpful rookie who attempted to get me to buy a sti when i was origionally planning on a wrx told me that if I got the sti, I would have an all wheel drive car...

dose any part of that sound weird? It dose to me... idk

(um... cept yankees? Us minnesotants are yankees buddy, glad to be of help)

hey, don't make us minnesotants out to be hicks.

BTW, i thought it was odd that two rumors, from two seperate dealers, in two totally different states had the same "info" on the upcoming STi's. Makes you wonder.

Hicks? I was just speaking "sawthawn."

Subtly is a beautiful thing.
I think you mean 'subtlety', which is a noun. 'subtly' is an adverb.. it's like saying 'swiftly is a beautiful thing' instead of 'swiftness is a beautiful thing'. ;)
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Time to drag this out again:

http://www.bellsouthpwp.net/j/o/jordanad/355hp.jpg

awww man, don't say things like that.

I wish Subaru would be more forthcoming about future plans. There's a fine dividing line between creating some mystique for forthcoming models and pissing the customer off due to lack of info. I would quite happily wait if I knew something like this was definitely in the pipeline. I'd be mighty upset if I dropped $30k+ on an STi or Evo and then this monster turned up (even if it turned out to cost $40k).

I think by looking at past experience, Subaru is very good at keeping a secret (to the point of making people angry) and by suprising everyone with the results/end product. I have said this before......I think 350-400 hp is very believable and I wouldn't be suprised by these numbers. Just look at the cars already putting out those numbers (or soon to be) 300C SRT8, CTS-V, GTO, Mustang Cobra etc....those cars are all capable of sub 5 second 0-60 times. The STi has to (and will) respond IMO.

How about examples of current 4-cylinder production cars with those numbers.

If they can maintain the curb weight at around 3300 lbs, then a bump to 330 hp & 330 lb/ft torque would be well worth having :)

well if general manager said it, it must be true...

Honestly, dealerships are retards, I go there and laugh when they try to tell me about cars they know nothing about. then i educate them about them:)

They are testing a H6 turbo drivetrain but i doubt they will release it next year.

Ben

Yea I agree, when I bought my 04-Sti, I asked the Dealer what size are the speaker ports or holes, whatever you wana call them ;) He then grabed a tap measure opend my car door and tryed to measure it with the door panle on and everthing, My friend and I just started laughin :lol: Thats how smart the dealers are LOL

on another note, I wana 3.7 boxer-6 STI with 480whp-425wtq with a curb weight of 3,000 pounds thats my 06 STi for all yall

Hicks? I was just speaking "sawthawn."
ohh...at least better than that accent they give us in Fargo. "ohh Yah"

I think by looking at past experience, Subaru is very good at keeping a secret (to the point of making people angry) and by suprising everyone with the results/end product. I have said this before......I think 350-400 hp is very believable and I wouldn't be suprised by these numbers. Just look at the cars already putting out those numbers (or soon to be) 300C SRT8, CTS-V, GTO, Mustang Cobra etc....those cars are all capable of sub 5 second 0-60 times. The STi has to (and will) respond IMO.

I'm right with you brother, I've been saying that myself!!!, hopefully we're right! :banana: :D :banana:

I think you mean 'subtlety', which is a noun. 'subtly' is an adverb.. it's like saying 'swiftly is a beautiful thing' instead of 'swiftness is a beautiful thing'. ;)



:lol: yes, thats what I meant. the correct spelling always gets the better part of me.

thanks.

in other words: discrete. (<-- should have just typed that to begin with. :lol: )

GGT

:lol: yes, thats what I meant. the correct spelling always gets the better part of me.

thanks.

in other words: discrete. (<-- should have just typed that to begin with. :lol: )

GGT

Actually, you mean "discreet", not "discrete".

dis·creet
1. Marked by, exercising, or showing prudence and wise self-restraint in speech and behavior; circumspect.
2. Free from ostentation or pretension; modest.

dis·crete
1. Constituting a separate thing. See Synonyms at distinct.
2. Consisting of unconnected distinct parts.
3. Mathematics. Defined for a finite or countable set of values; not continuous.

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:p :p :p

Actually, you mean "discreet", not "discrete".

dis·creet
1. Marked by, exercising, or showing prudence and wise self-restraint in speech and behavior; circumspect.
2. Free from ostentation or pretension; modest.

dis·crete
1. Constituting a separate thing. See Synonyms at distinct.
2. Consisting of unconnected distinct parts.
3. Mathematics. Defined for a finite or countable set of values; not continuous.

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:p :p :p

oh, effin-a, I'm done.

(hey, ma, 5 years of graduate college ain't done me no good!)

man, schooled twice in 1 thread, on grammar no less.

back to the topic.

ugly car, insane amounts of power.....

an h6 would be too much weight up front. and would traslate to no success in racing.

just look at how bad the rs6 is doing in speed gt.



That's really just driver, last year the RS6 was the top car.

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:p :p :p Having taken Discrete Mathematics courses several times.. I never knew that :o I always wondered what was so discreet about it. :o

Forgive me for not giving out my source, but I don't want his phone flogged with questions. But, I'm no one special...i don't actually know this guy, he's just a salesmen who rallies (his partner took over SCCA...or whatever rally organization took over here in the states...he co drives with doug havir (spelling)).

But anyway, he's trust worthy. He told me on 2-7-05 that the next impreza would have a 2.5 liter with 230 hp and 17 inch rims standard...and that ended up to be accurate info. And not that this is that much extra info, but... the 06 wagon is going to be available with the premium package (sunroof, heated seats, and so forth).

That's it. Take it for what it is. Sorry for not giving the source's info.

Later

But anyway, he's trust worthy. He told me on 2-7-05 that the next impreza would have a 2.5 liter with 230 hp and 17 inch rims standard...and that ended up to be accurate info. And not that this is that much extra info, but... the 06 wagon is going to be available with the premium package (sunroof, heated seats, and so forth).

^im thinkin you meant the WRX will come with that stuff standard.. i highly doubt they would drop out the lower half of the model line up including the 2.5rs, Outback sport, etc.. those will probably have the 2.5 with 173hp from the forester

Forgive me for not giving out my source, but I don't want his phone flogged with questions. But, I'm no one special...i don't actually know this guy, he's just a salesmen who rallies (his partner took over SCCA...or whatever rally organization took over here in the states...he co drives with doug havir (spelling)).

But anyway, he's trust worthy. He told me on 2-7-05 that the next impreza would have a 2.5 liter with 230 hp and 17 inch rims standard...and that ended up to be accurate info. And not that this is that much extra info, but... the 06 wagon is going to be available with the premium package (sunroof, heated seats, and so forth).

That's it. Take it for what it is. Sorry for not giving the source's info.

Later

All good info, and let's hope he's correct. :) Keep the info coming as you get it, and thanks.

Bob

All good info, and let's hope he's correct. :) Keep the info coming as you get it, and thanks.

Bob

Ditto.

I'm looking for the equivalent of this:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8750470&postcount=4930

Those nice JDM wheels, a good engine, and maybe an upgrade to LGT brakes. :banana:

Yeah but non of the subaru reps wants to confirm this info yet. I had asked one of them but he said that this are all just rumors.
Hmmm i dont know who to believe.
G

Yeah I have several reps throwing screaming deals on STi my way but swear they have zero info regarding the 06 only that they will be available in roughly 4 months. (Aug./Sept.) who knows maybe nothing will change but the buzz is just too much to resist.

From cars101.com (http://www.cars101.com/subaru/impreza/wrxsti2006.html):

"2006: subject to change and correction.

New front end on all models.

All Impreza models get center armrest, outside temperature guage, air filtration, front seatback net, and front and side airbags.

WRX gets new larger 2.5L with 230hp, 17" alloys. Premium package finally available on wagon and includes leather!

RS models renamed 2.5i (like the Legacy/Outbacks) and the 2.5L horsepower is increased to 173 from 165.

RS Sport package sedan and outback Sport SE wagon model dropped after one year (2005 only) "

The new tidbit is the Outback Sport SE wagon being dropped.

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!! :D :D :D

From cars101.com (http://www.cars101.com/subaru/impreza/wrxsti2006.html):

"2006: subject to change and correction.

New front end on all models.

All Impreza models get center armrest, outside temperature guage, air filtration, front seatback net, and front and side airbags.

WRX gets new larger 2.5L with 230hp, 17" alloys. Premium package finally available on wagon and includes leather!

RS models renamed 2.5i (like the Legacy/Outbacks) and the 2.5L horsepower is increased to 173 from 165.

RS Sport package sedan and outback Sport SE wagon model dropped after one year (2005 only) "

The new tidbit is the Outback Sport SE wagon being dropped.

Joe Spitz is usually pretty good with Subie info. If he says so, I'd say it's pretty likely true.

Bob

From cars101.com (http://www.cars101.com/subaru/impreza/wrxsti2006.html):The new tidbit is the Outback Sport SE wagon being dropped.

Good.
Now they can make an Impreza STi Wagon with more clearance/suspension travel and brakes that will fit rally wheels and call it the new Outback Sport STF ewe! :D ;)

damn I just test drove a G35 coupe last night and loved it... but now I really want to wait for the new impreza to see how that turns out.

Oh well, means more money saved up for down payment. :)

I don't know which one I want either. I'm a big fan of Nissan and their legacy. The G35 or the Sti is a tough decision. That's like comparing drifting to rally racing, which one is more fun :confused: Oh well, I'm also going to wait until the new Sti comes out before I make my final decision...

forget the G35, wait for their Skyline! Rumor is 2007/08 for G35 GT-R

forget the G35, wait for their Skyline! Rumor is 2007/08 for G35 GT-R

Yeah but I'm hearing it'll be around the $60-70k range, sort of like the NSX.

Waaay out of my price range, unless I see some bad-ass promotions/raises in the next 2-3 years.

WRX gets new larger 2.5L with 230hp, 17" alloys. Premium package finally available on wagon and includes leather!
Leather?!
I doubt that.

From cars101.com (http://www.cars101.com/subaru/impreza/wrxsti2006.html):

"2006: subject to change and correction.

New front end on all models.

All Impreza models get center armrest, outside temperature guage, air filtration, front seatback net, and front and side airbags.

WRX gets new larger 2.5L with 230hp, 17" alloys. Premium package finally available on wagon and includes leather!

RS models renamed 2.5i (like the Legacy/Outbacks) and the 2.5L horsepower is increased to 173 from 165.

RS Sport package sedan and outback Sport SE wagon model dropped after one year (2005 only) "

The new tidbit is the Outback Sport SE wagon being dropped.

So zero news regarding the STi then?

Leather?!
I doubt that.

Why? They offer leather on the WRX in other markets, so why not here?

Bob

Why? They offer leather on the WRX in other markets, so why not here?

Bob
Did not know that.
I would LOVE to see a picture of it....have any?

Forgive me for not giving out my source, but I don't want his phone flogged with questions. But, I'm no one special...i don't actually know this guy, he's just a salesmen who rallies (his partner took over SCCA...or whatever rally organization took over here in the states...he co drives with doug havir (spelling)).

But anyway, he's trust worthy. He told me on 2-7-05 that the next impreza would have a 2.5 liter with 230 hp and 17 inch rims standard...and that ended up to be accurate info. And not that this is that much extra info, but... the 06 wagon is going to be available with the premium package (sunroof, heated seats, and so forth).

That's it. Take it for what it is. Sorry for not giving the source's info.

Later

i am little more interested in how STi becomes... more power? new face?

i am little more interested in how STi becomes... more power? new face?


STi will have less power, (263hp) larger wing, (watch out in parking garages) and larger hoodscoop, (will inhale small children and the elderly) 16" wheels, and regular wrx brakes.

the front end will be restyled to resemble a 1948 Tucker.

(will inhale small children and the elderly)

Just like the side engine intakes on this monster:
http://bingweb.binghamton.edu/~asantin1/mur.bmp

Did not know that.
I would LOVE to see a picture of it....have any?


http://www.subaru-global.com/lineup/impreza/wagon/interior/seat.html

http://www.subaru-global.com/lineup/impreza/wagon/interior/seat.html
I want one...now!

i just want 230 hp and around 250 torque in a wagon....wooo, that would make my day, year, years :)

Waiting on those torque numbers...and i feel like it's gonna be a lonnggg wait :(

Forgive me for not giving out my source, but I don't want his phone flogged with questions. But, I'm no one special...i don't actually know this guy, he's just a salesmen who rallies (his partner took over SCCA...or whatever rally organization took over here in the states...he co drives with doug havir (spelling)).

I bought my car from the guy you are referring to. He's knowledgeable.

Good no more fake RS'. Now if we can just send all the 02-05 RS' to the junkyard.

There is going to be a Forester STi this summer.

Source DCH Wappingers Subaru.

All the sales people are pretty sure that this is fact not fiction.

That will be awesome if true! I wish I could buy 1 of each of all the STi models as they come out :) My wife has the Forrester and I like it, I wonder what a 300hp version is like. I guess I could toss the groceries around nicely in one of those!

It's about to get real warm in here.

um...awesome

thats interesting,BUT,I have model numbers for the 2006 Forester and according to these there is no such thing as a 2006 Forester STi..........

:furious:

This "dealer told me" crap is out of hand!!!

:furious:

thats interesting,BUT,I have model numbers for the 2006 Forester and according to these there is no such thing as a 2006 Forester STi..........

haha! LMAO................ As in Homer Simpson voice............DOH!

-Mikey

Yay!!

Wheels man, your smarter then to believe a dealer.....

My friend works at a Subaru dealer and he just got out of a regional meeting. He said they talked about a few things that tickled my fancy:

New Legacy will produce over 300hp with a Turbo'd H6 motor.

Subaru is coming out with an "RX-8" type car 4 door producing 400hp with its TWIN Turbo H6 motor. ( I believe JUN was doing something like this as well )

The 2.5 RS is now going to be renamed the "2.5i" :rolleyes:

The WRX WILL have a 2.5L motor.

No information yet as to what the new Impreza will look like yet as well as the others.

This all sounds so sweet.
But why would Subaru suddenly throw in a turbo H6 engine. Legacy STi maybe?
For some reason, I only believe the 2.5T Impreza engine rumor.

If a 300hp H6T came with the legacy.....it would be my next car.

This all sounds so sweet.
But why would Subaru suddenly throw in a turbo H6 engine. Legacy STi maybe?

You got it! ;)

Sorry failed to mention that. The Turbo'd H6 Legacy WILL be STi.

When will we see these cars? If this is true...

Subaru is coming out with an "RX-8" type car 4 door producing 400hp with its TWIN Turbo H6 motor. ( I believe JUN was doing something like this as well )


*drool*

tell me more about this one...

Subaru is coming out with an "RX-8" type car 4 door producing 400hp with its TWIN Turbo H6 motor. ( I believe JUN was doing something like this as well )




The B11S Concept is the only thing comes to mind...and it did have a twin turbo H6 motor in it ...plus it had suicide doors like the "RX-8"

http://www.autoweek.nl/images/Articles/1451/b10s1.jpg

My friend works at a Subaru dealer and he just got out of a regional meeting. He said they talked about a few things that tickled my fancy:

New Legacy will produce over 300hp with a Turbo'd H6 motor.

Subaru is coming out with an "RX-8" type car 4 door producing 400hp with its TWIN Turbo H6 motor. ( I believe JUN was doing something like this as well )

The 2.5 RS is now going to be renamed the "2.5i" :rolleyes:

The WRX WILL have a 2.5L motor.

No information yet as to what the new Impreza will look like yet as well as the others.

Everything is pretty much correct, except for the B11.... There's no definate answer or time frame on that car, it's still on the boards like the convertable Subaru idea.... And the H6-Turbo will be the Legacy 3.0R, not a Leagcy STi......

See, I'm not crazy..... :p

Another "my dealer told me"" thread :rolleyes:

Another "my dealer told me"" thread :rolleyes:

This was a REGIONAL MEETING bro. No back alley stories here. Believe what you want....

Even if they do release a Leg. 3.0R or STi it will be in the 50K+ price range and then you are in a whole new group of rivals.

Plus I get the feeling from alot of members here price is one of the many things that attract them to Subaru so a 50K+ vehicle might be a little harder of a sell for FHI. I hope it works out though as I would probably be in the market for one in about 5 years.

Even if they do release a Leg. 3.0R or STi it will be in the 50K+ price range and then you are in a whole new group of rivals.

Plus I get the feeling from alot of members here price is one of the many things that attract them to Subaru so a 50K+ vehicle might be a little harder of a sell for FHI. I hope it works out though as I would probably be in the market for one in about 5 years.


Exactly...

for 50K...you playing with the Big Boys...(example: BMW M3)

I am waiting to hear the "dealer/friend who works at the dealer told me they are bringing the R2 and it will be an STi!!!"

Oh also I am waiting to hear about the Baja STi.

I would love it if I was wrong but now there is a rumor that everthing is coming which pretty much makes me feel that nothing is really coming.

I think the US is ready for more higher end econo cars more then trying to squeeze in more luxury/sports sedans.

Where is that USDM R2 STi rumor?

If there is a Legacy STI or a performance version of some kind (turbo H6), I would be very surprised if exceeded $40K---I just don't see Subaru competing in the $50K market. The Legacy GT is a fantastic performer for a fantastic price, and I expect a hot version to be the same-maybe upper 30's at most, where it would destroy the competition for those interested in performance for value.

Even if they do release a Leg. 3.0R or STi it will be in the 50K+ price range and then you are in a whole new group of rivals.

Plus I get the feeling from alot of members here price is one of the many things that attract them to Subaru so a 50K+ vehicle might be a little harder of a sell for FHI. I hope it works out though as I would probably be in the market for one in about 5 years.


:rolleyes: You really should think that one through a bit more. 50K? Not a chance.

Even if they do release a Leg. 3.0R or STi it will be in the 50K+ price range and then you are in a whole new group of rivals.

Plus I get the feeling from alot of members here price is one of the many things that attract them to Subaru so a 50K+ vehicle might be a little harder of a sell for FHI. I hope it works out though as I would probably be in the market for one in about 5 years.


here we go again! Dispite all the undeducated, soaring price predictions on nasioc, the B9 Tribeca ended up being under $40K. A Legacy 3.0R will defnitly not be $50K. Probably the same goes for any Legacy STi.

My turn to throw out wild uneducated guesses: Legacy 3.0R: $32K-$36K Legacy STi: $37K - $41K.

not a personal attack, just my .02

Yes, the RX-8 example, is apparently the BS11, which is nice, and it was supposed to have a tt with over 400 Hp. Nice, and if they make it soon, I'd want one.

The Leg STI would be great, but I have to say if such a car is to come out - A) Subaru isn't stupid and it wouldn't be 50K, and honeslty, I'd pay 40K for the Leg STI if B) it needs more than 300 Hp, you're getting to play with the big boys with that and I would beg for at a minimum be 350, ideally hit 400!

Look at the market, AMG's are over 400 all the time, GTO- 400, next gen SVT 450, Vette 400 and 505 respectively, M5 500 -- come on Subie, give us our monster!!!

Just my opinions and dreams! :D

Look at the market, AMG's are over 400 all the time, GTO- 400, next gen SVT 450, Vette 400 and 505 respectively, M5 500 -- come on Subie, give us our monster!!!

Just my opinions and dreams! :D


All of which are considderably heavier than Subarus with the exception of the vette.

All of which are considderably heavier than Subarus with the exception of the vette.

It doesn't matter. People buy horsepower.

I stand by my original prediction. I hope I am wrong but if you break down where they want to go, and scale the difference in cost of what they have in there other product ranges, and look at there competition and they way they price vehicles it looks like 50K. remember this vehicle will have more then just more HP and badges. Like I said I hope I am wrong as I would like a 40K Legacy3.0R or STi but unfortunately, I won't believe it until a dealer offers it to me at that price.

This B11S:
It would have to meet or beat the Supra's "sexyness". It would need a nice interior with better seats than our STi. And it would have to be priced competitively (under $40K). Only then would it survive our tough automotive market.

what about...

2006 Dodge Charger R/T w/ 5.7-liter HEMI V-8 engine, 340HP & 390 lb ft of torque...for MSRP $29,995, including $675 destination

still no pricing or specs for the 2006 Dodge Charger SRT version...

what about...

2006 Dodge Charger R/T w/ 5.7-liter HEMI V-8 engine, 340HP & 390 lb ft of torque...for MSRP $29,995, including $675 destination

still no pricing or specs for the 2006 Dodge Charger SRT version...
Give me a manual transmission in that Charger, and then I'd buy it.....

Until then, they can stuff it :)

Yes but will the LGT get MP3 playing capabilities? That's one thing I really want to see in the 06.

I already mentioned the Turbo H6 Legacy with 350hp (my dealer said it would be the Legacy STi, and come either mid 06 or 07).

He said he got out of a meeting that said the same thing. Maybe there was a little bit of truth in the dealerspeak.

I already mentioned the Turbo H6 Legacy with 350hp (my dealer said it would be the Legacy STi, and come either mid 06 or 07).

He said he got out of a meeting that said the same thing. Maybe there was a little bit of truth in the dealerspeak.

My friend said they were all told late THIS year or beginning of next for the new Legacy.

It's kind of funny and nerve racking on how subaru is keeping the design and horsepower rating the impreza STI hush, hush. I think Subaru has something major planned for the US market. I bet their looking at this thread right now and figuring out what we want for the impreza. Heard rumor of a WRX "WR", weight reduction. Which will have the 2.5 liter engine and weigh considerably less because it'll be stripped down and cheaper.

My friend said they were all told late THIS year or beginning of next for the new Legacy.
New legacy as in all MY06? That's a big gap from when supposedly the 05 will end production. That and everything else I've heard is july for the 06.


Or are you just saying those dates for this special Legacy STi/3.0R thing?

Subaru announcing a Legacy STi at the Detroit show next January.

Bob

thats interesting,BUT,I have model numbers for the 2006 Forester and according to these there is no such thing as a 2006 Forester STi..........

Sure, for what has been released so far......so it could happen, don't kill our dreams man.............

oh come now, don't make me wait that long...

I don't see a Legacy STi being over 40k either. I'd bet mid to high 30s. Real question is will it be sedan-only :( or wagon as well :banana: ?

any idea if the sti will be released at same time as impreza 2006?

I stand by my original prediction. I hope I am wrong but if you break down where they want to go, and scale the difference in cost of what they have in there other product ranges, and look at there competition and they way they price vehicles it looks like 50K.

i just can't fathom a 20 grand jump from a top of the line legacy gt to a legacy sti or 3.0r.

About a year ago...

Scott Putman placed a suvey on his subaru.net website. The survey was similar to the one here. He asked what powerplant we would like to see in a subaru gt car, a high output na 3.0 a turbo 2.5 or a turbo 3.0. Twin turbo was an option on another question. This seems plausible in '06, not likely. '07 or '08...maybe.

I hope that RX-8/B11S rumor/info is true...

I fell in love with that car at first sight....

RX8 type car with 400 hp would be so AWESOME, I'd get it in a second...
Who is "JUN" ?

If people are buying the ESX STi for 52,000 I dont see why people wont buy the legacy 3.0R. I would sooo buy the legacy over the ESX STi anyday. Has the power and semi-luxury. Plus.... AWD :D

sorry, with the sky rocketing gas price...
and world crude oil running out...
all of these are bad news...
i just want a 40+ mpg awd car... :p
or run on some other type of fuel... :lol:

Yes but will the LGT get MP3 playing capabilities? That's one thing I really want to see in the 06.

Screw that, I have an EMPEG collecting dust because of the retarded audio/climate control stack. Sure, it sounds OK for a stock audio system but it's not packing 120GB of music.

WRX starts at a little under $25k, Legacy GT starts at just over 26k.

Impreza STI starts at a little over 32k, so the Legacy STI will start at over 50k.

Yep, that seems like a well thought out price estimate. :rolleyes:

Screw that, I have an EMPEG collecting dust because of the retarded audio/climate control stack. Sure, it sounds OK for a stock audio system but it's not packing 120GB of music.
It sounds good enough for my needs. Although to match what I have in home audio I'd have to spend thousands, I don't look for the best sound quality in the car. As long as it's decent, can get loud enough with the windows down, and holds up fine then I'm good with it. Now I'd like MP3 playing capability, but I don't have it now and the LGTs audio system sounds better than what my current car has and at least the CD changer is in the dash and not in the back of the car!

Plus I can get the sub or do whatever subly and have some bass too, still the stock was better than my current car.

Ok ladies,
I just got back from the Tribeca Subaru Meeting in Sacramento. This is what they said, but until you see it at your local Subaru Dearlership. Don't believe the hype! The Tribeca is very nice in person.

WRX - 2.5/230hp, Leather Optional. Front and Rear Redesign.
STI - Front & Rear Redesign. New Wing, Who know what this is going to look like.
Legacy STI 400hp on the Tribeca Chassis?
Legacy & Outback - Rear and Front Redesign.
Baja a few more years, Then turning hybrid or alternative?
Navagation only on the GT, H6, Tribeca.
Dropping some of the Impreza Models.

That's it!

Redesigning the legacy/outback? They look great and the current design has only been in the US for a year now. That would be silly!

just bring the damn legacy Sti so i can buy one already...sooner than later...

This was a REGIONAL MEETING bro. No back alley stories here. Believe what you want....

Didn't hear anything about a turbo six or a b11s in my meeting :rolleyes:

Believe at your own risk

I am going to loose my mind!!! Too many Subarus, cant choose!! I am leasing a Legacy temporarily ( traded in my STi ) to pay off a few bills quickly and I need my turbo back!! I sure hope these are true and I hope they come out this year so any STi's not released will make it by 07! I swear I have Subaru buying issues. :) I absolutely hope they give us a limited, light weight version of the STi here, if so I will have one ordered the day I find out.

( I might have to buy a hybrid too though, darn gas prices / 30 mile work commute ) Subaru should do a buy 1 13mpg car get a hybrid half off deal :D